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Shopping Forums => Modchip Installers / Firmware Flashers => Topic started by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
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The mods and admins of Xbox-Scene expect that anyone posting in Buy & Sell have read and understood the following rules. Buy & Sell is a mature place where business transactions take place. Failure to abide by the rules will result in your posts being moved to garbage, your account being muted, or possibly you being banned. It is worth your time to read these rules if you value your account.
These rules are universal and apply to every person and business posting in Buy & Sell.
------------Posting Guidelines------------
General Tips on making posts in Buy & Sell.
Buy and Sell is a place of business. If you expect someone to deal with you, use professional courtesy. Avoid using Internet shorthand (abbrviations like "u", leet speak, AOL talk like "soz", anything that makes you look twelve years old when you post it). Before posting, click 'preview post' and read your post over.
Thread Crapping
Thread crapping is anything unrelated to the topic at hand. Some examples:- Making fun of other peoples offers.
- One-emoticon posts
- Excessive swearing and pointless insults
- Extremely low-ball, unrealistic offers.
- Anything along the lines of "That price is too high!"
- ANYTHING off-topic.
Moderators have the final say in what is thread crapping and what isn't. Don't get angry if your post gets deleted, just read the rules topic again. DO NOT THREAD CRAP!! IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN AN ITEM, DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD!!
Price comparisons
You are not allowed to compare (price, quality or anything else) of someone's items in their thread. Example, if someone is selling a hard drive, and you say, "Well, it's $20 cheaper at http://www.website.com". It is their thread - they can sell their item at whatever price they want, and they are free to adjust their prices without your support. Price comparisons are considered thread craps and you can have your account muted for it.
Referral URLs
We do NOT allow any kind of REFERRAL URLS (note: these are different than references, which are allowed). Referral URLs usually have a refcode in the URL, and people make fractions of pennies or gain some sort of point everytime it is clicked. People get banned a lot for these, so be careful. PM me (brahm2) before you post it if youre not sure. YES THESE INCLUDE FREE I-POD/FLATSCREEN/SIMILAR OFFERS.
Multiple Accounts
Do not attempt to make multiple accounts to make yourself look good. We are watching. (note: multiple account syndrome is bannable)
------------Starting & Maintaining Your Thread------------
The ONE THREAD PER WEEK RULE
We allow 1 thread per STORE or INDIVIDUAL per week only. Post all of your items for Buy, Sell or Trade in the same thread! Extra threads will be closed or merged, and your account may be muted, depending on the amount of extra threads. When you are ready to start a new thread, PM the moderators of THIS FORUM to have your old thread closed (include URL!), or, click the "report this post" button on your post and include a request for closure in the textbox. DO NOT start a new thread with "mods close my old threads" in the title. It is an annoyance and a hassle for us to find all your old threads. You should only ever have one thread active at one time
Bumping
You get one bump per day PERIOD. Excess bumps will get a warning, followed by a trip to the garbage bin if it continues.
What You CANNOT Include In A Thread- EvoX, SlaYers, MS DASH, or anything with Microsoft code on it cannot be sold on a standalone CD-R/DVD-R etc. Besides, they are free in the "usual places", so anyone paying for them is getting ripped off.
- Dev Discs, Hardware Refresh Discs - Don't try and sell these. Or request them. Just don't. A Dev Disc is a term for any official MS disc that should NOT be for resale.. like the disc that formats the hard drive to a stock state (aka "refresh disc")
- $75.00 EBAY XBOXES / $19.95 PYRAMID SCEME XBOXES (or PS2s or GAMECUBES or DIGICAMs or WHATEVER). Do NOT post links to items that are too good to be true - THEY USUALLY ARE NOT. Try ordering one yourself before you make other people lose their money as well. (actually, don't even try it yourself). Odds are these threads will be closed soon after being opened. If YOU are the one selling these pyramid scheme items, you will be banned
- PAYPAL RAFFLES/DRAWS/SCAMS/WHATEVER, Don't try to make a post saying "Okay, everyone PayPal me $1, then the 300th person will win an Xbox!" Anything along those lines will be closed and you will probably (by that I mean, most definatley) be banned . This kind of falls in with the whole Pyramid Scheme idea.
- Items That Are Not Yours. Do not post a thread for an eBay auction, website, or shop that is not yours. Don't post topics like "HAY GUYS I FOUND THIS SITE R THEY LEGIT??!!?" and expect people to buy from them before you do. Check the Webshop Ratings to see if other people have bought from them. If not, try searching www.google.com. Remember, if it's too good to be true, it usually is. You shouldn't sell items for your 'friend' either.. let your friend join and he can sell his own items.
- HARD DRIVE GOODIES - Don't vaguely describe "goodies" on your hard drive that you might be selling.. it could be interpreted as COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL (ie games) and would be sent to garbage. Obviously, advertising that you are selling a HDD with games pre-loaded is a no-no. ROMs count as taboo pre-loaded games.
- Satellite products (even if 'legal')
- Pornography or adult materials or sex toys, etc. Keep it clean, keep it enjoyable.
- Collecting Donations for Xbox-Scene - This was a new issue that had recently come up. Don't start to collect money for us. If Xbox-Scene needs donations (which we don't, because of our advertising revenue), we would set up our own PayPal thingy. Don't feel obligated to start one for us. bannable.
- Other Donation Threads - You should not be starting donation threads at all in BST. If, for some reason, you feel you have a just cause, contact a mod first.
- Illegal Backups - See below for details.
- CLONED MODCHIPS - You are not allowed to BUY, SELL, ot TRADE CLONDED/FAKE XBOX CHIPS on this site. XS does not condone or endorse the use or purache of FAKE / CLONE modchips for XBOX. All to date have been defective.. and most people who have sold them misrepresent themselves, the product, and the quality of the product.
- Gmail invites - We're not doing these, for whatever reason. Give them away somewhere else.
- "Free Stuff from MS" - I have no idea what this is, but I'm fairly sure that falsifying information to get a free copy of Windows XP from a major corporation violates something or another, so these threads won't be tolerated.
- FREE I-Pods OMG SO FREE. ANY ONE OF THESE BULLSHIT FREE STUFF OFFERS IS CONSIDERED BANNABLE SPAM IF YOU POST IT.
No Polls Whatsoever
Polls are extremely annoying and should not be posted in buy and sell. If you post a poll, the poll will usually be removed by a moderator and the thread will stay. Sometimes the thread will be closed outright.
No Separate Feedback Threads Whatsoever
This isn't a professional service. People wanting more, should consider opening a WebSite to sell their products. An example of a feedback thread would be like "Post your references for brahm2 in this thread!". Similarly, threads like "has anyone dealt with brahm2 before?" should not be posted.
Don't make threads here unless YOU are buying, selling, or trading items
They will be closed, it's as simple as that.
The ONLY Legal Way To Sell Backups- Games on removable media (cd-r, cd-rw, dvd-r, dvd-rw, dvd+r, dvd+rw, dvd-dual layer, dvd-ram, (and other recordable media formats) MAY NOT BE SOLD. AT ALL. Sale of loaded external or portable HD's loaded are also considered off limits and not allowed.
- For pre-mods, games can be pre-loaded on the hard drive ONLY if the originals are present, with their cases and manuals. This should be stated.
- People selling a backup burned copy of a game.. and selling it with a game.. EG.. Retail HALO with a DVD-R copy of it bundled together is NOT ALLOWED. We do not allow game copy site to promote themselves on XS.. and we don't allow people to sell copies even if included with a retail copy.
People will be banned without warning for a violation of these rules.
Note: I can't believe some people couldn't tell the difference.. but MOVIE BACKUPS/DVD COPIES count as ILLEGAL BACKUPS, unless, as stated above, they are sold with the original DVD, box, and inserts. ROMs also count as illegal backups.
WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE PM FOR DETAILS!!
It should be noted that the mods/admins are not complete idiots. If you think you have some clever word trick to get around the backup selling rule, think again. If you cant take the 20 seconds to list the contents of your selling package, dont bother posting in BST. HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE = BAN BAN.
What can I include in a pre-mod and on the hard drive?
Homebrew Dashboards (evox, mxm, ava etc), Xbox based disk and flash utils (xflash, dvd2xbox etc) , homebrew games, Xbox based ftp apps, file navigation apps, etc. Its okay to sell a pre-mod with a flashed BIOS. NOTE! This policy is subject to change on a whim!
eBay Auctions
You are allowed to make posts for *your* eBay auctions as long as they follow the other rules in this thread.
Tips on starting a good buy & Sell topic. (not rules.. but good advice)- Post Country Currency.. ex. EUR, USD, CAD, etc. (Useful currency converter)
- Include your location
- Include an accurate and concise description of the item(s)
- Photos are always nice to have.
- Method of payment (PayPal, money order, etc)
- Include a few business references (members on Xbox-Scene, BST Secure, Heat, etc)
- Spell & grammar check and preview your post before you submit.
- Don't post in ALL CAPS, don't use excessive bold/italics/colors tags.
- Keep Internet Shorthand to a minimun, and give a good description of the item(s)
------------Dealing With Others------------
How Not To Get Scammed
The best way to ensure that you don't lose your hard earned money is a trade is to do some background research.
- Ask the person you are dealing for for forum references, and PM some of the people he may of dealt with.
- Ask for eBay feedback, and refs from BST-Secure or Heatware.
- Read the person's old posts. Click their username where they post, then when it brings up their profile, click "view all posts by this member.'
- Search for their name in the Buy & Sell section and see what comes up.
- DO NOT post a thread like "Has anyone ever dealt with xxxxxxxxxx". It will be closed immediatley.
Remember, Xbox-Scene is not responsible for the trading that goes on here. You trade at your OWN RISK, and it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that you are trading with a trustworthy person.
EEPROM warning
If you send your Xbox to someone to have it modded, you run the risk of having your EEPROM taken from you without you knowing.
To the EEPROM buyers: ensure that you are buying your EEPROM from a reliable seller, one who does not "steal" EEPROMS, and make sure that the Xbox that it was taken from will never log onto Xbox Live.
To the EEPROM sellers: be considerate of your pre-mod customers, and let them know what you plan on doing with their EEPROM.
The mods are sick of EEPROM complaints. If you haven't already.. upgrade your BIOS to the new X2 bios' with ANTI-LIVE feature. It'll prevent you from accidently getting your EEPROM banned from live. As this becomes the defacto standard.. expect EEPROM sales to eventually disappear from XS.
Read Before Sending your Xbox away to be modded
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=167626
GOT RIPPED OFF/SCAMMED?
X-S is not going to mediate transaction disputes. Someone gets ripped off.. too bad. We have no idea who ripped who off. Xbox-Scene does not claim responsibility for what goes on in Buy, Sell & Trade nor will we police it. Do NOT post threads like "******** is a scammer / I got ripped by *******" as they will be closed or moved to trash right away.
------------Violating The Rules------------
Don't do it if you value your account.
What to do if you see others do it
Click the "Report This Post" button and enter a short message. It sends out an e-mail to all mods, along with a description of the problem. This is easiest for most people (members & mods alike). This is the fastest way to make sure a moderator will see the post.
Short Summary of things that
WILL DEFINATLEY GET YOU BANNED:- Selling Illegal Backups
- Multiple Account Abuses
- Promoting or attracting people to Pyramid Schemes
- Promoting or attracting people to what may not be a "pyramid scheme" by definition but is in fact a "free stuff" scheme
- Collecting donations in Xbox-Scene's name.
- PayPal "raffles"
- Repeated multiple abuses of the BST board in any way.
- FREE I-POD or FREE PC or ANY FREE WHATEVER referral link offer. Some boards allow this, Xbox-Scene DOES NOT.
Note from brahm2 - I will get a lot of PMs just because I made this post. That's okay, and I will help you clean up your topic from thread crappers, answer questions about the rules, and close your threads when you are ready to have them closed. I will NOT help you with scammers, mediate transaction disputes, or resolve webshop issues with you - nor will the other Xbox-Scene mods. You trade at your own risk.
PLEASE send me a PM if you need clarification on anything, before posting a thread!
[revised from the other BST topis dec 18/04]
This post has been edited by brahm2: Dec 19 2004, 01:26 AM
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Please see THIS THREAD: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=316900
and also THIS THREAD: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=315812
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No Buying Selling or Trading in MS Warranty Stickers At All
It appears that some members think it is a good idea to trade or buy and sell Warranty Stickers for the 360. The sole reason for this sort of trade is very obvious to all and it is certainly not for legitimate purposes. As such there will be no trading, buying or selling of warranty stickers via XS.
Expect your thread removed and a restriction on your account if you offer or ask for warranty Stickers