Post by: spyvie on April 15, 2004, 07:26:00 PM
However if in fact you are retarded, I apologize if that seemed harsh.
Post by: oswald on April 16, 2004, 04:37:00 AM
I too did not post here until I was already up and running, I read alot, and did most things as manually as you can. I read and read and read, but more importantly, I learned.
That said, I use slayers all the time. Does that make me retarded? NO, it's convenient, and I don't even use evox as a dashboard. If you're setting up an xbox, especially someone elses, its faster and easier to just pop in the slayers disc... so why wouldn't you?
Post by: spyvie on April 16, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
It seems to me that most of the people having trouble after using slayer's have little or no idea how or what the evox.ini file is or does. If you're going to take on the task of modding your xbox it seems to me you should invest a little time to understand what your doing. Especially when the information is clearly presented in so many step by step tuts all of which are available from the scene.
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| I read and read and read, but more importantly, I learned. |
Exactly.
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| So basically... If a person wants a computer and he/she buy one from Dell, he/she is either A. Lazy or B. Retarded |
Only if they spend all their time on the customer support line trying to learn how to use it instead of reading the manuals that come with it.
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| If you are not familiar with something you are about to do you might be afraid that something breaks. If the person who is afraid of this and decides to buy an assemled computer, it doesn't make him/her lazy or retarded now does it. |
If your that scared you should have someone else do it for you just as you would have someone else build your computer.
Post by: maxsee on April 19, 2004, 02:01:00 AM
Is all up to you when, how and why you want to use Slayers Boot Disk
Honestly, If you want to start the begining of how to mod your xbox.
You need to start the basic.. that is learn how to set it manually.
Meaning how you flash the bios, FTP EvoxDash, putting all the Xbox Applications ,Tools and Toys manually.
Then you realize you have done great!
But all this would not happen unless you able to read with the correct information flow and really understand how it works.
For example.. if you do not know how to edit Evox ini.
How the hell are you going to undestand the power of Evox.
Anyway, whatever are your reasons. As long you did not screwed up by using Slayers then I guess is perfectly ok to say... I DID NOT MESSED UP MAN!!
Post by: se7enty7 on April 20, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
I installed slayers, then changed the evox.ini to suit my needs (like taking launch program from hdd out of system management, ) and deleted/removed progs I don't need.
Firefuckers imo has way too many things I won't ever use (like 20 different emu's....)
Post by: thefilepirater on April 20, 2004, 12:48:00 PM
1.) its old and has older outdated shit (this is were n00bs come in and they thing something is wrong, but a newer vers of software X ususally fixes the problem)
2.) it has the worst wording of options
EX. 5-9) Format F using G on Large Retail Vers. 1-3 NO #9
Post by: dschill on April 20, 2004, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: phunqe on April 21, 2004, 04:03:00 AM
a computer to some people is like a.. I don't know... a space shuttle for you (assuming you aren't a rocket engineer).
Now, if you wanted to buy a space shuttle would you
A. Get a rocket engineer, buy the parts and let him built it in his garage.
B. Go to company X with all ISO certifications that exists and that has a proven and extremely secure production line.
It's the same thing. To them (computer "illiterates") it's just like a space craft. Yes, even with the "my life depends on it" clause.
Not true? Work at a computer support center and you'll know what I'm talking about
Post by: piscian18 on April 22, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
" only one of my 10 computers hooked up can get online"
" ok cool i need to you go over to your router "
" what's a router ?"
"sigh.....ok (fuckit) i need you to go over to your modem"
" i can't see it "
" you can't see it?"
" yeah its dark in here the power went out"
sorry for this call center comedy interuption we now return you to your regularly scheduled forum
Post by: djhush on April 26, 2004, 07:14:00 AM
Now I just use it to format and partition my Xbox and FTP in and install Evox. After that I FTP in and install everything else myself.
I can see how it would help those who aren't as picky and just want to keep things as simple as possible
Post by: dougyt on April 26, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
Cos that's what it's like in these forums. 300 posts will be made all detailing the same thing, with 300 small variations but enough to confuse you to hell and back again.
And while you're at it, throw in the "that part can be got from 'the usual sources' "
but only actually refer to those sources whereabouts once in an obscure post buried 8 pages deep.
And now slayers and their ilk make life so much easier, no hunting around anymore, it's all accessible, simple and quick.
And yes I did mod 3 xboxes "manually" by reading these forums, then tsopped my own and used x-disk when I upgraded to a larger hdd as it was so much easier than rewriting my own evox.ini on a dvd to format and install the stuff I wanted.
Post by: morgant6911 on April 26, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
The reason why Windows is so popular is because people want something simple that is easy to use. I don't think any Linux distro will ever become as popular as Windows because it gives the end user TOO much power.
The point of all this rambling...?
I prefer to use Slayer's because I am a lazy bastard.
Post by: LepPpeR on April 27, 2004, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: thefilepirater on April 30, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: wireless g on May 02, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on May 02, 2004, 10:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (phunqe @ Apr 16 2004, 11:40 AM) |
| So basically... If a person wants a computer and he/she buy one from Dell, he/she is either A. Lazy or B. Retarded |
Yes, that is correct
Post by: Martinchris23 on May 06, 2004, 05:03:00 AM
a. Someone who constantly tinkers with their Xbox, updating software, customizing menus, reflashing BIOSes, etc etc.
or
b. Someone who just wants to get their Xbox up and running so they can get on and do with it what they wanted to in the first place - play games.
I use Slayers CD - does that make me retarded or Lazy? Well, lets see:
I want to make an Evox Boot CD.
I also want to add some menus to it, so I can perform different functions such as formatting a HDD, restoring a good copy of MS Dashboard, running some useful programs such as ConfigMagic etc. With this CD I'm gonna make, I can use it on a modded Xbox and use these functions, regardless of what's on that persons HDD.
If I did all of the above whilst knowing that I could just download an Install CD ready-made, *THEN* you can call me retarded. You would have to be to go through that lot when you know there's a quicker way of doing it.
As for reading guides, the Evox guides on this site alone are (mostly) outdated. Telling ppl to rename xboxdash.xbe - the backlash is that they come back here after their Xbox doesn't boot with the chip disabled and have no idea why!
Martin
PS I would advise ANYONE to buy a Dell over building your own PC - you get technical support with Dell, instead of 200+ people giving you bad advice. Before you ask, yes I'm quite capable of building my own PC and ran a very successful business doing so.
Post by: spyvie on May 12, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
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| What a condescending post. Yes, if you do it manually, you will learn everything up front. But installing apps on an xbox is really freaking easy. If you do run into a problem down the road, you can learn how to configure them manually with very little effort. |
That's right, it is really easy and it can be done with very little effort. So why shouldn't someone put forth that little bit of effort to understand what they are doing?
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| Using Slayers doesn't make me lazy or retarted. I work in IT, and when we install a new box, we don't sit in front of it and punch keys. We use install scripts or images. That doesn't make us lazy, either. It makes us effecient. |
Am I wrong in assuming that you have some knowledge of how the scripts or images work? One look at these forums can show how effecient people are when trying to blindly mod their machines.
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| This isn't rocket science. Don't think that you're somehow technically savvy just becuase you copied a bunch of files into a directory and edited some .ini file. Because it is indeed so easy to install apps on an xbox, I would argue that NOT using an auto-installer simply makes things tedious. I'd rather be playing a game, watching a movie, or *gasp* heading outside. |
Talk about condescending. I'm not pretending to be mr. fuckin wizard, nor am I trying to start a technical aptitude pissing contest. My whole point here is that this shit is simple if you take a little time to educate yourself.
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| A noob who uses slayers, then posts a simple problem, isn't lazy because he used slayers. He's lazy because he posted before he read up on whatever problem he's having. They're 2 seperate issues. |
I'll admit the title could have been worded differently, however if they are seperate issues they are certainly closely related.
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| Nothing like good ol' fashion learning. When using a disc that does everything for you, you fail to learn the general concepts and if something breaks you are back at square 1. I suggest reading a learning as it will make it a lot easier for you. |
EXACTLY!
As I said before, I don't have a problem with using slayers provided you have at least a basic understanding of what the hell it does. However, I do not agree that it provides a significant advantage over simply adding what apps you want, at least then you can have current files. Sure you have to go to all the trouble of making an image, I know how tedious this can be having to wait a minute or two.
Oh but wait! maybe the disc will burn faster without all that extra bullshit... just think of the time that could save you! 
Post by: spyvie on May 12, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
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| And while you're at it, throw in the "that part can be got from 'the usual sources' " but only actually refer to those sources whereabouts once in an obscure post buried 8 pages deep. And now slayers and their ilk make life so much easier, no hunting around anymore, it's all accessible, simple and quick. |
If you can find slayers, you should have no trouble finding the "usual places" and when you find that, there's no hunting around, it's all right there. And the whereabouts are not buried 8 pages deep. I never even heard of mirc before I came to the scene, hell I never even used FTP before but I found all the information I needed right here and all I had to do is read a little. Granted it could have been easier if others would take some initiative and do some research instead of flooding the forums with repeatitive dumbass questions.
Oh well, thats enough ranting.
Post by: Bohefus on May 14, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (spyvie @ Apr 16 2004, 04:26 AM) |
| Just wondering why so many people seem to have so much trouble with this. I don't think I had a single post in these forums until well after my box was up and running with a chip, evox and a new hdd all without slayers or anything like that. The amazing thing about it is all you have to do is read a little bit (and all of the necessary info is readily available)before you jump right in a fuck shit up or flood the scene with dumbass questions simply because you're LAZY. However if in fact you are retarded, I apologize if that seemed harsh. |
I had some problems when I first started modding my box and after alot of reading and a F'd up Motherboard and executer chip later I was on my way to chipping and installing software(manually) on 3 different types of Boxes.
In alot of cases it's not a matter of being lazy or not having solder skills, etc. It's because of so many different ways to install the chip and the software and the multitudes of tutorials that sometimes conflict each other. Once you know exactly how to install a chip, find the software and properly burn it to a suitable media, It's very easy to modify an xbox.
Post by: drozek on May 30, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
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Post by: silentkiller on May 30, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (LepPpeR @ Apr 27 2004, 03:01 PM) |
| Nothing like good ol' fashion learning. When using a disc that does everything for you, you fail to learn the general concepts and if something breaks you are back at square 1. I suggest reading a learning as it will make it a lot easier for you. |
^ Definitely. I have friends who have used Slayers and I try to talk to them about modding. They have no idea about anything beyond booting the Slayers disc and choosing something on the menu. When their xbox breaks, I have to fix it because I actually know how the xbox works.
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