Post by: garyopa on May 21, 2013, 12:40:00 PM
ZERO, 100% 360 SUPPORT GONE.
You new XBOX ONE, is 100% new, it will NEVER play 360 games.
There was no 360, forgot it even existed.
This is an all new system...
WIRED has just posted a nice teardown, will get the screenshots up soon.
From the looks of it, there is MORE RAM then they are saying.
4 chips on one side, and 6 chips on the other side of the combo GPU/CPU die.
One super-size cooler.
Official M$ Video:
Post by: Aldanga on May 21, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Love these nerds going crazy on the tech.
Post by: garyopa on May 21, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ May 21 2013, 03:12 PM) 
Saved games take up very little space? At least when they're store locally you can access them if you take the console somewhere without internet access.
Seems weird if they force cloud saves?
#1 - The HDD is there for the GAME DISCS themselves, ALL GAMES install 100% from Blu-Ray to HDD, as you play the disc, the whole game at some point soon afterwards is on the HDD, you can store the disc away afterwards so it does not get damaged.
#2 - The gamedisc locks onto your ACCOUNT during initial install.
#3 - Reason for FORCED Cloud Saves, is Point #1 and #2, the GAMEDISC is locked to your ACCOUNT, so you go to a friends house, and insert the disc, log into your LIVE account, and bang you can access your SAVES, DLC, and play disc.
#4 - Sell the DISC to a friend, or LOAN the disc you already used to a friend, he/she has to pay a FEE to unlock it to install it to his box to his account.
#5 - I guess #4 is the same as #5, if you have more then one member of family using the same ALL-IN-ONE box, they all have to pay a surcharge on top of the gamedisc cost to each access it, as it only plays when you login to your account.
Post by: garyopa on May 21, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Kirtaner @ May 21 2013, 06:17 PM)
Was it really necessary to use "M$"? Is this the year 2001?
It still the richest company, infact Bill Gates just made it back to being #1 rich boy, pushing Mr. Carlos back down.
On how the LOCK works, Phill Harrison (ex-Sony man) had this to say:
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Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as youd like," Harrison said.
Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.
But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a feeand not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that gamein order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.
"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."
"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.
"Lets assume its a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.
But that doesn't mean used games are dead. In fact, Harrison told us, you'll be able to sell your Xbox One games online.
"We will have a solutionwere not talking about it todayfor you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," Harrison said.
On the Fact you have to CLOUD connected, see it not 'always-online' or 'net required, it is CLOUD so its ok:
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"There are many devices in your life that require the Internet to function," he said. "Xbox One is no different in that it requires, at some point in the beginning and at various times through its on state, to connect to our cloud and to our Internet. That is to deliver Xbox Live functionality, that is to deliver download content to you, that is to deliver some of the innovations around TV and entertainment that we showed today. But it doesnt require it to be online all the time."
So how often does it check your connection? "Depends on the experience," Harrison said.
"For single-player games that dont require connectivity to Xbox Live, you should be able to play those without interruption should your Internet connection go down. Blu-ray movies and other downloaded entertainment should be accessible when your Internet connection may be interrupted. But the device is fundamentally designed to be expanded and extended by the Internet as many devices are today."
And here's the bombshell:
Kotaku: If Im playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe its 24 hours.
Kotaku: Id have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct.
So the system is built to work even if your Internet connection goes down, but you still have to be connected at least once a day to use it, Harrison said.
Post by: Aldanga on May 21, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
As for connecting once per 24 hours: that's a serious issue and will be a deal breaker for many. I'm not a fan of it, but I cannot remember the last time I played without my console connected to the Internet. Even at LAN parties, we've always had Internet available to all of the consoles.
Post by: garyopa on May 21, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
It looks like some games will need the CLOUD to do 'calcs' even pull in stream 'graphics' freeing up the weak CPU (remember no speed yet, and its combo chip), to enhance your 'gameplay'...
Other uses of the CLOUD is fake virtual players, in case you have no LIVE friends to matchmaker with in your FPS games.
And so on, and so on. -- Think of it as SIMCITY, XBOX ONE style. -- You can thank EA being exclusive partner for this!!!
Post by: havok577 on May 21, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: scottmuller28 on May 21, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
Post by: dragon45801 on May 21, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: garyopa on May 21, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ May 21 2013, 09:36 PM)
Also the xbox one design looks shit house deliberately done so you will buy the sleeker slim version 3 years from now. Good work m$.
You can see the SLIM XBOX ONE already...
Just look at that case picture at the top news post, the way it is shaded, shiny on one half, then plain on the other half, and the same with the face plate, its switchs right down the middle.
XBOX SLIM ONE will be the LEFT HALF removed, the blu-ray, as once everyone has caught onto the CLOUD POWER, the whole game install on HDD, and disc is locked anyway, in a few years, and all mad gamers are gone, and everyone is happy with their DRM BOX, why the fuck will you need the big slow costly blu-ray drive to the LEFT, just grab/purchase the whole game via the CLOUD, its not like disc was any good to you anyway!
Post by: krayzie on May 21, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: scottmuller28 on May 21, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: Mr_Milenko on May 21, 2013, 10:44:00 PM
QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ May 22 2013, 12:38 AM)
Yup m$ want direct downloadable content in the next 3 years making xbox cheaper and money going straight to developers. No more Gamestops Eb stores selling secondhand games or disk based games. Just a box and cable playing on the cloud.
Common misconception mate.. The developers make virtually nothing off sales as it is. The publisher is making money. But you're correct in the console manufacturer and the publish wanting to cut down on used purchases.
Post by: wilgo45 on May 21, 2013, 11:14:00 PM
QUOTE(IROC89CAMARO @ May 21 2013, 06:42 PM)
This is all a joke right? it's turned into a pc so what the hells the point of owning the damn thing? MS can go **** them selfs.
Yep - MS is really trying to bend us over with this new generation. I hope this blows up in their face.
A game console should just be a game console. Not a device that can't be independent from the MS servers. Internet connection should be based on the the customer's choice.
MS will alienate so many potential customers.
Innovative ideas ??? .... no - just a handful of bad ones ?
Post by: jaysiff on May 21, 2013, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: CC Rider on May 22, 2013, 02:04:00 AM
Where's the love for your friends in the USA?
Thanks for the whine & bias. It fits your Euro-centricity perfectly.
Post by: themashedavenger on May 22, 2013, 03:09:00 AM
QUOTE(CC Rider @ May 22 2013, 07:04 PM)
Where's the love for your friends in the USA?
it would appear that ms has ur love, but they've region locked it.
theres plenty of reality to go round though
i'm glad i'm not the only one that's very dissapointed
Post by: relaxxx on May 22, 2013, 05:29:00 AM
I think they were going to call it "Xbox One Original, There Were No Others, You Were Only Dreaming"...
but they shortened it to just "Xbox ONE".
I'll just call it "I'll never buy ONE".
Post by: cyrilic on May 22, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: sabbath_dude on May 22, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
The new system is way too restrictive in terms of DRM. The pre-owned paywall thing and zero backwards compatibility is the main deal breaker for me. Having to rely on the cloud and Microsoft's servers for many features is another reason I won't be picking one up. I also think they're making a big mistake focusing on TV/media over the games. The one advantage and selling point Microsoft have right now is their 360 library and focus on gaming. They're about to piss all that away!
I think I'm now done with console gaming. None of what Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo have to offer interests me anymore. Building a dedicated gaming PC is really looking very appealing to me now. Otherwise I'll just be sticking with my 360 and retro systems
. Only if this new system gets hacked and we're able to remove the horrible restrictions will I bite!
Post by: ca102455 on May 22, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
I think im just gonna go back to PC gaming.
Post by: scottmuller28 on May 22, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on May 22, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
PS4's 8GB DDR5 looks to edge out Xbox 1's 8GB DDR3. But specs should be close enough that multi platform games should looks about the same.
Post by: sabbath_dude on May 23, 2013, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(ekruob @ May 23 2013, 05:01 AM)
I bet the new drives allow firmware verification (direct access to the drive's BIOS chip by the console; i.e. before the drive itself is even powered up) - sure you could still get around it, but that will require a hardware solution not simply a firmware flash (they could also factory-weld the drive cases shut to stop most people opening them up).
Maybe this new system will eventually be hacked in the same way as the original. The hard drive is internal, non-upgradable and comes as standard in all systems so maybe we'll see some sort of software exploit?
I think the main issue will probably be getting the console to work 100% offline. In any case I'll bet the system is locked down like nothing we've seen before
.Post by: Aldanga on May 23, 2013, 09:55:00 AM
If I was to make a guess, the Xbox One will be like the PS3 in terms of its hackability: it's going to take a very long time to find an exploit.
Post by: spoone on May 23, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
and microsoft will sell it everywhere they can. so if they are that strict like everybody is complaining about, they would cut off some markets to sell XBOX ONE at all. i do not think that they will do that. they always were and always will be in for the money.
Post by: Reaper527 on May 23, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(sabbath_dude @ May 23 2013, 09:54 AM)
The optical drive probably isn't going to be all that important or much of a security risk this time since games never run directly from disc. From what they've said it will only be used once to install software and that's it. On top of that, the constant/frequent online verifications and checks will no doubt make any kind of optical drive exploit a no go.
Maybe this new system will eventually be hacked in the same way as the original. The hard drive is internal, non-upgradable and comes as standard in all systems so maybe we'll see some sort of software exploit?
I think the main issue will probably be getting the console to work 100% offline. In any case I'll bet the system is locked down like nothing we've seen before
.and if the system does eventually get hacked, the way things are looking now, banning a console seems like it would be akin to bricking it (unless a hack is able to override the must connect to live to do anything nature of the system).
Post by: garyopa on May 23, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
QUOTE(spoone @ May 23 2013, 12:05 PM)
i don't think this always-online-crap is forced upon us. i'm saying this because there are areas and countries in this world where it's not normal to have an internet connection, or even a broadband connection.
and microsoft will sell it everywhere they can. so if they are that strict like everybody is complaining about, they would cut off some markets to sell XBOX ONE at all. i do not think that they will do that. they always were and always will be in for the money.
Alot of people on many forums I been saying, no, it can't be, Microsoft would never do this, what about all those other countries, they want sales, they don't want to be focused to USA and limit their market and cut off those with HDMI only TV's and non-Internet and block used games, it can't be, it is all a lie, stop the presses, print the truth.
Well here is it, the truth, the worldwide sales of 360:
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Canada - 870,000 as of August 1, 2008
United States - 25.4 million as of March 31, 2011
EMEA region (Europe, Middle East and Africa) - 13.7 million as of March 31, 2011 (Includes UK sales)
United Kingdom - 8 million as of February 14, 2013
Japan - 1.5 million as of June 17, 2011
Australia & New Zealand - 1 million as of April 19, 2010
Worldwide 77.2 million as of March 31, 2013
In the end, Canada, forgot it, we even stop recording the sales, it is so slow, so whom cares, even Nintendo released more Wii-mini instead of Wii-U to this cold North country most don't even know where is is on the Globe.
Japan, will the 360 failed, it lucky to sell 300 units in one week now after 8 years and tons of cool games, so forgot about XB1 there, we don't need them.
Aussie, the land-down-under formerly a JAIL, what? where? whom? -- and we also stop recording sales due to LOW demand.
Ok, EU there is market, will it is so low, we have to include UK 8 million to bring up the figures to make it look good.
So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).
That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!
Post by: defhead on May 23, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ May 24 2013, 09:29 AM)
Alot of people on many forums I been saying, no, it can't be, Microsoft would never do this, what about all those other countries, they want sales, they don't want to be focused to USA and limit their market and cut off those with HDMI only TV's and non-Internet and block used games, it can't be, it is all a lie, stop the presses, print the truth.
Well here is it, the truth, the worldwide sales of 360:
In the end, Canada, forgot it, we even stop recording the sales, it is so slow, so whom cares, even Nintendo released more Wii-mini instead of Wii-U to this cold North country most don't even know where is is on the Globe.
Japan, will the 360 failed, it lucky to sell 300 units in one week now after 8 years and tons of cool games, so forgot about XB1 there, we don't need them.
Aussie, the land-down-under formerly a JAIL, what? where? whom? -- and we also stop recording sales due to LOW demand.
Ok, EU there is market, will it is so low, we have to include UK 8 million to bring up the figures to make it look good.
So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).
That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!
HAHAH great write up.
Post by: xmod4u on May 23, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
First, the Canadian thing. Well, I honestly don't think Microsoft would deliberately ignore us based on numbers. Besides, 800k units more, is 800k units more! Sales are sales, they add up. Besides the point, thinking that Canada will be left out of the services offered is ignorant.
The look of the system : Well, yeah, it looks like shit! There, i said it. But you know what, in the end it does not really matter. I think reliability is going to be more scrutinized this time around, let's see if I can get at least 5 years of functionality out of it.
The connection : We all bitch about it, yet, deep down inside we all know the industry is heading towards that either we like or not. Im ok with the system requiring to "connect" when needed, we all have internet. People that don't have internet, couldn't care less about a game console. My only concern about that subject, and I know it's going to be the case, is advertising... we are going to be bombarded with commercial bullshit.
The "activation" : Now, thats where I have an issue with. And yes, its the big debate... Im old school and like a physical product. Now your going to say that I just agreed with the future of "digital era", and I do, but prefer the option then the inevitable. The problem lies with the idea of "needing", or relying should I say, on a company to access a product I purchased. If that said company decides to stop the service for whatever reason, I am left without a product, and that is a problem. And knowing Microsoft and what they did to the first Xbox, im not too confident in investing towards that possibility.
Also, it's all nice trying to kill the "used" market, some agree as they hate on EB/GS and other used game shops all the time, but what about resell value... You the consumer will loose in this concept as well, you buy a 60$ game and finish it in 5hrs, well tough luck buddy, thats the end of that story!
In the end, we can say what we want, we can bitch all day, they are going to do what they want and most people will buy anyways. It's a consumer world and they know how to make you need it.
Post by: wilgo45 on May 23, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ May 22 2013, 05:13 PM)
I think this design was for the North Korean market and showed us the wrong One. Anyway I don't use the Kinect at all and sold mine within 2 weeks. I have no interest in commanding via gestures or voice as I just want to do little as possible and start playing games. M$ seem to focus to much on the unimportant aspects of design and win8 is a great example of this. People don't really give a shit how it turns on or how to move through menu system, we just want to have a good gaming experience.
Amen .... brother
Post by: wilgo45 on May 23, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
QUOTE(xmod4u @ May 23 2013, 11:57 PM)
In the end, we can say what we want, we can bitch all day, they are going to do what they want and most people will buy anyways. It's a consumer world and they know how to make you need it.
Some people like to get fish hooked with the latest and greatest. They don't care the sacrifices or restrictions. They just want. Its a status marker to them.
Other consumers want a better product with none of the crap. Those people don't want to be dictated ridiculous terms.
Enough people go into it with Eyes Wide Open ... MS profit margin might significantly suffer. Forcing them to change the parameters.
If One (one pile of crap) turns out to be as bad as we are expecting; Consumers should stand in refusal of that product.
Things have been boycotted before
Post by: spoone on May 24, 2013, 03:37:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ May 23 2013, 11:29 PM)
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So whats left, the 25 million in USA and the 8 million in UK (reason why UK has alot of TV partners and INDIE store).
That is the market for XB1, sorry to say, everyone else can kiss my ass. -- So long and thanks for your M$ bucks, but we don't care, both USA and UK has strong broadband support, happy customers and DRM loving fans, so we support them first!
well, garyopa, i stand corrected.
although i still hope that M$ won't be that stupid.
by the way, does anyone know or have a clue how this tv integration works? is it tv via internet or is it tv to xbox one and vice versa via hdmi?
cheers,
spoone
Post by: Aldanga on May 24, 2013, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: dom0012 on May 24, 2013, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: GoTeamScotch on May 27, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
Always connected: there are so so many people without an internet connection that enjoy video games. Why would you cut out a huge part of potential buyers for what... cloud computing? It has decent specs with its connectivity and components which leads me to think, why not do the computing in the console itself? My mind thinks of latency times, download/upload speeds, ISP customers with bandwidth limits...I mean, cloud gaming just doesn't seem like a good idea at first glance. Can anyone shed light on what will actually be processed in the cloud? Have they released any info yet?
Kinect required: What about people with small houses/apartments (LIKE MYSELF) or noisy atmospheres or who simply prefer not to talk to a device? My friend Brad who's been in a wheelchair all his life loves playing X360 online and it's what he does a lot of the day for fun. Will the Xbox One exclude him from playing video games because he cannot move his arms around properly? What if your family is noisy, what if its night time and you don't want to talk to the thing? What about lan-parties, will the separate iR signals interfere with each other? These questions lead me to think the Kinect will be how it is currently; some games require it, some do not. To me, the Kinect has always been a cool trick to compete with the family friendly Wii and serve a bigger audience, never applicable to hard-core gamers.
No backwards compatibility: It's sad, but not surprising. I'm not sure if it's a hardware limitation thing or if it's just to make more money, probably a little of both, but the PS3 phased it out over the course of a few years in favor of making money off of the old titles via its own online store and MS is following suit.
Post by: garyopa on June 05, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
YouTube Video!