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Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: Joshua Wood on December 09, 2004, 10:16:00 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: -Zou- on December 10, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
The reason is that there are a few HDTV in europe. And in US or Japan the HDTV are more popular.
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: fahrenheit on December 10, 2004, 04:06:00 PM
MS are unlikely to give a straight answer, but they want to keep things simple for users. Every monkey that could change their video mode, would be ringing the helpline, bitching because they couldn't get a stable picture on their TV.
Its also likely that the eeprom has a limited life and the last thing MS wants is people flashing it.
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: Joshua Wood on December 12, 2004, 01:33:00 AM
But even if you brought a HDTV in say Europe, you couldn't use HDTV unless you modded your xbox and changed it to NTSC.

Oh well, like I said, I'm not concerned since I can just swap to NTSC.... was more jsut interested. Maybe the PAL HDTV support is just a by-product of converting the NTSC version to PAL... they just left it all in, being lazy, and seeing no need to remove it.
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: ButtersB on December 12, 2004, 10:20:00 AM
In response to the last comment, there is no PAL HDTV support to remove, the hardware is capable of NTSC HDTV, and just outputs in that when the box is set to NTSC.

Is there even a specific PAL HDTV specification? I know 576p exists as the PAL equivalent of 480p, but i didn't think 480p was classed as a HDTV resolution, rather being called EDTV, so i would assume that 576p is under the same classification. Is there specifc PAL HDTV resolutions, or are they just going to use the same resoulutions as the existing HDTV spec? How about framerate? Is PAL sticking with 25, or going to 30? I know the framerates were originally picked as multiples of the power frequency rate, but does that sort of thing matter any more?

Will we get crazy resolutions like 864p, or (probably more sensibly) 720p at 50hz?

It would really be much easier if everyone used the same standards, but then i suppose it would be easier if everyone spoke the same language, but we can't have everything can we?

ButtersB
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: Joshua Wood on December 12, 2004, 10:36:00 PM
What I meant was that PAL games support HDTV modes. I wasn't refering to any PAL HDTV standard as being different from NTSC.

Take Soul Calibur 2 PAL for eg, it support 480p and 720p.... But why bother when PAL xboxs can't enable these modes? That's what I meant by saying it's probably just a byproduct of the NTSC -> PAL conversion.
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: FooLiP on January 03, 2005, 06:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ButtersB @ Dec 12 2004, 06:51 PM)

Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: patto on January 03, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
i think it was because the PAL HDTV standard wasn't finished at the time xbox was launched
Title: Hdtv In Pal - Can It Be Hacked?
Post by: Dreamcazman on January 04, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Joshua Wood @ Dec 13 2004, 06:07 AM)
What I meant was that PAL games support HDTV modes. I wasn't refering to any PAL HDTV standard as being different from NTSC.