Post by: mattb on November 15, 2003, 02:05:00 PM
If anybody has a website that discusses prospective models, please tell me. Thanks for your time
Post by: Mr Ed on November 15, 2003, 07:28:00 PM
I was at CES last year, and their was still a dearth of information it seemed. Very disappointing.
Over the next year, expect to see LCoS come into it's own. In two to three years DLP will not even be made anymore because of LCoS (according to what I'm told). Not in time for January 2004, however, but perhaps a cheap LCoS or two will be out (by cheap I mean less than $4,000US as it seems no decent HDTV is less than $4,000 yet
) At the end of next year, expect a leap in quality with a drop in price for flat panel (plasma, etc.) technologies.That's about all I know.
Post by: mattb on November 15, 2003, 08:17:00 PM
I have seen plasmas in the $3000 range and they satisfied me, but they still don't have those 2 DVI inputs. Hmm... Even the $20,000 Mitsubishi doesn't have 2 DVI's, or at least I think.Abt Electronics (the 82 incher)
Post by: Mr Ed on November 16, 2003, 06:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (mattb @ Nov 15 2003, 10:17 PM) |
| Wow! You have HIGH standards for "decent"! I have seen plasmas in the $3000 range and they satisfied me, but they still don't have those 2 DVI inputs. Hmm... Even the $20,000 Mitsubishi doesn't have 2 DVI's, or at least I think.Abt Electronics (the 82 incher) |
Remember that a TV with an integrated HDTV tuner (i.e. not needing a set top box to tune HDTV stations) needs 1 less DVI connector right? I mean, the reason you need two is, 1 for the set top box and one for your DVD player right? Well if it has an integrated tuner (like the Mitsubishis) you don't need a set top box.
Post by: Mr Ed on November 16, 2003, 06:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (mattb @ Nov 15 2003, 10:17 PM) |
| Wow! You have HIGH standards for "decent"! |
Yeah I guess.
I consider the Diamond Series Mitsubishi 65" to be "decent." That seems to offer the right size picture with the right features (integrated tuner, firewire, DVI) with a pretty nice picture. I've seen plasma, etc. that look as good, but not for around the $4,000 you can get this TV for. Seemed like a competitive plasma in this size was always $8,000 or more, and often didn't include the tuner, so add another $500~$800 for the set top tuner.
So you're probably thinking, why don't I own the 65" diamond series yet? Well, all the past models did not support 720p. I don't believe this years models will either (although I haven't connected my XBOX to one yet to try, and I will in a couple of weeks). I refuse to by an HDTV that doesn't support 720p and 1080i (I'd like 1080p support, but that's a few years off if you want it for under $10,000)
So basically there really isn't a TV out there that has all the features I want:
native 720p
native 1080i
integrated HDTV tuner
firewire
dvi
nice display quality
You know, if someone would just release an amp (Yamaha are you listening) that would support DVI video switching, the TV would only need 1 DVI input.
Post by: mattb on November 16, 2003, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on November 16, 2003, 05:55:00 PM
Well, I also watch the Daily Show on Comedy Central, but like they will ever go HD.
So I've only ever considered getting over the air HDTV. Our local cable company (Cox) sucks for HD content. I think they only have 2 local stations in HD (ABC and CBS, oh an PBS) so no FOX, no WB, no UPN, and no NBC. WTF?!
So what HD channels are you looking forward to getting over cable/satellite if it isn't local channels? And no, DiscoveryHD isn't a valid answer! Am I the only person who thinks Discovery is like the most boring channel ever?
Post by: mattb on November 17, 2003, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: DBZRacer on November 17, 2003, 01:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr Ed @ Nov 16 2003, 07:55 PM) |
| That's a good point. I only watch local programming (i.e. Enterprise, Simpsons, Angel, and 24). Which has caused me to often ask myself, "why do I pay for cable?" Well, I also watch the Daily Show on Comedy Central, but like they will ever go HD. So I've only ever considered getting over the air HDTV. Our local cable company (Cox) sucks for HD content. I think they only have 2 local stations in HD (ABC and CBS, oh an PBS) so no FOX, no WB, no UPN, and no NBC. WTF?! So what HD channels are you looking forward to getting over cable/satellite if it isn't local channels? And no, DiscoveryHD isn't a valid answer! Am I the only person who thinks Discovery is like the most boring channel ever? |
DirecTV NFL Sunday ticket is broadcasting this year in HD! For any football fan out there, there is nothing that can beat watching multiple high def football games on any given sunday!!! (well aside from actually being there...)
Post by: PsychoZX on November 17, 2003, 06:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr Ed @ Nov 16 2003, 10:55 PM) |
| So what HD channels are you looking forward to getting over cable/satellite if it isn't local channels? And no, DiscoveryHD isn't a valid answer! Am I the only person who thinks Discovery is like the most boring channel ever? |
ESPN HD and INHD. But I will probably mainly use it for progressive scan dvds and games. Watching monday night football in HD will be nice too.
Post by: Mr Ed on November 17, 2003, 07:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (PsychoZX @ Nov 17 2003, 08:45 PM) |
| ESPN HD and INHD |
Ok, I know what ESPN is, what's IN?
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 18, 2003, 05:04:00 AM
The tv cost me 1500$ from best buy i got alittle over 200$ off at best buy, with a 10% off coupon.
It's a decent TV it does 1080i, 480p, 720p, 540p. Of course converts 720p to 1080i, i've yet to seen my xbox hooked up to it
Post by: Mr Ed on November 18, 2003, 05:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (xboxmodder4life @ Nov 18 2003, 07:04 AM) |
| i've yet to seen my xbox hooked up to it |
Wow I can't imagine plunking down $1500 for a TV without first bringing my XBOX to the store and hooking it up to see how it does.
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 18, 2003, 07:28:00 AM
I got a hell of a deal the MSRP is 2,099$ on it. Best buy's price is 1708 I got it for 1538$. So that's mainly why i choose the toshiba because of the price/picture. It seemed to be the best bang for the buck.
Post by: mattb on November 18, 2003, 12:23:00 PM
!?! That's BlissPost by: ChrisF on November 18, 2003, 12:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (DBZRacer @ Nov 18 2003, 05:57 PM) |
Best Bang for the buck is what got me in my Mits WS65413 this year. Too bad it doesnt support 720p. Although the Sony counterpart that was 720p compatible only upscaled it to 1080i....  xboxmodder4life: Pick up the MS High Def Pack and hook up your xbox to your 51h83! Once you go big screen high def gaming, you'll never go back... |
You didn't by chance get it at Sears when they accidentally mispriced it did you?
I got my WS55413 for $1249 delivered + a free progressive scan DVD player. The same day the 65413 was $1799 I believe. I saw the 55" on their web site the first morning and ran it through my head all day before my wife and I went to the store that afternoon to buy it. Incredible luck since I hadn't been on Sears' site in over a year.
I am so impressed with the picture and it's only gotten better as everything has settled in. I only regret that I'm moving in a few months and don't want to get it ISF calibrated before putting it on a moving truck.
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 18, 2003, 01:50:00 PM
Also damn that's cheap for a 55inch tv were the mispriced or something?...
I love the mits picture and the toshibas. I was gonna get a 65inch mits but it was to big for my viewing distance (6-10ft)
Post by: ChrisF on November 19, 2003, 01:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (DBZRacer @ Nov 19 2003, 12:33 AM) |
| Yup! I jumped in on the deal the last minute. I printed out the web prices the night before, took a 2 hour lunch from work the next day, and headed to Sears and got the 65413! Best part was that my salesperson was cool and did a 110% pricematch as well as give me an extra $50 off for the delivery since we both didnt know that there was a $50 MIR!!! So final price before taxes was around $1650!!! Not bad for a 2004 $3k set. I am still in the process of remodeling my place so the set hasnt been fully calibrated yet. Just whatever I could do with the Avia HT Calibration disk. If you haven't done so yet, get Finding Nemo; I swear the characters look liked they were popping out of the screen since it was so clear! xboxmodder4life: I'm sitting about 10' away from my 65". Although I can still see the artifacts/pixalation from the SD signal from DirecTV; movies and XBOX games look just right! TV's will shrink in size. Trust me... |
What a deal that was. I'm holding off on ISF until I move. I don't want to get it all setup and then throw my set in a moving truck and bounce it around for a thousand miles. I'll have to try the Nemo DVD.
You are right though - you get used to size very quickly. I sit about 8-9' and a 65" would not be too big but my wife would have never gone for it (and admittedly it may not have fit in the alcove where we have the 55".
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 20, 2003, 06:42:00 AM
But also i'm no longer in highschool i dropped out to get my GED(long story) so therefore i have alot of time to work
Post by: mattb on November 20, 2003, 02:37:00 PM