Post by: Jsmith on December 23, 2002, 01:49:00 PM
The innovation that the Matrix team accomplished, wasn't the 1mb bios...it was the fact that it was an add-on to a modchip. Something that has never been done before.
If it's so easy and so not a big deal, then why doesn't Team Xecutor step up and release a 1mb addon for Xecutor 1 with a flasher. Or...release a new modchip with these features that can piggyback and sit on top of Xecutor 1 instead of leaving their first customers in the dust.
All tables on all websites describing Xecutor 1 said it was flashable, and Team Xecutor knew it essentially wasn't but let this occur anyway. As a result, Team Xecutor did not deliver on the goods and said 'screw you' to all their customers (kinda like how they had no problem by releasing a marketing promotion implying only 1 solder point when there were actually over 10).
The Matrix Team was loyal to their customer base... by releasing a cheap add-on rather than forcing them to buy a whole new modchip. Team Xecutor was not. In fact Xecutor 1 customers are even more screwed because we can't even safely uninstall the Xecutor without professional equipment meaning we don't even have the choice of switching modchips...yet still Team Xecutor hasn't stepped up and released anything to help us out (or at least deliver on the flashing of the bios part that was promised to us).
Oh...and I almost forgot. I can't believe how Team Xecutor also bashed the Evolution-X dashboard team for releasing In-Game-Reset in their dashboard. Without that I would have no way of doing In-Game-Reset (since Xecutor 1 isn't flashable). That just shows you how little Team Xecutor cares about their customer base.
Hey Matrix Team...ever think of releasing an add-on for Xecutor 1?
Post by: nasis x. on December 23, 2002, 03:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jsmith @ Dec 23 2002, 09:49 PM) |
| Hey Matrix Team...ever think of releasing an add-on for Xecutor 1? |
Sorry... add-on or plug-in ..?
Post by: Doop! on December 23, 2002, 03:38:00 PM
why can't we all just get along!?
Post by: Ceth on December 23, 2002, 03:40:00 PM
Just one more thing to add...
| QUOTE |
| when your product relies on our software - so we still don't get that either ? |
First of, we all know that Matrix DOES NOT rely only on xecuter bios. Sure its a damn nice one, but ITS NOT THE ONLY ONE! I use evox 2.6 and have yet to find a reason to switch to xecuter.
AND it IS a GREAT add-on because this gives me (the "customer") more options as to whether I want to upgrade or not. Maybe I don't need a 1mb bios for what I want to do. So who's bashing who now?
Now I can't comment about xecuter customer support, but Xodus support is increadable. I had an email reply within 2 hours. I'm also very pleased to see xodus standing by their customers and releasing an add-on.
No complaints here for the Matrix. Great job!
Post by: crackz0r on December 23, 2002, 03:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (priz @ Dec 23 2002, 11:34 PM) |
| yep i agree to, i'll never by i modchip from xecuter just for there comment they made on the release of the 1mb bios xodus is releasing. There just pist cause matrix buyers won't buy there x2lite or x2pro now. So there trying to make them look bad. |
i just ordered a matrix chip, after ordering and installing one in my boss' xbox, i liked it a lot and decided to get one for mine. i was planning on ordering an x2pro for my other box when it's released, but yer right.. team xecuter seems to have a bit of foot-in-mouth syndrome.. besides, even if i were to buy a solder solution modchip, it would prolly just be a matrix 1mb.. it's cheap as hell after all..
Post by: POTF on December 23, 2002, 07:33:00 PM
I would be upset too if another dashboard group could offer the same features on 256k bios making a 1meg bios chip pointless (for the time being). I would be upset if a previously better modchip made an addon to catch up to something I have just created. I can see why they would be angry, but bitching about it, does that help?
They seem to be in it only for the money, not that other chips aren't, but they are rude and try to attack other groups to promote their chip. I don't know about you, but these are not good business tactics. I was very much looking forward to X2 Pro, but quickly changed my mind when they didn't ever decide a release date, I think for a while X2 Lite was suppose to be out Nov 25th (as posted on some of the sites they suggested to buy from). However wasn't it only released mid-December? The other thing was their constant immature attacks at Matrix owners (even if they said they were only joking).
One last note.. they claimed they like owned the rights, or deserved credit for the in game reset. Matrix did a very polite job of telling them to shove it up their ass, that it was free to public, and their's was not Bios based as X2's was. That showed good class, compared to just putting them down with other words or calling them names.
Post by: Troll123 on December 23, 2002, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: knowledgeiv on December 23, 2002, 07:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Troll123 @ Dec 24 2002, 02:48 AM) |
| I 100% agree also. Team executer while I enjoy their mods/bios's and software, they are very extremely arrogant. |
Agreed; you wrapped up my feelings in 1 statement.
Post by: ZildjianKX on December 23, 2002, 08:56:00 PM
Also, they always claim the Matrix Team is in it for the money since they only release hardware... but I've never heard them once bash the OpenXBOX since its no longer their competition. Both the Openxbox and the Matrix were the most innovative chips to date and have greatly helped the scene... and the X2 chip is neither innovative nor aiding the scene.
Post by: nautiazn85 on December 23, 2002, 09:21:00 PM
Personally, I think X2 is a great product; but I wouldn't buy it because of the attitude X2 shows to the public. It's quite pathetic.
Oh and by the way... X2 was always supposed to be "cheaper" than competitors, but in fact... it's damn near the same price...
Matrix w/ a programmer is $59
X2:Lite is $44 + $20+ pogo pins = $64+ for a mod with pogo pins (without programmer).
X2:Pro is $more than x2:lite + $20+ pogo pins = over $64 for a mod with pogo pins (with programmer).
Post by: trasixes on December 23, 2002, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: aziwoof on December 23, 2002, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: nfmus on December 24, 2002, 12:20:00 AM
What I don't find amusing is the effect it has on some weak minded individuals. But I give up here, no matter what you do or how you do it there are people that instead of doing some research on their own would rather take the words of a shit house lawyer to heart. And the shit house lawyers / fan boys that enjoy making up "facts" because they know that Little Johnny will believe it.
And for some of you that just popped into the scene 2 weeks ago, this "flame war" between the teams has been going on for quite a while now. It does suck but all we can do about it is ignore it and try to continue supporting one another with facts based on experience.
Post by: GheTo V on December 24, 2002, 02:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dark Schneider @ Dec 24 2002, 06:58 AM) | ||||
| Quote from: Troll123,Dec 23 2002, 08:48 PM Is it wrong that I find their arrogance refreshing and fun? Post by: biosboy on December 24, 2002, 05:40:00 AM 
Post by: biosboy on December 24, 2002, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: Jsmith on December 24, 2002, 08:10:00 AM I made the original post here. I'm glad to see that Team Xecutor has responded to the many threads concerning their bashing of competitors. My respect for them has risen again (not all the way yet, but maybe with time). As brought to light by biosboy here is Team Xecutor's response: "Original Post by ubergeek of Team Xecuter It seems a lot of people on xbox-scene think we were wrong to retaliate against Matrix with their "RRP Lies" comments towards us. It wasnt a reply taken as a team it was a reply by myself and I shouldn't have done it as it was stupid and childish. It is strange how we get pounced on for retaliating to a blatant slur, but at the end of the day it helps no one to answer a stupid question with a stupid answer. The team as a whole will endeavour to produce many new software products to make the xbox experience that much more fun no matter what mod you use. We'll continue to help design better mods and competition is all good and healthy, although it should ever degenerate into a stupid ass flame war. Its not only stupid but boring too. Unfortunatley the flames are fanned by one too many ignorant idiots who seem hell bent on causing trouble, this cannot be helped and these people in no way speak for Xecuter. In future we'll simply let the software and electronics do the talking. PS For the last time (we really dont want to say this again) - we never once promised or offered any update to Xecuter1. There wasn't even any question of updates back then. It was the first LPC mod on the market and we simply didnt see any use for it at the time. We did say we would look at a possible updater as a seperate add-on, but we never once said it was a feature. In fact 6 months later Xecuter1 STILL works - so enough already with the mis- informed bashing. PPS you HAVE to get the new neXgen release" Post by: ZildjianKX on December 24, 2002, 10:32:00 AM 
Post by: Jsmith on December 24, 2002, 11:17:00 AM
 haha...yeah that part was a little fishy. More than likely the giveaway has been planned for weeks to compete with the Matrix giveaway that just finished. But I can't blame them for trying to be slick.I'm still upset with them that Xecutor 1 isn't flashable despite what all those tables said, and I still think their marketing campaign was sneaky and deceptive concerning the soldering involved, but I guess I'm less mad about how they bashed competitor's decisions and products, as it seems it was only the oppinion of one of them and not the whole team. I'm making one assumption here...and that's that previous postings of theirs was similar to this one in that it wasn't an official release approved by the Team, but just the oppinion of one member. If however it is the case that the whole/most of the team is pissed off at Evolution-X dashboard team for included IGR (which only really benefits those consumers, including their own, which can't get new bios), then I'm still pissed at them. They're off the hook on the new Matrix remarks though. Post by: BenJeremy on December 24, 2002, 09:58:00 PM
Where do I sign up for this contest?? I'd love to be able to do a review of the Lite (I'm probably getting a Pro later on, anyways)
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