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Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: Wes Ide on December 22, 2002, 06:19:00 PM
I think the topic and description sum it up, but why does it matter?  Why is it a big thing that Matrix will go from 256k to 1m?  What can it do now that it couldn't before?  What's it matter?
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: deltop on December 22, 2002, 06:25:00 PM
At the moment all bioses are 256k unless your using a debug bios.

But who knows what goodies may be round the corner that may require a larger bios!
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: =ByTcHS|AppA= on December 22, 2002, 06:45:00 PM
For everybody to run round and say - "I've got a bigger bios than you - na na na na na na" - or like ppl wif big cars...compensating for something else...
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: krazyK on December 22, 2002, 07:10:00 PM
The xBox comes with a 1mb bios to begin with so having a modchip bios of the same size only makes sense. Soon enough the 256kb bios that is common now will not be enough by the end of the xBox's life cycle.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: cykiller on December 22, 2002, 07:11:00 PM
matrix is mainly thinking about the future, getting or not doesnt matter, no real good things for it now, kinda how when u first  brought your box and now u have god things coming to u biggrin.gif
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Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: krazyK on December 22, 2002, 07:18:00 PM
QUOTE (cykiller @ Dec 23 2002, 02:11 AM)
matrix is mainly thinking about the future, getting or not doesnt matter, no real good things for it now, kinda how when u first  brought your box and now u have god things coming to u biggrin.gif
muhaha.gif

Well said!
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: mickey123 on December 22, 2002, 08:37:00 PM
that's what competition is about better products and a cheaper price.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: crackz0r on December 22, 2002, 08:50:00 PM
the price of the 1mb is attractive for sure, especially since it can be used as a soldered standalone.. personally i'd rather not solder a damn thing, although i'm fairly good at it.. anywayz..
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: crackz0r on December 22, 2002, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE (Col.Havoc @ Dec 23 2002, 05:07 AM)
I'm still contemplating on whether or not to get the addon for it. I'll have to wait and see if it is truly worth the wile.

Anyways, does anyone actually know yet how it attaches to the Matrix? I'm guessing it will be across the tops of the pogo pins or on top of the previous chip somehow.

on top of the pogo pins would make the most sense i think..  although it would prolly have to disable the other chip somehow right? oh well who knows.. i'm still waiting for my matrix to arrive (damn holiday mail is gonna be the death of me), but i don't think i'll be bothering with this upgrade until it becomes a necessity.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: POTF on December 22, 2002, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE (Allistar @ Dec 23 2002, 12:41 AM)
What do you consider the pogo pin adapter for the executer then?

Too little, too late. (After the New Year's? Come on.)
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: SoulMaster on December 22, 2002, 10:57:00 PM
Yeah, but who really wants to use the pogo adapter. Whoops, it came loose. Gotta get in and straighten it out.
Do this about 5 times and you will be ready to solder.
Solder rules all.
SoulMaster
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: Nailed on December 22, 2002, 11:17:00 PM
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Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: deltop on December 23, 2002, 03:08:00 AM
I agree, I just bought my xbox so I could have gone down 2 different routes.

Matrix(non-solder) or X-Ecuter 2(solder). I took the solder option with pin-header. Because I'm reasonable competent at soldering and liked the way it's easy to add switches plus I can use 2 different bioses. I can also easily remove the chip if necessary.

However I do know a friend who can't solder and I'm not so good at it that I wouldn't worry about frying his board. So I'll be getting a matrix for him. Or possible an X-Ecuter 2 with pogo pin adapter depending on when it's released.

Competition can only be good for us it gives us more choices and encourages inovation.

So I'm all for both chips, in the end it's us the end users that benefit.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: biosboy on December 23, 2002, 07:31:00 AM
QUOTE (Allistar @ Dec 23 2002, 05:41 AM)
QUOTE (gamerx @ Dec 22 2002, 08:54 PM)
I think matrix is just trying to cover their ass to keep their share of the market and try to keep people from going with x2 instead.

What do you consider the pogo pin adapter for the executer then?

Thought so.  rolleyes.gif

cecuter THEMSELVES said that doing the pogo adapter was lame and they didnt want to even get into it

they are only offering it for idiot noobs like you

in the meantime i'm using the superior and cheaper x2

game on !
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: biosboy on December 23, 2002, 07:32:00 AM
QUOTE (Allistar @ Dec 23 2002, 06:04 AM)
QUOTE (POTF @ Dec 22 2002, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Allistar @ Dec 23 2002, 12:41 AM)
What do you consider the pogo pin adapter for the executer then?

Too little, too late. (After the New Year's? Come on.)

I agree.  However, it's still an attempt to "gain market share" as our little friend above tried to rationalize.

Are people who diss the matrix just pissed off that they bought a solder chip before the matrix came out or something? I don't understand all the hate towards the matrix.  The "costs more" point is nonsense, the "but it doesnt need to be soldered" point is also invalid.  As long as there's a strong electrical connection, it's as good as or better (no need to desolder if you decide to remove the modchip) than any of the available solder chips.  The "in it for the money" line can be taken one of several ways.  If they're fans of x-ecuter, then they also have to keep in mind that they're releasing a pogo-pin adapter to get INTO the non-solder market.

Why can't we all agree to disagree and stop trying to bash one thing or another?  I've seen one too many people in #xbox-scene and #xbox on efnet spewing lines of bullshit so that the matrix sounds bad, in favor of the x-ecuter.

the hate is trhere cus all you noobs look at them like they did something ?

all they did was copy a FREE design and sell it for a LOT of profit - and you all kiss their asses

and xecuter are doing the pogo adapter ONLY cus they're sick of being asked for it. In their words its lame and is a disastor and will only be clear how shit it is the in the fullness of time - they also DISCOURAGE you from buying it - yeah they really wanna get you to pay as much money as possible lol

fucking idiots the lot of you
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: Potenza on December 23, 2002, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE (Col.Havoc @ Dec 23 2002, 04:07 AM)
I'm still contemplating on whether or not to get the addon for it. I'll have to wait and see if it is truly worth the wile.

Anyways, does anyone actually know yet how it attaches to the Matrix? I'm guessing it will be across the tops of the pogo pins or on top of the previous chip somehow.

On the connection for the programmer?
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: digitalman42 on December 23, 2002, 02:42:00 PM
I dont get why some of the nerds on here would rather solder than screw in a mod chip, hell I would rather just plug in into a USB port if I could but I know they cant make them like that.  Still anyone that would rather solder then screw in a screw is a retard, I dont get it, my friend has a Matrix and I had a Enigma, my Enigma screwed up my Xbox because of the "getting hot then cold" crap.  And I got it professionally installed by a company around here, and his Matrix that he bought with a Refurb Xbox is working %100, he installed it himself, it came loose one time when his gf dropped his Xbox 3 ft, he took it apart put it back in very tight, never came loose sense, so I think i'll be buying a Matrix next.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: SoulMaster on December 23, 2002, 03:04:00 PM
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Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: Potenza on December 24, 2002, 01:54:00 AM
I'm really fed up with all of this solder vs no solder debate. Who cares? Why does no solder make you an idiot? Prof. Hawkins can't solder, does that make him an idiot?

Why do people find it difficult to admit that the pogo pins was a good IDEA. It might not be the most secure way of fixing a chip, but still it was a good idea.

And please, soldering is not God, it to has its downsides.

Don't you peoplke see that both x-ecuter and Xodus teams are trying to make you believe they are the best at what they do? What they are doing is market there products (so did Nasis-X, although he really sucks at marketing).

I'm gonne say this one more time: each and every team contributed in some way to the scene, wheter you like it or not.

It's only idiots that want to feel important in life, who start bashing, solder or non solder chips.

I say it is a free world, choose what you like best.
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: blackout_19 on December 24, 2002, 02:06:00 AM
QUOTE
And please, soldering is not God, it to has its downsides


Such as? The only downside that gets a mention is the fact that some people can't solder and screw it up, but that's not the fault of 'soldering'.

soldering is permanent (for as long as you want it to be) has far lower resistance than any pogo adapter and is cheaper. Where are the downsides?
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: Potenza on December 24, 2002, 02:19:00 AM
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edited:

Woohoo promoted!!!
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: biosboy on December 24, 2002, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE (Potenza @ Dec 24 2002, 08:54 AM)
Prof. Hawkins can't solder, does that make him an idiot?

i bet your ass he couldnt install a pogo pin mod either

lol  laugh.gif
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: biosboy on December 24, 2002, 08:05:00 AM
QUOTE (blackout_19 @ Dec 24 2002, 09:06 AM)
The only downside that gets a mention is the fact that some people can't solder and screw it up, but that's not the fault of 'soldering'. Its the fault of the solderER

great point smile.gif
Title: Why Does The Size Of The Bios Matter?
Post by: biosboy on December 24, 2002, 08:08:00 AM
QUOTE (Nailed @ Dec 23 2002, 07:18 PM)
QUOTE
the hate is trhere cus all you noobs look at them like they did something ?

all they did was copy a FREE design and sell it for a LOT of profit - and you all kiss their asses

and xecuter are doing the pogo adapter ONLY cus they're sick of being asked for it. In their words its lame and is a disastor and will only be clear how shit it is the in the fullness of time - they also DISCOURAGE you from buying it - yeah they really wanna get you to pay as much money as possible lol

fucking idiots the lot of you


Biosboy, I just cannot wait until the day you are banned from this forum.  You make noobs asking questions like "what's a modchip?" look smart.  And why is xecuter making a pogopin adapter?  Not cause they're sick of being asked for it, but so they can bring in a bit more cash.  Simple economics.  I sure hope you're not older than 15... cause you have A LOT of growing up to do.

try reading the post they made aboiut it themselves before commenting asshole

they're selling it at COST - yeah a real earner that one

get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee

and please ban me - you think i cant come back - stupid ass ip mask bans - if you think thats protection then you truly do belong amongst the clouds lol wink.gif