Post by: {{909}} on August 24, 2003, 02:24:00 AM
on what grounds can someone file legal legal action?
this is so old, ive been modding xbox day in day out and i havent seen a samsung drive in months.
As long as u use a decent branded DVDr the philips is fine.
Post by: a9h3x on August 24, 2003, 02:34:00 AM
Post by: Champ189WS on August 24, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (n00bxbox @ Aug 24 2003, 06:34 PM) |
| first of all, nobody except millionaires have dvd burners, and dvd burners are too slow, not worth buying till they hit about 16X. Second of all, as long as you have a big hard drive in the xbox, you dont need it to read cdrs. Just copy your Games/MP3/Videos to its hd and you are fine. I got a 30GB Quantum Fireball in it and its doing fine. |
actually the dvd burner price is going down.., i seen one for like 130 bucks. So u dont have to be a millionaire; u just hav e to save a little money
Post by: feflicker on August 24, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| first of all, nobody except millionaires have dvd burners, and dvd burners are too slow, not worth buying till they hit about 16X |
16X for a dvd burner would be like 3 mins to burn a full 4.7GB DVD. Are you kidding me!
DVD Burners are very affordable.
| QUOTE |
| It's not fair that one guy gets a Samsung and the other guy gets a piece of crap philips that can't read burnt audio CDs |
I don't remember seeing anywhere that MS$ guarantees the xbox to work with anything other than: DVD Retail Movies, DVD Retail Games, and CD Retail Audio CD's. So I don't think this argument holds any water.
However, we ALL wish MS$ put Samsungs in all Xboxes. But we are not "obligated" to have a Samsung
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 03:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (a9h3x @ Aug 24 2003, 10:34 AM) |
| I had a box I modded with a phillips and it read my cd-r evox boot cd maybe it just reads some cd-r media? I used verbatims |
Maybe you did. Back in the day, I've also pot tweaked a Philips to do the same. So your pot may be set higher. I refuse to deal with that when every Samsung drive consistantely works fine. I am absolutely hooked on Xbox Live and I think the xbox is a sweet console but I for one refuse to allow MS to sell me a Philips/Thompson when they sold Samsungs to others. This is an activity that if allowed to continue will just get worse. So if others allow MS to give them drives not as good as drives in other xboxes, that's on them and they're saying it's ok. Bu I insist that I get the same product that someone else gets from the same company if it's sold and boxed as the same do not accept otherwise and feel MS needs to disclose this information on the box otherwise , Wal-mart stores can deal with people like me and those I bring into the xbox scene. We keep buying and returning til we get Samsungs. If Wal-mart gets sick of it, we'll go elsewhere and they have been told this numerous times. I hate that Wal-mart takes the hit of inconvenience but at the same time, if they (and other merchants of course) have a problem with it, they should talk to MS. Not the likes of me. But so far, I guess they don't have a problem.
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 03:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (n00bxbox @ Aug 24 2003, 10:34 PM) |
| first of all, nobody except millionaires have dvd burners, and dvd burners are too slow, not worth buying till they hit about 16X. Second of all, as long as you have a big hard drive in the xbox, you dont need it to read cdrs. Just copy your Games/MP3/Videos to its hd and you are fine. I got a 30GB Quantum Fireball in it and its doing fine. |
Son, I want you to come next time we go sailing on my yacht. There will be pleanty to drink and eat and seeing as I'm a millionaire, it won't bother me a bit. Afterwords, I'm takin' you to my private golf course. Then to my private club. There will be pleanty of girls but only the finest ones shall be there. Cause afterall, I own a DVD burner. I must have stolen it though seeing as I only paid $250 for it.
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 03:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (feflicker @ Aug 24 2003, 11:04 PM) | ||
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This is not to you personally, it is how I feel about MS. I could care less what MS guarantees to be in there or not to be in there. If you buy a product from anyone and the guy down the street buys the same product, if he has something in there and you don't, wheather it be an xbox, a car, a computer, or whatever, the company is obligated to tell you what's inside. And, if they go over and beyond that for some, then one thing's for sure. They're going over and beyond that for ME. Because if Joe down the road paid $xxx for product Y and I see it and like it, I'll go to the store and get the same product that I liked by way of his word of mouth advertising and I am for sure getting what I saw came out of his box. If not, the product gets exchanged.
Post by: andrusk on August 24, 2003, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on August 24, 2003, 03:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| If you buy a product from anyone and the guy down the street buys the same product, if he has something in there and you don't, wheather it be an xbox, a car, a computer, or whatever, the company is obligated to tell you what's inside. |
I can agree to that.
I don't think MS$ is purposely putting in drives that do not work for modders. I think they are just picking the low bid like every other large corporation when it comes to the parts they purchase... Unfortunately for use Philips and Thomson fall way short of making a decent product for the $$ that MS$ is paying them
Post by: EvilWays on August 24, 2003, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: LiquidCell on August 24, 2003, 03:57:00 PM
btw, I am in a bad mood and I am not flaming you up on purpose.
Post by: andrusk on August 24, 2003, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (andrusk @ Aug 24 2003, 11:57 PM) |
| Bottom line is m$ doesnt owe you or anybody else anything! The xbox does what they say it will do, which is to play retail games, RETAIL audio cds, and RETAIL dvds. You should consider the fact that yours play cdrs as an extra bonus, because they dont owe you squat! You complain that they put cheap drives in their xboxs?!? Its their right! Thats what keeps the prices down. And if you dont like it, why dont you right m$ and tell them your petty little complaints, I'm sure theyll change their policy on cheap dvds drives just so you can play your "backed up" cds. |
I didn't write them but I did call them and they didn't acknowledge that there were 3 brands. They said that was misinformation and that you can not rely on people on the internet for information and that it's most likely that the pictures on the net are just made-up photoshopped to ruffle some feathers and that we can be assured that all xboxes are the same.
But yes it's their right to put whatever they want in their xbox just like it's my right to exercise my 30 day return policy as I have done, will continue to do, and will advise friends to do in the event that we get a Philips/Thompson drive. M$ may not document audio backup CD play, it may be a bonus. But if that's the case, I get the "bonus" too.
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: NightL1fe on August 24, 2003, 04:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (EvilWays @ Aug 24 2003, 07:43 PM) |
| Final word on any class action suit: You won't get jack shit! M$ is not obligated under any circumstances to use a certain brand DVD drive in the Xbox. The fact that M$ uses Samsung in some and Philips in some others probably means they're killing off some of their supply of Philips or something to that effect. That's their choice, not yours. You dont' like it? Go find someone selling a Samsung drive, buy it, install it, and sell the other drive. Why are people being picky about what DVD drive is in their system? I'm just fine with my Thomson.... |
AMEN brother...
CLASS ACTION SUIT.. HAHAHA what a joke...
maybe thier supply ran out on samsungs and had to use a phillips? or tompson? what you think they have endless supplys of drives and parts? what dont you complain also on the different power supplys and different network coms LOL!!!
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 04:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 01:38 AM) |
| If the power supplies and network cards had different abilities, I would complain. But I haven't heard of any. But the ability to play audio CD-Rs is a big deal. For the person who implied that it's illegal to have your own audio CD-r disc, that was a funny one. Maybe you should go back to the 1980's. It was a time when I believe they were arguing your right to be able to produce digital media at home based on the premise that with that ability, it was possible to clone commercial music. A time when the big record producers tried to insinuate that everyone who could produce digital media was a thief. lol |
so, stop complaining to us, go swap your xbox for one taht has the drives you want in it, and then dont post stupid shit like this again
solved, everyone is happy, move along!
Post by: andrusk on August 24, 2003, 04:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mad_Gouki @ Aug 25 2003, 01:25 AM) |
| you sir are a fucking prick, and i dont intend to flame but to get my point across its gona look that way... MS has not broken any part of their "promise" i guess is what you coudlc all it, when you buy the xbox, it is made to play retail games, retail audio cd's, all things legal, the cd drives to them dont make a bit of difference xcept cost. that means youre jsut soem greedy prick that goes onto xbox-scene and vents his anger at us and tries to ge tus to go into a store and bitch because they carry an xbox with a certian brand dvd-rom... what you need to do is never post another stupid thread like this EVER again and go return your xbox untill you get one with which you are satisfied. thank you, have a NICE fucking day pal! |
amen
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 05:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 01:50 AM) |
| What are you on M$'s payroll or something? You think people shouldn't have the right to know what's in their xboxes? That's not how it is.This website far as I know is about educating ones self on the xbox. It's about other things too but people go to xbox related websites sometimes before they go shopping and I think some of them would be really happy to know to watch out for the bad DVD drives in them. Even if they do everything MS says they do, I'm sure someone wanting to spend $179 on an xbox will take the unit with the extra features over the one without. Maybe you don't. That's your right. But other people do. And maybe you use your xbox for nothing but ftping games up to it and putting retail Xbox DVDs in it and that's fine too. Other people however will want greater compatability out of their DVD drive maybe even if they don't have a modded unit at all like me. |
i never said people shouldtn ahve a right to know whats in their xboxes, youre putting words in my mouth. im just saying MS has no obligation to put a certian type of dvd drive in there, they can put whatever the fuck they want to, and as long as it does everything an xbox is SUPPOSED to do, they have nothing to worry about, they have done nothing wrong...
while sure, id love to have the best xbox out there, but i bought my xbox when it first came out, i intended to mod it, but i didnt want to have to solder, so i waited, and finally the bert and ernie shti came out, i did it, ok...
but i really dont even think its polite to complaina bout a feature you shouldnt even have. and youre bitching at the wrong people, none of us really care what preference of dvd-rom you have. If you want a different dvd-rom, do like ive told you to about 3 time snow, GO SWAP YOUR XBOX FOR A DIFFERENT ONE.
if thats too hard for you to do then maybe you should rethink why you just HAVE to have a specific dvd-rom anyways.
be happy with what youve got, dont come here trying to put us into bad moods.
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 05:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 02:15 AM) |
| Yea I see exactly what the deal is now. You're stuck with an out-of-waranty xboxwith a Philips in it. I feel your pain. But, a good xbox-user poster should not downplay this issue just because they were cought in it. New people come into these forums many who don't even post, come in here to learn before they buy. And, if I were just shopping for my first xbox, I'd be one thankful mofo to have read this post just as surely as there are thankful people who have read this thread and now know that they should be searching these very forums for the pictures of the 3 drive trays so that they don't also get stuck with a crappy drive. Well for those people, I'll list it briefly here just because it came up. Here's what the drive trays look like when you eject them. Thompson - has an oval-shaped tray Philips - has an oval-shaped tray with a belly on the bottom Samsung - oval shape but irregular on the bottom but the revealer here is that there are 2 round holes, one on each side of the tray just big enough for you to insert your finger. Thisis the good drive. |
christ, are you that shallow, to think everyone gives a shit what theyr dvd rom drive is?
im sure youve helped someone, and i did learn from that post im quoting what he different drives are, but i really dont care what my cd rom drive is, and like i said, if you want a different one, go get a different xbo and dont post threads telling us to go complain to a store becuase they dont carry the specific dvd-rom that allows you to do something you arent supposed to be able to do in the first place.
Post by: {{909}} on August 24, 2003, 05:36:00 PM
you friend may be going back and forth to compu usa or whatever its called ofr a long time aswell, ive bought about 15 xbox in the last few months and every one has been a philips
who gives a rat ass about playing cdr anyway! jeezus.
whoever said u need to be a millionaire to buy a dvd burner is off a bit off too, wtf!
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 05:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 02:27 AM) | ||
You don't get it. It's just not important that you don't care. It's not even important that I do. What's important is that that information is out there and readily available for new people coming in so that each person has the right to make their own judgement call. If you don't care that you have a Philips, that's fine. I'm glad you're happy. But to put down someone who does care just just assenign. For someone to insinuate that making a product exchange and posting about it is acting like a 6-year-older as someone posted above is retarded. This isn't kindergarten milk-and-cookies here. It's a $179 purchase. People have a right to go into this purchase informed. While MS is under no "obligation" to give everybody an undocumented feature, if they give it to some but not to others, that leaves a bad taste in people's mouth and people have the right to express that in public and let others have the right to form that opinion or not form it. |
ok, so i guess
| QUOTE |
| MS is PATHETIC! The Xboxes at our Wal-mart have recentely been manufactured on 1/2003 and have contained Samsung drives. A friend from DC picked one up from a CompUSA store in that area and brought it up. It was dated 5/31/03. It had a Philips DVD drive in it. Needless to say, he's taking it right back and telling them exactly why. I'd suggest that when you guys buy xboxes that don't contain Samsungs in them that you do the same thing. Let's piss these merchants off guys. Let's get them seeing red and calling MS and telling them not to send their shit to their stores. This issue needs buried. It's not fair that one guy gets a Samsung and the other guy gets a piece of crap philips that can't read burnt audio CDs. I wish some rich guy would file a class action suit. They'd win just as surely as other class action suites were won. MS needs to disclose this information on the box or stop doing it! Yea I know it's an old subject but I think it is worth repeating. |
isnt 6th grade milk and cookies either?
and you A: got off topic and B: quoted me and then amde a comment about my psot that i didnt make in the first place (the 6 year old thing)
the truth is, you never MADE this post with the intent of educating potential buyers, you made this post to vent your anger at ms changing the drd-rom drives, which they have every right to do.
if you had intended to make this post as an educational post for potential buyers you wouldnt have said things like
| QUOTE |
| he's taking it right back and telling them exactly why. I'd suggest that when you guys buy xboxes that don't contain Samsungs in them that you do the same thing. |
| QUOTE |
| Let's piss these merchants off guys. Let's get them seeing red and calling MS and telling them not to send their shit to their stores. This issue needs buried. |
and this shows that you are jsut angry that one guy got something you didnt, which is quite immature i must say, at least in this case
| QUOTE |
| It's not fair |
and this is also immature and i must personally say it is a moronic comment
| QUOTE |
| I wish some rich guy would file a class action suit. |
and for the end... you say
| QUOTE |
| I think it is worth repeating. |
please feel free to retort.
Post by: andrusk on August 24, 2003, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 06:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 03:18 AM) |
| Look. You can let MS rip you off if you want. They probably already have. And you probably can't exchange your xbox. It's probably out of the 30 day period and you're probably just pissed because other people can do something about having a philips and you can't. What MS is doing is unacceptable and everybody should take their xboxes and use the 30 day exchange policy if they don't get the sammy. That's what I do and that's what I advise others to do. If you don't care and you want a philips, that's fine. But don't get bitter because others don't. |
were getting "bitter" because youre goign off topic, avoiding our comments... you keep going on this education thing which is total bullshit if you read your first post...
the moral of this story is "dont CHEAT, and dont try and cheat MS"
what you are telling peopel to do is boycott the xbox, which is a strong anti-xbox statement, if i didnt know better id say youre a ps2 fanboy
and ms isnt ripping us off, we are ripping them off if you would fuckign stop to thinka bout it, oh wait, i bet its hard for oxygen to get to your brain when your head is that far up your own ass!
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 06:28:00 PM
| QUOTE ({{909}} @ Aug 25 2003, 01:56 AM) |
| somethin thats worth noting about this case is that we would be stupid to start threatening MS with legal action just cos we cant play pirate games on cdr, MS have and still are being very forgiving, they are virtually turning a blind eye to the whole hacking scene, give bill a break! MS supposedly loses $100 per xbox sold and alot of these sales will never see an original game. |
Ok you're insinuating that people want the samsung because they pirate games. You're insinuating that people wiith CDR's are stealing music. You can speculate all day about how likely it is that I'm using my CD-R to play content that I own, you are in error.
And then you're suggesting that I should forgive MS because they turn a blind eye to piracy, I don't think so. My xbox is not modded. That has nothing to me. And besides, like MS is gona ruin some 16-year-old kid's life. That'd be good PR.
As far as suites and such go, I just said I wish some rich guy with legal knowhow would try it. Sprint in my area of the country was sued for a lesser reason and Sprint lost!
What MS is doing is wrong in some people's eyes. But, if the merchants want to continue to deal with returns and if MS will continue to keep blindly accepting them, I guess it's all okay. And if enough of you think it's alright that you get a DVD that's not as good as mine though you paid the same price, that's ok too. Me, if I'm paying, I want what the next guy got if we paid the same price. But then I'm also the guy who if I found someone doing the same job as me at work for more money, I'm the guy who'd be bitching and/or working elsewhere. So far, that hasn't been the case but if it were, that's what I'd
do. Doing otherwise would be being a fool.
Bottom line, $1 is worth $1 wheather it's mine, Bill's, Bob's, Gonzolez's, Jacques, or whatever as long as it's an American dollar. And for my dollar, I want the best deal and I want the price that these people paid.
Post by: NightL1fe on August 24, 2003, 06:30:00 PM
think about it
Tompson Xbox - $179
Phillips Xbox - $189
Samsung xbox $229.
would that make you real fucken happy? or would you come back and complain about this issue now?
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 06:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 03:33 AM) | ||
Hey dumbass, there is no way you can put your own custom music in a video game if you have a Philips! And depending on the brand of DVD you have, the Thompson is no better. Part of what the xbox does is let you put custom music in your games! You can only do that on those crap a$$ drives if you get lucky. My Samsung will take anything I throw at it. So I'm sorry you got ripped by MS, but I have a Samsung and now, anybody who wants one knows what to do. |
why are you still posting? nobody gives a shit, we all realized your just bragging that you have a "better" dvd-rom...
and like i said, we dont give a fuck
and actually, we CAN add our own custom music, we can play it off a dvd-r or the hdd, so please stop with your immature braging... especially when nobody really cares, its the best thing you could do.
or hell
WOULD AN ADMIN CLOSE THIS THREAD ALREADY?
Post by: NightL1fe on August 24, 2003, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 06:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 03:37 AM) | ||||
Boycott the xbox? Boy are you good at changing words. Thar's a far stretch from returning your xbox and getting another one til it has a Samsung inside. And um, YOU may be cheating MS but I am not. And just because you may be cheating MS doesn't mean I'm gona kiss their asses and let them cheat me. |
so this isnt called trying to get people to boycott?
| QUOTE |
| Let's piss these merchants off guys. Let's get them seeing red and calling MS and telling them not to send their shit to their stores. |
thats called a fucking boycott attempt if ive ever heard one
hell, if you feel that trongly about it, go to petitiononline.org and make a petition agaisnt MS... *laughing at the thought of an attempt at that*
hah
well, have fun with your samsung!
and again i beg
WOULD AN ADMIN PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!?!?
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 03:46 AM) | ||
And that's perfectly their right to do. I would consider the Samsung'ed unit or play on another gaming system. I'd decide that IF this happened. But I would not have a problem with MS giving people xboxes of different worth because at least it would be understood and labeled. I'd simply either buy it or think the price was too high. (NeoGeo comes to mind. Loved it but wouldn't own it. Never bitched other than "Wow. Salty price.") But what's unfair is MS wrapps up this hardware in a mysterybox that I as a consumer can not fully ascertain until I get the unit opened. Some stores will not let you return this unit. And you don't even know what you bought til you get it home. That's crap. |
well see, the thing is, modding an xbox is perfectly legal, but the bios isnt...
but you cant mod it without the bios...
so if you are breaking the law to mod your xbox wht should ms give you an extra like a cdr reading dvd-rom?
Post by: NightL1fe on August 24, 2003, 06:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 24 2003, 10:46 PM) | ||
And that's perfectly their right to do. I would consider the Samsung'ed unit or play on another gaming system. I'd decide that IF this happened. But I would not have a problem with MS giving people xboxes of different worth because at least it would be understood and labeled. I'd simply either buy it or think the price was too high. (NeoGeo comes to mind. Loved it but wouldn't own it. Never bitched other than "Wow. Salty price.") But what's unfair is MS wrapps up this hardware in a mysterybox that I as a consumer can not fully ascertain until I get the unit opened. Some stores will not let you return this unit. And you don't even know what you bought til you get it home. That's crap. |
ya thats your case because you are a selfish idiot.. but myself and other people like it the way it is..
<edit> what makes you think i have a phllips? are you a fuken total twat or what?
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 07:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 04:01 AM) | ||
No it has nothing to do with boycotting. It's hoes that if enough people take the drives back that have cheaper drives in them that the merchants will say enough is enough and they will call MS and tell them not to send them any more shipments of xbox with Thompson or Philips drives in them til Thompson or Philips up the specs of their drives. It doesn't have a thing in the world to do with a boycott where the talk would be of everybody stop buying a certain product. And nobody said stop buying xboxes. |
yeah, thats called a boycott... but hey, i thogut you said to take them back and not buy theones with the "shitty" drives in them...
but uhm, if thats all they make now thats telling people to not buy an xbox, thats a boycott dude...
im sorry that you cant take it upon yourself to give up trying to make us return our xboxes doe a samsung dvd rom drive... or maybe you want pitty from us, i dont know, but i really think you need some fucking help if a dvd-rom drive is that big of a deal to you
Post by: Mad_Gouki on August 24, 2003, 07:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 04:07 AM) | ||||||
Okay. This'd be like the 5th time I said it now. Can you please pay attention this time? This issue has nothing to do with modding an xbox. Maybe your xbox is modded but that has nothing to do with me. I have a pure unmodded xbox on an xbox live account on which I play xbox live and retail games. IF CD-r reading can be done on an xbox, then I want it and have it. I can then put my own custom music in games. Perhaps stuff you can't buy on CD. Perhaps my own sequences. Maybe that does not interest you. But if this reader can read CD-R's then it can maybe read other stuff. I have also personally seen with my own eyes xboxes load games faster when they load them from a Samsung. I have seen Philips and Thompsons choke on rented games with small scratches. I have heard lots of talk about horrible problems with KOTOR. Lots of bugs, lots of crashing and locking up. Doesn't happen for me. Every time I PM someone and I ask them to describe their DVD tray, what they describe to me is a Philips or Thompson EVERY TIME. |
well you cna use a cdrw to put custom tracks into a game too...
and if all you want a specific xbox is for putting custom tracks into a game you have some major issues and a dvd-rom drive isnt your biggest problem...
Post by: NightL1fe on August 24, 2003, 07:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 24 2003, 11:07 PM) | ||||||
Okay. This'd be like the 5th time I said it now. Can you please pay attention this time? This issue has nothing to do with modding an xbox. Maybe your xbox is modded but that has nothing to do with me. I have a pure unmodded xbox on an xbox live account on which I play xbox live and retail games. IF CD-r reading can be done on an xbox, then I want it and have it. I can then put my own custom music in games. Perhaps stuff you can't buy on CD. Perhaps my own sequences. Maybe that does not interest you. But if this reader can read CD-R's then it can maybe read other stuff. I have also personally seen with my own eyes xboxes load games faster when they load them from a Samsung. I have seen Philips and Thompsons choke on rented games with small scratches. I have heard lots of talk about horrible problems with KOTOR. Lots of bugs, lots of crashing and locking up. Doesn't happen for me. Every time I PM someone and I ask them to describe their DVD tray, what they describe to me is a Philips or Thompson EVERY TIME. |
you heard this and heard that.. have you ran the test yourself to prove this bullshit?
also if the people have a tompson dont you think the bought it over 1-2 years ago and the DVD lens and getting dirty or faulty?
you stupid assumptions dont mean shit with no hard evidence...
Boo fucken hoo.. grow up and stop crying
Post by: enigmatl on August 24, 2003, 07:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mad_Gouki @ Aug 25 2003, 03:13 AM) | ||||||||
well you cna use a cdrw to put custom tracks into a game too... and if all you want a specific xbox is for putting custom tracks into a game you have some major issues and a dvd-rom drive isnt your biggest problem... |
Can't you read? I also said that games like KOTOR have a very good chance at crapping all over Philips and Thompson. Every time someone gets a bug in KOTOR, their drive is Philips and Thompson every time that I've seen/heard of it and got to talk to the person. We rented a few games from Blockbuster not more than 2 weeks ago. One of my friends has a Philips and the rest of us have Samsungs. Guess who was unable to play DOA? The DVD drive brand didn't start with an S that's for sure. And that disc didn't even have any DEEP scratches in it. Just some minor ones. That just sucks.
Post by: EvilWays on August 24, 2003, 07:36:00 PM
go on eBay or other auction site and find someone selling a Samsung, or c) take your Xbox back and buy a PS2 or GameCube. On second thought, don't buy a PS2...you'll probably bitch when there's a hardware revision and for some reason has an "extra feature" not normally intended and you don't get it in yours. Now if you please, STFU...and will an admin PLEASE close this damn thread?
Post by: andrusk on August 24, 2003, 07:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (enigmatl @ Aug 25 2003, 03:33 AM) | ||
Hey dumbass, there is no way you can put your own custom music in a video game if you have a Philips! And depending on the brand of DVD you have, the Thompson is no better. Part of what the xbox does is let you put custom music in your games! You can only do that on those crap a$$ drives if you get lucky. My Samsung will take anything I throw at it. So I'm sorry you got ripped by MS, but I have a Samsung and now, anybody who wants one knows what to do. |
hey, fuck you dipshit. I didnt get ripped off, im happy with what i have, and yes i can add custom music if i use my cd-rws. As well as do anything else that i want with my xbox because its chipped. You are a waste of space and need to stop posting. Grow up and get a life. Like i said before, no one gives a shit about your complaint!
Post by: BCfosheezy on August 24, 2003, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: powercntrl on August 24, 2003, 10:32:00 PM
The only thing you can do if you want an Xbox with a Samsung drive or a LCD monitor with no defective pixels is to buy them from a store with a good satisfaction guarantee and exchange until you get what you want. MS doesn't advertise the ability to read CD-Rs on the Xbox... I'll admit, as a modder, it's a feature I wanted... Out of the 4 Xboxes I bought, 3 had Samsungs on the first try - the one that didn't, I got it after one exchange.
I do agree with the other poster that if MS were to level the playing field, they'd simply drop Samsung and that would be bad... Regardless of whether or not you hate MS, please don't return Xboxes you've broken the seals on just to swap out a Samsung drive. If MS notices there's a "Samsung Shrink" problem, they'll probably drop them and that'll be it... If you're trying to get a Samsung drive, just buy a new Xbox and power it up - if it turns out not to have a Samsung drive, don't break the seals - just carefully pack it back in the box and return it so it can be sold to someone else who won't care it has a Philips or Thompson drive.
Post by: bleugh on August 25, 2003, 01:55:00 AM
when somene else has something better than them, they want it,
when someone else brought a newer model than them, they expect a free upgrade.
heck when someone else owns something better than them, and they can't afford it, they just go in and take it.........
Bush has iraq's oil now doesnt he?
food for oil?????
give 'em cash M8, then let them do what they want
Post by: elfey1 on August 25, 2003, 06:16:00 AM
Post by: sum.zero on September 14, 2003, 08:26:00 AM
let's get something straight, almost all [all?] manufacturers of electronic devices use many different suppliers for the same parts based on low bid. if you open several different cell phones, stereos, etc you will notice differences in the suppliers of the chips, capaciters, etc. this is common and perfectly legal as long as the device meets the advertised working requirements.
does this occassionally create a superior product for some? yes, but that is not the issue. all the products are still able to perform the same basic core functions.
your argument that this should be illegal is flawed [to say the least] and would DEFINITELY lead to much higher prices.
hell, one analogy would be to say that intel and amd must ensure that all of their cpus have the exact same oc capabilities across steppings because the are all p4 2.4's or xp 2100+'s. not going to happen.
man, i think i should file a lawsuit because i only got 66mhz oc out of my old tbird 1.33, but my buddy got 100...
i have a thomson. do i think it's great? no. does it do what ms said it will? yes.
end of story.
sum.zero
Post by: sum.zero on September 14, 2003, 08:36:00 AM
"And I'm not trying to make anyone return anything. "
uhm:
"Needless to say, he's taking it right back and telling them exactly why. I'd suggest that when you guys buy xboxes that don't contain Samsungs in them that you do the same thing."
contradiction?
sum.zero
Post by: powerben5000 on September 14, 2003, 12:33:00 PM
Ultimately your strategy would unfairly force the store to absorb the loss of returned Xboxes (which cannot legally be sold as 'new' even if in mint condition), and will be counterproductive - you're just raising the prices for everyone else. Why should I subsidize your insatiable 'need' for a Samsung drive in the form of higher prices?
Let me also tell you that class-action suits are a complete joke. Your lawsuit would be laughed out of court, if it got that far. Even if you miraculously *won*, the lawyers would get $30 million in legal fees, and the remainder of the cash would be divided amongst the 'class' (plaintiffs), so you'd be lucky to get a $5 coupon for Xbox merchandise. Class action suits are great for Lawyers but no one else.
If you *must* have a Samsung drive, pick through a pile of Xboxes at your local Circuit City,looking for a version 1.3 Xbox, chances are that a 1.3 will have a Sammy. Sell the excess parts on eBay and keep the Samsung drive as bounty. That's fair and no one gets screwed.
| QUOTE |
| typical yanks. when somene else has something better than them, they want it, when someone else brought a newer model than them, they expect a free upgrade. heck when someone else owns something better than them, and they can't afford it, they just go in and take it......... |
bleugh, Don't try to stereotype Americans, the national 500,000 majority of us didn't vote for George II.
Post by: animex2 on September 14, 2003, 01:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (n00bxbox @ Aug 24 2003, 11:34 PM) |
| first of all, nobody except millionaires have dvd burners, and dvd burners are too slow, not worth buying till they hit about 16X. Second of all, as long as you have a big hard drive in the xbox, you dont need it to read cdrs. Just copy your Games/MP3/Videos to its hd and you are fine. I got a 30GB Quantum Fireball in it and its doing fine. |
are you high? I got mine a year ago... HP dvd-writer dvd100i... 200 bucks...
It works fine for me... Considering most tuts tell you to burn at 1-2 x... I go up to 2.4x burn speed and i can only burn on to DVD+RW media wich is fine by me... I can alaways fix bad burns without wasting the cd... But millionaires is a liuttle extreme... Im in highschool and i bought it on my own money...
Post by: Devil-Man on September 14, 2003, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: EvilWays on September 14, 2003, 09:29:00 PM
And powerben5000: I'm one of those 500,000 who didn't vote for George Dub-ya the Second...
Post by: rzyzzy on September 14, 2003, 10:30:00 PM
oh, and I didn't vote for Dub-ya either!
Post by: deghost on September 14, 2003, 11:45:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| first of all, nobody except millionaires have dvd burners, and dvd burners are too slow, not worth buying till they hit about 16X. Second of all, as long as you have a big hard drive in the xbox, you dont need it to read cdrs. Just copy your Games/MP3/Videos to its hd and you are fine. I got a 30GB Quantum Fireball in it and its doing fine |
Last time I checked my bank account I believe it said I had $ 0.82, If this is an error please inform me where the other $ 999,999,998.18 is.
I personally have a 4x $189 wonder that sure doesnt seem that slow to me when it is putting 4.37 gb of info on the disk. The media for it is coming down now you can get them for about 1$ a piece so I think it was a good investment.
| QUOTE |
| It's pretty well known in the xbox community that Thomsons have a very *short* lifespan, often less than a year - no matter what the MS tech support people say, they cannot argue that these drives are equal, either in performance or lifespan. |
I have a Thomson drive in my box and have yet to have a problem with it either. I must be one of the few. The box is a v1.0 so its been around for sometime
Post by: C-5 on September 15, 2003, 12:02:00 AM
2. Jump on Ebay and buy a Samsung... ie http://cgi.ebay.com/...&category=20385
3. Quit your damn whining...
Or you can go give a lawyer a few hundered dollars to go file that big bad threatening lawsuit so a judge can laugh at you...