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Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 26, 2004, 10:45:00 AM

When i play an NTSC dvd on my PAL xbox, no matter what method i use (XBMC, MS dash, DVDx2 etc) it ALWAYS stutters ever few seconds. I don't think its a player issue, but something is causing it. Like i said no matter what player i use it always stutters. Now i have no idea what could be causing this, can someone help me?

Could it be?

1.) An eeprom issue? (May i have to change my region to NTSC for it to work properly?)

2.) My video output (I keep my video output to PAL when i play NTSC dvds because my tv isn't expensive enough to be mult-region)

3.) A drive issue (Don't ask me how, but could it struggle with Region 1 DVDs?)

This is something that one of the experts must be able to solve being as it is related to video and regions. I would like it to be solved please because some of my favourite films (or movies for the americans) are imports.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 27, 2004, 08:06:00 AM

bump.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bucko on July 27, 2004, 09:02:00 AM

could be your tompson drive.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 27, 2004, 02:12:00 PM

that's what i thought, but i copied a divx file onto the hard drive and it still stuttered. Also my friend has a thompson drive and it doesn't do it on his, and why the hell would a drive struggle to play a different region?

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 28, 2004, 11:05:00 AM

bump. you guys are the audio/video experts, you must know the asnwer.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 29, 2004, 03:19:00 AM

bump

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 29, 2004, 07:04:00 AM

i think youll find that it has to be something to do with the software on your xbox. i think a PAL xbox will only send out PAL signals. but i think you can change that somewhere in the MS Dash.
does it work allright when you use any other reigon dvd?
is the divx you made from that disc? it could be the disc your using. does it work ok in something else like anotehr xbox or pc?

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 29, 2004, 07:24:00 AM

first of all, i have only ran pal and ntsc dvds on my pal xbox. pal works no problems, it is ntsc that i am having problems with. i have tried using xbmc, dvdx2 and a hacked ms dash to run other regions, they all stutter when playing ntsc. my friend has no problems running ntsc on his pal xbox, whichever method he uses.

as for the divx, that divx has no problems on my pc or anybody elses pc, therefore it is not a problem with the divx. like i said earlier if you read it, when the divx is on the hard drive of my xbox, it still stutters, meaning it is not a problem with the drive, i think it is because it may have been ripped from an ntsc dvd, which brings me back to the problem above.

is it possible my tv doesn't like the converted ntsc --> pal signal? or any of the reasons in the first post.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: farbird on July 29, 2004, 09:47:00 PM

if u are running off the hdd with xbmc, try increasing the respective cache settings ..

Pal refresh rate is 25 fps and a higher resolution.
Ntsc refresh rate is 30 fps at a lower resolution.

I havent had any problems but then again... my tv and xbox are ntsc sets and i do not have any pal discs...

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 30, 2004, 03:45:00 AM

yer ur right farbird, the NTSC and PAL video and completley different. it might be your TV that cant handle the signal. but i would hav thought a PAL box would only send out PAL signals. check in teh MS Dash to see if what settings there are for video. try hooking you xbox up to another TV and see what happens. if it works fine then its your tv

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 30, 2004, 05:16:00 AM

my video output is set to PAL, is it possible that the tv doesn't like the converted signal? if i set it to NTSC it goes black and white because my tv doesnt support NTSC so i keep it at PAL when playing NTSC. I will try another tv.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 31, 2004, 08:50:00 AM

ok i tried another tv......

same problem

i think it is a problem with my xbox. could my drive struggle to play from a different region, or is that total crap?

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 31, 2004, 08:54:00 AM

yer that is certinally a wird problem ur having. the tv that u tried, does that work fine when playing that disc on another xbox? if so, then there is something seriously wrong with your xbox

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on July 31, 2004, 09:28:00 AM

ok i tried playing it in ntsc mode, there is no stutter, meaning it must be either the xbox struggling to convert, or the tv not being able to handle it. i will investigate further.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 31, 2004, 11:23:00 PM

hey total_ass, i askd me dad, and he said that it sounds like its a software problem. its either the software, or teh xbox is struggling to convert it from NTSC to PAL. have u tried it on a better tv yet? if it does the same stuttering thing, then its your xbox. if not, then its ur tv. id put money on it being your xbox

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bwi on August 01, 2004, 07:36:00 AM

Could it be that because he is trying to ram 30fps signal into a 25fps display, surely something is trying to catch up and maybe it would make sense that a stutter would appear constantly every few seconds?

Just an idea , but if you switch your xbox to ntsc using enigmah and try using a ntsc signal on a a more moden tv see if it happens then.

Bri

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on August 01, 2004, 08:27:00 AM

i hav changed my video output to ntsc, and the stuttering stops, however i do no have a tv that supports ntsc so i cannot keep it at that. i need to work out why it is stuttering and how/if it can be stopped.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bwi on August 01, 2004, 11:36:00 AM

Not much you can do then apart from getting a new tv.

Can your tv do the 60hz option?

Bri

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on August 01, 2004, 11:57:00 AM

My tv can do 60hz mode but it cuts off the picture, that is a no-go.

Getting a new tv is not going to help because it is most likely not a problem with the tv. the xbox is supposed to allow ntsc playback with a pal picture, meaning it is most likely a problem with the xbox if it is not playing properly.

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bwi on August 01, 2004, 12:45:00 PM

How can you say your tv does 60hz but then say it "cuts off the picture" thats like saying my car is can move but at the moment it can't,


Talking to a mate we reckon that because the display is trying to put an extra 5 frames each second that when it gets to 5 seconds (25 frames) the software tries to pull the film back in correct sequence (hence the jump)


I'm just not convinced its your xbox, try the system on a decent tv and im positive that you wont have a problem. Your trying to mix up diffent video signals and it aint going to like that.

Bri

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: farbird on August 02, 2004, 09:29:00 PM

Time to get a NTSC or multi system TV..
My guess is that u are residing in the UK?

They are quite relunctant to change their PAL 1 standard right?

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 03, 2004, 06:19:00 AM

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bwi on August 06, 2004, 02:32:00 AM

Bri

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: total_ass on August 06, 2004, 03:17:00 AM

QUOTE (bwi @ Aug 6 2004, 09:35 AM)

I told him about the pal 60 option but his tv cant hack it. He doesnt seem to want to listen and is intent on ripping his xbox to bits.

when did i make references to ripping my xbox to bits?

Title: Playing Ntsc Dvds On A Pal Xbox
Post by: bwi on August 08, 2004, 07:26:00 AM

i didnt mean taking it apart literally, but you just can seem to accept what people are telling you, what do you want us to say to you. Yeah your eeprom, dvd, MB is buggered when it clearly isnt.

Two people have told you the same point so why dont you listen?

bri