Post by: catgut on July 30, 2004, 07:27:00 AM
To review, I play my xbox in HDTV resolutions on my 2001FP by using an
X2VGA
adapter connected to the d-sub input on the 2001fp.
The majority of xbox games support 480p through the x2vga, which works great on the 2001FP. You can find a list of which games support which HDTV modes here:
HDTVArcade.com
I have two games, Dragon's Lair 3D and Enter the Matrix, which go up to 1080i. I tried both of these on the 2001FP last night, and they both had the same display problem.
In 1080i, the picture is sharp, but the contrast/brightness and colors are a mess. There is a "flickering" effect as horizontal bars of darkness, almost like shadows, randomnly move up and down the screen, often obscuring the majority of the image and darkening it so it becomes difficult to see the game and suppressing any display of color. Sometimes they go away briefly, and I see full color, but it's only for a second or two and then everything is back to bands of darkness moving up and down.
I'm going to hook up my old Dell 19" CRT monitor later and see if I get the same effect. Anyone else running 1080i on an X2VGA and an LCD monitor? Is it my monitor, or the X2VGA adapter?
Post by: Mr Ed on July 30, 2004, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: Mr Ed on July 30, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spitwad @ Jul 30 2004, 11:44 AM) |
| No the dell 2001fp doesnt support 480i. |
Then it probably won't support any interlaced mode, such as 1080i.
| QUOTE (Spitwad @ Jul 30 2004, 11:44 AM) |
| Hey catgut, does your 2001fp have some wierd left over images, like burned in images on a crt, left over after gaming for a while? Mine do, and although they disappear after an hour they are quite annoying. And I got dell to send me another 2001fp and I had the same problem on that one, so it's gotta be either my vga cable or my x2vga+ itself. |
Uh, no, it's LCD burn in. It's a known thing that LCDs do. It isn't permanent.
Post by: Foe-hammer on July 30, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Spitwad on July 30, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: catgut on July 31, 2004, 08:12:00 AM
Thanks for the info on 1080i, I'll disable that mode in the MS dash.
Nitty Gritty, I'm really happy with my x2vga/lcd monitor setup. 480p, which most games support, looks great, much better than Svideo on a regular TV. Emulators look great in that mode too. Just be aware that the 2001FP have a very low response time for the LCD, 16ms I believe. Older monitors that longer response times may show "ghosting" when there is a lot of screen updating.
Post by: catgut on August 01, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (nittygritty @ Jul 31 2004, 09:09 PM) |
| Catgut I've actually got my xbox hooked up to the lcd through my video card and was getting that lag in response time but i thought it was just because it had to run through my computer first. so its just the monitor itself? x2vga won't solve this? |
Yes, it may just be the monitor itself if you have an older LCD monitor.
"Response time" for LCD monitors refers to the time it takes for the individual pixels to go from on to off, white to black, change colors, etc.
Older monitors that have higher response times will exhibit "ghosting" or "smearing", because with a fast moving screen update (likely quickly turning left to right in a first person shooter), the video image will be changing faster than the pixels can.
For gaming, you want to find an LCD monitor with a response time under 20ms, generally. The 2001FP has a 16ms response time.
Post by: catgut on August 05, 2004, 08:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (xction @ Aug 5 2004, 05:43 AM) |
That cool you guys got yours to work out, i have my x2vga hookup directly to my dell 2001fp, but all i get is a black screen with the OSD menu. Like this:.jpg) .jpg) No dead pixels so far on my dell 2001fp, but i wish my x2vga worked on my FP. |
Did you enable 480p mode in your MS dash? You might have to hook the x2vga up to a CRT instead of your dell 2001fp to do this because the 2001fp won't display the Easy view mode.
Post by: jeep77 on August 14, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Spitwad on August 14, 2004, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: catgut on August 16, 2004, 08:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (jeep77 @ Aug 16 2004, 11:27 PM) |
| Spitwad, does 480p look good as well? I have heard that when the lcd has to scale the resolution down that the screen looked blurry. |
Look for yourself. I took these images tonight.
These screenshots are of an xbox+x2vga+Dell 2001FP LCD Screen. All screenshots are in 480p mode. I took these with a canon s30. Some are slight blurred due to long exposure time required (no flash to avoid reflection from screen):
Carmen Evox Skin
deetee Evox Skin
homer xbox skin
Full Spectrum Warrior
Soul Calibur
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden 2
Samurai Shodown IV on Kawa-X emulator
Metal Slug X on Kawa-X emulator
Post by: catgut on August 18, 2004, 10:38:00 AM
Try turning off 720p in dash and see if that changes anything.
If not, check dip switch settings on x2vga.
Also make sure you're using a good quality shielded VGA cable and that it isn't running near anything that generates a strong electrical field.
If you still have problems, email x2vga about possible service/replacement.
Post by: catgut on August 18, 2004, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on August 22, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (neomits @ Aug 22 2004, 03:02 PM) |
| There is no way to send progressive output over s-video cable is there? |
nope
Post by: catgut on August 23, 2004, 07:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (neomits @ Aug 22 2004, 11:02 PM) |
| catgut thanks for the shots, any change I could see what it looks like compared to the 480i on that monitor? |
I'll see if I can do some comparison shots of composite vs. svideo vs. 480p on my 2001fp. It'll probably take me a few days to get the time to do them.
Post by: chris1712 on August 28, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: chris1712 on August 29, 2004, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: catgut on August 30, 2004, 06:45:00 AM
Post by: chris1712 on August 31, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
Cheers, ordering Dell 2001FP on saturday, i canne wait mon!
Edit: w00t 200 posts, god thats taken me a while, ive been on here for yonks!
Post by: Spitwad on August 31, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: catgut on September 02, 2004, 07:35:00 AM
Like I said before, you *will* notice some more jagginess due to the extreme sharpness of progressive mode. A lot of game designers rely on composite/svideo pixels bleeding into each other to do some of their anti-aliasing for them.
I'd never call it fugly though, everyone who has seen my setup thinks it looks great. Anyway you can get some digi-cam shots of your "fugly" screens so we can see what's going on?
Post by: ORGANIC_PEPSI on September 02, 2004, 08:00:00 AM
well the thing is i can post some screenshots of how halo looks on my x2vga..but it looks totaly different from what i see on the screen.all the mega jaggies are gone,lol 
i wish the picture qaulity is that good
Post by: catgut on September 02, 2004, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: chris1712 on September 02, 2004, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: catgut on September 02, 2004, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: ORGANIC_PEPSI on September 02, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: catgut on September 02, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (ORGANIC_PEPSI @ Sep 2 2004, 06:08 PM) |
| well the glare of the display makes jaggies almost invisble.if u take a screenshot from an xdk its a different story |
Turn some lights on in the room, turn the camera flash off and put it on a tripod so it can have a long exposure without blurring due to hand movement.
I'm really curious to see if your "fugly" halo looks different than mine.
Post by: chris1712 on September 04, 2004, 11:33:00 AM
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Post by: funboy6942 on September 07, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
My question to you all is what do you have your dip switches set at. Right now all are at default off. Is there a better setting? And where can I get hex edits for some of my games so they will play in progressive? I mean if there is a way I guess I will have to break down and get a larger HDD and figure out how to get my games to it.
Post by: catgut on September 08, 2004, 07:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (funboy6942 @ Sep 7 2004, 11:06 PM) |
| ... And where can I get hex edits for some of my games so they will play in progressive? ... |
Most of the hex edit codes are in this thread:
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=210156
Post by: catgut on September 12, 2004, 05:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (aphesian @ Sep 11 2004, 08:22 PM) |
| My games look great on the Dell FP 2001 with the X2VGA, but with some 480p games they do not fill the screen and instead display in square in the middle almost filling the screen. Is this normal for this setup? Games doing it so far are ESPN NHL 2K5, and Burnout 3. Crimson Skies and Mech Assault fill the screen perfectly. Any ideas? |
Try hitting the "auto adjust" button (the "+" button on the lower right of your monitor) when one of those small screen games is running and the 2001fp should adjust it to fill the screen.
I had that problem with a couple of games when I first started using the 2001fp, but after auto adjusting a few it didn't happen any more.
Post by: chris1712 on September 14, 2004, 07:44:00 AM
Cheers for any help guys,
Post by: catgut on September 14, 2004, 08:39:00 AM
The Dell 2001FP LCD monitor will not display the X2VGA/X2VGA+ 480i "Easy View".
You'll either have to use a regular "Tube" Crt to set up your dashboard, or hex edit your dashboard file to display in 480p.
Post by: chris1712 on September 14, 2004, 09:42:00 AM
. I tried sould caliber in 720p but its all squished into like a vertical rectangle, and its small when put in 1:1 or aspect. Any ideas?
Post by: catgut on September 14, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
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