Post by: [oMega] on April 17, 2003, 07:26:00 AM
I mean, its 3 bucks more than a cheapmod, but you get the 1 mb space. It almost sounds too good to be true.
I'm really looking forward for this baby.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 17, 2003, 07:33:00 AM
why
1MB flash is $1.80
256k Flash is $1.25
to build this mod costs around $5-$6
The only reason it is cheap is because you will only have one wholesaler - and that is easybuy
at the end of the day you get what you pay for - not just product but service too
Post by: darylzero on April 17, 2003, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 17, 2003, 08:01:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| The only reason it is cheap is because you will only have one wholesaler - and that is easybuy |
This is true that easybuy is the matrix and chameleon monopoly. It should be marked up as much as the xecuter then shouldn't it.
Since Xecuter has different sellers in competition it stands to reason that they would be in a price cut war with each other and lower their prices, not be in a deadlock. Since the flash chip and pcb and all that only cost 5-6 dollars why don't you tell the resellers to lower the prices? I know you say you don't have any controll over that and who am I to say otherwise but you are the genius behind this chip so there might be some way you could influence that. The next thing you'd probably say is that chameleon doesn't compare to your chip so you don't need to waste your time. Remeber this guy's post. He like many other matrix fanboys are sold on this chip so you can't really sit back and say it's not an issue. You know this deep down in your heart or you wouldn't have wasted your time posting in this thread.
| QUOTE |
| at the end of the day you get what you pay for - not just product but service too |
Well if my xecuter 2 lite has a 1 meg flash and there's nothing about it that's better than chameleon then it's 5-6 bucks to make too. ( It can't be over 10 to make so this can't be that far off. If it is don't get mad at me for being wrong. Be mad at whoever chose such expensive parts... since you know that chameleon is so cheap you shoulda got yours that cheap too.) So let's just say to make profit it's marked up to $20 for the chip itself. That's still like 20 bucks for service. Since this is the case where's my handjob?
The only thing easybuy really does wrong is to let people pre order. If they acted like the chip didn't exist until they have them fully stocked there wouldn't even be an issue.
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 17, 2003, 08:03:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Its an add on to the MAtrix chip. You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself. |
You might want to test your reading for comprehension skills son. You CAN buy this chip by itself. It works as a standalone too.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 17, 2003, 08:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (BCfosheezy @ Apr 17 2003, 04:01 PM) | ||||
How come xecuter lite is like $40 then? They should be about 12-20 dollars because they have just about the same thing as the chameleon.
This is true that easybuy is the matrix and chameleon monopoly. It should be marked up as much as the xecuter then shouldn't it. Since Xecuter has different sellers in competition it stands to reason that they would be in a price cut war with each other and lower their prices, not be in a deadlock. Since the flash chip and pcb and all that only cost 5-6 dollars why don't you tell the resellers to lower the prices? I know you say you don't have any controll over that and who am I to say otherwise but you are the genius behind this chip so there might be some way you could influence that. The next thing you'd probably say is that chameleon doesn't compare to your chip so you don't need to waste your time. Remeber this guy's post. He like many other matrix fanboys are sold on this chip so you can't really sit back and say it's not an issue. You know this deep down in your heart or you wouldn't have wasted your time posting in this thread.
Well if my xecuter 2 lite has a 1 meg flash and there's nothing about it that's better than chameleon then it's 5-6 bucks to make too. ( It can't be over 10 to make so this can't be that far off. If it is don't get mad at me for being wrong. Be mad at whoever chose such expensive parts... since you know that chameleon is so cheap you shoulda got yours that cheap too.) So let's just say to make profit it's marked up to $20 for the chip itself. That's still like 20 bucks for service. Since this is the case where's my handjob? The only thing easybuy really does wrong is to let people pre order. If they acted like the chip didn't exist until they have them fully stocked there wouldn't even be an issue. |
Hi bcfosheezey
Well its $40 cus its worth that for starters - and yes I have no control over what sellers sell for. At the end of the day there are hundreds of sellers - so everyone has the luxory of going to a local dealer - getting fast delivery and great support. i suppose this is also what they pay for.
Sure the price will come down - thats just how any market works. but to have one product tied to one dealer - who really does have the worst pre / current and post sales service is not really a good idea. This isnt my opinion as i dont have anything to do with easybuy - this is the opinion of easybuy customers.
I also didnt compare my product to chameleon. Sure its good with nice features, but you're all debating on something not even tried and tested yet - a little premature perhaps.
you are correct in saying i'm not interested in them at all - i have my own product to deal with. X3 is the ultimate in xbox mod technology and will onve again push development to places not acheived or attempted before. this has been our goal in the past and remains our goal for the future.
the reason i posted here was to show noobs that the difference between 256k and 1mb is virtually nothing. What they should be now asking is - if its nothing why wasnt it 1MB in the first place ? But of course we all know the answer to this.
I look forward to competition - it makes things healthy and pushes new boundries in technology - only one winner at the end of the day and thats you guys
now im outta here - i have new hardware, software and a new bios im in the middle of developing
Post by: Ubergeek on April 17, 2003, 08:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (darylzero @ Apr 17 2003, 04:01 PM) |
| Its an add on to the MAtrix chip. You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself. |
yes you can
you really should read before posting
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 17, 2003, 11:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (darylzero @ Apr 17 2003, 03:01 PM) |
| Its an add on to the MAtrix chip. You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself. |
Yes you can. It can be installed as a stand-alone chip.
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 17, 2003, 11:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 18 2003, 03:15 AM) |
| Ubergeek, While I respect your work immensely I can't say that I always agree with some of your postings. In all honesty, you really can't be objective when posting about a competing chip, so your opinions on any other modchips really need to be taken with a grain of salt. All I can say is that I am happy that Team X-ecuter and the Xodus team are both capable of making such great chips, because we definitely wouldn't have the innovation we have now without the both of you. The X2 Pro is currently the absolute best modchip on the market today. If the Chameleon ever actually does ship then it will be a great alternative to the X2 Pro at half the price. If that spurs a price war or better yet, even more innovation put into the X3, then all the better for the rest of us! Say what you will about Team Xodus, but without them I firmly believe you never would have been pushed to make the X2 as great as it is today, and I also think that the Chameleon will push you into making the X3 the ultimate modchip on the planet, bar none. (Especially if the new features you've been hinting at are what I think they are!) Flagg |
I don't think it could be better put... you've spoken on behalf on a majority of fan base.
Post by: frekkle on April 18, 2003, 03:25:00 AM
Chameleon tops all chips on every angle atm
Price = very cheap
features = everything a user needs and more
installation methods = pin header, wires, direct to LPC, solderless adaptors, matrix piggy back
flash = 1 meg (multi bios) software controllable
all the features are listen on http://www.xodus-chip.com
yes its cheaper
as for the support you get from it, have you guys ever seen the Xodus support?
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 18, 2003, 08:28:00 PM
Ubergeek I hope you know I wasn't trying to flame you.... as a matter of fact I feel so bad I volunteer to beta test any and all of your new stuff...
(bios, or even neXgen) (Easybuy will start nextdaying chips before that happens huh Uber?
)Well anyway... I don't want to piss of that genius behind xecuter.
And oh yeah I'm not really into leaking copies either
Just in case....Everyone that reads this... he's not gonna do it so don't you ask him too... it's gonna turn into a request thread now... damn...
anyway sorry Ubergeek.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 19, 2003, 01:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 18 2003, 04:15 AM) |
| Ubergeek, While I respect your work immensely I can't say that I always agree with some of your postings. In all honesty, you really can't be objective when posting about a competing chip, so your opinions on any other modchips really need to be taken with a grain of salt. All I can say is that I am happy that Team X-ecuter and the Xodus team are both capable of making such great chips, because we definitely wouldn't have the innovation we have now without the both of you. The X2 Pro is currently the absolute best modchip on the market today. If the Chameleon ever actually does ship then it will be a great alternative to the X2 Pro at half the price. If that spurs a price war or better yet, even more innovation put into the X3, then all the better for the rest of us! Say what you will about Team Xodus, but without them I firmly believe you never would have been pushed to make the X2 as great as it is today, and I also think that the Chameleon will push you into making the X3 the ultimate modchip on the planet, bar none. (Especially if the new features you've been hinting at are what I think they are!) Flagg |
Hi Flagg
Firstly thanks for replying
I also appreciatee your comments on X2 PRO - however our development on that had zero to do with matrixx or Team Xodus. This was simply a cheapmod with pogos sso its not like we had aanything to base on really (apart from the pogo adapter of course nut that was sold via public opinion not from a quality point of view - but you all know where I stand with pogos hehe)
The X2 PRO was pushed because of the nice BIOXX design. We simply took their idea of PC programming aand took it further. So its BIOXX that deserves the credit for that one.
and X3 already had all the features of chameleon - they were the easy ones to implement. Its the others that are taking the mosst time for us - its has 2 completely new chipsets that have nothing to do with the flash rom or LPC (well one of them USES the lpc just not for what its currently used for )
I appreciate you saying i cant be objective - but seriousley I do try to be. You have to remember we developed first bios hack, first lpc hack - so itss really everyone elese work that is based on ours - not the other way around, but I suppose it is true that if we were the only ones then we probably wouldnt be working as hard as we are right now - but thats part of the fun I guess
Like ive said before you all win as you get the choice of three great mods on the market (X2, nitroxx, Matrix/Cham). So of course its our job to make ssure we stay ahead of the game - which i'm sure you ddon't mind us ddoing heh
anyway back to work - thanks again for posting - its nice to get quality feedback these days
Post by: Futura on April 21, 2003, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: Lordscr on April 21, 2003, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Apr 20 2003, 08:46 AM) |
| Well I wouldn't call that a fact, but you can call this a fact, the chip isn't shipping yet, so it cannot be the best chip. |
I wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out.
Another thing, I'm sick of hearing ppl slamming ppl and calling them matrix fanboys. Then see the same person saying else where on the board talking up the Xcuter making them selves look like a bigot.
Post by: Mage on April 21, 2003, 12:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Lordscr @ Apr 21 2003, 08:06 AM) | ||
I wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out. Another thing, I'm sick of hearing ppl slamming ppl and calling them matrix fanboys. Then see the same person saying else where on the board talking up the Xcuter making them selves look like a bigot. |
Ah, so you reply here, yet you didn't reply in the other thread that was talking directly TO you.
We all know how you feel about Ubergeek and his people, well if people don't, they should read your first messages on this board.
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 21, 2003, 01:58:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out. Another thing, I'm sick of hearing ppl slamming ppl and calling them matrix fanboys. Then see the same person saying else where on the board talking up the Xcuter making them selves look like a bigot. |
You were referring to me as I'm the one that said that. If you're so pissed off that I call someone a matrix fanboy maybe you should assess the situation a little. If it's true it's true. It's really all in the eyes or ears of the beholder whether they choose to be offended. If they do it is just ignorance on their part on two counts. Firstly because they are too stupid to solder. Secondly because they acknowledged that they are too stupid to solder and spent extra on a matrix and then got pissed when someone stated what they are. Also why would you be upset unless you have a matrix and think it is the best? There is no reason to get the matrix. I have experienced the matrix, cheapmods, xecuter2 lite and enigmah final. All except the enigmah are easier than matrix and the 1 meg flash the the xecuter offers is the best way to go. Don't try to stick up for something when you have no grounds to stand on. Anyone with any kind of sense can solder in a modchip. What's your excuse?
Post by: Ubergeek on April 21, 2003, 04:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kreepa13 @ Apr 21 2003, 04:19 PM) |
| hey ubergeek, i'm a huge fan of your products, you mentioned/hinted a couple of things about the X3, so i have a couple of questions i know its stupid of me to ask them at this stage so i won't be expecting a solid reply for sure. 1. Is the mod going to have a lot of new features? 2. Have you thought about the stealth feature? ( I hope it isn't included cuz i like XBL the way it is) 3. Are we going to see a lot of changes in the prices? 4. Will it be backwards compatible with X2 adaptors? PS: When will the forums be up on your site? Also thx for the X2L contest can't wait to get my mod. |
Im happy to answer these questions
1. Yes
2. No - from our point of view its completely useless
3. Probably - all good
4. Yes and no. We may be ussing more of the LPC points, i'm not 100% sure yet
Forums will be back tomorrow on another server - the gotmod server goes down more than the Titanic movie on auto repeat.
Post by: Lordscr on April 21, 2003, 04:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Apr 21 2003, 07:12 PM) |
| Ah, so you reply here, yet you didn't reply in the other thread that was talking directly TO you. We all know how you feel about Ubergeek and his people, well if people don't, they should read your first messages on this board. |
Sorry Mage I wasn't jumping on you. Your part of the message was
"I wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out."
That's all for Mage, other than I'll look at the other thread that you talking about. (Looked it up) Now that I've seen your other post, what kind of nut job are you.
BCfosheezy,
I wasn't talkin to you personlly, what I was saying you allways hear ppl calling everyone else a Matrix Fanboy, but I never recall hear anyone being called a Xcuter fanboy.
Yes, have a Matrix, at the time I bought it, there was a choice between that or a Open Bioxx or what ever it was called. I think they were the same price but I choose the Matrix because it was shipped within my country.
And finaly why don't you give another look at my post, "calling them matrix fanboys". If I was really upset from what you said, I would have said "us" instead of "them".
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 21, 2003, 06:10:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| And finaly why don't you give another look at my post, "calling them matrix fanboys". If I was really upset from what you said, I would have said "us" instead of "them". |
Not if you didn't want to be classified as a matrix fanboy.... which is exactly what your post was about.
No one says Xecuter fanboy because it's NOT for idiots but the matrix is. If all one has to do is screw something down and move it until the light turns green it would be great. The problem is these inexperienced individuals rave about how great this is when in reality it isn't that much harder to solder and the pogos lead to so many more problems. People who actually solder their modchip and limit many many problems such as unalignment.
If you actually wondered why people say matrix fanboy and not xecuter fanboy you sir, are an unintelligent fool.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 22, 2003, 12:41:00 AM
Post by: MrWizdumb on April 22, 2003, 02:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (darylzero @ Apr 17 2003, 09:01 AM) |
| Its an add on to the MAtrix chip. You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself. |
since this is already been answered like 3 times its my turn to answer....
you can by the chameleon as a standalone modchip
Post by: darylzero on April 23, 2003, 06:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (MrWizdumb @ Apr 22 2003, 04:43 PM) | ||
since this is already been answered like 3 times its my turn to answer.... you can by the chameleon as a standalone modchip |
ok ok ok ok ok. Its a stand alone chip. I thought I read somewhere before it came out that it fit on to the Matrix somehow. Go Chameleon!
Post by: tntomek on April 23, 2003, 07:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (ichpen @ Apr 23 2003, 02:50 PM) | ||
Just got a short and honest email from eb2000. Person said that he/she did not think they would commence shipping on 24th April as stated on their website. I will however give them a 2 day grace period before cancelling my order. |
Would you be able to post their reply maybe? I'm sure this would help in the waiting pain
Post by: tntomek on April 23, 2003, 07:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (ichpen @ Apr 23 2003, 03:07 PM) |
| The reply is pretty much what I said in my earlier post. No names or dates were mentioned. The person referred me to their website for updates. |
Yeehaa not the website
That web admin is probably on coffe 7 hours a day...
Post by: ichpen on April 23, 2003, 08:04:00 AM
So no one is surprised when the date is pushed back again.
Post by: Lordscr on April 23, 2003, 06:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (BCfosheezy @ Apr 22 2003, 01:10 AM) | ||
Not if you didn't want to be classified as a matrix fanboy.... which is exactly what your post was about. No one says Xecuter fanboy because it's NOT for idiots but the matrix is. If all one has to do is screw something down and move it until the light turns green it would be great. The problem is these inexperienced individuals rave about how great this is when in reality it isn't that much harder to solder and the pogos lead to so many more problems. People who actually solder their modchip and limit many many problems such as unalignment. If you actually wondered why people say matrix fanboy and not xecuter fanboy you sir, are an unintelligent fool. |
So youre saying that people with a Matrix Mod chip are Idiots for skipping one of the many steps, no matter the reason of their dessition to purchase a Matrix chip? Does this "Idiot" category include the owners of a Xecuter X2 Lite Plus, or any one that purchased a pogo adaptor to compliment their X2 Lite or X2 Pro?
For the people who rave about the simplicity of the installation, there are many reasons for them to be gratified of the Pogo pin solution. There are the few people who have a low intelligence level, not to be able to do the soldering job them selves. There're also the people who are intimidated by electronics and the Pogo pins a good means for them to do it them selves and increase their confidence. Then there is a group that do not own, or have access to a soldering iron and the extra cost of Pogo pins is justified.
Hey, some people have different skill and abilities, but there is little skill required to install a mod chip, be it a Matrix or a Xecuter. The real difficulty is in the steps afterwards, like installing a larger HDD, setting up E-vox, or XBMP, and Emulators, learning how to burn a DVD, and flashing the chip with a newer bios.
All the things in the above list are common problem I read in this forum all the time and they affect any one no matter what chip they may have. In reality you cant call the individuals from a picticular camp Idiots since there are Idiots from all of the camps.
I trust you will recant your unintelligent fool statement Sir.
Post by: BCfosheezy on August 22, 2003, 06:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lordscr @ Apr 23 2003, 09:21 PM) | ||||
So youre saying that people with a Matrix Mod chip are Idiots for skipping one of the many steps, no matter the reason of their dessition to purchase a Matrix chip? Does this "Idiot" category include the owners of a Xecuter X2 Lite Plus, or any one that purchased a pogo adaptor to compliment their X2 Lite or X2 Pro? For the people who rave about the simplicity of the installation, there are many reasons for them to be gratified of the Pogo pin solution. There are the few people who have a low intelligence level, not to be able to do the soldering job them selves. There're also the people who are intimidated by electronics and the Pogo pins a good means for them to do it them selves and increase their confidence. Then there is a group that do not own, or have access to a soldering iron and the extra cost of Pogo pins is justified. Hey, some people have different skill and abilities, but there is little skill required to install a mod chip, be it a Matrix or a Xecuter. The real difficulty is in the steps afterwards, like installing a larger HDD, setting up E-vox, or XBMP, and Emulators, learning how to burn a DVD, and flashing the chip with a newer bios. All the things in the above list are common problem I read in this forum all the time and they affect any one no matter what chip they may have. In reality you cant call the individuals from a picticular camp Idiots since there are Idiots from all of the camps. I trust you will recant your unintelligent fool statement Sir. |
No I don't "recant" my statement because it holds true.
| QUOTE |
| Does this "Idiot" category include the owners of a Xecuter X2 Lite Plus, or any one that purchased a pogo adaptor to compliment their X2 Lite or X2 Pro? |
ABSOLUTELY!
| QUOTE |
| For the people who rave about the simplicity of the installation, there are many reasons for them to be gratified of the Pogo pin solution. There are the few people who have a low intelligence level, not to be able to do the soldering job them selves. There're also the people who are intimidated by electronics and the Pogo pins a good means for them to do it them selves and increase their confidence. Then there is a group that do not own, or have access to a soldering iron and the extra cost of Pogo pins is justified. |
While I'm certain that there are people that do not have access to the skills or the equipment necessary to solder a chip in, it is in their best interest to find a way to get the chip soldered or just not do it. I had a no-solder matrix for about 3 months. That is why I take this strong anti-pogo stance. I hated every second of it. Sitting still it would misalign. I have no idea how. Also, I take my xbox everywhere so pogos would never do. I have found if you are going to have a matrix then you must still be willing to solder to ensure your chip does not become misaligned.... defeating the purpose of your no-solder chip. In reality there is no substitute for a tsop flash or chip because as long as you don't have a bad flash there's not much that can go wrong.
ANALOGY:
I don't have the money to get my new favorite cd. My alternative is to have my friend sing it to me. I choose neither until I can afford the cd. (piracy is not an option in this case)
Try out this analogy to see my point.
Post by: rzyzzy on August 22, 2003, 10:43:00 PM
it was interesting to see some of these opinions, after the chip has been out for awhile though...