Post by: frekkle on March 30, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
Its black and packed with stuff! (does it change colour) ? hehe
It looks great and has 3 ways of installation
Pin header
LPC points solder (directly to the board)
Matrix no solder addon
And this software control... if i understand correctly, the user can change modes from the dashboard? also controll A15 and D0 for Tsop flashing...
here are the pics...
That logo is awesome
Good work Xodus Team
Post by: majik655 on March 30, 2003, 12:50:00 PM
I mean I flash tsop's and know what the D0 is.. don't quite understand what the A15 is ?
and basically a wire going from those points on chip to board ??
Post by: Shafted! on March 30, 2003, 01:18:00 PM
I hope it sits firmly on the matrix, and it actually works!
Post by: Marmite on March 30, 2003, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: danny.R on March 30, 2003, 03:05:00 PM
i am gonna get one of these and flash my tsop back to an MS bios (long story here)
and use it as a stand alone mod
I am really curious to find out how the Software Control will work.
I know it must be in the dash somewhere like a menu or a config file
it all sounds sweet
Post by: Shafted! on March 30, 2003, 04:02:00 PM
How would you go about switching between bios' using the chameleon? Will we use software or external switches?
Argh, i wish there were more details.
Post by: BenJeremy on March 30, 2003, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Kreepa13 on March 30, 2003, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: DizzyT on March 30, 2003, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Trailer Trash on March 30, 2003, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: nautiazn85 on March 30, 2003, 08:28:00 PM
The trick will be... will we have to buy a matrix programmer in order to program this thing? Or will Team-Xodus begin selling programmers seperately?
Post by: Ubergeek on March 31, 2003, 12:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (Kreepa13 @ Mar 31 2003, 03:02 AM) |
| oh so it will be sort of like x-ecuter v1.1 like the soldering part, i wonder why team x-ecuter didn't use that as an adapter. |
because of hundreds of complaints of how bad it actually was for noobs (if screwed up - basically you were screwed as it was almost impossible to remove)
funny thing is most complaints were from these forums
and now everyone is saying ooo look its great hehehe - I wonder how many Xecuter 1.0 / 1.1 bashers will be saying how good it is lol
been there done it - learnt from mistakes and moved on
if you think this mod is good (nothing new of course - playing catchup to x2 pro and nitroxx) - wait till you see whats cooking right now
Post by: slamer on March 31, 2003, 12:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek Posted on Mar 31 2003 @ 10:16 AM ) |
| if you think this mod is good (nothing new of course - playing catchup to x2 pro and nitroxx) - wait till you see whats cooking right now |
whats that smell?
Do i smell CHIPWARS
Post by: Zerach on March 31, 2003, 01:01:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| The trick will be... will we have to buy a matrix programmer in order to program this thing? Or will Team-Xodus begin selling programmers seperately? |
nautiazn85, If you have a matrix already it's the same controller (you'd get an extra one!). I'd assume that if you bought it as a standalone they'd include the programmer.
| QUOTE |
| So I will be able to just put this on my matrix now and use bigger bioses? It's a shame thier isnt a switch to add like on the X2's so you can turn your chip off |
Yes, Trailer Trash. Bigger better BIOS. I believe you will be able to do this VIA software control (turn off and on the Cameleon).
Anyone take note of the controller port!? Very X2 like. I wonder if it will come with an external adaptor. Anyone care to wager on what software it uses? Possibly Exectuor software? looks like the same interface so....maybe.
I would not say this is catch up to X2, more exceed it, with a programmable controller, software controllable DIP switch and D0 and A15 software control!!!! This chip is going to Rock!!!
Post by: frekkle on March 31, 2003, 06:23:00 AM
The fact that there are many ways to install this chip is good.
When I get mine i will post a full review with pics and stuff
Post by: bracky on March 31, 2003, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: XB0X_Mod on March 31, 2003, 10:11:00 AM
Plus why do you need the programmer now *hint hint* I mean that's if you bought it seperatly
Post by: Ubergeek on March 31, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (XB0X_Mod @ Mar 31 2003, 07:11 PM) |
| Heh... well lets say that it can? Plus why do you need the programmer now *hint hint* I mean that's if you bought it seperatly |
hehe
Post by: Ubergeek on March 31, 2003, 10:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (Zerach @ Mar 31 2003, 10:01 AM) |
| I would not say this is catch up to X2, more exceed it, with a programmable controller, software controllable DIP switch and D0 and A15 software control!!!! This chip is going to Rock!!! |
window dressing
- to control d0 and a15 is done with ease anyway. So to say its exceeding X2 is wrong - its basically copied what it does now (nitroxx also) and ported over the same d0 timing functions as before - nothing really new (except this stealth but it remains to be seen if thats worth more than a fancy description - I hope it is, always good to see new work)you freak that its gonna rock etc etc - well why when its features youve had access to for 4 months already ? (im not bashing hehe just trying to see where your excitment is coming from)
like I said before there is much cooking right now - that is NOTHING like ANY mod available - there will be a bios option that is hardware based also - ill say no more than that
then you can get excited
Post by: Ubergeek on March 31, 2003, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (slamer @ Mar 31 2003, 09:50 AM) | ||
whats that smell? Do i smell CHIPWARS |
hehehe was just having a cheap dig
Post by: davidhes on March 31, 2003, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on March 31, 2003, 11:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (davidhes @ Mar 31 2003, 03:55 PM) |
| Hey ubergeek is this new bios mod gonna be 256kb, 512, or 1meg. I really want it 2 be 256kb as i have only the matrix i now there is now the chameleon as is this whole thread but I cant afford to go and pay another $50 australian for a chip and get it sent over. so think about all the poor 256k users when developing it, possibly a base model for us? thanks keep up the great work. |
They have a 'base model' for you 256k users... "4976.02" is only 256k.
Do **NOT** expect the whiz-bang features of the next 'big' release to fit in 256k. You were all warned months ago.
Post by: Ubergeek on March 31, 2003, 01:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kreepa13 @ Mar 31 2003, 09:04 PM) |
| hey ubergeek, lets say you release another product like x3 (just assume) will it be able to work with the current wires adapter like all we will have to do is take out either of the x2 and just plug in the new mod? |
yes and no
it will use the same wires as before - however we've discovered some new suff using more of the LPCpins
it'll be little effort anyway to swap - but yes we will be encorporating an adpter to be "backwards compatible"
davidhes:
I an assure you the next big release will be based on 512k. However with X2 lite / Pro / NITROXX and now Chameleon you ave many options available to you (if you want the added features of course)
thats whats great about his scene LOTS of choice
Post by: echto on March 31, 2003, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: theultimatechuff on March 31, 2003, 02:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Mar 31 2003, 10:33 PM) | ||
yes and no it will use the same wires as before - however we've discovered some new suff using more of the LPCpins it'll be little effort anyway to swap - but yes we will be encorporating an adpter to be "backwards compatible" davidhes: I an assure you the next big release will be based on 512k. However with X2 lite / Pro / NITROXX and now Chameleon you ave many options available to you (if you want the added features of course) thats whats great about his scene LOTS of choice |
Would hate to have seen that before the edits
.Seriously though good job all round, looking forward to seeing what the future brings.
Post by: eug2k on March 31, 2003, 03:05:00 PM
EDIT: [nevermind 2 \ make a \]
Post by: Zerach on March 31, 2003, 04:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Mar 31 2003, 07:29 PM) | ||
window dressing - to control d0 and a15 is done with ease anyway. So to say its exceeding X2 is wrong - its basically copied what it does now (nitroxx also) and ported over the same d0 timing functions as before - nothing really new (except this stealth but it remains to be seen if thats worth more than a fancy description - I hope it is, always good to see new work)you freak that its gonna rock etc etc - well why when its features youve had access to for 4 months already ? (im not bashing hehe just trying to see where your excitment is coming from) like I said before there is much cooking right now - that is NOTHING like ANY mod available - there will be a bios option that is hardware based also - ill say no more than that then you can get excited |
Well mainly my excitement comes with getting these features in general, I've been reading a lot doing my research and I purchased the matrix in combo with cameleon, just waiting for it all to arrive.
The stealth mode, I believe is going to sit on a layer hidden to the system which allows for the D0 disableenable software control.
Ubergeek, you've already said too much. Sounds like this mod may extend functionality beyond just a mod, perhaps turning the xbox in to a full blown ATX motherboard or built in remote control?
Post by: XB0X_Mod on March 31, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
not seen you around here much Yes, The chemeleon I think will be an excellant leep for new ideas and inovations, i totally agree with you on the dig part, but to be honest the chemeleon does offer a few more options such as stealth, expansion ports, A15. etc
A15 on x2? I am not sure cause i dont have x2 pro... but still I think it is an excellant modchip.
I think alot of people will get the x-ecuter 2 pro still maybe because they think the x2 pro is more expensive and say its better because of the price, but then again I think if the chemeleon really does punch the bag hard enough the chemeleon could open alot of new scene experiances and new doors to future mod's, what i do like on the nitroxx is that damn digital output brilliant! (purely needed for minidisc or mp3
) stuff like that is just HANDY
Post by: Zerach on March 31, 2003, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 12:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (Kreepa13 @ Mar 31 2003, 11:21 PM) |
| @Ubergeek "it will use the same wires as before - however we've discovered some new suff using more of the LPCpins " sorry about this i know its too early to ask but could you just explain a little more like what exactly do you mean using more lpc and for what or should i not worry about future compatibililty even if i got my mod installed by someone else. |
I think we all try to make the mods as intercompatible as possible (well i know we do - but im sure matrix and nitroxx would have the same attitude).
Its good all three of us are trying to improve - the best thing about our next project iss that there are features not even thought of yet plus anything we havent thought of and produced by another team - will simply be added
Personally im hoping for a new xbox with a ccompletely different system required to hack - its getting boring now hehe
Post by: nasis x. on April 01, 2003, 03:51:00 AM
that the only good think that I noticed in this new mod,
is that it uses 3.3V instead of 5V that x2 and BiosX are currently using, for their 1Mb modchip!
Of course you are not able yet to understand what are the diference between 3.3V and 5V chips,
but as long as GRmods advanced systems are compatible with all LPC modchips arround,
and we are using the Plug&Hack technology easier than all our competitors does
we can tell you that 3.3V chips is the right way to go!
Now about the installation of Chameleon,
there is nothing new than cheapmods Pin Header way,
while if you use it like matrix add-on,
then you have to do with misalignement of pogo pins,
that is also limited only for V1.0 and V1.1 consoles.
Also I would like to tell you that Chameleon do not include a programmer,
and for this reason it can be used only as a add on to matrix,
using matrix programmer...
In conclusion the only revolutionary thing about Chameleon is the 3.3V,
while it has a normal price for its limited use.
Of course if you chose to use X-elixis Basic kit, that includes X-elixis Programmer,
you can install Chameleon and X2 and all other LPC modchips,
in all versions ,including the newest V1.2,with Plug&Play actions
while you can program/recover Chameleon for your anlimited upgrades!
No PC and extra programmer is needed, as all can be done with X-elixis Basic and EvoX!
Finally we would like to congratulate Chameleon for using black colour pcbs,
and we hope that we have helped console hacking scene,
when we first introduced the black coloured pcbs with lusifer full...
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 06:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 1 2003, 12:51 PM) |
| Ok, as I look closely chameleom I have to say, that the only good think that I noticed in this new mod, is that it uses 3.3V instead of 5V that x2 and BiosX are currently using, for their 1Mb modchip! |
you are so stupid that it isnt even funny
the xbox itself uses 5v for its flash rom
I think you are confused between PS2 and XBOX when you talk about supply voltages
go back to electronics school (if you ever went there)
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 1 2003, 12:51 PM) |
| and we hope that we have helped console hacking scene, when we first introduced the black coloured pcbs with lusifer full... |
You gotta be kidding me right ?
Post by: nasis x. on April 01, 2003, 06:53:00 AM
cause I guess that you don't have big experience of Plug&Hacking...
Xbox is using 5V chip after a lot of development and many tests that comes from PC.
By using 5V chips and trying to Plug&Hack or HotSwap or align modchips,
you run the risk of burning the Nvidia chip.
For more info check on xecuter homepage...
Chameleon though, looks that it is a 3.3V voltage 1 Mb modchip,
and this is the most inovating feature that I can see in this new mod.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 09:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 1 2003, 03:53 PM) |
| I didn't expect you to understand, cause I guess that you don't have big experience of Plug&Hacking... For more info check on xecuter homepage... Chameleon though, looks that it is a 3.3V voltage 1 Mb modchip, and this is the most inovating feature that I can see in this new mod. |
hahahahahahahah
and you say using an LV flash rom is innovate ?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fed ex me some of that acid you are on
Post by: BenJeremy on April 01, 2003, 10:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (bracky @ Apr 1 2003, 02:23 PM) |
| People are always slamming nasis x but I think he makes a good product and does a great job of promoting it. His chip sure works better than the one I developed. Better than the ones you all developed also |
Ummmmm..... no.
Nasis x. makes a custom cheap mod with funky connectors. Apparently it's 3D. That's it. How is a 256k mod better than a 1MB mod?
Post by: Kreepa13 on April 01, 2003, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: bracky on April 01, 2003, 01:22:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ummmmm..... no. Nasis x. makes a custom cheap mod with funky connectors. Apparently it's 3D. That's it. How is a 256k mod better than a 1MB mod? |
I didn't say his chip was better. I just said quit bashing him unless you have made a better chip yourself. Just like I would tell someone not to bash you and your work until they have come up with something better.
Post by: BenJeremy on April 01, 2003, 01:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (bracky @ Apr 1 2003, 05:22 PM) | ||
I didn't say his chip was better. I just said quit bashing him unless you have made a better chip yourself. Just like I would tell someone not to bash you and your work until they have come up with something better. |
Ubergeek DID develop a better chip. Ever heard of the Xecutor and Xecutor2 series of chips?
I'm a software developer helping make the Xbox a friendlier place for users like yourself, and I've even contributed (in the form of advice, or perhaps begging and pleading) to a feature or two implimented in some chips.
I guess you must be one of the clueless?
(Don't take it too personally.... but berating people for not being contributors around here is like stepping through a minefield)
Post by: spIdeZ on April 01, 2003, 01:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (Shafted! @ Apr 1 2003, 10:39 PM) | ||||
I don't know who is Ubergeek, sounds as if he is someone important. Details? |
He's the head man behind Xecutor.
Post by: bracky on April 01, 2003, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 02:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (bracky @ Apr 1 2003, 11:06 PM) |
| Obviously you can't read Ben. But I guess I should expect that from someone that idolizes a male porn star. |
I can assure you he reads a little better than you do
j/k
now play nice kiddies
PS dont disss Ron Jeremy - hes a god to all you fat ugly cunts out there
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 1 2003, 10:29 PM) |
| and I've even contributed (in the form of advice, or perhaps begging and pleading) to a feature or two implimented in some chips. |
I can 100% verify that this is correct
I still have the stains on my bedsheets
Post by: Ubergeek on April 01, 2003, 02:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kreepa13 @ Apr 1 2003, 09:45 PM) |
| i've heard about this 3.3 v and 5 v issues once at x-ecuter forums where this guy said x2 pogos have been frying more xboxs than than the matrix because x2 pogo or something has something to do with 5 v and matrix something has something to do with 3.3v. and since its 5v for x2 it fried all those xboxs. all that something crap doesn't make sense but the guy who explained it got kinda technical and i can't remember cuz it was a long time ago. not bashing any products i am and will alwayz be an x-ecuter fan. |
yes because they fit it the wrong way around and our 5v connection would contact with a data connection
but if you actually follow the instructions instead of rushing this would NEVER happen
but of course the installer is never at fault and xecuter sucks ass big time hehehe
im so used to it now that its comedy to me
Post by: Wesly on April 01, 2003, 04:36:00 PM
) come with better chips as you did before instead of just bashing the competition (like i said before,...the competition deserves just as much support as you guys)
Post by: Kreepa13 on April 01, 2003, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 02, 2003, 12:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (xrayz @ Apr 1 2003, 08:57 PM) |
| But its not only that, Software Control = control the Modes on the chip to boot via different banks and use them without changing dip switches all the time. |
of course thsi is also a feature of x2 pro and has been from day one
you've not used it yet ?
Post by: Ubergeek on April 02, 2003, 12:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (Wesly @ Apr 2 2003, 01:36 AM) |
| I find the posts of Ubergeek interesting in this thread. It very much looks like he's fearing the new generation mods (mostly of his concurrent Xodus). Ofcourse this isn't true,..but it sure looks like it. In this Xodus Chameleon thread he comes talking about the new revolutionary hardware features he has planned and wonders why people are so excited over this chip as he states that this chip isn't any better than his latest X2 (almost bashing an unreleased product). Well it's clear that this chip has a few features X2 doesn't have (at the moment); can you name a few features the X2 has over the Chameleon-chip ? I very much appreciate the work of the X-ecuter Team in the scene (from everyone in the scene you may have contributed the most important work), but i'm glad the scene doesn't depend on only the X-ecuter guys as there are a lot of people (like EvolutionX team in cooperation with Xodus) who want to do things you don't want to (like Xbox-live and backups; still very popular request among users) and i think these guys should get just as much support (instead of bashing). If you really want to win this mod-war (looking at the latest mod-introductions/developments, your presence in this thread and the latest price change confirm that this war is indeed reality ) come with better chips as you did before instead of just bashing the competition (like i said before,...the competition deserves just as much support as you guys) |
1. no we're not worried - after all most work is based on our original development anyway - its nice to see it progress
2. no im not bashing - if you notice they are just tongue in cheek playful digs - all of our software support all mods out there and also our new hardware too
3. any team who touches xbox live will KILL xbox live. There is a particular kind of user who absolutley dont want it touched - and theres the other kind of user that does - it all comes down to cheap and free games - it has nothing to do with enjoying the real experience of XBL - and that is uninhibited online gameplay (no cheating etc). You get enough free gameplay as it is - XBL should be left alone.
4. I have absolutley nothing to do with price changes. I have nothing to do with sales - this is the job of the retailer. They can sell them for whatever cost they like, at the end of the day the Xecuter brand iss built on quality and reliability and always with a promise to deliver with support from the original team itself - not having to rely on 3rd parties.
I hope this answers some of your points - I am doing my best to answer questions personally
Post by: nasis x. on April 02, 2003, 02:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 2 2003, 09:47 AM) |
1. no we're not worried - after all most work is based on our original development anyway - its nice to see it progress |
X2 original development includes:
1. BiosXX: The 1st LPC modchip has been COPYED and released under Xecuter2 name.
2. Pogo pins: After a lot of flaming to Matrix modchip for misalignements,
Xecuter decided to COPY Matrix Pogo Pins installation by releasing 2 products,
with lower quality on a high voltage (5V) chip, that is not recomended for ScH.
3. Pin Header: After the new LPC bus in V1.1 Xbox, with removed soldering inside the holes,
Xecuter decided to COPY cheapmods pin header installation.
4. Wires: Xecuter2 has introduced to Xbox Hacking scene, their ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT!
----------------------> WIRES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For all X2 users who want to through away all these fancy wires in the garbage,
be compatible with Cheapmods and feel the power of X-elixis Plug&Hack installation,
do the following fix to X2 Lite/Pro and build X-elixis LPC clone!
Post by: smokeingit on April 02, 2003, 02:29:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 02, 2003, 02:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 2 2003, 11:17 AM) | ||
X2 original development includes: 1. BiosXX: The 1st LPC modchip has been COPYED and released under Xecuter2 name. 2. Pogo pins: After a lot of flaming to Matrix modchip for misalignements, Xecuter decided to COPY Matrix Pogo Pins installation by releasing 2 products, with lower quality on a high voltage (5V) chip, that is not recomended for ScH. 3. Pin Header: After the new LPC bus in V1.1 Xbox, with removed soldering inside the holes, Xecuter decided to COPY cheapmods pin header installation. 4. Wires: Xecuter2 has introduced to Xbox Hacking scene, their ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT! ----------------------> WIRES !!!!!!!!!!!!!! For all X2 users who want to through away all these fancy wires in the garbage, be compatible with Cheapmods and feel the power of X-elixis Plug&Hack installation, do the following fix to X2 Lite/Pro and build X-elixis LPC clone! |
1. Xecuter 1.0 / 1.1 was the first lpc modchip - not bioxx (bioxx was the first PC programmable device) - X2 PRO was also the first multi bios (256 / 512 / 1mb) switchable mod - so im interested in how we copied anything ?
2. Pogos suck - I still say it to this day. Yes matrix introduced them and that has helped many who dont like soldering. Whats your point ?
3. Xecuter came months before any cheapmod
4. Oh and of course we cracked the xbox originally with a couple of gd5k freinds
- lets not forget that small bit that we introduced to the scenego away nasis x - you're an idiot. Its hilarious that you talk about people copying other people work. Your entire business has always been based on that right through the psx / ps2 early days.
when you actually develop something original - come back to me and talk. Till then stop spamming the place with your bullshit 3D marketing.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 02, 2003, 02:46:00 AM
Post by: davidhes on April 02, 2003, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Now these are the words of a wise man! I couldn't agree more. XBL is a great service and mods shouldn't make it possible to play online with the mod / backups. It'll kill live and the xbox in the end. |
These 2 posts i totally agree with also, the only people who want live to be hacked are people who are purely pirates! And dont want to have to pay for any games, dont make up some excuse saying ohh i need to back them up its not true you just wanna play cheap burnt games on live! The whole construction of the modchip for the xbox i thought was to allow normal people to creat software for the xbox not destroy it by just using it to burn games!
Post by: Kreepa13 on April 02, 2003, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: frekkle on April 02, 2003, 03:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 2 2003, 08:43 AM) | ||
of course thsi is also a feature of x2 pro and has been from day one you've not used it yet ? |
Erm???
Since when Did X2 have software control of modes?
or even changing modes without having to get up?
someone here has been having alittle more to drink!
Post by: BenJeremy on April 02, 2003, 03:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (frekkle @ Apr 2 2003, 07:08 PM) | ||||
Erm??? Since when Did X2 have software control of modes? or even changing modes without having to get up? someone here has been having alittle more to drink! |
Um, X2 **has** had this feature from day one.
I can't find the documentation on this at the moment, but you can pick the bank via LPT cable, I think.
Post by: smokeingit on April 02, 2003, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 03, 2003, 02:02:00 AM
and so on
we're currently intergrating this into xecuter bios manager along with the lite programmer support
the mod has been software controllable all this time
of course future versions will be controlled by remote / xbe / other things
Post by: frekkle on April 03, 2003, 04:25:00 AM
Xodus Chameleons Software Control from the XBOX
not a cable or external DOS app.
They mean using your xpad controller to select options from the dash
and have effect on the actual chip.
I sent them an info request and they said that all the relevant info
will be posted on their site in the following days to clarify what
people didnt understand on this and more subjects.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 03, 2003, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 03, 2003, 08:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (frekkle @ Apr 3 2003, 01:25 PM) |
| well yes the future holds and awaits Xodus Chameleons Software Control from the XBOX not a cable or external DOS app. They mean using your xpad controller to select options from the dash and have effect on the actual chip. I sent them an info request and they said that all the relevant info will be posted on their site in the following days to clarify what people didnt understand on this and more subjects. |
yes this seems the way to go
of course our software controlled app is 3 months old so its obviousley out of date and the obvious progression is xbe controlled switching.
tbh we're concentrating on a completely new hardware/software feature which hasn't been produced by anyone yet. When thats finished we will of course implement even more tasty features.
Post by: frekkle on April 03, 2003, 05:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 3 2003, 04:27 PM) | ||
yes this seems the way to go of course our software controlled app is 3 months old so its obviousley out of date and the obvious progression is xbe controlled switching. tbh we're concentrating on a completely new hardware/software feature which hasn't been produced by anyone yet. When thats finished we will of course implement even more tasty features. |
so its an iternal wait for who makes the newest stuff...
Post by: frekkle on April 04, 2003, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on April 04, 2003, 11:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (frekkle @ Apr 4 2003, 02:30 AM) | ||||
so its an iternal wait for who makes the newest stuff... |
well the easy solution is: if you are tired of waiting for the latest stuff
make it yourself
Post by: frekkle on April 05, 2003, 11:32:00 AM
Team releases and real features are what make people buy,
not a piece of plastic marketed like a wonderchip.
Post by: EvilWays on April 05, 2003, 01:33:00 PM
Say it with me now kiddies..."Competition is good!" (Something M$ doesn't like to partake in...)
I don't care which modchip is the "best" (emphasis on the double quotes, cuz there's no way to generally define best)...just as long as the modchip is of fine quality, does what it needs to, adds features, yet STILL doesn't let those $5 game "backup" whores off of XBL (fucking cheapskates...).
I see this as nothing more than something similar to the nVidia vs. ATi wars...let Team Xodus and Team Xecuter talk smack, it's invigoration for innovation (just leave out any bashing, please).
Post by: frekkle on April 05, 2003, 05:05:00 PM
at the end of the day, the user decides what is best for him.
Post by: Samara on April 06, 2003, 08:52:00 PM
I have real doubts about how you could even turn the mod off entirely through the dashboard and then somehow run unsigned code to reactivate the modchip. Seems really really fishy to me. And if you've ever actually read the Xodus web site it's kind of hard to maintain optimism about a US based team that can't even speak the English language.
Besides Xodus has never done anything besides hardware. The Matrix is a cheapmod ripoff and even this new chip's solder method is a throwback to the original Xecuter v1 design (which was dropped in favor of better solutions). Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that Xodus and Evox are the same team Xecuter still kicks the living shit out of them. The latest Xecutor bios release 4976.02 as well as the chips they provide to run it on are a glowing testament to who is really the juggernaut in the scene.
In conclusion: The term 'competition' should be used very very lightly when speaking Xodus vs Xecuter, they are a team of imitators not innovators and until they prove otherwise they are worthy of nothing more than outright skepticism. I'm not saying that they can't prove me wrong and blow me away - I'm just saying I don't see it happening.
Post by: clold on April 07, 2003, 08:24:00 AM
It would be trivial to force the controller chip to verify a user-set password before entering programing mode. Without any 3rd party software knowing the control sequence to send the chip, no harm could come to it.
The bigger question here is why worry about this sort of anti-mod attack? If game developers are going to get nasty, why isn't there any code being used to detect such things as a larger HD and then wipe the contents of the drive? That's a far more dastardly approach that would hit more users, not just Chameleon folk.
Post by: ravencry on April 07, 2003, 09:51:00 AM
bashing an unreleased product has always been the story arround here.
Why dont u guys wait and see a final product before you speculate?
Post by: ZildjianKX on April 07, 2003, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on April 07, 2003, 10:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (ZildjianKX @ Apr 7 2003, 01:44 PM) |
| Hey Ubergeek, an hints on what the X3 may bring? In my eyes the X2 Pro is the perfect modchip, so I'm really curious |
Maybe they're finally releasing it in "3D"
Post by: Kreepa13 on April 07, 2003, 12:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (ZildjianKX @ Apr 7 2003, 05:44 PM) |
| Hey Ubergeek, an hints on what the X3 may bring? In my eyes the X2 Pro is the perfect modchip, so I'm really curious |
if there is a x3 i would imagine crazy features but also hope it uses the same wires adapter as x2s
Post by: stealthdemon on April 07, 2003, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: frekkle on April 07, 2003, 05:26:00 PM
Go it from the main page
Post by: Mage on April 07, 2003, 06:08:00 PM
But to each their own.
I don't see upgrading to a matrix since the x2 pro can do everything it can do, and they still have yet to release any facts on their site related to how the chip will function.
I'm interested to see what you have to do when you do a 1MB flash and all banks are messed up.
If you do indeed have to open your xbox up to flash it in such a situation, it is inferior to the x2 pro in my opinion.
Post by: frekkle on April 07, 2003, 06:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (Shafted! @ Apr 8 2003, 12:28 AM) |
| The software video looks bad ass, but here is my question: Is there a mode similar to mode 3 (eject=off) that allows for both the abilty to turn the mod chip off and the ability to flash the modchip? |
we dont know yet,
we have to wait and see
Post by: scriptking on April 07, 2003, 06:23:00 PM
I already have a matrix (yes i am a noob). What will the chameleon give me? I still run the evox 2.5 bios. it runs everything fine. I know about the 4 slots and all....but why do i need that? isn't one bios enough?
Are the newer bioses bigger...and if so...what will they have (features?) that i would need to buy a chameleon?
Just wondering why I should/should not upgrade
Post by: Shafted! on April 07, 2003, 06:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (scriptking @ Apr 8 2003, 02:23 AM) |
| Ok. I already have a matrix (yes i am a noob). What will the chameleon give me? I still run the evox 2.5 bios. it runs everything fine. I know about the 4 slots and all....but why do i need that? isn't one bios enough? Are the newer bioses bigger...and if so...what will they have (features?) that i would need to buy a chameleon? Just wondering why I should/should not upgrade |
Yes, new bios' will be bigger, prob 512k.
That's why i'm getting the chameleon for my matrix.
Post by: 9t9 on April 07, 2003, 07:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Solderless Adaptor (pure matrix add-on no soldering required) Mode 1 1x1Meg Mode 2 2x512k Introducing Mode2.5 2x512k with STEALTH TECHNOLOGY Mode 3 4x256k Mode 4 1x256k (+1x512k software selectable) Plus modes 1-3 of original Matrix still apply |
on the easybuy site
Post by: Samara on April 07, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
.Buy an X2 - you can have it right now and there's nothing worth waiting for in Chameleon. The sole exception is if you are already a Matrix owner, then it might be a good option in a few months or whenever it actually starts shipping.
Post by: frekkle on April 08, 2003, 03:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (Samara @ Apr 8 2003, 04:53 AM) |
| Are you guys honestly switching BIOS's that often that you can sit there watching this video and think without laughing "Wow, what a useful feature." Hell even in this very thread we see posts from numerous Matrix users who are still using EvoX 2.5. What exactly is their target market? It's a cute feature to be sure but there are some serious questions that need to be answered. Can you recover from a bad flash without removing the chip? What if you solder it directly to the board using the outdated and idiotic method they provide? So here's the Chameleon in a nutshell. -Offers _nothing_ new over the x2 aside from a novelty that close to 100% of us wouldn't use nearly enough to justify -Has no external programmer, no flash protect switch, no mod disable switch -It's not out, there's no estimate, and even when it is... -You will have to deal with easybuy2000 in some fashion in order to get it That last reason alone is almost enough to make me want to run like hell. But it does have a software controllable LED which I'm sure homebrew developers are just salivating to make use of .Buy an X2 - you can have it right now and there's nothing worth waiting for in Chameleon. The sole exception is if you are already a Matrix owner, then it might be a good option in a few months or whenever it actually starts shipping. |
what are you talking about?
stop speculating on stuff u dont know...
a paid X2 add would have said less
quit the bashing, if you dont like it then dont buy it
all of us who are getting one are doing so for our xbox, not yours
Post by: Ubergeek on April 08, 2003, 03:27:00 AM
Props to Xodus & EvoX
(PS I have to agree with frekkle's post before this one)
Post by: frekkle on April 08, 2003, 04:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 8 2003, 10:27 AM) |
| I like the bios select feature via XBE Its a little similar to our new one To be honest its actually not that hard to do - we implemented this already thru LPT - XBE was obviousley the next progression Its not hard to do all these new features - its hard to think of new features to add in the first place hehe Props to Xodus & EvoX (PS I have to agree with frekkle's post before this one) |
Thank you Uber,
It is also true that new features are hard to think of... its the idea that counts most.