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Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on February 19, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
i have created my hdd with xboxhdm 1.9. should be ok there. have done it in the past twice.

i plug in the 1.5 tb sata hdd with a sata ide converter (see below) that was recommend and should work (in theory). The hdd was listed as working on the hdd compatibility list.

when the converter is plugged into my computer the led on it is green when i plug it into my xbox with everything attached it is red.

the xbox gives error. there is no # of the error (i think its a v1.0 built in 12-1-01 serial ending # 02, mexico). light flashes long red short green _._._._._ ( _=red | .=green ). just says contact Microsoft etc...

now when i unplug the dvd drive the led is green but the xbox still gives same error. when i keep the dvd drive plugged in but just unplug the ide cable from the sata ide converter the light is green (so when only the power cable is plugged in)

also i should say the led light doesnt change when i unplug the hdd from the converter.

ive herd of bioses that can make the xbox work without the dvd drive. anyone think that will work or should i just try another sata ide converter? if so which one?

also how do i know if LBA48 is supported in my bios or my softmod (as per these orders http://forums.xbox-s...owtopic=648145)? i used Krayzie_SC-NTSC_Ndure_Installer_v1.1 and installed unleashedx with basic install.



sata to ide converter used: http://cgi.ebay.com/...e=STRK:MEWNX:IT

hdd used: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822152175
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: run088 on February 20, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
If xbox is version 1.0 this is common it never gives error #'s

I pmed you this but will include it here to incase it might help someone else later

The adapter looks the same. I have had a few bad come and can tell you this is a possibility. The merchant exchanges no hassle so you can contact them and they will send you another within the week to replace it if it is bad. I have bought 50 or so from them and they exchange with me no problem. free of charge

but isolate the possibilities first.


check your jumper settings on your dvd drive. Those adapters go heavy for primary settings. try cable select and slave settings on the dvd drive.

Some times an 80pin ide cable helps to. Sata is use to pushing data alot faster than ide so this could only help it.

try running with the lid off. sometimes the top messes with the power adapter.


bios. with 1.5 tb drive your going to have to run 5035 or ind bios. These are the only bios that read custom partition schemes. And 1.5tb requires custom partitions. If your xbox is a 1.2v or higher ind will be the choice because it is 256 in size. Only 1.0-1.1 or modchips can run 5035 because it is 512 in size. The xbox changed from a 1mg tsop size chip to a 256 size chip between 1.1 and 1.2


formatting. you have to use xbpartitioner1.1 this is because this is the only partitioning tool that makes 64k clusters.

xbpartitioner1.1 is buggy and will lock up the xbox if it sees a partition bigger than 1tb.

So you need xbpartitioner1.0 to format the partitions first or slayers. It caps at 32k so this is useless but you have to do it so you can read the partitions with xbpartitioner1.1

anyway use xbpartitioner 1.0 or slayers and split evenly in half so you have 2 partitions less than 1tb.

now load up xbpartitioner1.1 because if you were to use what you formatted with 1.0 or slayers you would have data corruption when you passed the 512g limit using 32k.

to conserve space and maximize cluster space adjust one partition to just under 512g and use 32k put the rest of the space on the other partition which should run around 900gigs or so and use 64k.

The larger the cluster space the more space that is wasted. Thats why I suggest not splitting it evenly but using 1 partition under the 512gig limit to conserve a little space.

If you decide not to split as I suggested then you need to still change the sizes of the partitions to some degree when you load up 1.1 this is so you can observe the change in size visually and know that it reformatted with the correct cluster size.

I have had data corruption occur before because I neglected to check this. Some times xbpartitioner will say it formats when it does not. And if this happens it keeps the old cluster sizes and data lose occurs when you pass the 512gig limit.

Changing the size and observing the size change is the only way to prevent this.

This has happened to other people besides me so be very aware of this so you can save yourself the headache.

I beta tested what will be released sooner or later that will be xbpartitioner1.2 where all these problems were fixed. Last BB told me he had been to lazy to upload it to xbin but he may have done it by now so if you see a version 1.2 it should fix these issues and you should be ok to just use it.

This should cover everything if you have any other problems or questions let me know I will try to help you out.

And dashes run faster or load faster if you boot them from c. This can be controlled easy with ind (cfg) or 5035 (ini)
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Heimdall on February 20, 2010, 04:05:00 AM
A minor additional point. It's worth doing a final check of cluster size after you've partitioned the disk, just to make sure you've done it properly. Fire up Evox as an application, edit the skin / config so you can see the free space on F and G, then FTP a 1 byte file to each partition. The drop in free space is the cluster size. If it isn't correct (32k for 256-512GB partitions, 64k for 512-1024GB partitions) then you need to reformat F and G.

To answer your other question, Krayzie 1.1 supports LBA48.

And, just for completeness, X3.3294 will also work with large drives with custom partition tables, as should Evox M8+, but unless you decide to buy an X3 chip stick with iND-BIOS.5003 or X2.5035 as run088 suggested, because they are far more configurable.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: run088 on February 20, 2010, 05:38:00 AM
If you use x2 5035

There are 2 versions of x2 5035 be sure to choose the right one or you will toast your xbox. There is a version exclusive to xbox version 1.6 and one exclusive for xbox versions 1.0-1.5.

Make sure not to forget this if you use X2 5035

If you use ind or m8 on a 1mg chip make sure you use a program that will flash it to all 4 banks most do this but some may not so it will not hurt to check the apps readme. I use flashbios in exov it has this ability. I use raincoat and it has this ability for sharp tsops v1.1 and winbond tsop chips v1.3-1.5

Also like to note m8 does not support extra ram so if you use this bios and are running 128mgs of ram the xbox will only recognize and notice 64mgs

Dont flash a x2 5035 bios to an xbox version 1.2-1.5 this will kill your xbox. This bios is only used on 512 to 1mg chips. If flashing to a 1mg chip also check the documentation just the same to make sure it copies to both banks or use the programs I suggested.

If you use X3 I cant help you I never had one to mess with. Maybe someone else can give advise about the X3 chip and its bios. I did walk a guy threw on an install on one and he got it to work with the custom 64k but I never seen it and he knew more about the chip and bios than I did I just walked him threw the rest of the process.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on February 21, 2010, 09:22:00 PM
well the xbox is softmodded. no chip as i explained to run088. here was his response (just moving this discussion out of pm form to this tread):

QUOTE
Soft mod will not work it maxes at 1tb. xboxhdm only supports 32k you need 64k to exceed 1tb

bios you can use x2 5035 or ind 5003. These bios support custom partitions.

you have to format with xbpartitioner 1.0 and 1.1 as I already described above.

Can you solder?

To tsop flash you need to solder 2 points. This allows the tsop chip to be flashed.

Then using flashbios in evox flash the new bios.

It is as easy as this.

Here is the points

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=233352


because you have a 1.0 xbox you can split the tsop into multiple banks and run different bios from the flip of a switch.(useful especially for linux) by doing this

http://img.photobuck...dotxbe/4way.jpg


dam i wish i new this before i bought a 1.5 tb hdd sad.gif is there anyway i can just use 1 tb of this drive with the softmod? or any other work around without a chip? i dont mind for now if its easier for me to just use 1 tb of the drive.

im not sure what exactly tsop is. can you elaborate on this a little? i get the basic picture i think. its the facotry bios chip for the xbox that when modded (the soder points) i can flash it? thats it?

i have soldered a lot in the past but that was 9-11 years ago.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: run088 on February 21, 2010, 09:53:00 PM
Just solder those points is all there is to it.


Flashbios is an app in certain flavors of evox

Install app then dl the bios from the usual places drop them in the bios folder of evox.

load up the app pick the bios and push the button.

All there is to it.

Unless your chip is a sharp. Then you need to work it a little different.


sharps are rare and exclusive to 1.1 I think so you are in the clear there.

A modchip works the same way as a tsop flash as far as flashing goes. Atleast so with a doux2 chip anyway.

any flash tool will do it. You just need to bridge the solder points from the pic.

the bios I suggested blow away the retail ones so dont sweat it. They have on board configuration files that allow you to configure almost anything. You can even run them in debug mode if you want. If you do the switch I linked to you can even have a vga setup. Just flip the switch.

Your on the right path don't get discouraged you will be better off in the end trust me.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on February 21, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
cool. is the solder hard? i just opened my xbox and dam are they small solder points! i might find someone with some more recent experience in soldering to help me.

i am planning on upgraded to 128 mb ram some time. so should i use the 5035? or the ind?

also i was reading in the 5035 notes and it just kept talking about vga and component cables. i only have the old yellow (video) red and white (audio) cables. will this still work? which bios is best for me? i wouldnt mind getting come component cables if thats the case. been meaning to anyways.

thanks again!
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: run088 on February 21, 2010, 10:15:00 PM
IND and 5035 and both availible in vga form they will be listed as such in there name


5035 has to versions. 1 for 1.0-1.5 and 1 for 1.6

make sure you get the one for 1.0-1.5


The .06 or .67 does not matter. You will use the config file for this purpose.

IND or 5035 both work on your 1.0 xbox both has the same options pretty much it is your choice really.

Some people prefer ind some prefer 5035 the options are the same to me.

You might not even need to solder you could get a conductive pen and connect the points. They are super close together. A drop of solder usually does it. It should not be hard to connect using a conductive pen

If you use ind drop the cfg file in the root of c

If you use 5035 drop the ini file in the root of e

You can open these files in a text editor and configure them how you want. Like where you want to point to dash. How you want it to startup. What speed you want to set the fans. etc

There are dozens of options you will see
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: run088 on February 22, 2010, 12:07:00 AM
Did you lock the hdd? Are you sure you built it right? That xbox being a 1.0 that gives no error codes means the problem could be anything. Even not being able to find the dash.

Will it boot from disk?

If it will it could be a dashboard problem.

Even though the partitions would be corruptable they would still be able to boot I would think. Unless xboxhdm has problems building the partitions where as xbpartitioner does not. Might try to build it with xboxhdm and not format f & g with it. Try to build it retail and softmod it again. If that works then format with xbpartitioner.

Your problem could be your install. You might try to build it again
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 04, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
ok i got it all soldered up.

is FrostyTheSnowman_Xman954_X2_5035_VGA_BIOS_v1.0_fixed.zip the one i want? it says its for vga conversions. will i still be able to use a regular av cable? or is there another 5035 i need?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 06, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
givin this one a bump. would like to go ahead with this.

again is FrostyTheSnowman_Xman954_X2_5035_VGA_BIOS_v1.0_fixed.zip the one i want? it says its for vga conversions. will i still be able to use a regular av cable? or is there another 5035 i need?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Heimdall on March 06, 2010, 03:26:00 PM
You can't use a VGA BIOS with a normal cable - you get a green tint on the screen. To use a VGA BIOS you need a VGA cable. If your monitor doesn't support sync on green then the cable has to have a sync separator.

If you have a composite cable or a component cable then you just need the standard X2.5035 BIOS.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 06, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
Thanks.
this is the only 5035 i found at the usual places. even a search on xbins website says its the only 5035 on there. sad.gif i keep looking around
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Heimdall on March 06, 2010, 05:33:00 PM
You wouldn't make a good detective - took less than 30 seconds to find.......

/XBOX/Console Based Applications/bios/Xecuter/Xecuter2/MULTI_VERSION/X2.5035.rar

 smile.gif
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 06, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
While X2 5035 is a great BIOS and all, your current softmod really does have the exact same level of HDD support. It mostly comes down to whether or not the mod supports XBP's custom partitions: If not, you're limited to 400gb drives (and you need to be careful setting up anything over 256gb), and if so, then the limit's 2tb.

Personally I TSOP flash every box I come across, but I've seen a softmodded rig running a 1.5tb SATA (... for about five minutes, then I flashed that one, too).

There's been some conjecture that different BIOSes alter the boot speed, which can theoretically tweak the chances of a given SATA drive/adapter combo working with a given console. But there's no guarantees.

What I'm trying to say is, while flashing is a good idea regardless, I suspect you're gonna have to get a different adapter.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 07, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE
And no this bios cannot be split in half to be 256k and flashed to TSOP
If you find a way to do it pls send an email to [email protected] - thanks


is there something i need to do here to tsop it? or is this just fixed with current softmods? (as this was written in 05 i think)
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 07, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
It's saying that if your TSOP can only hold 256kb worth of data, then you can't flash that BIOS to it (due to it being twice the size).

You have a 1.0 console, which has a TSOP with a 1mb capacity (as do 1.1 consoles - all the others have a 256kb one, with the exception of the 1.6's, which can't be flashed at all).

The size of your TSOP is not something a softmod can alter.  wink.gif

My favourite BIOS is indeed the 5035, though I hear IND is pretty good as well. Haven't personally used IND though.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 08, 2010, 12:37:00 AM
aww i get it. i miss read it. ill give this a shot then smile.gif wish me luck.

any other words of wisdom/warning/advise etc... b4 i attempt my first flash by my self?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 08, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
None that haven't already been covered in this thread.

The only really important thing is to make sure you don't try to flash the 1.6 version of the BIOS.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 14, 2010, 05:45:00 PM
Then the screen just goes black! sad.gif


the light is still green. i cant ftp to it. and this is with the original hard drive softmodded with Krayzie_SC-NTSC_Ndure_Installer_v1.1 and unleashx as the default dash.

i followed your steps run:

QUOTE(run088 @ Feb 21 2010, 10:53 PM) View Post

Just solder those points is all there is to it.

Flashbios is an app in certain flavors of evox

Install app then dl the bios from the usual places drop them in the bios folder of evox.

load up the app pick the bios and push the button.


i pretty sure im screwed here. what did i do wrong?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 14, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Ok so there might be hope yet. i plugged in my new hard drive (the 1.5 tb) one with my new sata/ide converter from DX (which works btw smile.gif )and it will load games and goes to the default ms dash without games in the dvd drive.

the new hdd went to the ms dash b4 i flashed the bios btw. so it isn't acting any different

im guessing this has to do with clock issue as waal had recently.

my question at this point is do i just reinstall the soft mod to the new hard drive using Krayzie_SC-NTSC_Ndure_Installer_v1.1 via game save exploit? if so which options would i choose.

such as do i use the basic or minimal install since the bios is different? would if matter if i install evox or unleashx?

or should i change the time in ms dash? i figure i could really get into trouble then if i did that.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 14, 2010, 08:40:00 PM
QUOTE(dballs442 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:03 AM) View Post
the new hdd went to the ms dash b4 i flashed the bios btw. so it isn't acting any different

Previously, you said it went to an error screen. At what point did that change?

QUOTE(dballs442 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:03 AM) View Post
im guessing this has to do with clock issue as waal had recently.

Nope, dunno about waal's situation, but the clock should only affect certain old softmods. More likely it's just having trouble finding a dash to boot, which can be fixed via "x2config.ini" (the one Run was talking about back here). If you leave it on that blank screen long enough (eg 20mins), it'll probably boot to an error code 13, I'd guess.

QUOTE(dballs442 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:03 AM) View Post
my question at this point is do i just reinstall the soft mod to the new hard drive using Krayzie_SC-NTSC_Ndure_Installer_v1.1 via game save exploit? if so which options would i choose.

No, you're hardmodded now - the gamesave exploit likely won't even boot, and even if it does, the softmod isn't much use to you. Just pointing "x2config.ini" at your desired dashboard (probably stored at something like "e:\dashboard\default.xbe") should do the job.

QUOTE(dballs442 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:03 AM) View Post
or should i change the time in ms dash? i figure i could really get into trouble then if i did that.

Certainly doesn't hurt to have the console know the right time. Some games (eg GTA) tend to crash if it's too far out of whack.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 14, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
QUOTE
Previously, you said it went to an error screen. At what point did that change?


it changed when i got the new sata/ide adapter. that works.

QUOTE
No, you're hardmodded now - the gamesave exploit likely won't even boot, and even if it does, the softmod isn't much use to you. Just pointing "x2config.ini" at your desired dashboard (probably stored at something like "e:\dashboard\default.xbe") should do the job.


how can i change this? if the xbox boots to ms dash then how can i ftp into it? without loading the game save exploit. do you think it will hurt if i try?

perhaps putting it through xboxhdm again would help?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: xboxmods2977 on March 14, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
The reason your xbox boots to a black screen is because your softmod was designed to exploit the retail kernel. Since you no longer have that on the tsop, your softmod is being "confused". This is also the reason a gamesave exploit will not help you.. They are designed to EXPLOIT the retail kernel which you no longer have.

What you need to do here is burn a dvd of the evolution X dash and then boot to that DVD on your xbox. This will give you FTP access.

NOTE: Be sure to setup your evox .ini file with correct network settings for your network setup before you burn the DVD so you actually have FTP access.

EDIT: Also, you no longer need xboxhdm. Your xbox it hard modded now. So, connect your new hd to your computer and use xplorer360 to wipe the c:/ drive and then just copy a retail set of C drive files to it, and then whatever dash you want to use.

DONE
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 14, 2010, 11:54:00 PM
so are you saying that if i get ftp access how you said i cant just change the files from there? i will have to use the exploer360 to remake the hard drive? or can i still use the files that are on there now? and just change the ini?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 15, 2010, 01:42:00 AM
ok got it. i have a dvd or evox running with the new 1.5 tb hdd and can ftp into the xbox. thanks!

but now what exactly? must i use explorer360 and my pc?

or can i just ftp the files over?

can i just create a new short cut for a dash and leave everything else the same? (remember this one was created using xboxhdm)

also where do i put the x2config.ini? c root?
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 15, 2010, 03:54:00 AM
The INI file goes on the root of the E partition.

Xplorer360 can be used to have your PC read/write to the drive, but it's probably easier for you to do so through FTP instead of opening up your console/computer again to switch drives...

You'd also need to deal with the drive lock again.

If you have a dashboard shortcut file in place, there's no need to mess with it - just point the "x2config.ini" file at the one you already have, stick it on the root of E, and reboot the console without a disc in the drive.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: xboxmods2977 on March 15, 2010, 06:14:00 AM
Now that I read my above post, I guess it was kinda confusing. (drank too much monster)

Yea forget about the xplorer360 bit. You don't need that if you have FTP access via boot disc.

-Apologies-   biggrin.gif

EDIT: IMO, iND bios should only be used if the TSOP is too small to hold X2 5035.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 15, 2010, 12:55:00 PM
ok thanks.

so heres what i did. i changed the x2config.ini to say this:

; 255 characters max here, format is <drive>:<path_to_xbe>.xbe, e.g. "f:dashes\avalaunch.xbe"
dash1Name = e:Apps/XBMC/default.xbe
dash2Name = c:evoxdash.xbe
dash3Name = c:unleashx.xbe
dash4Name = c:avalaunch.xbe
dash5Name = c:xboxdash.xbe

I put it in my root e folder and installed xbmc to e/Apps/XBMC.

but with no success. the xbox still loads to the ms dash.

im guessing from what you said before i need to get a hold of the original C files. full on stock C files and totally delete what c files i have now and transfer the stock C files? then all this should work?

what category would that be in? im checkin in the usual places but cant find stock c files. (if this is too much to ask or its against the rules then just ignore it sorry)
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Heimdall on March 15, 2010, 02:39:00 PM
You don't need the stock C files (it won't fix your problem), but you can get them from Slayers or CASH or AID.

Try changing the slashes in the dash name i.e.

dash1Name = e:Apps\XBMC\default.xbe

Also, try putting x2config.ini in C:\ as well as E:\
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 15, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
lol your a genius and im an idiot. yea it was just the slash marks were backwards. works great now! got it all working and formatted right. thanks all you guys for your help! big time.

last question though. after getting the ini in there there is a bit of a pause between when it says "xecuter2 config live loading..." (first screen) and the xbox stat up animation. is that supposed to happen? is there a way to get rid of the  "xecuter2 config live loading..."? i heard it should load faster now.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 15, 2010, 06:40:00 PM
It'll probably load slower, if anything, since it now has to read & interpret that INI file first.

But for what it's worth, I use these startup-related INI settings:

doStartupAnimation = 1
displayTmLogo = 0
fastAni = 1
noSound = 1
showMsEn = 0

Basically makes things a lot more presentable.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 15, 2010, 08:07:00 PM
cool thanks. ill mess around with it  cool.gif
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 25, 2010, 03:04:00 AM
wasnt sure where to post this so i guess ill post it in my exsisting tread

so i got it all to work. problem is every few reboots the f and g partitions seem to not exsist. as well as other problems.

a simple reboot fixes this but for instance i start it up and xbmc cant find my videos (on g partition). i try to ftp and the f and g just arnt there. i reboot and all is well.

sometimes i turn on the xbox and it boots to unleashx instead of xbmc. (again using x2 5035 with settings stated above). and sometimes it will boot to ms dash. skipping both xbmc and unleashx. and again i reboot the xbox and all is well. (boots to xbmc).

so whats so unstable? my bios? my settings? my hd? because it was soft modded to begin with?

again. its a v1.0 tsop with x2 5035, sata/ide converter 1.5 tb hdd built with xboxhdm (originally soft modded).
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: Bomb Bloke on March 25, 2010, 03:27:00 AM
Something is preventing the console from reading the HDD on occasion. Odds are in favour it's a problem with the SATA adapter (make sure it's not getting any pressure on it from eg the top of the console's case), though it's possible the HDD really is at fault.
Title: Problems With Sata Hdd
Post by: dballs442 on March 26, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
it was the pressure from the top of the case. i take it off and all is well.

i thought it was the top of the case bending the sata/ide adapter in so the solders were shorting out on the metal of the hdd itself. so i placed a cut up bussness card inbetween the two, but that didnt do it.

i wonder if it's the ide cable being bent too much? because of the way the adapter is the cable needed another awkward bend in it then smashed down by the case top.

or simply the adapter is being bent at where it attaches to the hard drive?

i got to go to work now but later ill see what i can do. any suggestions?

THANKS!