Post by: CaliSurfer008 on February 07, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: hydraulix on February 08, 2004, 05:24:00 AM
Also, direct mp3 support would rock, although I do like having the integrated WMA option to play my music ingame and throughout the dash, its a hassle to get them all on there using the Soundtrack Editor app, its riddled with bugs, and you also must combine a mp32wma converter to it to get it to upload. Granted its not rocket science to get your tracks onto your xbox in this fashion, just somewhat of a mission.
To be able to dump a shitload of mp3's (which we all have a large collection of) into a dir and randomly play those,.....i think the world would be a better place.
Post by: hydraulix on February 08, 2004, 06:51:00 AM
its simply practicality.
also, why would you want to convert an already lossy format (mp3) down to another lossy format. the ONLY way WMA can sound any better than mp3 is if the WMA files have been encoded from an original source, EG; CD/SACD/DVD-A, etc.
with that being said, I personally would love to have both options, I like WMA, and I know its a better sounding format for audiophiles out there like myself, but only when ripped from an uncompressed source.
btw, xbox rips WMA @ 128k not 96k.
Post by: crobar on February 08, 2004, 07:44:00 AM
like hydraulix siad it maks no sence to conver to another lossy sound format.
MS controlls everything i dont need them controlling my music too...
id much rather point to my mp3 directory than to convert every ting to another format...its just a waste of time
not only that but some mp3s convert bad to wma and your left wiht blips and shit in your music.
mp3's are just easier
and i also would love to see ftp support on that level, but only if it dosent slow down unleash as with any updates to this great dash
Post by: crobar on February 08, 2004, 09:22:00 AM
jeeze, fucking get a life
Post by: MissSplitch on February 08, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
However I'm all for the hassle being the end-user's problem. They can eat potatos until the turkey's done. (And really, if you've got more than 5 songs as background music, you're sitting at the dash for way too long; start playing something.)
Post by: mamajo on February 08, 2004, 01:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Actually what I would like to be able to do is play shoutcast streams in the background, with a variable for the default stream to play. |
Use Avalaunch.
| QUOTE |
| And yeah, definitely ftp client built into the file manager. xbftp is my least favorite homebrew app on my box, I would love to make my app list even smaller. |
Use Avalaunch.
and BTW Ava has just been updated.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on February 08, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (mamajo @ Feb 8 2004, 03:26 PM) | ||||
Use Avalaunch.
Use Avalaunch. and BTW Ava has just been updated. |
that was unnecessary
Post by: mamajo on February 08, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| that was unnecessary |
No it wasn't. He said he wanted to make his list smaller then he should use Ava instead of XBFTP (his least fav app).
Post by: yourwishismine on February 08, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (mamajo @ Feb 8 2004, 05:33 PM) | ||
No it wasn't. He said he wanted to make his list smaller then he should use Ava instead of XBFTP (his least fav app). |
I really love a lot of the features that Avalaunch brings to the table... but I can't stand running a dash that doesn't support preview videos, MXM spoiled me there..
I still love MXM... but as of the direction that it's going... I not sure that it's what I'd want to use in a dashboard...
I probably shoudn't say this... but I will anyway.. I think releases of dashboards should be more frequent and instead of including craps-of-new-features... they should be small frequent releases that are bug fixes.. untill the known bugs are swatted.. then the next release could incorporated 2 or 3 new features... and the process would then start over of eliminate the bugs with small frequent releases until finished.. then incorporate 2 or 3 more new features... that's just how I would like to see it done.. instead of having to wait months for the next release....
Post by: Morglum on February 09, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (yourwishismine @ Feb 9 2004, 12:09 AM) |
| I probably shoudn't say this... but I will anyway.. I think releases of dashboards should be more frequent and instead of including craps-of-new-features... they should be small frequent releases that are bug fixes.. untill the known bugs are swatted.. then the next release could incorporated 2 or 3 new features... and the process would then start over of eliminate the bugs with small frequent releases until finished.. then incorporate 2 or 3 more new features... that's just how I would like to see it done.. instead of having to wait months for the next release.... |
I couldnt agree with you more there!
Post by: chilin_dude on February 09, 2004, 09:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (yourwishismine @ Feb 9 2004, 12:09 AM) |
| I still love MXM... but as of the direction that it's going... I not sure that it's what I'd want to use in a dashboard... |
WTF? what direction do you mean by that?
Post by: chilin_dude on February 09, 2004, 11:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (yourwishismine @ Feb 9 2004, 09:08 PM) | ||||
Well.. your swearing at me .. make me not want to even answer you... but anyway... the direction that Ben Jeremy is seeming to want to focus on is the ActionScripting and Skinning capabilities of the dashboard... these are fine.. but I would much rather see them pushed back till things that *I* consider more important... It's not that there is anything wrong with the focus that Ben Jeremy is taking with MXM.. I love ActionScripting since it is very similar to BASIC and I'm a whip when it comes to BASIC programming.. and I'm fairly good at C++ as well... anyway... I much more prefere things like a sweet file browser, like UnleashX has... Anyway.. I know Ben Jeremy is working on implemeting a sweet UI and I file browser, but until I use these features and see how the 'compare' (I'm not really comparing, just noting how well the work *for me*). For people that want to do actionscripting and are great skinners and like to (and have time) to make awesome skins.. then perhaps MXM the dashboard for them. Right now.. I stick to UnleashX... but I've never abandonded MXM.. I'm just not using it until the next public release is out.... I'm hoping for a great release from Ben Jeremy... however... I'm not wanting to rush him... at the same time... I'm excited and looking forward to it.. and it makes it hard to wait... so there's your 'WTF'... please refrain from cursing at me in the future.. for I will be more likely to just ignore you then... |
Ok to start with WTF means What the fuck, this wasn't being used as an insult as a curse, simply as a why. I would have thought you would have known that seeing how many times you flame.
Also it's your perogative to use unleash x and prefer the file browser etc to action scripts and skinning.
Personally i prefer the scripting and skinning capabilities coming up and there is also going to be a file explorer implemented.
This is in no way a insult to unleashx as i know that this is a well regarded dashboard and it's people's choice to use it, so it must be good.
Post by: sirsmooth on February 09, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
I really dont like 'yourwishismines' attitude. I know you bring allot to the Xbox scene but it feels to me like you are trying to OWN the scene.
I know most things you say are what YOU think and you talk from your POV, but I dont know why you have to post them here. Youre always putting
Someone/something down.
If it was constructive critisism I would understand but its not.
If a new dash comes out with a few good features you would be straight on their forum and picking little holes in UX, the old dashboard.
Sorry I had to say this but I keep biting my tongue when I see your posts, but not this time.
To me you are a bad apple to the Xbox scene.
This forum had a lot less bad vibes till you started posting.
Post by: crobar on February 09, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| but I would much rather see them pushed back till things that *I* consider more important... |
ok so this dash is all about the features you deam worthy of going in????
you like wma better so everyone should use wma... you think your ways are so much better that anyone elses.
this post was made for a feature request not for you to slam someones ideas and tell people your way is better!
i will curse at you cause youre a self centered prick. from what ive seen in both mxm and unleash forums 90% of the users want mp3 support who the fuck are you to slam their request??!!
i dont know but the last time i checked these programers were out making dashboards for the user base not just 'yourwishismine'
you program? make your own dash so you can tell people whats up.
Post by: hydraulix on February 09, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
take it EASY,....god id hate to see you guys at it in real life,...
actually id probably pay $$ to see that. anyhow, its only a discussion about features. a TEXT based discussion, nothing more. if things like this really heat you up in the real world, consider unplugging for a while.
Stick to the topic and keep the feature suggestions rolling, you guys have really come up with some nice feature suggestions. Leave the bitching and flaming at home.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on February 09, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: chilin_dude on February 09, 2004, 10:03:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Well.. I do know what WTF means.. and no matter how *YOU* look at it.. you are still swearing at me... and since you wanna accuss me of flaming ... go ahead and point them out... In the mean time.. I'll be busy ignoring you.. thanks.. |
It may be swearing but it is not cursing *{_}at you{_}*
I wasn't saying you flame too much, just that your attidude seems like it needs a bit of cheering up everynow and then, i agree totally with what crobar and sirsmooth said.
Post by: th3gh05t on February 09, 2004, 10:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (sirsmooth @ Feb 9 2004, 09:47 PM) |
| This is pissing me off. I really dont like 'yourwishismines' attitude. I know you bring allot to the Xbox scene but it feels to me like you are trying to OWN the scene. I know most things you say are what YOU think and you talk from your POV, but I dont know why you have to post them here. Youre always putting Someone/something down. If it was constructive critisism I would understand but its not. If a new dash comes out with a few good features you would be straight on their forum and picking little holes in UX, the old dashboard. Sorry I had to say this but I keep biting my tongue when I see your posts, but not this time. To me you are a bad apple to the Xbox scene. This forum had a lot less bad vibes till you started posting. |
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Post by: Master-Chief on February 10, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Master-Chief on February 10, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: endo on February 11, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
Post by: OmenX on February 11, 2004, 12:42:00 PM
I dont know much about programming and dont know if this could done in the XBox, but i would like to see a disk defragmenter. Im always moving stuff about on the HD, so it must be due for a defrag at some point.
Cheers,
OmenX
Post by: crobar on February 12, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
Post by: endo on February 13, 2004, 03:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (soundwookie @ Feb 12 2004, 05:08 PM) |
| If you want to defrag your drive, you could simply copy everything on a particular partition to your pc, reformat that partition, then copy it back. Doing so would ensure that the data gets rewritten contiguously. |
This is a common misconception. The spinning speed of the HDD remains constant, while the speed of the data stream coming from a network transfer would be 1. inconsistant 2. not capable of saturating the bandwidth of the harddrive to begin with.
Try it on two PC's where the results can be validated. Setup one with a clean install of Windows, and defrag it. The do a huge ftp transfer, analyze with the defrag tool and see what you end up with.
Post by: yourwishismine on February 13, 2004, 06:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (endo @ Feb 13 2004, 07:29 AM) |
| This is a common misconception. The spinning speed of the HDD remains constant, while the speed of the data stream coming from a network transfer would be 1. inconsistant 2. not capable of saturating the bandwidth of the harddrive to begin with. Try it on two PC's where the results can be validated. Setup one with a clean install of Windows, and defrag it. The do a huge ftp transfer, analyze with the defrag tool and see what you end up with. |
Um.. sorry.. that's not exactly correct...
1) the spinning speed of the hard drive does not remain constant
2) the operating system (or more exactly, the file system that the operating system is installed on) controlls how the data is written to the hard drive [and not the hard drive]
Post by: endo on February 17, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| the spinning speed of the hard drive does not remain constant |
Thanks for clearing that one up.
You should really refrain from posting if you don't know what you are talking about. Misinformation breeds on itself. I refer you to http://www.pctechguide.com/04disks.htm.
Here's a quote for ya:
"The performance of a hard disk is very important to the overall speed of the system - a slow hard disk having the potential to hinder a fast processor like no other system component - and the effective speed of a hard disk is determined by a number of factors.
Chief among them is the rotational speed of the platters. Disk RPM is a critical component of hard drive performance because it directly impacts the latency and the disk transfer rate. The faster the disk spins, the more data passes under the magnetic heads that read the data; the slower the RPM, the higher the mechanical latencies. Hard drives only spin at one constant speed, and for some time most fast EIDE hard disks span at 5,400rpm, while a fast SCSI drive was capable of 7,200rpm. In 1997 Seagate pushed spin speed to a staggering 10,033rpm with the launch of its UltraSCSI Cheetah drive and, in mid 1998, was also the first manufacturer to release an EIDE hard disk with a spin rate of 7,200rpm."
Post by: yourwishismine on February 17, 2004, 06:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (endo @ Feb 17 2004, 10:35 AM) | ||
Thanks for clearing that one up. You should really refrain from posting if you don't know what you are talking about. Misinformation breeds on itself. I refer you to http://www.pctechguide.com/04disks.htm. Here's a quote for ya: "The performance of a hard disk is very important to the overall speed of the system - a slow hard disk having the potential to hinder a fast processor like no other system component - and the effective speed of a hard disk is determined by a number of factors. Chief among them is the rotational speed of the platters. Disk RPM is a critical component of hard drive performance because it directly impacts the latency and the disk transfer rate. The faster the disk spins, the more data passes under the magnetic heads that read the data; the slower the RPM, the higher the mechanical latencies. Hard drives only spin at one constant speed, and for some time most fast EIDE hard disks span at 5,400rpm, while a fast SCSI drive was capable of 7,200rpm. In 1997 Seagate pushed spin speed to a staggering 10,033rpm with the launch of its UltraSCSI Cheetah drive and, in mid 1998, was also the first manufacturer to release an EIDE hard disk with a spin rate of 7,200rpm." |
Ok... you have proved here that you take everything that you read to be true...
when you have worked in the industry for as long as I have, come back when you know what you are talking about.
If you take all you information from a book or newspaper or webclippings.. you will shurely get several different points of views of other people.
I bring to the board.. information and knowledge from working in the industry for several years...
I am not wrong on this.. believe what you want to... I know that the informatino that I gave was 100% correct...
Post by: endo on February 17, 2004, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: soundwookie on February 17, 2004, 11:39:00 AM
I have not performed your little test, perhaps I will sometime. Have you ever done this? Regardless, you are taking the essential nature of a very complex device, and applying it literally. Before you read that article, did you really think that data from a network (or any other source) was written directly and arbitrarily to a platter? Ever heard of a buffer?
In addition, you had to use google to find out information on hard drives? You've never had a class on it? I prefer to reference "textbooks" over "articles" anyday. I agree that yourwish's rebuttal was weak at best, but I must say that the core of your response to my post was on par.
I don't know for certain that it does or doesn't work. I haven't tried it. I really don't find the issue to be that big of a deal. When data get written to a platter, it's not written like a record anyways. So, even when the data is "defragmented", it's still striped across platters anyways. In theory, it should work. Data is not written arbitrarly to a platter, but even when copying straight from a dvd to a hd, there's still no guarentee that the data will end up completely contiguously. The pretty little maps you see on defrag programs all have thresholds, and there's certain acceptable levels of fragmentation.
The point of this is not to argue about who is right. The point is to discuss fragmentation on an xbox hard drive, and if it is necessary to defragment. One reason why I really don't think it's a big deal is because the hard drive can stream data out of it's IDE port way faster than a DVD drive can anyways. So much so that it really doesn't matter if it's fragmented, since it can stream the data faster from it's multiple faster platters than the DVD drive's substrate.
Peace out.
Post by: endo on February 17, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: crobar on February 18, 2004, 06:31:00 PM
im gonna unlock my hard drive hook it up to my pc and defrag it...
lets see what happens...if i loose my data ill throw it in the microwave and watch the sparks fly
Post by: soundwookie on February 19, 2004, 03:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (crobar @ Feb 19 2004, 04:31 AM) |
| ok...ok you twisted my arm... im gonna unlock my hard drive hook it up to my pc and defrag it... lets see what happens...if i loose my data ill throw it in the microwave and watch the sparks fly |
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