Post by: OR-G on October 06, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
I wonder if they'll force you to buy the remote to watch DVDs
Post by: Trisman on October 07, 2004, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: fofusion.co.uk on October 08, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
I really doubt they will have that for the controllers.
Would be nice saving me having to do the controllers again.
Barry
Post by: Trisman on October 08, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: halofreak007 on October 09, 2004, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: limtk55 on October 09, 2004, 08:54:00 PM
Provided the algorithms don't change.
Post by: thehittmann on October 10, 2004, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: flashfreak on October 12, 2004, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: Trisman on October 12, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (flashfreak @ Oct 12 2004, 11:23 PM) |
| unless they change the usb to send different data signals or suttin, so they original xbox controllers won't be recognised. if they are changing the controller so much like i heard, you wouldn't be able to use an old one neway! |
The new controllers don't seem that much different. It just sounds like the Black and White buttons are being mapped to two additional trigger buttons instead of being where they are now.
It's all M$'s decision. Considering that the current controllers require propietary drivers, it wouldn't be a huge leap of faith to suppose that M$ would change them enough that the old controllers wouldn't work. But, they might get nice, lazy, or possibly some combination of the two.
Post by: Xbox-Modder-1986 on October 17, 2004, 01:33:00 AM
Post by: Trisman on October 17, 2004, 08:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (Xbox-Modder-1986 @ Oct 17 2004, 08:33 AM) |
| Really MS is a money pig that will try to get as much money out of anything that they can. So I think that they will have seperate controlers. |
Maybe they'll support both, but only when emulating the original xbox. That way you can use the orginal controller.
Post by: Altima NEO on October 17, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: Roj X. Mugwump on October 17, 2004, 10:34:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| firewire controllers would be funny |
firewire would kick arse...
so long as there are 4 triggers (a'la ps2 style) I really dont care what the
controller looks/feels like...
just put the black and white buttons somewhere useful.../
roj
Post by: pingrr on October 18, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: orkatist on October 18, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (pingrr @ Oct 18 2004, 11:52 AM) |
| I hope they use the same controllers. Buying another pair of logitec wirelss controllers gets expensive. |
True, but when you're already paying 300+ for the Xbox, a measley 40-60 bucks isn't that bad. Don't complain if you have to buy controllers if you are paying for the system itself.
Post by: pingrr on October 18, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: jacksparrow on October 18, 2004, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: wowko on October 18, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Juancster on October 24, 2004, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: Skyone on October 26, 2004, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: chris_kalan on October 29, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
And no one has really complaned.
And when you think about it, each controller has been something new or special:
Original - nothing new, because there was nothing to change!
SNES - Shoulder buttons, YX buttons
N64 - 3 prong design, C buttons, Z, 2 pads
GCN - funky L R buttons, odd Z placement, rotatable C buttons
Post by: chris_kalan on November 03, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: tonloc79 on November 03, 2004, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: chris_kalan on November 04, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: tonloc79 on November 04, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I think that is what tonloc79 was getting at. |
Exactly my man!!
That would be great but if they change the controller design at all then theres really no point to the old controllers unless they find a smart way to where both controllers are fully functional!
Post by: chris_kalan on November 04, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: supernewbie on November 05, 2004, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: chris_kalan on November 05, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: OR-G on November 08, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
MS has certainly gone the way of trying to "suck money out of you". Its pretty clear what their intentions are for the most part. As long as they can get money and cover their ass from the law then they'll probably go ahead with doing that.
Even though I don't like how MS tries to get every penny from users, it's still a good way of doing business.
Post by: enderandrew on November 08, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
Either way M$ said you can plug the stuff into a Windows PC. They may mean that you need an adaptor, but I doubt it. I'm guessing that the new controllers will be pure USB 2.0
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 18, 2004, 12:39:00 AM
Do you guys not understand what USB 2.0 is or something? It's not a new connector for one thing.
USB 1.1 theoretically transfers data at 11 megabits per second. USB 2.0 is nothing more than a speed up to Firewire-like speeds of 480mbps.
USB is backwards and forwards compatible. You can plug a USB 1.1 device in to a USB 2.0 port, and it will work fine. Same with the other way around, although it will be limited to USB 1.1 speeds.
The Xbox 1 controller transfers 20 bytes per refresh. This is 160 bits, so in theory, the Xbox controller could refresh over 70,000 times per second without maxing out the USB 1.1 data capabilities.
The only reason there would ever be USB 2.0 to the controllers is if MS decides to keep the memory cards in the controllers and wants to give us faster access to them. Even then, the Xenon would still be fully capable of recognizing Xbox controllers, at least in hardware.
Whether MS will support the Xbox controller plug or support old controllers in software is another matter entirely.
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 18, 2004, 12:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (chris_kalan @ Oct 29 2004, 10:26 PM) |
| Nintendo has managed to change their controllers with each system. <snip> Original - nothing new, because there was nothing to change! SNES - Shoulder buttons, YX buttons N64 - 3 prong design, C buttons, Z, 2 pads GCN - funky L R buttons, odd Z placement, rotatable C buttons |
Ya know, interesting factoid here...
The NES and SNES used the same communication protocol. Just a different connector.
I don't know much about the GCN's controllers, but I'd assume that it is similar, though obviously clocked up to handle the extra bytes from the new analog stick and any analog buttons.
Post by: enderandrew on November 18, 2004, 12:44:00 AM
However, I think it will use a standard USB connection because they said you can plug XBox peripherals directly into a Windows PC.