Post by: Cargasm on June 08, 2005, 10:18:00 PM
I live in Canada so the video standard is NTSC. Some of my games are NTSC and others are PAL. I was just curious to whether the video regions of the games would affect the graphics. Like if I a PAL games, would getting the NTSC version be an improvement for graphics?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 04:12:00 AM
QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Jun 10 2005, 10:01 PM)
^ He is using DLP projection with highband component interconnects.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: flashfreak on June 10, 2005, 06:44:00 AM
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U 2 keep fighting. I'm just gonna post my ideas.
You say pal is only 50hz and ntsc can be 60, or whatever, but PAL 60 has that name for a reason. I'm not saying i know what im on about, but just reminding u of pal 60.
U can keep fighting now
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 06:45:00 AM
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Post by: flashfreak on June 10, 2005, 06:44:00 AM
You say pal is only 50hz and ntsc can be 60, or whatever, but PAL 60 has that name for a reason. I'm not saying i know what im on about, but just reminding u of pal 60.
U can keep fighting now
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 06:45:00 AM
QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Jun 11 2005, 12:43 AM)
What you believe and what is fact are two very different things.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jun 11 2005, 12:55 AM)
U 2 keep fighting. I'm just gonna post my ideas.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: Cyberdude93 on June 10, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Right. This is how I see it.
I'm going to assume that your Xbox is in NTSC mode, as HDTV is disabled when set to PAL. Sadly I can only say I've tried the opposite of your scenario; NTSC games seem to default to PAL 50. Now most games should run perfectly when forced to a different Hz (and I'm talking about NTSC games only for 60Hz being run in 50Hz, your PAL games will be partially 60Hz compatible). However SOME games seem to have problems. NTSC Megaman Aniversary collection runs slower in regular PAL, and I assume if the PAL version isn't 60Hz compatible (if there WAS a PAL version), it'll run faster in NTSC mode.
NTSC games will work 100% of the time, but most PAL games won't have a problem. Don't hold me to that though =P
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: total_ass on June 10, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
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PAL 60 > NTSC > PAL 50.
'nuff said.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: EricJD on June 10, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
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Well I can't really tell the difference between my NTSC games and my PAL games...
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: Qwaz on June 10, 2005, 05:44:00 PM
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hang on... while were arguing about minute stupid differences which colour white is better
the dulux white paint
or the homebase brand white paint
personally i dont see any difference though i think someof you might be able to have a big fight about it
lol love the signiture dude abouve.... reverse phsycology rocks
i hovered my mouse over it... almost ready to click then thought no... i dont do reverse phsycology
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:21:00 AM
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Post by: Cyberdude93 on June 10, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
I'm going to assume that your Xbox is in NTSC mode, as HDTV is disabled when set to PAL. Sadly I can only say I've tried the opposite of your scenario; NTSC games seem to default to PAL 50. Now most games should run perfectly when forced to a different Hz (and I'm talking about NTSC games only for 60Hz being run in 50Hz, your PAL games will be partially 60Hz compatible). However SOME games seem to have problems. NTSC Megaman Aniversary collection runs slower in regular PAL, and I assume if the PAL version isn't 60Hz compatible (if there WAS a PAL version), it'll run faster in NTSC mode.
NTSC games will work 100% of the time, but most PAL games won't have a problem. Don't hold me to that though =P
Post by: total_ass on June 10, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
'nuff said.
Post by: EricJD on June 10, 2005, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Qwaz on June 10, 2005, 05:44:00 PM
the dulux white paint
or the homebase brand white paint
personally i dont see any difference though i think someof you might be able to have a big fight about it
lol love the signiture dude abouve.... reverse phsycology rocks
i hovered my mouse over it... almost ready to click then thought no... i dont do reverse phsycology
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Qwaz @ Jun 11 2005, 11:55 AM)
lol love the signiture dude abouve.... reverse phsycology rocks
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 03:26:00 AM
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PAL is 50hz.
NTSC is 60hz.
PAL-60 is PAL at 60hz.
PAL also (in my opinion) has better colour than NTSC so it is my personal preference. my TV can switch between all 3 but i generally leave it on PAL-60
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:37:00 AM
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Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 03:26:00 AM
NTSC is 60hz.
PAL-60 is PAL at 60hz.
PAL also (in my opinion) has better colour than NTSC so it is my personal preference. my TV can switch between all 3 but i generally leave it on PAL-60
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:37:00 AM
QUOTE(total_ass @ Jun 11 2005, 09:37 PM)
my TV can switch between all 3 but i generally leave it on PAL-60
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 03:50:00 AM
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not necessarily over here in the UK and a lot of Europe NTSC is a common feature but no present in all TV sets.
90% of TVs support PAL 60 though.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:54:00 AM
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Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 03:50:00 AM
90% of TVs support PAL 60 though.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 03:54:00 AM
QUOTE(total_ass @ Jun 11 2005, 10:01 PM)
not necessarily over here in the UK and a lot of Europe NTSC is a common feature but no present in all TV sets.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: Dreamcazman on June 11, 2005, 04:40:00 AM
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You guys seem to have forgotten that PAL in general runs at a higher resolution, 576 lines instead of 480 for NTSC. PAL is considered the superior format, it was developed after NTSC and as such improvements were made, better colour, higher res, but lower refresh rate, I guess due to the line increase.
I compared a few of my PAL PS2 games that are PAL optimised and run at 50Hz do look better than the NTSC counterpart, hence the higher resolution. This is notable with movie DVD's also.
The games on Xbox won't generally look any different whether they're run in PAL mode or NTSC mode as their locked* at the 640x480 resolution and aren't taking advantage of the extra 100 or so lines the PAL format is capable of.
*There are a few exceptions though, like the PAL50 only games that will not run in NTSC mode. However I don't know if they take advantage of the higher resolution.
But as Cargasm is using a DLP projector, I wouldn't use anything other than progressive scan, which you can only do when the Xbox is set in NTSC. This will be much better than an interlaced image.
True PAL progressive (mainly for movies) on the other hand is way better than NTSC progressive, again due to the higher resolution. There is a slight flicker, due to the slower refresh rate, but it's forgiveable.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 04:49:00 AM
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now who was that that was boasting about ntsc???
ubviously, NTSC would be better for him, because of the DLP projector.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 05:40:00 AM
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which is why PAL-60 was developed. Same refresh rate, better picture.
PAL-60 is indeed the superior format.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 05:59:00 AM
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Post by: Dreamcazman on June 11, 2005, 04:40:00 AM
I compared a few of my PAL PS2 games that are PAL optimised and run at 50Hz do look better than the NTSC counterpart, hence the higher resolution. This is notable with movie DVD's also.
The games on Xbox won't generally look any different whether they're run in PAL mode or NTSC mode as their locked* at the 640x480 resolution and aren't taking advantage of the extra 100 or so lines the PAL format is capable of.
*There are a few exceptions though, like the PAL50 only games that will not run in NTSC mode. However I don't know if they take advantage of the higher resolution.
But as Cargasm is using a DLP projector, I wouldn't use anything other than progressive scan, which you can only do when the Xbox is set in NTSC. This will be much better than an interlaced image.
True PAL progressive (mainly for movies) on the other hand is way better than NTSC progressive, again due to the higher resolution. There is a slight flicker, due to the slower refresh rate, but it's forgiveable.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 04:49:00 AM
ubviously, NTSC would be better for him, because of the DLP projector.
Post by: total_ass on June 11, 2005, 05:40:00 AM
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There is a slight flicker, due to the slower refresh rate, but it's forgiveable.
which is why PAL-60 was developed. Same refresh rate, better picture.
PAL-60 is indeed the superior format.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 11, 2005, 05:59:00 AM
QUOTE(total_ass @ Jun 11 2005, 11:51 PM)
PAL-60 is indeed the superior format.
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Title: Pal Vs Ntsc
Post by: Pizza Pizz on June 11, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
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If you are gonna run your ntsc or any xbox in PAL 60 then I would suggest that first you double check it is set up right first.
NTSC peeps - but note this is assuming that your TV will dispaly a PAL signal first - don't blame me if you set it to PAL and get a total black screen and have to reset it back to NTSC "blindly" when you find out your NTSC TV don't display PAL 50/60 at all
Force your xbox to PAL via enigmah say and then go to your ms dash and check that PAL 60 is enabled/YES in the settings to ensure the frame rate don't drop on certain games - Otherwise you could be running some PAL stuff in slower PAL 50
(PAL 60 option only shows up when running in PAL mode or PAL xbox's - Doohhhh you already knew that I presume)
You only need to do this once to ensure that your unleash or evox or whatever dash you using will autoswitch over to the games correct video mode and be fully optimised - ie: PAL 60 where/when needed
Then set your xbox back to ntsc by default via enigmah or whatever
Some games that are LIVE or multi won't always auto-switch to video mode but should still play
You can check the region of ceratin games on ya dash if using avalaunch - highlight the game in ava's menu and press start then go to properties and it will tell ya the region - PAL/NTSC or LIVE=multiregion I think
Soz - some of you will know about this stuff but just pointing out a few things to the others and yes this video mode stuff on xbox is much qwerkier than on PS2 - some TV's I have will boot a NTSC PS2/psx in colour/color via a half decent scart but the same TV will play a ntsc xbox in black & white using a really good fully wired gold plated scart lead - wtf ?????
Most UK TV's made in the last 2 years or so though do seem to play ntsc games in colour ok though - just some of the older ones are qwirky especially so on xbox than PS2 consoles
Alas many NTSC TV's don't like PAL signals at all so please for your own sanity try and check first before you end up with a totally black screen after your forced it to PAL modes
Post by: Pizza Pizz on June 11, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
NTSC peeps - but note this is assuming that your TV will dispaly a PAL signal first - don't blame me if you set it to PAL and get a total black screen and have to reset it back to NTSC "blindly" when you find out your NTSC TV don't display PAL 50/60 at all
Force your xbox to PAL via enigmah say and then go to your ms dash and check that PAL 60 is enabled/YES in the settings to ensure the frame rate don't drop on certain games - Otherwise you could be running some PAL stuff in slower PAL 50
(PAL 60 option only shows up when running in PAL mode or PAL xbox's - Doohhhh you already knew that I presume)
You only need to do this once to ensure that your unleash or evox or whatever dash you using will autoswitch over to the games correct video mode and be fully optimised - ie: PAL 60 where/when needed
Then set your xbox back to ntsc by default via enigmah or whatever
Some games that are LIVE or multi won't always auto-switch to video mode but should still play
You can check the region of ceratin games on ya dash if using avalaunch - highlight the game in ava's menu and press start then go to properties and it will tell ya the region - PAL/NTSC or LIVE=multiregion I think
Soz - some of you will know about this stuff but just pointing out a few things to the others and yes this video mode stuff on xbox is much qwerkier than on PS2 - some TV's I have will boot a NTSC PS2/psx in colour/color via a half decent scart but the same TV will play a ntsc xbox in black & white using a really good fully wired gold plated scart lead - wtf ?????
Most UK TV's made in the last 2 years or so though do seem to play ntsc games in colour ok though - just some of the older ones are qwirky especially so on xbox than PS2 consoles
Alas many NTSC TV's don't like PAL signals at all so please for your own sanity try and check first before you end up with a totally black screen after your forced it to PAL modes