Post by: knowledgeiv on December 11, 2002, 07:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (dhg @ Dec 11 2002, 02:32 AM) |
| Why couldnt a guy with aversion 1.1 box boot up with a working bios on the matrix and the ground wire on the tsop line. With a good bios in the bios folder remove matrix after boot and flash as normal through the evox flash tool? |
B/C the special TSOP flash bios was written just for the Matrix and just for v1.0 Xbox. There may be future version released that works with the v1.1, but for now, this can't be done.
You can check out the TSOP flash section of my Matrix tutorial; when flashing the TSOP on v1.1 is possible, it will be posted there.
Post by: MURDERER on December 28, 2002, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: MURDERER on December 29, 2002, 04:29:00 PM
Knowledgeiv Matrix XBOX Tsop flash tutorial!
iMURDERER
Post by: MURDERER on December 30, 2002, 06:48:00 PM
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Post by: MURDERER on January 03, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
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Post by: knowledgeiv on January 03, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (MURDERER @ Jan 3 2003, 11:52 PM) |
| Anyone in here try the no solder method flashing the TSOP, its on knowledgiv TSOP flash page. iMURDERER |
I doubt anyone actually has, since the silve conductive grease is like $30 a tube, but I already had some that I use to unlock Athlon XPs. A silver conductive pen would probably work just as good and they are a lot cheaper.
Post by: gurux_2 on November 10, 2002, 07:50:00 AM
Please tell us when you test it!
Post by: ravencry on November 10, 2002, 08:18:00 AM
IT WORKED!!!!
I managed to flash my Tsop with a MatriX chip with a 1 meg bios file
Here is what i did: (after flashing the Matrix with the new bios from my dash in mode 4, you can flash it with your programmer if you want but I had it flashed in 5 seconds using Evox)
1) Got a file called EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.zip from the usual place and Extracted the file and it had 4 pictures and a 256k bios file named EvoX_MatriX_TSOP_flash.bin
2) I studied the pics and followed the 4 steps
3) After connecting the suggested points shown in the pics (W1 to W2, J1, and T1) I installed the Matrix and aligned it with the 3 holes.
4) Before I powered up the Xbox I switched the chip to MODE 3 (this is important) and held the end of th T1 wire on the screw (which I think is just Ground and you can use the Xbox Silver housing and it will still work)
5) I powered up the xbox and the led on the chip turned from green to red stating that the chip was now in the original bios. I let go of the T1 wire (as stated in the pics)
After that The evox dash booted (I dont know how they did it but it works)
I went to the Settings tab and selected Flash BIOS
I selected the EvoX 2.5 Colour Blue 1 megabyte bios file and it stated that it found the ID of the TSOP!
I Clicked 'Y' and it Began to erase the TSOP and after that the Flashing process started!!! You should have seen me jumping with joy!
I now have an Xbox with a flashed tsop and a Matrix chip
What now?
The options are so many! here is what I am going to do next
Use the tutorial on how to have multible bios files on the Tsop and have a setup like this
2x 256k bioses (evox 2.5 and original 4034)
1x 512k bios (devkit or any other 512k bios)
1x 256k bios on the Matrix (playing with evox to flash it with anything new)
I never doubted the Evox skills and the capabilities of the MatriX chip and this makes it even better now that more features are out for it!
Thank you EVOX and Xodus Team for your effort
Post by: xbox_freak!! on November 10, 2002, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: gurux_2 on November 10, 2002, 08:31:00 AM
Thanx ravencry for the detailed steps.
Xodus Team hasnt announced anything about this yet but I am sure they will since this a HUGE feature for the MatriX users!
So you have a grand total of 5 bioses no play with! (if using 4 on tsop and 1 on matrix)
Thats 1024k on TSOP and 256k on Matrix... So the fact that larger bios files will come out is not an issue any more right?
Thats it, I am ordering a Matrix tommorow!
Post by: xbox_freak!! on November 10, 2002, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: king_azza on November 10, 2002, 09:21:00 AM
but y not just use your matrix?
what does the flashing of the tsop allow you to do different to the matrix
Post by: xbox_freak!! on November 10, 2002, 09:24:00 AM
plus eliminating the need for the matrix making the xbox more portable not worring about the matrix coming off or losing contact with the xbox motherboard.
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 10, 2002, 09:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (king_azza @ Nov 10 2002, 04:21 PM) |
| thankyou for the help.. but y not just use your matrix? |
simple...
1. flash your tsop, take out your Matrix.
2. Go to a friend that has a Xbox tell him you'll Mod there Xbox to play burnt games for $20 (remind them that the cheapest chips are more than this and require them to wait for it to be shipped, not to mention many wires or solderpoints) they'll gladly pay you when you can do there system in a few min.
3. Flash their box, and take out your matrix chip.
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 to every kid in the neighborhood and become a rich man
Now, I must go rush and find the zip file.
Post by: xbox_freak!! on November 10, 2002, 09:39:00 AM
check it out here http://www.x-ecuter.com i'm not sure about sizing down of the bios I doubt it will happen but keep ur eyes and ears open for more info.
Post by: roundyz on November 10, 2002, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: ravencry on November 10, 2002, 10:04:00 AM
You can take advantage of the whole TSOP now ( full 1 megabyte )
So there is no worry about it not working on your matrix
Stay posted because I am working on the setup I talked about above
Post by: bagel5009 on November 10, 2002, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 10, 2002, 10:55:00 AM
Thanks
P.S. I also remember that trying to align the chip while not in Mode 1 could potentially fry the xbox, what are there means for testing for alignment if the chip is in mode 3 and the light will always remain red?
Post by: gurux_2 on November 10, 2002, 11:05:00 AM
from the text it sais it doesnt matter idf u connect the other 2 pins... so u can solder all last 3 pins to the W1 point
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 10, 2002, 12:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (POTF @ Nov 10 2002, 07:07 PM) |
| Oh, and one other thing to point out. Wasn't the purpose of the Matrix to keep people from having to solder. This should be fun to see. |
For a one time deal, why not try tape
Post by: duff on November 10, 2002, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (POTF @ Nov 10 2002, 07:07 PM) | ||
ravencry I guess you are making that statement cause you own and have tested the X-ecuter 2 right? Oh, and one other thing to point out. Wasn't the purpose of the Matrix to keep people from having to solder. This should be fun to see. |
The X-2 doesn't need this anyway as it already has a 1Mb flash. Also, I believe there is only a couple wires to solder, that shouldn't be much of a problem for most people who have harldy any experience in soldering. Like ziggy said, you could use some kind of apoxy to keep the new wires in place since you only have to have the wires conected while flashing the TSOP.
The bottom line that this is great news for those of us with a matrix! It was a great chip, now it's better.
Post by: ravencry on November 10, 2002, 01:32:00 PM
Evox posted on their channel that the mode the chip is in does all the work
it will not work on other lpc mods like bioxx cheapmod and xecuter2
i didnt say it just because i have a matrix
its a fact
Post by: jaredkortje on November 10, 2002, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: POTF on November 10, 2002, 02:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (ravencry @ Nov 10 2002, 03:32 PM) |
| it will not work on other lpc mods like bioxx cheapmod and xecuter2 |
How can you know this if they aren't out?
Post by: vulgusprofanum on November 10, 2002, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: Cornholio on November 10, 2002, 04:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (POTF @ Nov 10 2002, 09:42 PM) |
| How can you know this if they aren't out? |
...Because none of them work like the Matrix in "Mode 3", perhaps ?
It only works because of the way the Matrix switches between its BIOS and the TSOP in that particular mode.
| QUOTE |
| The only reason I would need a 512k bios if for xbox ver. 1.1 support. So to mod a new xbox, someone will have to make a 256k 1.1 bios. I think this is still a ways away. |
Good point. You still won't be able to flash a 1.1 box unless EvoX release a version of this BIOS that fits in 256K and works on a 1.1 box.
I see NO reason whatsoever why a 1.1 BIOS would need more than 256K, though. EvoX can do it. They rock.
Post by: gurux_2 on November 10, 2002, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: POTF on November 10, 2002, 05:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cornholio @ Nov 10 2002, 06:50 PM) |
| ...Because none of them work like the Matrix in "Mode 3", perhaps ? |
Well we have no proof it won't.
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 10, 2002, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Sheriff on November 10, 2002, 05:58:00 PM
Okay, I got everything soldered and put into place, flashed the new bios and booted up in mode 3 with the ground on. Everything worked great! I started the flash of the tsop and it was about half way through and then just stoped? Now when I fire it up nothing happens the light just flashes red and amber very fast?I am thinking the tsop got messed up and I am now screwed for this nice feature? The Matrix still boots fine if I reflash it with a normall bios.
Any suggestions would be great!
Sheriff
Post by: gurux_2 on November 10, 2002, 06:33:00 PM
just try it again
do the process again
Post by: Sheriff on November 10, 2002, 07:58:00 PM
I get the xbox working off the matrix running evox2.5 256k bios with no trouble.
Once I have it running in mode 4 I flashed the matrix with the evox_matrix_tsop_flash.bios and then shut down. Fliped over to mode 3 and turned it back on and all I get is red and amber flashing very fast?
Is it possible if you mess up the tsop during a flash you can erase it and try again? All I can think of is the tsop is messed up.
Sheriff
Post by: ZildjianKX on November 10, 2002, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 05:32:00 AM
To begin with, it works.
I had not had the opportunity to try a Matrix before, and I was a bit worried about the pogo pins, so I decided to try the TSOP flash in the hopes of removing the Matrix.
After viewing several photos of Matrix installations AFTER the chip was removed, I can understand why it has so many problems and why the pogo pins are NOT a good idea.
Solder is relatively soft and maleable. The Matrix attempts to imbed the pins INTO the solder with the pressure exerted by the screw.
Over time the solder will bend (actually it melts a little) to give way to the pins. This results in the indentations you see after removing the Matrix. It also explains why people are having problems with the chip not working after some time goes by. The solder has "moved out of the way" so to speak of the pins reducing contact. Ugh not good.
Anyway it took 3-5 flash attempts before the Matrix Flashing "took" on my P4 850EMV motherboard. The flash verified fine as well. I flashed using the TSOP flash bin released yesterday.
I created a Evolution-X 1.8.2813 HD install disk with the EvoX 2.5, blue, err, ybox bios I made using FanCBox from the EvoX2.5 release bin.
On this disk I had also copied a 4034 rev level setup from another machine as I was also attempting a hard disk install at the same time.
The disk was created using RecordNowMax in data mode. I verified that it would boot on two older machines before proceeding.
I utilized a "pin point" 12 watt Weller soldering iron. These irons are MUCH smaller than the pencil and pen point irons most of you are using. The tip litterally IS a pin point in size.
With this iron there is little chance of lifted rings or traces as the heat is simply too low. Along with this I use low temperature solder as an added safety measure.
I bridged the jumper without problem by tinning the iron and letting the solder "bubble" a bit. After this I scraped off any excess leaving the tip of the iron shiny. This left just enough solder on the iron to easily bridge the jumper points.
Likewise I used the same technique to affix the wires to the rather tiny rings.
It helps to have a large lighted bench magnifying glass while doing this.
I purposely used as little solder as possible on the ground wire as I knew I would be removing it as soon as I was done.
Aligning the Matrix without the LED proved to be a bit of a chore and it took me about seven attempts to discover the proper strength and alignment.
I found that I had to tighten the mod chip down MUCH TIGHTER than I expected given the plastic base, but yet not enough to ruin the plastic itself. With insufficient torque the Matrix would not properly contact the grounding point next to the smiley face on the chip.
Newbies be aware of this. It must be firmly affixed but you must be very careful as you'll be on the verge of breaking the plastic post. Ugh.
The Xbox booted to the solid red LED on the matrix as I held the ground wire on the screw. The voltage is about 5v or so, so there is no problem of shock holding it by hand.
I let go of the ground wire and my previously created CD booted right up.
Selecting the Bios Flashing item identified the bios as a Hyndai chip an it proceeded to erase the bios. I had a bit of trepidation at this point as I was worried that maybe this particular Xbox might not be able to read the bios file from the CD.
I've never have had the problems everyone reports with CD reads as I always use DVD-R's that have behaved flawlessly. This time things were no different as the flashing completed succesfully and the Xbox shut itself off.
I unpluged the cord, removed the Matrix, reconnected and booted the Xbox with the now blue "X" logo from my HD Prep CD.
So far so good!
I quickly removed the old hard drive and replaced it with a brand new WD 1200DJ drive, again rebooted from the CD and let the HDPrep run.
This took about 5 minutes and included transfering the contents of the other identical Xbox to the hard drive. After it was finished I selected the fix attributes command and let it run.
Finally I ran boXplorer from the CD which I had added to the HDPrep CD's Menu to run from the DVD, and used it to rename the Evolution-X dashboard to yboxdash.xbe.
Upon a reboot I had a ready to go Xbox with a flashed TSOP and no mod chip to burden it electrically, or that would be knocked out of alignment.
The Matrix went into a anti-static bag awaiting a future date with another Xbox.
Completion Times
Flashing Matrix & Verification: 6 minutes
Wiring Xbox: 1hr 20mins as I dismantled it complete and verified all points.
Installing Matrix: 30 minutes of screwing around learning the proper setup.
Swapping drives: 20 minutes which included prepping the new drive using the CD
Post by: DairyDevil on November 11, 2002, 11:08:00 AM
The question was (kind of) raised earlier in this thread but never answered:What happens if I borrow my friends Matrix and manages to screw up the original BIOS?
Or is the question not applicable i.e. as long as the Matrix is working I just flash until it is uploaded correctly in the TSOP?
Also is it possible to restore the old original BIOS in the TSOP, and in that case do i need to have the matrix temporary installed again?
Sorry if I'm raising stupid questions and thanx for answers /DD
Post by: Havok on November 11, 2002, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 01:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Havok @ Nov 11 2002, 06:22 PM) |
| If you screw up your onboard TSOP you can not fix it with a matrix... need at 29 wire chip to reflash the onboard bios... Opjose -- Yep dont own a matrix so wouldnt have thought of it in detail but yeah creep would be a bitch with solder under heavy pressure... I think thats what made me go into science when I was little... people telling me that Glass is actually a liquid and stuff.. |
LOL.
Yes glass and plastics....
Anyway yes, this is the first time I used a Matrix and I can see why Pogo pins are NOT a good idea.
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 01:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (knowledgeiv @ Nov 11 2002, 03:44 PM) | ||
Hey, opjose, would you mind letting us know where you got this. It sounds like a really good tool for this job; I wouldn't even attempt this with the soldering iron I have now. |
It's an old Weller gun that I picked up a few years ago for about 15.00.
It's become my preferred iron for SMD work as the tip and length are so tiny.
The length of the iron is about the width of a soda straw (the metal part of the iron) and the handle is turquoise about the width of a pen.
I don't have a part number as it is unlabeled. But I know it's a Weller.
I have not seen it listed on the web though I have seen one other similiar iron by another company (red handle).
The tip really is a PIN point and the iron makes my other Pencil Irons look huge by comparison, let alone the "standard" sized irons which look monsterous!
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 01:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (DairyDevil @ Nov 11 2002, 06:08 PM) |
| Hi! The question was (kind of) raised earlier in this thread but never answered:What happens if I borrow my friends Matrix and manages to screw up the original BIOS? Or is the question not applicable i.e. as long as the Matrix is working I just flash until it is uploaded correctly in the TSOP? Also is it possible to restore the old original BIOS in the TSOP, and in that case do i need to have the matrix temporary installed again? Sorry if I'm raising stupid questions and thanx for answers /DD |
In ALL cases:
Screw up a TSOP burn and the only fix is a 11/29 wire mod chip.
So don't plan on going around and flashing everyone's Xbox with a single Matrix!
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 11, 2002, 01:56:00 PM
Post by: Havok on November 11, 2002, 03:14:00 PM
everytime increasing your change of screwing up the on board bios...
Post by: ZildjianKX on November 11, 2002, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 04:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (2000ache @ Nov 11 2002, 11:38 PM) | ||
Are you saying the Matrix is damaging the Xbox ? If so, can this be to the extend of rendering the xbox permanently unusable ? FYI, I didn't need to apply THAT much pressure / tork. |
No it is UNLIKELY that this is damaging the Xbox.
The solder "gives" though causing the continual problems people are seeing.
The only fix is to screw things down yet tighter. Ugh.
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 04:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (ZildjianKX @ Nov 11 2002, 10:22 PM) |
| Do you guys think the Xecuter 2 will have more effective pogo pins that don't ruin the xbox over time? |
The V1.1 xboxes seem not to have solder in the holes, for the most part.
I'm hoping that their new mod chips will take advantage of this.
If the pins are properly milled, they can be made to fit right in the unsoldered holes eliminating the problems that the Matrix chips have.
Of course you could also solder the Matrix in, but, ugh why?
The TSOP flash via the Matrix worked for me, so (as long as it doesn't screw up!) this is a better alternative.
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 11, 2002, 04:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 08:56 PM) |
| Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire? |
any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me
)
Post by: majik655 on November 11, 2002, 06:01:00 PM
1. What or how does things go wrong when flashing ON board bios.
If you can get it connected or aligned correctly and it boots up...why would or how does something screw up while flashing on board?
2. If something does happen while flashing on board ... you are screwed ?
You HAVE to get 11/29 wire mod and wire for flashing ??
You CANNOT just flash the matrix on PC and run off that indefinently ??
I know that might suck but things would still work right?
And if that is the case WHY CAN YOU NOT just try again ?
Because you have to have TSOP intact while booting? ( I think I answered my own question...just re assurance)
3. If you have everything soldered ...
Why can't you use test mode to see if it is aligned? Is it because the wiring/soldering screwed up the test mode ? so it shows red or something?
But in MODE 2 it is ok ? (someone has stated he flashed matrix with err.noani. then connected in mode 2 to line up..then switched to mode 3.)
Why mode 2? We know this is bad sinse it can screw up matrix.
I hope these make sense.. Some are just to reassure I understand.
THANK YOU
Post by: majik655 on November 11, 2002, 06:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:59 PM) | ||
any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me ) |
And about your question..
Why do you care? Are you going to leave the matrix IN when your onboard tsop is flashed? Why? (just cuz?) well then you can do anything you want to the matrix. hell you could just leave it a board with a screw in it...
Now if you leave it in with wires... Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground. and everything works fine. But Why ? You still have to go in if you want to do anything.
My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything?
How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ? Or are you not supposed to, and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground?
Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board?
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 11, 2002, 06:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:08 AM) | ||||
And about your question.. Why do you care? Are you going to leave the matrix IN when your onboard tsop is flashed? Why? (just cuz?) well then you can do anything you want to the matrix. hell you could just leave it a board with a screw in it... Now if you leave it in with wires... Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground. and everything works fine. But Why ? You still have to go in if you want to do anything. My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything? How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ? Or are you not supposed to, and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground? Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board? |
I ask this because I want to attempt to do this on my Xbox (and if successful many others) but I don't want the wires to be permanent if they don't have to be.
I'd like to tape the wires in place, flash the tsop, and then remove the matrix and wires so it CAN'T be flashed again unless i replace the wires or install a different chip.
This prevents me (or more importantly the people i do it for) from trying to re-flash their bios and causing problems for themselves and also me.
I don't know if the wires are required to stay for some reason, so i'm asking if it's alright if they are all completly removed after the TSOP is flashed.
And to answer one of your questions...
If you F' up the TSOP when you flash it, you can still flash your Matrix with a Bios and use it, but if you take the Matrix Out your Xbox Won't Boot
Post by: majik655 on November 11, 2002, 06:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:20 AM) |
And to answer one of your questions... If you F' up the TSOP when you flash it, you can still flash your Matrix with a Bios and use it, but if you take the Matrix Out your Xbox Won't Boot |
Hey Thanks for replying..btw hope I didn't sound rude to you..wasn't meaning to..
Anyway ... you say you can reflash the matrix and use it.. I figured that...
But why can't you do the same process again?
Am I missing something? Like maybe the on board TSOP HAS to be able to boot to be able to flash it like this ??
Or you are NOT screwed , because you can just do it again ??
I thought I keep reading .. if you screw or only half flash your on board .. there is no fix to flash it... only a 11/29 wire mod.. if so WHY ?
I am also assuming .. You must keep the wires on (except the ground) to be able to REflash over and over ?? You cannot take out the mod and flash again correct ? if it does HOW?
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 08:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:59 PM) | ||
any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me ) |
After reading your post I decided to check out what was going on.
Leaving the wires in basically permits the TSOP to be flashed.
This begs the question, why bother with the wires when all you need to do is use the jumpers?
In other words, only the one shorting wire would really be needed if you merely jumpered the TSOP flash points AFAIK?
At least this is what my multi-meter tells me?
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 08:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:01 AM) |
| Questions.. or assurances 1. What or how does things go wrong when flashing ON board bios. If you can get it connected or aligned correctly and it boots up...why would or how does something screw up while flashing on board? 2. If something does happen while flashing on board ... you are screwed ? You HAVE to get 11/29 wire mod and wire for flashing ?? You CANNOT just flash the matrix on PC and run off that indefinently ?? I know that might suck but things would still work right? And if that is the case WHY CAN YOU NOT just try again ? Because you have to have TSOP intact while booting? ( I think I answered my own question...just re assurance) 3. If you have everything soldered ... Why can't you use test mode to see if it is aligned? Is it because the wiring/soldering screwed up the test mode ? so it shows red or something? But in MODE 2 it is ok ? (someone has stated he flashed matrix with err.noani. then connected in mode 2 to line up..then switched to mode 3.) Why mode 2? We know this is bad sinse it can screw up matrix. I hope these make sense.. Some are just to reassure I understand. THANK YOU |
1. Re: Wrong
The Xbox may freeze during the flash.
The BIOS may not be read correctly causing the flash to stop.
The power may go out.
The TSOP may be erased but not flashed.
Etc. And YES it has happened to several people here.
2. Re: Screwed
Yes and no.
The Matrix or another LPC mod will work, but you'll be stuck with the LPC mod having to be enabled constantly for the Xbox to work.
E.G. No "virgin" xbox.
With an 11/29 wire mod you can reflash the TSOP and undo the damage.
No, you CANNOT just "try again". The LPC mod takes over totally if the flash is screwed and you CANNOT use the TSOP flash BIOS as well!
You must reflash your Matrix with a "full" BIOS.
3. Yes the wiring screws up Test mod.
Re: reflash err.noani
This is different as it was not using the TSOP flash bios.
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 08:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:08 AM) |
| Now if you leave it in with wires... Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground. and everything works fine. But Why ? You still have to go in if you want to do anything. My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything? How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ? Or are you not supposed to, and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground? Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board? |
If you leave the wire and jumper in, the TSOP flashing -IS- enabled even if you remove the Matrix.
In effect the Matrix is then INCONSEQUENTIAL!
It is IDENTICAL to jumpering the TSOP enable jumpers AFAIK.
Evolution-X can subsequently reflash the bios.
Note: that if you reflash with a non-cracked bios you'll be back to a virgin and possibly non-functional Xbox again!
I left the ground wire taped up just in case I ever had to reflash the Xbox.
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 08:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:41 AM) |
| Anyway ... you say you can reflash the matrix and use it.. I figured that... But why can't you do the same process again? Am I missing something? Like maybe the on board TSOP HAS to be able to boot to be able to flash it like this ?? Or you are NOT screwed , because you can just do it again ?? I thought I keep reading .. if you screw or only half flash your on board .. there is no fix to flash it... only a 11/29 wire mod.. if so WHY ? I am also assuming .. You must keep the wires on (except the ground) to be able to REflash over and over ?? You cannot take out the mod and flash again correct ? if it does HOW? |
You CANNOT do the same process again if you screw up.
Bascially the Matrix "Bios" which you are using is a special "hook" which activates the OEM BIOS.
Once you disable the Matrix the OEM bios is in play which is why you can flash the TSOP. However since the Xbox has already booted the non-signed code, it will continue to run Evolution-X.
This is why the OEM bios (or any WORKING) bios must be present for this technique to work!
So -NO- you cannot do it again if you screw up.
An 11/29 wire flash is required to fix a screw up because it uses the same address space as the OEM bios. In effect the 11/29 wire mod chip looks just like the OEM bios to the system.
What does drive me nuts about the instructions for all of this, is that the wire to the three TSOP pins is not really needed!
All you have to do is enable BOTH the TSOP FLASH jumpers as per the tutorial, then use the single grounding wire.
I suppose that it was done this way to avoid having to remove the motherboard to get to the other jumper.
However I find this rather silly, as the TSOP flash Enable jumpers are easier for people to handle.
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 09:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (thantelius @ Nov 12 2002, 04:11 AM) |
| 1. It's possible reflash the TSOP with a full BIOS, if it's possible where can i find a Full BIOS? 2. Where can i obtain a Matrix modchip 3. Exist a detailed guide with the steps to do a successfully TSOP Flash? Thanks |
1 - Not if you screw up. Evolution-X "extracts" your bios for you.
2 - Did you even look at the front page?
3 - See point 2 above.
Post by: majik655 on November 11, 2002, 10:32:00 PM
Hense the question..I have seen in the past, connections to the "rings" are harder than normal pads. Tin wire, stick THROUGH or IN hole.. add tiny tiny amount more of solder to wire and basically drip down or onto the ring?
Solder has to flow INTO ring? or can be good contact just being on top of the ring.
Hope this makes sense,
I know this is not for amateurs... just a small bit of tips would be GREATLY apprciated.
Thank you
Post by: opjose on November 11, 2002, 11:24:00 PM
http://www.mtechnolo.....Soldering 101
Post by: opjose on November 12, 2002, 01:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (thantelius @ Nov 12 2002, 06:47 AM) |
| 1. Is Matrix evox compatible? 2. Matrix works on all xbox models? 3. With the Flash TSOP method i could still use evox without the modchip? Thnx |
Start with the FAQ's. This is newbie material.
Post by: Zziggy00 on November 12, 2002, 12:49:00 PM
Let me try to ask this once again but wording it a little bit differently.
Lets say I attach all the wires, flash the TSOP successfully...
Can I remove ALL the wires that i placed in to flash the TSOP, INCLUDING the bridged jumper, remove the matrix from the box, close it back up and be able to run the xbox
OR
Do you NEED to leave the wires and jumper in to use the xbox with the newly flashed TSOP.
Post by: MaCRo on November 13, 2002, 12:40:00 AM
Yet, i have one final question:
The wires between W1 & W2, the soldering on J1 and the T1 wire,
should thoose be removed? Or is it just some of them who must stay?
Thanks in advance!
Post by: opjose on November 13, 2002, 01:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 12 2002, 07:49 PM) |
| you guys are gonna hate me Let me try to ask this once again but wording it a little bit differently. Lets say I attach all the wires, flash the TSOP successfully... Can I remove ALL the wires that i placed in to flash the TSOP, INCLUDING the bridged jumper, remove the matrix from the box, close it back up and be able to run the xbox OR Do you NEED to leave the wires and jumper in to use the xbox with the newly flashed TSOP. |
No need to remove the bridge jumpers, just the wires will suffice.
Yes you can remove the wires and close it up and the Xbox runs fine.
The only draw back to this is that you will not be able to reflash the bios.
If you leave the wires in, you can reflash it again WITHOUT(!) the matrix installed.
Remember if you screw up the flash though, you're going to be giving your Matrix away for the Xbox with the problems.
Post by: regulater7 on November 13, 2002, 02:06:00 AM
Post by: opjose on November 13, 2002, 07:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (regulater7 @ Nov 13 2002, 09:06 AM) |
| After you flash the TSOP with the matrix hack and it works 100%. Then you remove both wires. Cant you just bridge the other TSOP jumpers on the back of the motherbaord, and wont you still be able to flash the bios through evox, without any wires / chips..... or am i wrong?? |
Yes if you just bridge the two jumpers you WILL be able to reflash the TSOP, as long as YOU DO NOT use a retail bios.
Post by: opjose on November 13, 2002, 07:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (steinola @ Nov 13 2002, 07:22 PM) | ||
Weller still makes 'em... though the retail price for new is ~ $35. http://shop2.outpost.com/product/64252 |
Cool!
Post by: sebene on November 15, 2002, 12:13:00 PM
have a question ! do u still need to solder the 2 points ?
the one next to the chip and the other one behind the motherboard !
the points u need to solder when u have the old modchip!
thx
Post by: regulater7 on November 15, 2002, 02:48:00 PM