Post by: mckenn88 on September 21, 2004, 02:55:00 PM
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Post by: tennis_teen on September 21, 2004, 09:32:00 PM
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| To me personally it doesn't matter because I already have an Xbox. But to the consumer I think that it is a big selling point if they make the Xbox2 Backwords compatible. Just look at all the people that baught the Ps2 on the basis of it being backword compatible. I think MS would be losing money if they don't do it... |
i agree completely
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| I dont really care, but i would prefer better graphics, over backwards compatibility. I mean who wants to play PS1 games on a ps2?. and if you still wanna play ur xbox games, then thats why you have an xbox. |
i agree completely
:huh: hmmmmm.........
Post by: FallsInc on September 22, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
Post by: Lightsier on September 22, 2004, 01:50:00 AM
Post by: Scan-C on September 22, 2004, 03:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lightsier @ Sep 22 2004, 08:50 AM) |
| Well, if Xbox2 had backwards compatibility, that would be MS saying "Hey, here's the keys to hacking Xbox2." |
why should it? there's a possibility of a bug that allows execution of unsigned code but that could happen with every other software too. it isn't as ms would have to put the xbox parts in the xenon.
another thing is ms has virtual pc... this could easily be addepted to function as an xbox emulator in the xenon.
and to the guy who asked who would play ps1 games on a ps2. i do. i love those rpg's and i don't feel like buying a 3rd ps1 because my other 2 crapped out.
Post by: Intensecure on September 22, 2004, 03:22:00 AM
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| and to the guy who asked who would play ps1 games on a ps2. i do. i love those rpg's and i don't feel like buying a 3rd ps1 because my other 2 crapped out. |
My brother has a PS2. He bought a whole load of really cheap original games which were PS1 and PS2 which gave him a great games collection that he is satisfied with. He doesn't have many bucks to chuck around.
If a PS3 came out that could utilise his existing collection there is no doubt that he would choose it over the Xbox2. If Xbox2 was backwards compatible, he might be tempted to buy the MS box and start collecting cheap older Xbox games. He has many friends in the same position. Backwards compatibility sold them PS2s.
I love my Xbox, but as a media computer and secondly as a games machine. If it was hackable as a media centre I would buy one irrespective of backwards compatibility. If it wasn't - no way, I would just buy a new PC
Post by: flashfreak on September 22, 2004, 06:01:00 AM
Post by: TheWraith357 on September 22, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: t_skraggs on September 22, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
Personally, I'd love to see backward compatibility solely for the sake of not having 2 consoles under the TV.
Post by: Trisman on September 22, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: flashfreak on September 23, 2004, 05:56:00 AM
Post by: t_skraggs on September 23, 2004, 07:34:00 AM
Shoot, even playing the game Civilization would teach you more about history than you apparently already have. Oops, that is before your time as well. Sorry.
Post by: Master YodaX on September 23, 2004, 07:40:00 AM
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Post by: Trisman on September 23, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (t_skraggs Sep 23 2004 @ 03:27 PM) | ||
I think you are forgetting that they are who brought us the computer industry in the first place. It's ok, though. I'm sure DOS outdates 90% of the people on this board. I'd like to argue a case with Windows as well, but I cannot remember if Windows came out before MacOS. I'm guessing it did, because I don't think the "Mac" was even around at that time. I believe the IBM/MS competitor was still Apple at the time of Windows launch. I just can't remember, and I'd rather state that I can't remember than come up with some bull**** argument as you did. I have also believed that it was mainly MS that helped launch the internet. Again, I doubt the majority of the people on this board even remember the original internet. Even when "we" were connecting to the "internet" we weren't really sure how it was different from BBSs, and there were only a handful of sites available. The way MS started was by INNOVATION. You argue that the MS you know now doesn't innovate. That's fine. You're obviously young and don't know how MS became a giant in the first place. But, did Sony innovate? Did Nintendo innovate? Did either of those companies innovate at the start? Did Sony simply take someone else's tube TV and say "let's make a better product?" That's the Sony I remember. I don't remember them coming up with innovative products -- but I do remember that they were the BEST at one time. |
Fifrst off, if you read your history, the original DOS was created by IBM for their 8086 processor in 1980. Depending on where/when you saw it this was known as QDOS, 86-DOS, SCP-DOS, or just simply DOS. This was then bought by Bill Gates and Paul Allen for around $50,000, and licensed to IBM as PC-DOS 1.0. Also with this deal, MS became the only supplier of operating systems and compilers for FORTRAN, BASIC, 86-Asembly, as well as a couple others I cant currently remember, for Intel microcomputers. I will give you that Gates invented both the File Allocation Table, and BASIC, but this is when Gates was with Paul Allen working out of the garage on their Altair, and doesn't represent the current state of state of affairs. Two men working out of a garage is quite diffrent than one of the top ten multi-national corporations.
Also, for your unbased claims concerning my age and how that pertains to computers, my first computer had a Z-80 and ran CP/M for an operating system. For those who don't know, CP/M was the predessor to DOS.
| QUOTE (t_skraggs Sep 23 2004 @ 03:37 PM) |
... and I wasn't even going to talk about your comparison to the Roman Empire. You'd better take a history class, my friend. Better yet, since you appear to be a part of the newer "everything handed to me" generation, just watch TV. Watch the Biography Channel, A&E, and the History Channel. The Romans were very inventive as a society. I believe it was the Romans that invented the aqueduct, a highly innovative method that required very advanced engineering skills. Not only did the Romans use the ARCH to sturdy their buildings and elevated aqueducts, they even used tunnels to bring water into just about every city in the Empire so that every city had fresh water. Shoot, even playing the game Civilization would teach you more about history than you apparently already have. Oops, that is before your time as well. Sorry. |
I have taken a Roman history class, as well as two years of Latin. And since apparently more explanation is required here you go. Case in point, in the first Punic war, the Romans couldn't defeat the armadas of Carthage, the Carthaginian ships were better. The Romans were lost until a lone Carthaginian ship was washed ashore by a storm. Thus the Romans took this ship, and made hundreds of exact copies of it. They then overwhelmed the Carthaginians with the sheer numbers of boats. Also, the Romans had a toal of perhaps forty names to choose from.
By the way, the arch was invented by the Etruscans, the Romans simply "borrowed" it once they invaded them. And yes, while the created aquaducts, it was simply this converstaion:
Roman Senator 1: "How do solve this problem of getting water to people?"
Roman Senator 2: "I know, lets build a bigger version of something we already have. Yes we have walls, lets build a wall about 10km long to connect the resivour to our city, using technology we assimalted from the Etrusacans."
Roman Senator 1: "You mean the arch?"
Roman Senator 2: "Yes, exactly."
So, long story short, Romans were the masters of using others' technology to its best as is MS.
Post by: fofusion.co.uk on September 23, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
Power / Hard Drive (as long as its better than the ps3)
But on top of that the ability to hack it.
Post by: M-K-E! on September 23, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
if companies made there systems backward compatible, instead of having 10 systems hooked up to my tv...i would only have 3...(well maybe about 5 or 6 because i would have more room to bring out some others)
Post by: Trisman on September 23, 2004, 08:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (t_skraggs Sep 24 2004 @ 01:44 AM) | ||
And the current state of affairs hasn't put Bill Gates in the driver's seat for almost a decade now, yet people still use that name synonymously with MS. Hmm. You did as well. It's MS, not Bill Gates. |
Thats exactly what I said, Bill Gates working in his garage doesn't represent the current state of affairs. He hasn't been working on any R&D effort directly in quite a while. The only thing that MS has done innovativly for quite a while was SMB and putting an hard drive in a consumer game console. MS essentially hasn't done much creativly since the late 70's. Even their NT core, bloated as it is, isnt even theirs, it is simply a modified version of OS/2.
Post by: t_skraggs on September 25, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
"sales"
"since"
"future" (I assume this is just a typo, but it's tough to tell)
"their" (they're means they are and does not note possession)
You misspell so many words that I thought correcting the misspellings might help you in life. I suggest using www.dictionary.com or looking up the phone number of the nearest elementary school in your blue pages and enrolling. Suggestion: even if you can't spell your own name correctly, at least know what year it is. I can't count the number of applications I have thrown away because the applicant didn't even know what year it was -- seriously!
Post by: Jeffler on October 04, 2004, 07:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (t_skraggs @ Sep 23 2004, 03:27 PM) |
| I think you are forgetting that they are who brought us the computer industry in the first place. It's ok, though. I'm sure DOS outdates 90% of the people on this board. I'd like to argue a case with Windows as well, but I cannot remember if Windows came out before MacOS. I'm guessing it did, because I don't think the "Mac" was even around at that time. I believe the IBM/MS competitor was still Apple at the time of Windows launch. I just can't remember, and I'd rather state that I can't remember than come up with some bull**** argument as you did. I have also believed that it was mainly MS that helped launch the internet. Again, I doubt the majority of the people on this board even remember the original internet. Even when "we" were connecting to the "internet" we weren't really sure how it was different from BBSs, and there were only a handful of sites available. The way MS started was by INNOVATION. You argue that the MS you know now doesn't innovate. That's fine. You're obviously young and don't know how MS became a giant in the first place. But, did Sony innovate? Did Nintendo innovate? Did either of those companies innovate at the start? Did Sony simply take someone else's tube TV and say "let's make a better product?" That's the Sony I remember. I don't remember them coming up with innovative products -- but I do remember that they were the BEST at one time. |
Actually, MS Bought QDOS and renamed it MS-DOS. Windows became public after the Macintosh. Oh, and MS didn't join into the internet for a while, and only came in to have a browser monopoly.
Post by: MagicTorch on October 06, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
The casual consumer (who I reckon account for most of sales of the console units) doesn't give a monkey's about graphics. As MS are clearly intent on improving their market share, they would do well to find a way to ensure backwards-compatibility.
Post by: pingrr on October 08, 2004, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: Modiller on October 08, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
now for M$ sake and marketing they should have it backwards compadible its just one of those "nifty features" that people like to have. Sorta like arguing why the x3's better then a aladdin because of the "nifty features" lol