Post by: Nailed on October 28, 2002, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: Merle Corey on October 28, 2002, 06:24:00 PM
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| 3.) "Wires Option" Hehehehe! this one doesnt deserve an explanation. hehe im just wondering who the hell would prefer Xecuter cause of needing wires to be solded in order to install it . |
Who would prefer a wired mod over pogo pins? People like me, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'm generally satisfied with my Matrix, but I've already had to re-seat it twice because it keeps losing contact. Of course, I'm also the kind of guy who thinks iMurderer had the right idea in installing his x-ecutor with a socket instead of soldering it straight on. I've considered wiring my Matrix (or even installing a socket on it), but ultimately decided to just wait a few weeks/months/whenever and replace it. Maybe with an x-ecuter2, maybe with whatever else comes out.
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| 5.)"4 x Different Bios's" Well, i thought the purpose of the Xbox was to play games and a few other things! hehe not spend time switching bioses! I have Evox 2.5 and im waiting for a reason to switch. havent found one yet. |
This one may not apply to you, but it does apply to plenty of other people. The debug BIOS, for example, won't even fit on a Matrix. Granted, multiboot-BIOS is kind of a strange feature, but having 1MB BIOS support is definitely a Good Thing.
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| 6.) "works on v1.1 Console" hehe. Do you really think yours will be the only Bios released?? |
Yeah, but their BIOS is the only one currently claiming that feature. The better question is how valid that claim is when no one can prove it yet.
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| Its perfectly clear that Xecuter2 Bios wont work on Matrix not because of its size but cause Xecuter team is want it that way. |
Perhaps. But in the long run, this is the trend we're going to see. Call it feature-creep, call it bloatware, but the bottom line is that as time goes on, we're going to see more and more BIOS's that require more than 256K, mostly because of lame-ass hacks being tacked in.
What I'm surprised at is that you didn't point out the most obvious problem with the x-ecuter2 comparison...
Matrix: Available NOW.
X-ecuter2: Available at some unspecified later date.
MC
Post by: Patriot on October 28, 2002, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: formosauk on October 28, 2002, 06:35:00 PM
he sounds a little bit worried that he bought one and now it will be overtaken and that the new bios might not even work on his.
because lets face it ,if you really didnt care why the fuck would you type sucha long post
Post by: bagel5009 on October 28, 2002, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: Ace25 on October 28, 2002, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: opjose on October 29, 2002, 04:33:00 AM
Me -LIKE- solder! Tastes good!
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I'll just go reflash my TSOP again because it feels good.
Post by: Cr4z33 on October 29, 2002, 06:06:00 AM
Post by: XanTium on October 29, 2002, 07:17:00 AM
You can read the answers on their webpage : http://www.x-ecuter.com/
Post by: RiceCake on October 29, 2002, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: Snipey on October 29, 2002, 07:58:00 AM
Those guys at x-ecuter are awsome coders, you cant deny that cause basically 90% of you modchip owners must have used one of there bioses (x-ecuter bios or evox)
I do not see why you ppl have to argue about this subject. Matrix is indeed a real nice chip but the biggest difference is the pogo pins, other then that, the openxbox from lik-sang will be just as good or even better. X-ecuter should defentaly not be bashed when they make the bios that you use.
It obviously irritates you that the bios probably wont fit on your matrix mod, but still you say it doesnt. If this is so, y this post? You argue that the new x-ecuter will improve the matrix but you also comment on every new feature that it will have that it wont change anything and is just a bunch of extra bs nobody needs.
No offence but your post doenst contain any real facts.
no matter what modchip you own, if it live's up to your needs be happy with it and thank the ppl at x-ecuter for making those great bioses that you use
Post by: manywatts on October 29, 2002, 08:23:00 AM
The truth about these silly debates is this: I recently bought a matrix, and guess what, it really seems that the Executer 2 will be quite an improvement. Will I bemoan this fact? No, I simply will go buy the Executor 2, whoopdy-do, another $40.. I fail to see what the big deal is here. If it works for you enjoy it.
Post by: PLUTO 3.14 on October 29, 2002, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: sush1a on October 29, 2002, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: POTF on October 29, 2002, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: 0rbital on October 29, 2002, 09:38:00 AM
I doubt I'll be ditching my Matrix anytime soon. If they put out something really cool then I may be tempted to switch.
Post by: Dark Elf on October 29, 2002, 09:44:00 AM
good luck to team xecuter
Post by: duff on October 29, 2002, 10:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (0rbital @ Oct 29 2002, 04:38 PM) |
| I doubt I'll be ditching my Matrix anytime soon. If they put out something really cool then I may be tempted to switch. |
I absolutely agree. I will be happy with my matrix and the plan for my setup (everything will be in by friday). But if the X-2 has some really awesome features for things that I cannt forsee right now I will buy one. Plain and simple.
But I will be useing Evox 2.5 in the Matrix so... Props to the Executor team!
Post by: duff on October 29, 2002, 10:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (sush1a @ Oct 29 2002, 04:19 PM) |
| lucky i ain't no matrix owner.. |
I feel lucky to be a matrix owner (future). It will get me by for the time being (perhaps for the life of my Xbox). If I want to upgrade to an X-2 on a later date then I will. And I guess I will feel lucky then also
Just because you all bought a matrix doesn't mean you can't upgrade.
Post by: RiceCake on October 29, 2002, 11:11:00 AM
Stop the stupid angry posts about other companies. They want to make you chips so you can enjoy advanced features. Matrix made a big step by inducing the pogo pins, but should it be X-Ecuter's fault because the software they design for their chips isnt compatible with the Matrix and they incorporated the same idea?
Chip's become better and better each day. If you spent your money on a chip and a cheaper, better one comes along, you dont have to dis the features. Its not like you have to use them.
Team X-Ecuter, keep up the good work.
Post by: XYZ on October 29, 2002, 12:00:00 PM
I just want to add something... Pir8: You sir are a MORON!!!
Why ever make another videogame system ever? My Xbox with Matrix will be good till the year 2035 so no rush for a PS3, Xbox-2 or GCN-2 who the helll would want progression in technology???
*cough* *cough* idiot *cough*
Post by: Pir8 on October 29, 2002, 12:01:00 PM
How does it feels Xecuter Team???
I just want to clarify a few things. I dont hate you. I really think you've done a great Job and are doing a great Job developing new kernels and mods. As you said on your reply to this post the Matrix Team havent done anything for cracking the Xbox Bios and almost everybody is using some if not all codes made by you. I bet many of us are really thankful for that belive it ot not.
But its not Ethical to go making jokes on Matrix users just because it has 256kb or because you think they are fucked or ripped off! as you did posting on your site and laguhing Saying "Maybe we should add some CRC check or make a larger Bios so Matrix users Go bitching somewhere else"
You then posted a new topic (after 112 unhappy ppl mailed you) saying it was a Joke!! and that you werent that kind of ppl.
Its your Job and you do whatever you like with it, give it for free, make it bigger, etc.. etc.. just dont get to the TOP by burying others but making great actions.
So that brings me to another question!!! Why you Hate Matrix Team so much? is it because they released a piece of hardware that can be installed without any solder point first than you? or maybe cause it became so popular you felt jellous?
Man be proud of what you are! what you do. There will be bigger and smaller ppl than you. Shit! cant you understand that? Just be a little more Humble!
I'll say it again! im happy with my matrix and if times comes when i need to upgrade cause of not being able to play my games or a Huge bios update i'll buy a X-ecuter Mod or whatever other mod available.
Thanks!
Post by: dankydoo on October 29, 2002, 01:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Pir8 @ Oct 29 2002, 07:01 PM) |
| Well well my post last night caused some ppl to get a little upset. How does it feels Xecuter Team??? I just want to clarify a few things. I dont hate you. I really think you've done a great Job and are doing a great Job developing new kernels and mods. As you said on your reply to this post the Matrix Team havent done anything for cracking the Xbox Bios and almost everybody is using some if not all codes made by you. I bet many of us are really thankful for that belive it ot not. But its not Ethical to go making jokes on Matrix users just because it has 256kb or because you think they are fucked or ripped off! as you did posting on your site and laguhing Saying "Maybe we should add some CRC check or make a larger Bios so Matrix users Go bitching somewhere else" You then posted a new topic (after 112 unhappy ppl mailed you) saying it was a Joke!! and that you werent that kind of ppl. Its your Job and you do whatever you like with it, give it for free, make it bigger, etc.. etc.. just dont get to the TOP by burying others but making great actions. So that brings me to another question!!! Why you Hate Matrix Team so much? is it because they released a piece of hardware that can be installed without any solder point first than you? or maybe cause it became so popular you felt jellous? Man be proud of what you are! what you do. There will be bigger and smaller ppl than you. Shit! cant you understand that? Just be a little more Humble! I'll say it again! im happy with my matrix and if times comes when i need to upgrade cause of not being able to play my games or a Huge bios update i'll buy a X-ecuter Mod or whatever other mod available. Thanks! |
I don't think that the xecuter's comments were aimed entirely at you. I think that your first post summarized an entirety of ignorance that misinformed matrix fanboys have been pissing at them since its inception, and they saw it as an opportunity to answer them all at once.
What it comes down to is choices. I am enthused and curious as to exactly how the xecuter team is doing all of this. There are some incredible minds at work, and without them, you wouldn't be playing your latest rip of nickelodeon blast. Features are what sells. Choices are what sells. Functionality also sells. It seems that this is exactly what they are going for, and you just bitch. It amazes me that people in this scene have grown so accustomed to getting shit for free that they expect everything in a handout, and still have the nerve, and the balls to complain and whine.
I would personally rather solder than use unstable, and unreliable 'pogo' pins to install a mod in my, or any xbox. You would probobaly still be sitting there on the other side of the world with your thumb up your arse if matrix didn't make your ignorance possible.
I win.
Post by: mojojojo on October 29, 2002, 01:29:00 PM
what elses do you want ? . sure xecuter looks cool but all but i am happy with the evoxdash bios by superfro.if team x-ecuter adds support for a usb hdd or something that would be cool but till a development of importance comes out ill be playin halo !peace snipey,dont read team x-ecuters reply and recap for them. you suck and need to get a life props to the matrix for their design props to x-ecuter for the coding.
Post by: n1tro on October 29, 2002, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Scimmia on October 29, 2002, 02:23:00 PM
look here: http://warmcat.com/milksop/
Post by: Strat on October 29, 2002, 03:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (Pir8 @ Oct 29 2002, 07:01 PM) |
| Well well my post last night caused some ppl to get a little upset. How does it feels Xecuter Team??? I just want to clarify a few things. I dont hate you. I really think you've done a great Job and are doing a great Job developing new kernels and mods. As you said on your reply to this post the Matrix Team havent done anything for cracking the Xbox Bios and almost everybody is using some if not all codes made by you. I bet many of us are really thankful for that belive it ot not. But its not Ethical to go making jokes on Matrix users just because it has 256kb or because you think they are fucked or ripped off! as you did posting on your site and laguhing Saying "Maybe we should add some CRC check or make a larger Bios so Matrix users Go bitching somewhere else" You then posted a new topic (after 112 unhappy ppl mailed you) saying it was a Joke!! and that you werent that kind of ppl. Its your Job and you do whatever you like with it, give it for free, make it bigger, etc.. etc.. just dont get to the TOP by burying others but making great actions. So that brings me to another question!!! Why you Hate Matrix Team so much? is it because they released a piece of hardware that can be installed without any solder point first than you? or maybe cause it became so popular you felt jellous? Man be proud of what you are! what you do. There will be bigger and smaller ppl than you. Shit! cant you understand that? Just be a little more Humble! I'll say it again! im happy with my matrix and if times comes when i need to upgrade cause of not being able to play my games or a Huge bios update i'll buy a X-ecuter Mod or whatever other mod available. Thanks! |
By the sounds of it your pissed off that your not going to be able to use the new bios.
Stop bitching. You bought the matrix. don't have a go at executor team beacause they want to make THE BEST bios they can for customers who bought there chips (i.e > 256k)
Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake
A big thanks to the xecutor team. Without you gus constantly developing new bios' etc the mod scene would be very boring.
Post by: M3_DeL on October 29, 2002, 04:01:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: RiceCake on October 29, 2002, 06:10:00 PM
I had a picture a long time ago...it was "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win...your still retarded"...
Take that in note the next time you'r pissed...thats just my two cents.
Post by: bagel5009 on October 29, 2002, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: marcux on October 29, 2002, 08:08:00 PM
30+ wire to solder and a Full bios replacement..Just solder it in.. Boot up the Xbox.. Cut it out.. and flash the onboard Tsop with whatever damn bios you want!
Sqrewed up your onboard bios?? Xbox dead because of it? solder on an xtender and reflash the oboard tsop back to normal.. what else do you need?
-Marcux
(Because I Can!)
Post by: formosauk on October 29, 2002, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: SengokuX on October 29, 2002, 08:57:00 PM
Don't worry. We can all play games off the HD and all the emuz now with the Matrix, even with the 256k limit. Worrying about whether or not you can upgrade is silly if your modded Xbox does everything that you want now. Why sweat it?
Xodus revolutionized installs by using the pogo pins - what's to say that they won't do it again by releasing a 1MB mod?
At any rate, regardless of Team X-ecuter's claims, isn't anyone else wondering if the reason why they need >256k is *because* of their switch from assembly to C++ (code bloat). It seems like maybe it's that simple. I have no problem with them saying that they aren't supporting the Matrix chip - it's not their chip, so they have no reason to support it.
But at the same time, if their features really amount to anything useful, I'm sure we'll see someone get them into a 256k kernal.
Post by: SengokuX on October 29, 2002, 09:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (Strat @ Oct 29 2002, 10:53 PM) |
| Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake |
I'm not sure how any of us can make any inferences as to the skill of the Matrix team, since all we know is that they released an easy-to-install version of a 256k mod... we don't know what, if any, their future plans are...
Post by: kryo on October 30, 2002, 01:51:00 AM
To start with, what Matrix /w Evox2.5 currently does is well sufficient for most people out there, ie. the "mainstream" modders, who just want to play games and put some stuff on the HD.
And what's with the X-ecuter2 praise? I think we should first wait for the chip to come out and then start comparing it to other, already available chips. It's like "I just can't brush my teeth now because I hear there will be a better toothbrush out next month" - now just how stupid is that? And before you start flaming me claiming you can always make CheapMods or get a PC-BioXX, let me remind you that hey have to be soldered in - something many people simply don't want to do to their consoles.
Also I must say that I think team x-ecuter moving over to C++ for kernel coding is a bit transparent : probably at least one of the reasons is that their Bios will now get bloated enough not to fit on a Matrix... I'd like to remind the team that there are ppl out there NOT using Matrix but still stuck with the 256-limit.
Anyways I don't think these debates are of any use when the arguments stay at the "f##k off / u sUck / m3 0WnZ" -level. I'm eager to see what Team X-Ecuter will come up with, but for now I'm using the Matrix on my own console... Perhaps I'll switch - who knows?
Never believe the hype! Hype is the mind killer! ;)
Post by: 3tlk on October 30, 2002, 02:04:00 AM
But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM. It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small.
Of course C does seem more logical than C++, but then are we talking about bloatware because of the size or speed? C may compile smaller but may not necessarily run any faster and assuming it does run faster I don't think it will impact the XBox performance. We are still talking about a BIOS that is less than 512K. However, programming in C++ may result in quicker releases of the updated BIOS.
Lets not forget, if C++ is good enuf for John Carmack then I wouldn't complain too much. Yes I know Carmack isn't a BIOS programmer...
Post by: Potenza on October 30, 2002, 02:52:00 AM
don't have a soldering Iron C) definately can't solder and not willing to learn it on a 500$ piece of equipment (yes europe customer, one of the first)My point being is: executor team gave us the new now famous LPC mod design, biosses and tools. Matrix team improved the Xecutor design for a large part of the community (the "n00bs" that can't solder ==> or are tis just people who are wise enough to know their limitations?).
Now Executor, applies matrix design improvements and looks to extend bios feautures.
So stop saying, this is better or that is better. Stop the Holy war! And give credit to each of them for what they accomplished. Maybe they should work together and build the best mod ever?
And people==>you are alive now, not tomorrow. And tomorrow will always bring something new and possibly better.
You are free: so choose the mod you want AND STOP CURSING AT EACH OTHER. INCLUDING TEAM EXECUTOR ANd XODUS.
Wars have started for less ;-)
Post by: rjm2k on October 30, 2002, 05:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (rono @ Oct 30 2002, 10:02 AM) |
| apperently the people behind the patrix are not counting on the X-ecuter team to update thier product. this is from their site. "... We have completed a very unique testing bios which is 100 % legal and therefore will be hosted by us. This bios will be released with the above mentioned manual and guide in order to have a fool proof way to test your product for any manufacturing defects (on that note we cannot, and will not, entertain any request for illegal copyrighted material). Since it has now been tested and found 100% hardware compatible with the new version of console released, we have no plans to change or upgrade our basic design of the Xodus. We will only be looking into a new design in the event that a completely new design of console is released, our product is perfect, and we stand by it 100%. " so unless i misunderstood what "testing bios " means, it looks like they plane to support their product as well, and not let the x-ecuter2 make it absolute. as they say, if and when the need for a new ver will come, there will be another ver. this is the nature of technology. just when you think you got the best and latest, somthing better comes alone. if what you got does everything you want, enjoy it. when it is no longer meets your need, then get the matrix 2 or X-ecuter 3 or enigma 4 or whatever is the latest and the best when the time comes. |
If it's 100% legal that probably means its the linux bios, which afaik isn't meant for playing games (tho i guess it could work)
Post by: SengokuX on October 30, 2002, 06:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (3tlk @ Oct 30 2002, 09:04 AM) |
| But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM. It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small. |
Okay, how about Dead or Alive 1 (PSX), Dead or Alive 2 (DC) and a large chunk of Dead or Alive 3 (Xbox)? All assembly, all hand-coded....
Post by: deka on October 30, 2002, 07:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (Pir8 @ Oct 29 2002, 07:01 PM) |
| Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake |
Good point. While we're at it, why not get Pc-Bioxx manufacturers to make some new exciting bios'? Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that either. My Mistake. What about Pandora? Did they release anything we use? What about Aladdin or TitanX?
Point being, since when does the hardware and software aspects have to come from the same release group? Team Xecuter is the most skilled group to work on the Xbox kernel..that's blatenly obvious. But many of the xbox mod chip manufacturers don't make the software for their chip. They rely on the experts like Xecuter to do it. Team Xecuter should respect that.
In closing, don't blame Xecuter for making a 256k+ bios. Blame Matrix for trying to save a few bucks by dropping a 256k bios chip on their instead of a 512k or 1MB chip.
P.S.- I like Pepsi better then Coke
Post by: Strat on October 30, 2002, 05:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (bwn82k @ Oct 30 2002, 02:19 PM) | ||
Good point. While we're at it, why not get Pc-Bioxx manufacturers to make some new exciting bios'? Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that either. My Mistake. What about Pandora? Did they release anything we use? What about Aladdin or TitanX? Point being, since when does the hardware and software aspects have to come from the same release group? Team Xecuter is the most skilled group to work on the Xbox kernel..that's blatenly obvious. But many of the xbox mod chip manufacturers don't make the software for their chip. They rely on the experts like Xecuter to do it. Team Xecuter should respect that. In closing, don't blame Xecuter for making a 256k+ bios. Blame Matrix for trying to save a few bucks by dropping a 256k bios chip on their instead of a 512k or 1MB chip. P.S.- I like Pepsi better then Coke |
my point wasn't that they have to make software for hardware. But the original poster was saying that shit like "ohhh know executor arn't going to let matrix users use their code cause its to big. wah wah wah"
Fuck em. Don't let other users suffer because some users don't have >256k.
They all seem happy with evox 2.5 running so thats fine. Don't winge.
Personally i want a bios that lets me reset in game without getting out of my seat (see latest news post on xbox-scene.com) and a bios that can be coded with new features very easily.
And matrix didn't release a 256k bios for cost saving measures. They did it because they copied the cheaplpc design which was based on a 256k chip.
Post by: cykiller on October 31, 2002, 01:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Snipey @ Oct 29 2002, 10:58 AM) |
| what I can make up out of this is that e-xecuter is right about everything. I code C++ and the benefits of this OO langues can be quite substencial compared to normal C. Also they will have more space for a kernel so they can implant allot more features into the bios then before. Those guys at x-ecuter are awsome coders, you cant deny that cause basically 90% of you modchip owners must have used one of there bioses (x-ecuter bios or evox) I do not see why you ppl have to argue about this subject. Matrix is indeed a real nice chip but the biggest difference is the pogo pins, other then that, the openxbox from lik-sang will be just as good or even better. X-ecuter should defentaly not be bashed when they make the bios that you use. It obviously irritates you that the bios probably wont fit on your matrix mod, but still you say it doesnt. If this is so, y this post? You argue that the new x-ecuter will improve the matrix but you also comment on every new feature that it will have that it wont change anything and is just a bunch of extra bs nobody needs. No offence but your post doenst contain any real facts. no matter what modchip you own, if it live's up to your needs be happy with it and thank the ppl at x-ecuter for making those great bioses that you use |
i agree, big props to x-ecuter!!
Post by: deka on November 01, 2002, 05:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dark Schneider @ Oct 31 2002, 09:37 AM) |
| Captain Crunch Kicks ARSE! |
Peanut Butter Crunch!!
Post by: kryo on November 04, 2002, 06:22:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM. It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small. |
Ok, but so what? I thought these ppl were supposed to have l337 sKillZ ;)
Just look at the demoscene where ppl have coded pure asm stuff for years, and all just for fun and respect, no money involved at all!
And.. I guess and hope you didn't mean that coding pure asm would make bigger files than C++, cause you just couldn't get more wrong by saying that...
Ok I'm getting a bit off-topic here, but just had to let this out :)
Post by: warbeast on November 04, 2002, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: modman316 on November 04, 2002, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: babyoche on November 04, 2002, 10:01:00 AM
How lucky will I be?
Post by: cykiller on November 04, 2002, 11:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (modman316 @ Nov 4 2002, 12:37 PM) |
| The X-ecuter 2 will be better bottom line. MOre features better support and much better pricing. The only question is, do u want to wait longer. Are the features worth your time to wait. |
i definitely would wait for it if you don't have a chip yet!! x-ecuter!!