Post by: project722 on January 18, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
on mine but rarely use it. There seems to be only one video setting
in the settings menu, but it does not allow you to change it, which makes
me think it wont support anything else. Ive got an HDTV with the
hdtv pack. When I boot into evox its widescreen,
but only because my tv is set to stretch 4:3. When I set my tv to
natural mode, it goes back to 4:3. However I dont have any problems with
avalaunch or unleashX running 480p or higher.
What is your televisions native resolution?
Post by: Otterman on January 19, 2005, 12:06:00 AM
Anyone out there running games at 480p / 16x9 on a GWIV Sony Lcd? (tv adjusting to fill the screen- not manually chging to fill the scree)?
Post by: project722 on January 19, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
say they support 480p 16x9? I know not all 480p games will be widescreen. Your dash is
not actually in 1080i mode because your tv wont display 1080i. Its being scaled to the native resolution of your TV, which is 768p.
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
It sounds to me like you simply don't have it enabled properly. Try disabling your modchip, using the MS Dash to setup widescreen and your HD settings and then insert an original XBOX game. Or did you do that?
Post by: Otterman on January 19, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
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It sounds to me like you simply don't have it enabled properly. Try disabling your modchip, using the MS Dash to setup widescreen and your HD settings and then insert an original XBOX game. Or did you do that? unsure.gif
I have all mods turned off- and have set all the 480/720/1080 setting to on/ widescreen in the MS dashboard setup menus. I ran Halo 2 from dvd- and it still shows up as 480p/ 4:3 (I read that this game should support 480p/ widescreen). The sony will tell me whether the singal in is either 480/720/1080- and whether it is 16:9 or 4:3.
I'm wondering if it may just be something unique to this sony model. Hopefully someone w/ a similar setup will weigh in. It's confusing to say the least.
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Otterman @ Jan 19 2005, 12:37 PM)
I'm wondering if it may just be something unique to this sony model. -
Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: terabeast on January 19, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
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I don't think Halo 2 supports widescreen, if you see that then your tv is just stretching the picture. Most tv's automatically switch to widescreen for 720p and 1080i because that is their native format, but 480p is always full screen unless otherwise stretched or manually switched on the tv.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
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Is that all you are complaining about? Your TV doesn't auto switch modes for you? Of course it doesn't do that. I have to select "full screen" (which isn't a stretch mode) in order to see widescreen in widescreen, but it's obvious when you have widescreen content, and need to activate fullscreen because everything is tall and narrow if you don't.
BTW I've used Halo 2 in widescreen and every looked "properly" shaped/sized so I think it does support widescreen. But that's why I suggested trying several games. Driving games are good because cars look messed up right away if you are stretching the image.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 09:20:00 PM
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I'm not aware of any TV (not just Sonys) that can detect the difference between 480 widescreen and 480 4:3 automatically over the component connections.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: ydgmms on January 19, 2005, 11:49:00 PM
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Post by: terabeast on January 19, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
BTW I've used Halo 2 in widescreen and every looked "properly" shaped/sized so I think it does support widescreen. But that's why I suggested trying several games. Driving games are good because cars look messed up right away if you are stretching the image.
Post by: Mr Ed on January 19, 2005, 09:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Otterman @ Jan 19 2005, 05:30 PM)
apparently the Sony Wega LCD's like mine and xbox don't pass the proper flags back and forth to set widescreen for 480p 16:9.
I'm not aware of any TV (not just Sonys) that can detect the difference between 480 widescreen and 480 4:3 automatically over the component connections.
Post by: ydgmms on January 19, 2005, 11:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Otterman @ Jan 20 2005, 01:30 AM)
Found the solution in another forum- apparently the Sony Wega LCD's like mine and xbox don't pass the proper flags back and forth to set widescreen for 480p 16:9. For 480i and 720/ 1080, however, things work great- and the sony automatically handles the resizing.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: project722 on January 20, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
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All TV's rely on the incoming signal for aspect ratio information. If this info
is not included in the signal, or...it is but there is a problem negotiating
the res, then it will fall back to 4:3 or whatever screen size the
user selected in the setup menu.
I have read conflicting info on halo 2 and widescreen. More people seem
to think it does actually support 16x9. However my TV also shows halo 2
in full screen when its set to "natural mode" .
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: project722 on January 20, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
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Set it to full. And set your TV to auto aspect = on. This way the tv will adjust the format
automatically according to the information provided from the signal. If there is no aspect
information, then... if the tv is set to full, and is being fed a SD 4:3 image, it will be stretched to fill the screen. HD content on the other hand is different...A HDTV set will not allow any changes to be made to the aspect ratio when the TV is being fed a high def signal. It will always be shown in widescreen, since that is the standard. Any other
setting other than full or natural will have picture loss on the top or sides, or both.
Since I have a RP CRT its prone to burn in, so I use the Full setting to fill the screen. It
takes some getting used to.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: Mr Ed on January 20, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
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Well, I understand the TV knows that 720p and 1080i are in 16:9, but I'm not aware of any information that would let the TV know when a 480i or 480p signal is in 4:3 or 16:9. Of course, just because I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
When tuning an OTA station, it knows, but there is more information being broadcast over an RF/OTA/COAX connection than over a three connector component connection.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: HisDivineShadow on February 16, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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Halo 2 is most definitely not wide screen. It supports 480p which is nice but it output full frame. Sure, you can stretch this using your 'full' mode, but that's not wide screen.
Do not confuse 480p with widescreen. There's no difference in resolution between 480p and 480i (obviously!).
Also, do not confuse anamorphic compression with true widescreen support either (eg. all you those 'enhanced for widescreen' dvds). All anamorphic does is compress the horizontal to let the picture take full advantage of the the vertical resolution when the picture is stretched (at the expense of some horizontal aberations).
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: Mr Ed on February 17, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
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If you have widescreen enabled in your XBOX, and play Halo 2 in a 4:3 aspect ratio, everything looks tall and skinny.
Also, you can see here, it's listed as supporting 16:9
http://hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm
Not sure what else to say?
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: poiygon on March 11, 2005, 04:16:00 PM
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Halo 2 does support widescreen (must be set up in MS dash). As far as the autodetect, it depends on the TV and the signal. I ran the setup on my HD cable box, and 480(i/p) 16:9 automatically filled the screen, where 4:3 gave me bars on the sides. This is with my TV settings to Normal (4:3) = Normal, Widescreen (16:9) = Full.
The only thing that I find annoying about widescreen is that some DVD manufaturers don't know the difference between Widescreen and Letterbox. I think every 1-in-10 DVDs I own that claim Widescreen are really in letterbox. To compensate for this I have to use the Zoom setting to get a better aspect ratio.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: Mr Ed on March 11, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
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Halo2 is widescreen. You may have to manually tell your TV that it's widescreen and not 4:3 though.
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Title: 480p Will Not Show In 16:9, Only 4:3
Post by: project722 on March 11, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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All widescreen formats are letterbox. But not all movies will match your
ws tv's 1.78:1 aspect ratio. Most movies are shot in cinemascope, which
is something like a 21:9 aspect (2.35:1), and will still require "letterboxing".
on 16:9 televisions. The only way to view these movies without letterboxing
is to use a projector.
Post by: project722 on January 20, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
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Mr Ed Posted Today, 05:51 AM
QUOTE(Otterman @ Jan 19 2005, 05:30 PM)
apparently the Sony Wega LCD's like mine and xbox don't pass the proper flags back and forth to set widescreen for 480p 16:9.
I'm not aware of any TV (not just Sonys) that can detect the difference between 480 widescreen and 480 4:3 automatically over the component
connections.
QUOTE(Otterman @ Jan 19 2005, 05:30 PM)
apparently the Sony Wega LCD's like mine and xbox don't pass the proper flags back and forth to set widescreen for 480p 16:9.
I'm not aware of any TV (not just Sonys) that can detect the difference between 480 widescreen and 480 4:3 automatically over the component
connections.
All TV's rely on the incoming signal for aspect ratio information. If this info
is not included in the signal, or...it is but there is a problem negotiating
the res, then it will fall back to 4:3 or whatever screen size the
user selected in the setup menu.
I have read conflicting info on halo 2 and widescreen. More people seem
to think it does actually support 16x9. However my TV also shows halo 2
in full screen when its set to "natural mode" .
Post by: project722 on January 20, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
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ydgmms Posted Today, 09:41 AM
Hmm. Ok. So I guess I should set it to Full all the time then, when playing Xbox games? Or Natural? I'm so confused... biggrin.gif
For games with 720p/1080i (I only have XMen Legends to test) it switches to Natural, which would be 720p in widescreen (for Xmen), and does not allow me to switch to other modes.
For games with 480p (most of them), it lets me select it. I usually put it on Theater Wide 1. Should I change it to Full?
Hmm. Ok. So I guess I should set it to Full all the time then, when playing Xbox games? Or Natural? I'm so confused... biggrin.gif
For games with 720p/1080i (I only have XMen Legends to test) it switches to Natural, which would be 720p in widescreen (for Xmen), and does not allow me to switch to other modes.
For games with 480p (most of them), it lets me select it. I usually put it on Theater Wide 1. Should I change it to Full?
Set it to full. And set your TV to auto aspect = on. This way the tv will adjust the format
automatically according to the information provided from the signal. If there is no aspect
information, then... if the tv is set to full, and is being fed a SD 4:3 image, it will be stretched to fill the screen. HD content on the other hand is different...A HDTV set will not allow any changes to be made to the aspect ratio when the TV is being fed a high def signal. It will always be shown in widescreen, since that is the standard. Any other
setting other than full or natural will have picture loss on the top or sides, or both.
Since I have a RP CRT its prone to burn in, so I use the Full setting to fill the screen. It
takes some getting used to.
Post by: Mr Ed on January 20, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
When tuning an OTA station, it knows, but there is more information being broadcast over an RF/OTA/COAX connection than over a three connector component connection.
Post by: HisDivineShadow on February 16, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
Do not confuse 480p with widescreen. There's no difference in resolution between 480p and 480i (obviously!).
Also, do not confuse anamorphic compression with true widescreen support either (eg. all you those 'enhanced for widescreen' dvds). All anamorphic does is compress the horizontal to let the picture take full advantage of the the vertical resolution when the picture is stretched (at the expense of some horizontal aberations).
Post by: Mr Ed on February 17, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
If you have widescreen enabled in your XBOX, and play Halo 2 in a 4:3 aspect ratio, everything looks tall and skinny.
Also, you can see here, it's listed as supporting 16:9
http://hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm
Not sure what else to say?
Post by: poiygon on March 11, 2005, 04:16:00 PM
The only thing that I find annoying about widescreen is that some DVD manufaturers don't know the difference between Widescreen and Letterbox. I think every 1-in-10 DVDs I own that claim Widescreen are really in letterbox. To compensate for this I have to use the Zoom setting to get a better aspect ratio.
Post by: Mr Ed on March 11, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: project722 on March 11, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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The only thing that I find annoying about widescreen is that some DVD manufaturers don't know the difference between Widescreen and Letterbox. I think every 1-in-10 DVDs I own that claim Widescreen are really in letterbox. To compensate for this I have to use the Zoom setting to get a better aspect ratio.
All widescreen formats are letterbox. But not all movies will match your
ws tv's 1.78:1 aspect ratio. Most movies are shot in cinemascope, which
is something like a 21:9 aspect (2.35:1), and will still require "letterboxing".
on 16:9 televisions. The only way to view these movies without letterboxing
is to use a projector.