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Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 23, 2003, 03:23:00 PM
Okay i heard some BS that you cant fix the TSOP if you delete or screw up the TSOP... now thats a lie and i am gonna prove it...
with smokey's challenge...

What i do when fixing TSOP's that people screw up and i fix...

1. solder both top and bottom of board....
a. Spot 1 (MCPX RD)
b. Spot 2 (MCPX WR)

2. now may sure you have EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.zip already flashed to the matrix.... dont do it after... because it just wastes time and can cause user error...
no one wants that.

3. connect a thin single thread wire to T1, dont solder the bitch. use small amounts of hot gule or tape. T1

Here COMES SMOKEY"S WAY!!!!!!

4. now install chip into xbox and put it on mode 4 with out the ground connected to T1.
the xbox (eject button)will blink orange and green.... YOU WANT THIS!!! this will let you know that the chip is installed right...
seeing nothing else is no good. The eject button must blink orange and green.
once it is blinking green and orange, dont touch move the matrix around. it is already set.

5. once you did number 4 turn off the system and put the matrix on mode 3 and put the T1 to the screw (ground) and boot it up.
once booted remove the T1 cable from the screw...

6. once booted up use your fav boot disk. Slayers 1.5 or 2.0 or use evox CD to flash your TSOP!


Thats it and it works like a charm every time... no matter what anyone says.


Edited: it will flash TSOP's that have not been touched. except it will be alot easier to get it right the first time!
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: jujupinto85 on January 23, 2003, 03:59:00 PM
listen to smokey, u might learn a thing or two,

i did!


Jujupinto85
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: Xustu on January 23, 2003, 04:41:00 PM
nice one dude
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: foocankill on January 23, 2003, 04:57:00 PM
oh and they should either pin this or make it an official tutorial on xbox-scene.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: limbfilter on January 23, 2003, 05:27:00 PM
And does this work when a tsop is completely blank? Or flashed with a bad bios?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: jujupinto85 on January 23, 2003, 05:29:00 PM
either or both!
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 23, 2003, 05:36:00 PM
It does not matter if your TSOP is blank or fucked up flashed.... it will still work... I promise you this. and sorry for not posting this before. i thought no one cared.. until jujupinto85 told me it was an issue.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: majik655 on January 23, 2003, 08:25:00 PM
you know...
if you have alignement problems with the matrix.. on the D0 point..

I DO NOT RECOMMEND LEAVING A XBOX THIS WAY... THIS IS ONLY FOR FLASHING!

Some may think this is bad.. but I swear it works with no problems or shorts...

I wish my camera zoomed in good enough to show..but anyway I will try to explain..

take a piece of .30 gauge wire (dunno if my decimal is in right place but its thin.)

anway sheath off like a quarter inch.. then cut that bare wire from the main ..
so you have a quarter inch or so of BARE wire.

Now stick that little piece of wire in the d0 point.. make sure you ends are straight meaning not cut and bent.. so it goes in nice..
be GENTLE! push or wiggle it in.. it does not go far...
just the tip makes it in a little bit.

now once in a little.. press down and align it with the tracks.. so it goes with the flow of them.

there is a coating over the tracks do not worry about shorting.. (at least I never do. I don't cut into the coating)
anyway.. just press down nicely making sure no wire is touching metal.

now put a small piece of tape over it .. electrical tape is best I think..
TRY if you can not to cover the linning up points ... so you can see at least one of them through the holes on top of the matrix...

now you "should" if you do it right.. just the small little hump that comes out of the d0 point.
MAKE SURE it is just a little bit of that wire showing comming out of the d0 point.. and the rest is covered with tap.  (also cover the other little points that are next to it if you can.. just a little tap is all you need.

anyway .. now put on your matrix.. but do not even screw it down all the way.. allow for small movement up and down and left and right.
Now align the matrix with the tsop chip (the black chip on board)...
now you will see..
when you line it up.. the matrix will stop moving  when you hit that little wire on the d0 point.
of course you can move OVER it.. but you will see.. you will line it up EVERY time .. so you can flash the tsop.

it is a easy way for those picky d0 points.. I do this and it lines up as soon as I screw it down.. and move a little till it doesn;t move down.. of course I can see through the holes and align like normal.. but now when it stops.. It is hitting that little wire.. which is all you need. to flash.


I DO NOT RECOMMEND LEAVING A XBOX THIS WAY... THIS IS ONLY FOR FLASHING!



if pictures are needed .. i can do it.. just will take a min. or two   heh
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 23, 2003, 11:19:00 PM
QUOTE (mono11 @ Jan 24 2003, 07:03 AM)
will this work if  my x box gives me the red and green light and tuns on and off several times and  my hd beeps? would it be a  tsop problem?

hm... that sounds worse then a simple TSOP problem... but if it boots up with a matrix... then yes it will work... unless you are missing the TSOP alltogther.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 24, 2003, 01:03:00 PM
Dude its okay! relax, your not doing one of my steps. Just follow them and you cant go wrong.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: foocankill on January 26, 2003, 06:13:00 PM
i have tried this over 100 times, literally lol, and it does not work, i think that its different for everyones xbox/ how they screwed up their tsop. mine was fucked up by flashing with a multibios that had the xecuter2 4974 with an original bios, i didnt know you couldnt do that.  but anyways i guess im screwed
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 26, 2003, 09:32:00 PM
how funny. cause i did the same thing... to one of my xbox's... "I have 2 because someone didnt pay me up." and it worked... your not doing the steps homie. your lying to me... and it hurts... mode 4 and see what happends if it goes diff colors then it can be fixed. if not then your Bios is not right.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: cantloseu on January 26, 2003, 09:45:00 PM
ok so when u say "solder both top and bottom of board" u mean to solder the two points on top together.  then solder the 2 points on bottom together?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on January 27, 2003, 06:46:00 AM
QUOTE (cantloseu @ Jan 27 2003, 06:45 AM)
ok so when u say "solder both top and bottom of board" u mean to solder the two points on top together.  then solder the 2 points on bottom together?

Correct, this will let the TSOP know its okay to erase and reprogram it.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: deadspider on February 02, 2003, 01:50:00 AM
ok maybe smokeingit or someone knows this lol
http://www.geocities...dgeiv/flash.htm everything is clear well almost am going to the the first method and not Alternate Method and just wondering if i need to join the (J1) and (W1 - W2) ? since it does not say it method one. also from my understanding i can remove (T1) after im done but what about W1/W2
i hope i didnt loose you in this question hehehhe
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incase i fuckup big and cant be fix it i should be able to use a modchip and everything should be ok right???????????

and one more thing if im sodering W2 does the wire go just like the pictures is shown or is there a special point the last 2?

thaknx to all that reply
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 02, 2003, 10:15:00 AM
Deadspider.... If your new to soldering then DO NOT SOLDER W1-W2, you can by mistake take off the TSOP off its tracks and then it becomes a pain in the ass to get it back.
but to answer your question...
you will still need to short J1 regardless.
you will need to leave W2 there. once you solder...
and once it boots with this meathod you can remove the T1 wire from ground.
once your TSOP is flashed you can remove the chip and T1 out of there...
just to let you know... you will not be able to reflash your tsop from evox doing this method,  only the alternative method will let you reflash...
and yes if you fuck, it will still boot your system.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: sebene on February 02, 2003, 01:39:00 PM
hi

i m so glad to hear that my xbox tsop could actually be repaired !

i just solder a mod chip few days ago !!!!!
i didn t known i could reflash that way !

remember i had flashed my tsop with a corrupted bios !
so with the matrix i was trying the trick with the flashing tsop bios but it wasn t working cause it needed at least a bank of the original xbox bios !

so from what i heard now i should be able to reuse the tsop !

u should make a nice tuto with pics and post it in the tuto section of the xbox scene !

thx a lot !
ps now i have to unsolder my chip !!!!!
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 02, 2003, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE (knowledgeiv @ Feb 2 2003, 09:41 PM)
smokeingit, I see nothing different in your method that in method 1 of my tutorial, except the fact that you are saying to use a regualar Evox BIOS instead of the TSOP flash one...am I right?

Also, once you flash the TSOP, you can reflash it over and over as long as you leave either the top and bottom jumpers OR the top jumper and W1-W2 connected.

by all means knowledgeiv, I followed your method to a T. The only thing is that you tell people how to flash a TSOP if the onboard bios is not fucked. i go and tell them how to fix the problem. I for one to not have W1 and W2 shorted so i cant speak for that on my behalf. i just read alot of posts people bitching that they cant reflash on EVOX dont the w1w2 style. I tell them to use the flash matrix style from the word go and go to mode 4 to test the aliment to make sure its gonna work. thus the orange/green/red flash's.

But thanks to you i made this faq, but i made it because people could not fix it there TSOP because did not understand what Mr.greatvirus wrote to fix.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 02, 2003, 07:59:00 PM
That is right about the whole alignment thing. the idea of taking the chip out once you alignment down scares me.... cause sometimes it take me forever to aligne the bitch

I did read that people could not flash with W1-W2 but i did not test because i didnt like the idea of connecting shit to TSOP directly.

I tested it with 256k Flash's, blank TSOP because they turned it wrong, wrong bios (enigmah bios) and one @ 99 %
tiz all worked fine
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: deadspider on February 02, 2003, 08:20:00 PM
smokeingit  in other words i dont really have to soder W1-W2 and get away with it?
if yes then whats the point for sodering it.
and one question off topic what the hell does a EjectFix bios do?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 02, 2003, 08:38:00 PM
If you solder the bottom part of the board then you dont need to solder W1-W2, which by far i recommend doing that method. and eject fix bios is one that will not reset the xbox when you hit the eject button.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: deadspider on February 02, 2003, 09:11:00 PM
ok kool so just soldor  MCPX WR# to Flash WE#  BOTTOM SIDE and MCPX RD# to Flash OE# TOP SIDE tape the T1 flash and boom.
its like the more im reading and asking question about this TSOP the easier its looking to do it lol.
question bout the #7(1meg BIOS in the bios folder & EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.bin) so the 1mb bios is the one thats going to be used in the xbox that mean if i want a color bios make the 1mb bios color since i can not change it after im done.
by the way thankx for all your help
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 02, 2003, 11:20:00 PM
Right. the 1mb bios goes to TSOP. and make sure its a 1mb file.. it can be any color bios. but dont use the matrix tsop bios on the xbox TSOP.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: knowledgeiv on February 03, 2003, 03:25:00 AM
smokeingit, That's good news that you were able to get this method to work on a TSOP that was close to 100% screwed.

I didn't want to try to solder W1 to W2, either.  This just seemed ridiculous when the same thing can be done by connecting the jumper on the bottom of the mobo.  Also, it's much easier to use the conductive grease to connect the jumpers, instead of soldering and you can just wipe it away when you are done if you want.  A conductive pen would probably also work and be much easier.

As far as alignment goes, I didn't want to have to worry about re-aligning either...it can be a bitch somtimes.  That's why I use a normal BIOS, align the chip, and then re-flash with TSOP flash BIOS from the Evox dash or CD.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 03, 2003, 06:20:00 PM
not yet
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 08, 2003, 08:33:00 AM
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Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 08, 2003, 08:56:00 AM
and you followed all the steps to the T? what error did you get from evox?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 08, 2003, 08:57:00 AM
didn't get an error from evox.. no matter what i do, i get 3 reboots and red/green.. but with the matrix installed with a regular x2 or evox bios it works fine.. the tsop is fucked.. oh well.. heh
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 08, 2003, 09:04:00 AM
if it still does not boot then you are doing something wrong. its not aligned for sure. get it aligned first then do my steps. and sure its not a 1.1 xbox and make sure its a tsop matrix flash bios.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 08, 2003, 09:11:00 AM
it is indeed aligned, and it's a 1.0 xbox.. and yes, i was using the tsop flash bios. i had the matrix sitting in the machine prior with the tsop flash bios in place, it was set to mode1, and it worked fine when i set it to mode3 and grounded t1.. i made a multibios with cromwell 1.8, the original xbox bios, and two instances of x2 4793 color.. flashed the tsop, and the problems started.. (quick note.. tsop was previously flashed, and i've messed it up before, but have always been able to recover due to having a partial good flash on it, which is why the matrix was always in the machine). i did realign it just to be safe, and had no luck, so i pulled the matrix out, and flashed it with a regular bios, and it's all good now.. off the matrix anyway heh..
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 08, 2003, 06:55:00 PM
QUOTE (simchippy @ Feb 8 2003, 06:28 PM)
I got it to work but now I can't get the EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.zip off my matrix. The programmer can't detect the chip:(

Sim

give the programmer and the matrix chip the grip of death. i mean to the point your hand hurts....



cracks0r, what is the error you get when you try to flash? and is it a hydix TSOP? tell me what the error is please so i can test it with that bios... beign that i am lots of xboxs here to fix anyways.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 08, 2003, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE (smokeingit @ Feb 9 2003, 03:55 AM)
QUOTE (simchippy @ Feb 8 2003, 06:28 PM)
I got it to work but now I can't get the EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.zip off my matrix. The programmer can't detect the chip:(

Sim

give the programmer and the matrix chip the grip of death. i mean to the point your hand hurts....



cracks0r, what is the error you get when you try to flash? and is it a hydix TSOP? tell me what the error is please so i can test it with that bios... beign that i am lots of xboxs here to fix anyways.

dude.. how many ways can i explain this before you understand? the tsop is hosed.. your method is no different from the original tsop flash method, except for alignment.. it will not fix a totally hosed tsop every time. I have screwed my tsop up before and managed to reflash it, but this time it will not boot with the matrix_tsop_flash bios. D0 on my box has a piece of 30awg wrapping wire hanging off of it, that i have grounded.. so alignment isn't an issue, but no matter which bios i attempt to boot with (along with the matrix_tsop_flash on the modchip) it just does it's little 3 reboot / christmas lights.. the matrix does the same thing in mode3.. red / green flashing, instead of green for a sec then red solid.. so i take the matrix out and reflash it with x24794 colormod bios, and it boots just fine. I don't get an error in evox, because i can't boot up.. period.. but no matter.. i'll figure out a way eventually.. until then i'll just leave the chip in. smile.gif

EDIT:::: yes.. it's a hynix chip.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 09, 2003, 08:53:00 AM
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Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: MURDERER on February 09, 2003, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE (majik655 @ Jan 24 2003, 04:25 AM)
you know...
if you have alignement problems with the matrix.. on the D0 point..

I DO NOT RECOMMEND LEAVING A XBOX THIS WAY... THIS IS ONLY FOR FLASHING!

Some may think this is bad.. but I swear it works with no problems or shorts...

I wish my camera zoomed in good enough to show..but anyway I will try to explain..

take a piece of .30 gauge wire (dunno if my decimal is in right place but its thin.)

anway sheath off like a quarter inch.. then cut that bare wire from the main ..
so you have a quarter inch or so of BARE wire.

Now stick that little piece of wire in the d0 point.. make sure you ends are straight meaning not cut and bent.. so it goes in nice..
be GENTLE! push or wiggle it in.. it does not go far...
just the tip makes it in a little bit.

now once in a little.. press down and align it with the tracks.. so it goes with the flow of them.

there is a coating over the tracks do not worry about shorting.. (at least I never do. I don't cut into the coating)
anyway.. just press down nicely making sure no wire is touching metal.

now put a small piece of tape over it .. electrical tape is best I think..
TRY if you can not to cover the linning up points ... so you can see at least one of them through the holes on top of the matrix...

now you "should" if you do it right.. just the small little hump that comes out of the d0 point.
MAKE SURE it is just a little bit of that wire showing comming out of the d0 point.. and the rest is covered with tap.  (also cover the other little points that are next to it if you can.. just a little tap is all you need.

anyway .. now put on your matrix.. but do not even screw it down all the way.. allow for small movement up and down and left and right.
Now align the matrix with the tsop chip (the black chip on board)...
now you will see..
when you line it up.. the matrix will stop moving  when you hit that little wire on the d0 point.
of course you can move OVER it.. but you will see.. you will line it up EVERY time .. so you can flash the tsop.

it is a easy way for those picky d0 points.. I do this and it lines up as soon as I screw it down.. and move a little till it doesn;t move down.. of course I can see through the holes and align like normal.. but now when it stops.. It is hitting that little wire.. which is all you need. to flash.


I DO NOT RECOMMEND LEAVING A XBOX THIS WAY... THIS IS ONLY FOR FLASHING!



if pictures are needed .. i can do it.. just will take a min. or two   heh

Hey I tried this, and it was sooo easy to align the matrix this way for flashing! I flashed 2 XBOXs in 45 minutes today!! biggrin.gif

iMURDERER
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 14, 2003, 03:27:00 AM
crack is looking at the correct light. the multibios combination used on this tsop is causing the problem for some reason.. it will only boot off the lpc bus with a "normal" bios no matter what.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: ice1138 on February 14, 2003, 05:06:00 AM
I too have had issues with smokey's method on a TSOP with linux flashed. If smokey's method does not depend on the the status of the tsop, then it shouldnt matter thats its a linux bios.
Not trying to say that it doesnt work (works very well in fact), just stating that it will not fix every problem.

-ice1138
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 14, 2003, 11:27:00 AM
I do most Xbox's fully intact. with my alingedment method. i do have an issue with 1 xbox i have that KazuyaWaruasobi screwed up... I know i have checked every simple track on the xbox yet it wont let me flash the bastard. i think it may be bios.. i dont see why it would if the xbox depends only on the LPC when it first boots. but i am going to try some brute force shit on that box and see if i can get the TSOP to fully erase.

Yes Knowledgeiv, please do
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: crackz0r on February 14, 2003, 06:16:00 PM
QUOTE (ice1138 @ Feb 14 2003, 02:06 PM)
I too have had issues with smokey's method on a TSOP with linux flashed. If smokey's method does not depend on the the status of the tsop, then it shouldnt matter thats its a linux bios.
Not trying to say that it doesnt work (works very well in fact), just stating that it will not fix every problem.

-ice1138

my problem child seems to directly relate to the cromwell bios being in the mix (i don't know why however).. see, the tsop flashed completely, then rebooted, then never worked again.. well not without a modchip anyway.. i did use this method to flash a different box today that had a partial screwup, and the guy just wanted the original bios put back on.. worked good. smile.gif
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: area151 on February 16, 2003, 08:33:00 PM
So with smokey's guide to FIX a tsop, can it be used to just flash a tsop that hasn't ever been flashed? Not just to FIX one.
In other words is there NO need to follow this tutorial now?  http://www.xbox-scen...tsop-matrix.php

I can just use smokey's way right?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on February 16, 2003, 08:49:00 PM
Yes, i should have said its lot easier to flash a TSOP as well.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 03, 2003, 11:20:00 PM
the chip is not dead forever, when you take the chip out... you did kill the connection between D0 and ground right?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: turtlesrule on March 04, 2003, 07:00:00 AM
Does anyone have an idea why the TSOP is now telling me unknown flash type?

Bump
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: turtlesrule on March 04, 2003, 09:45:00 AM
One more thing worth mentioning is that for device and manufacturer ID they both say ff. Not sure what this means either.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 04, 2003, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE (turtlesrule @ Mar 3 2003, 10:20 PM)
The first time I tried to flash it, I left the damn ground wire hooked to T1 and it started to flash for about 1-2 sec after the erase. Then it just froze.

I just read that. did you reflash your chip again with the matrix bios before doing this again? because in theory the matrix bios got erased when you left the ground wire on. other then that, i dont know.. you should make a thread only on this.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: nam133 on March 09, 2003, 10:31:00 PM
Just thought I'd jump in here...

I've flashed the TSOPs on 4 xboxes with my matrix using the standard method.  Recently I wanted to flash an onboard back to 3944 to install an x2 pro.  When doing that, I apparently left t1 grounded, and experienced the same thing turtlesrule described - 1/4th flashed then hang.

So here's the interesting part.  My TSOP won't flash (same FF problem as turtlesrule) and my matrix chip won't flash either!  When I try to flash it using the programmer, I get the equivalent of the FF problem-- WinLPC says it can't find the device (the red light goes out as soon as it tries to write) and lmilk errors out, not recognizing the device type.  

I downloaded the lmilk source and changed it to assume the right device type, to get past the device detection routine and assume the right flash chip config.  With that mod it immediately gets stuck while trying to erase.  It's the same exact problem as with the TSOP... it always reads FF's and writes seem to fail instantly.

So it seems that making that t1 mistake is unbelievably costly, as it kills your tsop and can kill your matrix as well.

Any tips on how to fix this would be great... I find it hard to believe that a bad flash should irreversibly f*ck up a flashrom, but it certainly seems to.   I suspect that there might be some way to hook up voltage to a flashrom to force an erase as well, any flash chip experts care to comment?

Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 10, 2003, 06:50:00 AM
=( Tiz my title fixing.. not reflashing... but it does help to reflash as well. i should have titled it to "perfect aligment method" =/
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: dali on March 18, 2003, 04:50:00 PM
I had the same problem when I flashed mine, but then i realized that the bios could not find the dashboard that it was looking for.  I wasn't sure which one it looked for, so I made several copies of yboxdash.xbe and renamed them to evoxdash.xbe and xboxdash.xbe...problem solved.  On that note, exactly WHICH dashboard does the Matrix TSOP flash bios look for?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 18, 2003, 07:37:00 PM
Iceage, are you using the HD that came with that xbox? and are you using a evox CD with a flash bios option?

Dali, use slayers CD or a evox CD with the option to flash the on board bios. not off the HD.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: IceAge on March 19, 2003, 09:14:00 AM
Awe man... I feel like such an ass.  My problem was that the wire grounded to t1 wasn't making a good connection.  I finally hooked the wire 90 degrees and shoved it in the hole, then taped it.  On next boot, my 'box booted straight up to my Slayer disc.  A quick menu selection and voila, the trick she is done.  My reason for doing this was that my screw hole was completely stripped out from removing/installing my matrix so my chip began slipping any time I would take my xbox anywere.  Now I don't have to worry about that!  I can't express enough thanks for the great info!!
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: xboxistheshiznit on March 25, 2003, 01:12:00 PM
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Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 25, 2003, 01:15:00 PM
=) knowlegde gave me the idea, just tweaked to my way.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 27, 2003, 11:42:00 AM
I sometimes get the same thing soul. so by far your not alone. its almost an art to alinge it right. always leave the boot CD in the DVD drive. and yes you will get the time setting once it boots up. the last resort would be solder the matrix to the board.
another tip for you guys...

in mode 3, if you get a orange or a red blink on the eject button once it boots and you see flobber... then the code is injected and you can flash.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: xboxistheshiznit on March 30, 2003, 10:00:00 PM
QUOTE (soul @ Mar 27 2003, 07:56 PM)
Is there a reason to use a boot CD since I have Evolution-x on the hard drive?

it works fine off the hdd or a cd. if you leave the points soldered you can reflash it as much as you wish from the dash (and as long as you have a good flash, you dont even need the matrix to do it  biggrin.gif ), ive had to do this a couple of times with all the new bios relases (4975, 4976, 4976.02, and a couple of customs ones)
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on March 31, 2003, 12:12:00 AM
QUOTE (soul @ Mar 27 2003, 12:56 PM)
Do still think that the red/green/orange cycle is an alignment issue?  If so, I'll spend some more time on it tonight.

i know for sure that the cycle is because the chip is in perfect alignment.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: MURDERER on March 31, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
If you are having an alignment issue, put a piece of wire in d0 so the pogo pushes right up against it, making a perfect alignment.  If you need to see pictures of it, go to my website on TSOP flashing in my signature.

iMURDERER
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: ozone on April 11, 2003, 09:52:00 AM
Hey guys...

I have had the worst of luck and had a power failure, right in the middle of flashing my bios... grrrr...

Anyways, I'm gonna buy me a Xodus/matrix, but I notice it's delivered empty... Will this trick work if I flash the Matrix with the EvoX flash image from the boot cd?

- TIA
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on April 11, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
it should work... in theroy.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: 52volts on April 21, 2003, 07:02:00 PM
Damm I've tried for hours and still no luck. I somehow got a bad flash about 25% of the way and now i can only boot up with a matrix in place. Following somkey's way to the "T" i finally got the unit to boot up in mode 3 with "matrix tsop flash"(took about 1hr of moving the chip around). Here the problem now, the xbox booted with slayer's 2.0 cd and when trying to flsah tsop I get "manufactures ID ff Device ID ff !!unknown flash type!!". So does this mean the Tsop is totally f***up?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: jamminj606 on April 21, 2003, 08:46:00 PM
Ive been going at this method for about an hour now and still cant even get this dvd-drive tray to open.  

I started off with a bad xbox (i dont know how it got that way, but it was flashed before).  I thought I could fix it using this method, but no luck.  

I soldered a wire to the T1 point and got ready for the ground.  Then I aligned the matrix (flashed with EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.bin) to make the xbox flash orange/red/green in mode4.  Then I ground the T1 point and switched the matrix over to mode3.  After that, it just gives me the flashing red/green/orange lights.  The stupid dvd tray wont even open (it makes a loud clicking sound over and over).

Anyone know what Im doing wrong?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: 52volts on April 21, 2003, 09:16:00 PM
jamminj606, i was where you were at. I got the matrix align enough to flash it, but that is still not good enough to boot it after the flash. I kept gettin gthe red,green,orage. After about 1 hour of moving it and loosening the screw and moving it while the dvd was clicking it booted. But now it gets error and i cant flash the tsop. It now says wrong file size. Im trying to flash it with slayers 2.0 boot disk. still need help here
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on April 21, 2003, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE (52volts @ Apr 21 2003, 07:02 PM)
Damm I've tried for hours and still no luck. I somehow got a bad flash about 25% of the way and now i can only boot up with a matrix in place. Following somkey's way to the "T" i finally got the unit to boot up in mode 3 with "matrix tsop flash"(took about 1hr of moving the chip around). Here the problem now, the xbox booted with slayer's 2.0 cd and when trying to flsah tsop I get "manufactures ID ff Device ID ff !!unknown flash type!!". So does this mean the Tsop is totally f***up?

Shit. then that means that the TSOP has some how been damaged or at least the bios info was scrambled... i can across this problem with an xbox my friend killed and now think that there are some things that can screw up the TSOP...
jamminj606: it sounds that the xbox motherboard was flashed with the matrix_tsop Bios. because the error you explain is a bios issue kicking the matrix ass some how. so it is like firing back at the matrix or something. some bios you used is defeating the purpose. i am gonna study it some more and try to come up with a solution.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: Ubergeek on April 22, 2003, 12:51:00 AM
is it a coincedence that this threda for repairing fucked up tsopss has received over 3900 views ?

I just find that real amusing wink.gif
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on April 22, 2003, 11:51:00 AM
Is it possible to reflash a blank TSOP with an LPC mod? If not, will it ever be possible?
Not yet, if at all ever. the reason is because it takes full ownership of the LPC when it boots up. so if were to flash it would no be cunfused which chip to flash. even if you were to take the chip out in process, it would still look for the LPC chip. unlike the matrix bios that overrides that command...
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: alexh on April 22, 2003, 03:09:00 PM
I was just curious about the limitations of a v1.2 Xbox, as it only has a 2Mbit TSOP flash?

Older Xbox's have an 8Mbit TSOP flash correct?

So Xbox v1.2 can never have a multibios without a modchip (or something) because the original bios uses all the flash?

Thanks

Alex
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: 52volts on April 22, 2003, 04:35:00 PM
If I can boot up the xbox with the matrix flashed with the flash tsop bios, does it mean that my onboard tsop can be repaired ???
By the way it was a bitch to even boot up the system, takes about 10 mins of moving the chip around now to just boot.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on April 22, 2003, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE (52volts @ Apr 22 2003, 04:35 PM)
If I can boot up the xbox with the matrix flashed with the flash tsop bios, does it mean that my onboard tsop can be repaired ???
By the way it was a bitch to even boot up the system, takes about 10 mins of moving the chip around now to just boot.

Yes, if you can get it to boot with the matrix then it is flashable. assuming you have the ground connected to T1. it should be repairable.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: 52volts on April 22, 2003, 06:38:00 PM
Well im sick of tired of adjusting the matrix for about 10mins for each boot. The werid thing is if I use evox d6 bios on the matrix the system is really easy to align, and boots instantly. But if the matrix is flashed with the matrix_tsop it just dosen't want to boot easily. And when it does boot i cant flash the tsop. Now I know that after it boots using the matrix_tsop flash, my alignment is hosed(becaseu the screw has to be loose and the chip is sliding around for about 10mins until the system boots, its impossible to hold the chip in that spot). The question is will the matrix have to still be align after the xbox boots for me to flash the Tsop ? Oh and if I get the matrix align and booted with the Evox D6 and flash the matrix chip with the matrix_tsop shoudln't the chip be align enough for the xbox to boot in mode 3 and grounding the T1 ? (its not booting, unless i loosen the screw and wiggle the chip liek hell). Oh and I tried flashing the chip via matrix programmer and evox no effect on booting still can't flash once it boots.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: 52volts on April 23, 2003, 12:01:00 AM
Alright I give up, my tsop is totally toasted. I solder the the matrix to my xbox using header pins. Evox d6 works and boots up my xbox fine. I flashed the matrix with the matrix tsop put it in mode 3 and the xbox just turns on and off, on the 3 try it stays on with a blank screen. Now my question is about the 29 wire mod fix. How do i do it ???
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: ronfar623 on April 24, 2003, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE
Now my question is about the 29 wire mod fix. How do i do it ???

Well, first you have to find a 29-wire mod.  From what I hear, they are pretty hard to come by these days, but I have to admit that I haven't really done any searching.  The idea of soldering 29 wires to pads the size of a pinhead just really didn't appeal to me.  I had enough trouble just getting the T1 wire to stay in place.  blink.gif   The method I read to fix a TSOP with a 29-wire mod involved soldering the mod in place, booting from it, then cutting every wire one by one so that when you flash, the data goes to your TSOP instead of the mod.  Basically, you only get one shot at it.  Hope that helps!
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: jamminj606 on April 24, 2003, 06:21:00 PM
Well, I put off fixing the bad xbox and flashed a normal xbox just fine with the matrix.  I'm thinking you guys are right about a totally dead bios being unflashable, as it didnt work for me.  Also, a while ago I had another xbox with a bad flash which I tried to fix with a 29-wire homebrew.  The chip worked, but it would NOT flash the tsop (after cutting the wires) so I had to leave the chip in for the system to work.  Maybe a really bad flash can totally corrupt a bios beyond repair (other than a bios replacement/lpc mod).
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: FIREitUP on April 24, 2003, 10:58:00 PM
hmm, dont you have to connect a wire from the d0 or something, i read a tutorial
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: queasy on April 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM
is there still no solution for doing this with a v 1.1 MB??? I flashed my TSOP with a 512 version of my xbox original bios. I have the switch wired with #19 in the center and ground and +vcc on the outside pins. I had the switch installed and booted through my TSOP to evox and flashed with the switch in on postion. upon booting again I get the 2 flas and frag. I see lots of help here for v 1.0 boxes but is there any help for 1.1 boxes yet???
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: FIREitUP on May 12, 2003, 01:46:00 PM
i didnt know this didnt work with version 1.1 mobo, i tried it and now i get FRAG with hd beeping without matrix on...any help??
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: lsmod on May 12, 2003, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE (ronfar623 @ Apr 22 2003, 06:01 PM)
I read in another forum that the Matrix_TSOP_Flash image needs at least one working BIOS image on your TSOP in order to work. 

OK, if this true, then this is a far cry from Smokeingit's original claim that it will work with the TSOP in any state.

Not trying to dis anyone, just trying to understand.

I have a 1.0 xbox with nothing usable in the TSOP (screwed something up with Raincoat). It runs fine with the Matrix enabled, but if I load the Matrix_TSOP bios it won't boot. (regardless of the T1 wire)

Am I correct in assuming that if the xbox will run from the matrix (EvoX D.6.blue) that the matrix is properly aligned? So if I then load the Matrix/TSOP bios using EvoXdash and it won't boot, I'm truly hosed here?

Given that, are there any other ways (this side of desoldering the chip) to rewrite the onboard flash? It's not a big deal, I do have the Matrix, and couldn't care less about live, but it would be nice to recover the TSOP.

Thanks,
-Z
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: chuckfredgoose on June 01, 2003, 10:54:00 AM
The Matrix Fix will not work on a v1.1 xbox nor a v1.2 right?
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: smokeingit on June 01, 2003, 12:46:00 PM
i was able to repair TSOP's that customers just erased and didnt program back. i fixed flash's with the wrong bios from cusomters... if you dont get the T1 wire right then it wong matter what you do. it will keep giving you hell. and the matrix fix does not work with 1.1 or 1.2
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: cRaZy-X on August 07, 2003, 10:50:00 PM
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Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: Ceth on August 14, 2003, 10:18:00 PM
QUOTE
I soldered a wire to the T1 point and got ready for the ground. Then I aligned the matrix (flashed with EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.bin) to make the xbox flash orange/red/green in mode4. Then I ground the T1 point and switched the matrix over to mode3. After that, it just gives me the flashing red/green/orange lights. The stupid dvd tray wont even open (it makes a loud clicking sound over and over).
Anyone know what Im doing wrong?


Basically when booting in MODE 3, nothing appears on the screen, DVD clicking sound and won't open, and eject led flashes green/amber/red intermittently.  MODE 2 & 4 render exact same results.  MODE 1, however boots original bios flawlessly, and DVD drive works as per normal.

Does this sound like an alignment issue?  I've tested my alignment with a DMM as stated in the diagrams... but I have no clue why it just won't boot anything.
Title: Fixing Tsop With Matrix, Smokey's Perfect Way
Post by: Ceth on August 14, 2003, 11:04:00 PM
Allright I did make some improvement... I put the matrix into MODE 4 to test if its connected properly.  It took me a few tries but I got it.  However, instead of Green/Amber eject led flashing, I got a solid green led and the xbox booted the original bios!  Probably because this is the first time I'm flashing my TSOP.

So I switched matrix to MODE 3 and connected T1.  This time when powered on, it beeped then shut off.  It powered itself on again, beeped then shut off again.  It did it a third time, only it didn't shut itself down... it flashed Green/Red on the eject led.

Once again I'm clueless as to why.  Any suggestions?