Post by: IntestineMan on January 31, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
Couldn't they check the validity of the BIOS in RAM instead of reading the flash?
Post by: Knuck3ls on January 31, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
Looks interesting. In theory, it MIGHT be possible to stealth the BIOS from detection (I have a few workable ideas), but it most likely WILL NOT involve any hardware.
I think a better tack on the XBL issue is to hijack the initial packets and patch them.
Post by: SSSSSmokey on January 31, 2003, 02:59:00 PM
Sob Sob Sniffle....Xodus Chamelion: I can't believe a product could just obliterate the X2 Pro like this...AND RIGHT AFTER I PREORDER X2 Pro!!! I would probably never have used the extra features such as software D0 controlling and stuff, but it's nice knowing it is there.
And at 25 bucks, I hope it ruins every Xbox it touches....sorry. Sob...Sniffle...(Blows Nose)
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 02:59:00 PM
I think packet filtering will be enough anyway.
I'm actually a bit surprised nobody has patched the Live! Executables to solve the issue anyway.
There are a number of attacks that could allow the use of a modified machine during an XBL session; that M$ might change tactics in the future shouldn't come into play, because we are talking here and now.
I'm just concerned about the big announcement with NO SALE DATE. I realize the EB2k raid probably killed any momentum on production and sales, but Team Xodus didn't even announce specs until now, 6 days after this 1MB add on was supposed to SHIP (Jan 25th). The timing is suspect, coming on the eve of Pros being shipped out.
If they were on track for a Jan 25th release, these specs could have been revealed well before the raid took place.
Basically, I'm willing to cut them some slack, but I'll be a bit wary until hardware is actually released, or we at least see some photos of the device. (remember, we saw X2 prototypes LONG before actual release)
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 03:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (SSSSSmokey @ Jan 31 2003, 06:59 PM) |
| Sob Sob Sniffle.... Xodus Chamelion: I can't believe a product could just obliterate the X2 Pro like this...AND RIGHT AFTER I PREORDER X2 Pro!!! I would probably never have used the extra features such as software D0 controlling and stuff, but it's nice knowing it is there. And at 25 bucks, I hope it ruins every Xbox it touches....sorry. Sob...Sniffle...(Blows Nose) |
...and when will it be released?
We've been hearing about the add-on for over a month, and all we have is a feature list; not even an image of the prototype or a hint of when it will ship.
P.S. In a minute, I will MERGE this one with the other Chameleon topic.
Post by: shanafan on January 31, 2003, 03:03:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| From what it seems the Chameleon beats the X2pro in always! Features and Price!!! Whats 25$ compare to 59$ !! Thinks are getting better as it goes ! |
Please stop with the comparing CRAP. It's pointless.
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 03:07:00 PM
There is no need to start a new thread every minute about this.
The Chameleon sounds neat and all, I can understand how it makes the matrix fanboys' hearts go atwitter, but I'm not going to tolerate twenty fanboy threads.
Post by: SplinterX on January 31, 2003, 03:19:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Please stop with the comparing CRAP. It's pointless. |
Hey im not Comparing just statting some facts nothing else
Im not taking sites here or something like that
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 03:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (ravencry @ Jan 31 2003, 07:14 PM) | ||
Who ever said it will be out on the 25th of Jan? I dont remember any official statements onany page saying 25th of Jan... On the other hand, I recall Xecuter announcing 25th of Jan for the X2pro Are we confusing the teams? please confirm |
No, I'm not confusing the two....
I specifically remembering a statement from Team Xodus about the 25th, which was also the date of the scheduled release of the Pro. I remember thinking... "gee, that's the same date as the X2 Pro launch" when I saw it.
I'll have to do a little research, because it wasn't on their main page (the one prior to the latest).
Post by: ravencry on January 31, 2003, 03:23:00 PM
I would have rembered also
I personally hit that site 5 times a day
Never saw a release date for "addon"
Please make sure what you say is valid
the only time i saw the number 25, was the price
$25
Post by: ravencry on January 31, 2003, 03:47:00 PM
thats the last X-S announcement on the topic
nothing there either
I honeslty cant remember that date assosiated with xodus, I am as anxious to see this as you are and I would have noticed the ETA if it was released
Post by: limbfilter on January 31, 2003, 03:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jan 31 2003, 07:07 PM) |
| I can understand how it makes the matrix fanboys' hearts go atwitter, |
ROFLMAO!!!!
Post by: BenJeremy on January 31, 2003, 03:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (limbfilter @ Jan 31 2003, 07:52 PM) | ||
ROFLMAO!!!! |
Even funnier that the same fanboys ranted and raved that nobody would ever need more than 256kb.
Post by: nfmus on January 31, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: neonman on January 31, 2003, 06:32:00 PM
oh well, i think its past my bedtime
Post by: rgtaa on January 31, 2003, 07:09:00 PM
is that what the DO t1 points refer to ... or what do you PRO's think?
Post by: sith on January 31, 2003, 09:43:00 PM
.sith.
p.s. hey nfmus what game is your avatar from.. i used to love it...
Post by: jackz on January 31, 2003, 11:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| From what it seems the Chameleon beats the X2pro in always! Features and Price!!! Whats 25$ compare to 59$ !! Thinks are getting better as it goes ! |
Dude, are you saying Matrix itself is free? Chameleon is only an addon...
Post by: exile on February 01, 2003, 12:15:00 AM
and d0 and t1 stuff.Just a shot in the dark:
It sounds like you can boot a backup and then through the software you can switch to a different bank on the fly where an original bios would be and it would use stealth to hide the illegal bios so you could go on live without being detected.
This is merely speculation so you know and and I do not suggest at all that I know what I am talking about. This is just what I deducted from what I do know. It might have nothing to do with live in fixing it but rather offer some other kind of features similar to what I said above. I wonder what this software is that they are talking about???
Post by: Samara on February 01, 2003, 01:55:00 AM
It opens the door to hacking and cheating and I think it's a fucking stupid goal. If you can't afford to pay $50 every once in a while for a game that you want to play online then that's pretty sad.
Curses on everyone trying to get backups to work.
Post by: Rabid Wolverine on February 01, 2003, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: MURDERER on February 01, 2003, 05:59:00 AM
iMURDERER
Post by: BenJeremy on February 01, 2003, 06:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (MURDERER @ Feb 1 2003, 09:59 AM) |
| Yes!!! T1 and D0 controllable by software can mean only one thing, solderless TSOP flashing!!!!!!!! iMURDERER |
Well, that's a "good" thing, but think of how easy it will be for disreputable installers to dupe people buying pre-modded systems by just flashing the TSOP.
It's already a problem.
Post by: xMonoxide187x on February 01, 2003, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: frekkle on February 01, 2003, 08:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (nico131 @ Feb 1 2003, 03:25 PM) |
| I'm not sure about the features of the chameleon. Does it provide the same features than matrix and xecuter2? (evox, multibios, hddswap...)? |
As you may notice,
All new chips are flash upgradable so HDDswap is implied when you use a bios that has the evox hdd patch
Evox can be installed on any moded nox so yes.
yes Chameleon has multibios (its clearly explained on the announcement)
I am fond of the idea of being able to use it as a stand alone chip with all its features for only 25$ and i wont be suprised if people use it as a chip and not an addon. time will tell
Post by: smokeingit on February 01, 2003, 09:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (MURDERER @ Feb 1 2003, 02:59 PM) |
| Yes!!! T1 and D0 controllable by software can mean only one thing, solderless TSOP flashing!!!!!!!! iMURDERER |
it would not make it solderless TSOP flashing... you would still have to solder both points top and bottom. the only advantage it brings is that you do not have to bring a wire from T1 to ground.
Post by: equilibrium on February 01, 2003, 10:23:00 AM
. The only problem is, what if you try this and it works for a few weeks and then M$ ban you ???. Sounds too good to be true and the release of this info maybe to try to get people to think about waiting for it rather than get a xecuter2 pro.Will be nice to see some pics and maybe some more info on this stealth feature. Maybe the eye of bigbrother (M$) will watching you for a week or 2 and them bam! everyone using this gets caught ??
maybe I'm paranoid.I don't really mind because I probably won't ever even try xbox live as I play online with my pc
Post by: xMonoxide187x on February 01, 2003, 11:03:00 AM
If BenJeremy's post about The Secrets of BIOS Features like IGR and stuff gets answered, you may want a 512k or 1024k BIOS in the future. You never know.
Post by: frekkle on February 01, 2003, 11:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (nico131 @ Feb 1 2003, 05:40 PM) |
| ok, so it would totally make sense to choose this one instead of an xecuter2 lite for example, am I right? |
common sence sais, if you get something at a better price and better features, you go for that right?
Post by: obiwan on February 01, 2003, 07:39:00 PM
so i guess no need for an external switch, correct me if i am wrong
Post by: PToN on February 01, 2003, 08:45:00 PM
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Post by: frekkle on February 02, 2003, 09:27:00 AM
I got my switches installed and i am really happy with them (even though I have it on mode 3 most of the time).
Chameleon really looks promising... cant wait to see pics and more info
Post by: Dirkbox on February 03, 2003, 03:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (obiwan @ Feb 3 2003, 01:11 AM) |
| They say Software control... Any one have any ideas how this can work? |
well you would assume that you can disable the mod from the dash or button presses. This get reset on power off.
For me this sound very good. Having a matrix that came unaligned a few time I have just bought an x2lite which I will fit with the pin header tonight, now it look like I won't have to put loads of switches on my xbox to disable chips. So when the chameleon come out I can plug that in to the pin hearders and maybe have to solder a few wires then I'm done.
I was only buying a lite to wait for the pro, but now I think I will wait for the Chameleon. Just like the idea of turn the thing off via S/W. Oh and the cost is also very nice.
Have to wait and see.
Hopefully it won't be a X2 fanboy Vs Matrix Fanboy slaging match again, 'cause it give me ball ache.
Post by: obiwan on February 03, 2003, 03:59:00 AM
Pin header is easy too (especially when u have a v1.1) so yes its worth the wait,
besides thats what we have been doing since day 1
Wait for a better mod to come out right?
Post by: BenJeremy on February 03, 2003, 12:50:00 PM
Geez... I wonder if they are just trying to get a bit of cash flow and siphon off some X2Pro business.
Looks like it's a simple pin header for 'stand alone' connection. Nothing else new announced.
I realize a lot of people are going to lay out money here, but hopefully it's more current Matrix users interested in upgrading, rather then people with a current need to modchip their Xboxes. Personally, I'd advise against that without some sort of date on the table for delivery of these things. You know what they say about a bird in the hand... same sort of thing as counting chickens before they hatch...
Post by: gainpresence on February 03, 2003, 01:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Feb 3 2003, 02:50 PM) |
| Looks like Easybuy2000 is taking pre-orders, but still no arrival date? |
It says Feb 28.. I expect it will be bumped up a few weeks (months?) though.
Post by: mattb on February 03, 2003, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: _KC_ on February 03, 2003, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: mod7 on February 03, 2003, 02:44:00 PM
However MS is following the rfc. <wink>Nice new chip btw! good job xodus.
Post by: devlkore on February 04, 2003, 01:39:00 AM
Why would you use it as an add-on, what purpose does this serve?
When are they being released, or have they been already?
Do they come with a BIOS flasher (hardware)?
How comes it's cheaper than the Matrix, but supposedly better?
LA!
I need answers, cuz I want my Xblock modded, but I'm still deciding on the chip to get.
BYEEEEE!!
Post by: BenJeremy on February 04, 2003, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: Scan-C on February 04, 2003, 03:57:00 AM
Post by: obiwan on February 04, 2003, 04:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (Scan-C @ Feb 4 2003, 11:57 AM) |
| does the chameleon come pre-flashed?if not it's a standalone chip without a programmer cuz i think they'll not include one and you would have to buy one so it's not as cheap as it sounds... |
We dont know yet...
Recalling the First Xodus chip and its announcements, they released info partially
on their site and all the questions where answered that way.
I myself cant wait to see more, customers are asking for it already!
Post by: devlkore on February 04, 2003, 05:49:00 AM
I doubt it because it uses the same pins used for flashing as it does for attachment, so how (apart from using evox) do you get a 1mb BIOS onto it?
LA!
Sorry for starting a new thread.
Post by: theplowking on February 04, 2003, 10:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (Jacob @ Feb 4 2003, 06:25 PM) |
| Just put my preorder in A local installer told me to put a X2lite but he asked for 100$ inclucing installation! I said no way... I am getting a chamaleon (aparently better than X2L) for $25 and gonna do it myself. |
Good work,
with a little luck you will have your chip just before xbox2 comes out
never pre anything with EASYBUY
Post by: frekkle on February 04, 2003, 10:46:00 AM
I have no idea how they work now because since then I havent preordered anything (only ordered)
But i did preorder my $25 Chamaleon today just because I am sure I am getting this mod
and a bit of priority wouldnt harm
Hope I get it so i can review it
Post by: frekkle on February 04, 2003, 10:52:00 AM
But I know that easybuy has stoped all the satellite business and only sells mods and accessories so the costumers they get are only modders
Post by: knowledgeiv on February 04, 2003, 04:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (Scan-C @ Feb 4 2003, 06:57 AM) |
| does the chameleon come pre-flashed?if not it's a standalone chip without a programmer cuz i think they'll not include one and you would have to buy one so it's not as cheap as it sounds... |
Doubtful, condsidering eb2k is supplying it and probably don't want to supply chips w/ illegal BIOS, since this is how they handled the Matrix. Another option they have is to flash is w/ the linux BIOS and an ozflash disk can be used to flash the chip.
Post by: obiwan on February 04, 2003, 05:28:00 PM
they had a whole legal post when they first launched
i guess its the best way to go (don tknow how xecuter gets away wiith openly selling illegally preflashed bios chips)
Post by: XbOxGoD on February 04, 2003, 05:48:00 PM
x2 pro is unflashed, as will x2 lite, once programmer is finalised
Post by: obiwan on February 05, 2003, 01:31:00 PM
is to play the games from the HDD
not to cheat ( i know its unavoidable)
Post by: BenJeremy on February 05, 2003, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: obiwan on February 06, 2003, 04:45:00 AM
The question is... will it be abused or not
as for the Chamaleon, If Live support is supported, then we'll have to see
Post by: BMW on February 07, 2003, 02:42:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Well as we all know evox have been working very closely with xodus recently. The new chameleon add on for matrix now has various multi bios switching modes (as innovated by yours truly hehe) but they announced a new stealth feature which was of interest. Everyone is asking what this is - and they aren't saying so here's my best guess They obviosuley control d0 by a pic (it was found out later onboard "tsop" flashing was possible with a 4034 hacked bios to enable load of hacked rom then divert hardware routines to the onboard flash rom) seg000:00093B00 mov eax, 'EvoX' seg000:00093B05 mov ds:0, eax seg000:00093B09 jmp loc_9024C OK so let's imagine the stealth technology is to load a hacked rom and then divert to onboard. hence the hacked rom is a complete new work based on the original evox_tssop_flash bootloader complete with all the current hacks - and for it to work correctly d0/t1 needs to be controlled correctly (very easy with a pic of course and is exactley what the chameleon is advertising) So its also possible this bios will only work on the chameleon due to its new controller functions The bad thing about this is what about all the homebrew ppl who would want to use this ? I may be wrong in assuming this but if i'm not then isnt evox going against their ethos about everything being for free ? Sure we all sell hardware - but we do nothing you cant do manually yourself - we just provide pro products to make life easier for those that dont want to homebrew. I'll release this myself as a homebrew hardware project anyway - any pic control commands are kids stuff, so most of you should be able to have fun, plus of course Xecuter have a complete set of next generation BIOS features that we promised you last year. We told you we would eventually break the 512k barrier and oh boy have we - so its only fair to say that Xecuter BIOS users - or even Complex Bios users may want this new Stealth feature. We'll analyze the new evox bios with interest and of course make sure the stealth function is available to everyone not just xodus users. Now why a Stealth function you all ask ? - XBL hack maybe ? 9if yes then it will be a diastor - many of us hope that an XBL hack never sees the light of day), it could be simple anti mod detection for future titles ? who knows ? Good work to EvoX all the same as its always good to be thinking of new ideas. We will certainley enjoy you analayzing the new hacks we're about to release too - see if you can solve how we did it of course this entire post is just a theory - im probably talking out of my ass  |
Post by: obiwan on February 07, 2003, 07:35:00 AM
one this is for sure though... xodus will never release a chip that will require just an evox bios
the stealth feature seems to look like a hardware controller (not a bios)
Post by: BMW on February 07, 2003, 09:57:00 AM
you dont think evox are "peeing" them selves with all the new shit that x2 have coming out
but who cares its all free right ?
I thought his post was very constructive and gave an excellent insight into how it may work - one thing you should know (im sure you know SOMTHING about xbox right?) is that a stealth feature requires a stealth bootloader - xodus are not coders - you know this, i know thiss, everyone knows this. i think you give them a little too much credit I really do.
why are guys like you so anti-xecuter obi wan - they give you the original cracks to the xbox - they crack the dvd - they offer good mods
whats your issue ?
Post by: frekkle on February 08, 2003, 10:52:00 AM
thats when xodus got their fans and xecuter got theirs
then it began with evox and nexgen
xecuter flamed evox so evox didnt want to have anything to do with xecuter
so xecuter went after nexgen
and evox went with xodus.
now everythig evox and xodus do or announce, xecuter pulls out a way to say its bad and useless (even when its not out or explained)
its fair for all to talk and discuss... and take sides... its the way things work, life, politics, business and more.
Post by: tastyratz on February 12, 2003, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: ek247 on February 12, 2003, 11:52:00 AM
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There is no doubt in my mind that future games will start to include modchip detection on the discs. Some sort of stealth technology will be absolutely critical if you have any desire to backup your games to the hard driveQuote
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