Post by: mattb on July 14, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
. BTW- I wonder if Xbox2 will utilize similar technology for its expansive games.
Post by: Mr Ed on July 15, 2004, 11:11:00 AM
Now assuming for whatever reason you dont want to do that, Blu Ray isnt going to be available here until mid 2005. And then there probably won't be any movies available except for some travel documentaries.
More reality check. Remember when DVD players were new? My first DVD player which was a second generation one was $800. Thats right. So, now assuming Blu Ray players (and say 5 movies-remember content will be a problem for the first two years) become available by mid 2005 The players will be close to $1,000. It will take at least a year before they fall below $500.
Also, Hollywood hasnt been quick to jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon. In fact, a lot of studios are supporting the HD-DVD (thats the stupid 15GB disc) because the manufacturing process is cheaper and similar to current DVDs.
Will the XBOX2 have a Blu-Ray drive? No way. Its too expensive. No game system will until around 2008 at a minimum. Remember how long it took before game consoles moved from cartridges to CD-ROMs and then to DVDs?
Yes, the idea of HD video on a DVD is exciting, unfortunately the technology is moving at a snails pace mostly because of business/politics. Im guessing you wont have an HD DVD player before 2006.
BTW not sure what the FCC has to do with recordable media, but if you are talking about broadcasting, you can assume the same slow ramp up of local channels carrying HD content as has been going on for years. Next season the majority of prime time shows should be in HD if you live in a city (i.e. not rural.) The FCC has waterdown its timelines/guidelines so much that stations can basically adopt HDTV when they feel like it.
Post by: Mr Ed on July 15, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: M-K-E! on July 15, 2004, 11:52:00 AM
edit,
here's one of the many link's to it (googl ps3 blu ray)
http://www.ps3land.c...s/article24.php
| QUOTE ("xbox next spec's") |
| Memory/Storage 256MB+ System RAM 80GB+ Removeable/Internal Hard Drive/Flash Memory storage Dual-layer DVD (9.4GB), Blu-Ray disks (25GB+) or custom MS disk. |
Post by: mattb on July 16, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on July 17, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
Here's a refurb for $400.
http://www.macmall.c...mail,mwbfroogle
I had one for two weeks and it was great. I returned it due to an inability to record ATSC material with my HDTV because my Sony HDTV doesn't fully implement the FireWire specification.
I had specifically bought it the VCR to be able to record in HD, but since you are shopping for non-recordable technology, this shortcoming shouldn't be an issue to you.Anyway, it was great. You should stop complaining and get one
As for those cheap DVDs. Have you seen the capacity? D-VHS tapes are over 50GB. A dual layer Blu-Ray disc is over 50GB. That's the type of storage capacity you need for good HD bitrates and content. I couldn't find the capacity of an EVD disc, but I bet it's too low. It looks like they are using MPEG4/WM9 type codecs to try and get more video out of a lower capacity disc. The reviewer even said the color/resolution wasn't as good as his standard DVD of Hero. This IMHO is not HDTV. WM9 is not HDTV. Only MPEG2 is HDTV.
Anyway, I agree the technology should be coming out faster. But like I said, if you want movies in HDTV, get yourself a JVC D-VHS VCR and some D-Theater movies. Otherwise, you're going to have to wait for Blu-Ray, which will eventually win the format wars, for better or worse (I'm not a Sony fan-in general I hate their products, but I'm a big HDTV, and ironically, I ended up buying a Sony HDTV)
Post by: Mr Ed on July 17, 2004, 09:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (mattb @ Jul 16 2004, 03:58 PM) |
| but it is a great first step. |
IMHO it's a horrible first step. In fact it's not a first step, it's the second step. D-VHS was the first step. It's a step backwards from what we have with D-VHS for over two years!
Post by: mattb on July 17, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: mattb on July 17, 2004, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on July 17, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (mattb @ Jul 17 2004, 05:39 PM) |
| BTW- How fast is D-VHS growing, in your opinion? |
slowly
| QUOTE (mattb @ Jul 17 2004, 05:39 PM) |
| BTW- How fast is D-VHS growing, in your opinion? And do you think it will become a household name? |
No not at all, it will be like Laserdiscs were. It will never have a catalog the size of VHS although, so far neither has DVD. But it will never even have a catalog of movies as large as DVD. But if you want HDTV movies now, it's the only game in town.
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Title: Blue Laser Technology/ Hd Dvd!
Post by: Mr Ed on July 17, 2004, 04:56:00 PM
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Post by: Mr Ed on July 17, 2004, 04:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (mattb @ Jul 17 2004, 05:21 PM) |
| what's the movie selection like on d-vhs |
There are more movies available in this format than for EVD or in WM9. There are probably more movies available in this format than there will be for Blu-Ray for about 2 years. But selection is limited, no doubt. In two years from now, I expect the number of Blu-Ray movies will surpass the number of D-VHS movies.
| QUOTE (mattb @ Jul 17 2004, 05:21 PM) |
| what's the movie selection like on d-vhs and where can I find an abundance of movies? |
Well, Amazon carries a lot of D-VHS.
http://www.dvdempire.com probably has the best selection.
http://www.dvhsmovieguide.com lists about all the movies available.
Post by: Jagosix on July 18, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (M-K-E! @ Jul 15 2004, 07:52 PM) |
| i dont know about the thing in there about game consoles using it until 2008, i remember reading an article that the ps3 is going to use the blu ray disc's developed by sony for it's consoles. ill try to find a link to the article.. edit, here's one of the many link's to it (googl ps3 blu ray) http://www.ps3land.c...s/article24.php |
Hello, Dude do u realise the cost of the Blu-Ray drive & Disc ? Then cost in the Factor of the developers that have to produce games on that Disc? The Cost will be passed on Down to the consumers, who will not be a happy bunch. Even though we're talkin about 2yrs Down the rd. I don't think the Price of Blu-Ray's going2 drop so low that Sony can include them in a console by 2005-6. If they did the cost of the system would be say...$700+ & the games would be about $70-$100 (blank blu-rays cost about $50 ea.)
Also Sony would be banking the Cost per console (ala M$) if they Did incorporate the Blu-Ray Disc. Sony has a lot of money, But even their pockets arent as deep as M$. But .. I'll just use the wait & c approach.
u can learn something from everybody.
Post by: Mr Ed on July 19, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
So let's review...
Pioneer released the DVR-A03 in 2001. Probably cost $600 and blank discs were $25. It took around 4 years before the prices fell so much that they might consider putting them in a game system. Blu-Ray adoption will be slower as most consumers are happy enough with DVDs. So it will be over 4 years before these things drop that much in price.
Post by: apw100 on July 19, 2004, 07:19:00 PM
The only way any sort of Blu-Ray or other HD technology would be incorporated into a console would be as a way to stop piracy(similar to how Nintendo used a custom DVD disc, and Dreamcast(to no avail) used a GDROM disc). On the other hand, never say never.... lol
Post by: irfan on July 26, 2004, 11:16:00 PM
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