Post by: The Juggler on December 21, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
It was advertised as a 1080p TV. It's spec manual states that it's native resolution is 1080p.
Imagine my surprise when I got my PS3, connected it via HDMI, and can't receive a 1080p signal. After F'ing with it for awhile I finally contacted Sony tech support.
Turns out, it DISPLAYS in 1080p, but CANNOT RECEIVE a 1080p signal. What a CROC!
Buyers Beware.
There is a newer model out now (KDS-50A2000). Unfortunately, it has less features (no cable card or memory card slots), and in my opinion doesn't look nearly as nice. But one thing it does, is accept 1080p signal via HDMI.
I should write those f'ers at Sony a strongly worder letter.
Post by: mlmadmax on December 21, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
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Post by: apocknight on December 21, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
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Post by: The Juggler on December 22, 2006, 02:08:00 AM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Dec 22 2006, 06:25 AM) 
Is there a way on sxrd tvs that it will tell you what resolution it is displaying at? I have a 30 hd crt and the only way i can tell it is recieveing a hd signal is that you can't zoom on the picture.
I agree, I love the picture on this TV. I'm gonna see about swapping it out at Best Buy for the newer model. I really wanted a TV that displays AND accepts 1080p signals.
This TV displays the resolution in the upper left when the channel display is shown.
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samething almost happened to me! I was about to order a tv (not sony) a few months back when 1080P first come out but just before I ordered it I checked to see if it could take 1080p and it could not. only reason I even thought to check was because I know there was nothing on the market at the time that could output 1080P so I checked to see if they where cutting corners and not taking 1080P in every first gen 1080p tv would not take 1080P in. now I am waiting for second gen LED DLP before i will even think about getting a new tv.
Yeah, I guess there's no where in the spec that states it only DISPLAYS 1080p. You just kind of assume that a 1080p TV accepts a 1080p signal. I won't make that mistake again. I mean, how can you even really call it 1080p if all it does is upconvert a 1080i signal. That's just weak.
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 22, 2006, 04:52:00 AM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Dec 21 2006, 09:39 PM)
Turns out, it DISPLAYS in 1080p, but CANNOT RECEIVE a 1080p signal. What a CROC!
WTF!
How the hell is it 1080p anything, then? It has 1920x1080 pixels, but you cannot use them? Another WTF moment by sony.
Post by: incognegro on December 22, 2006, 04:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Dec 22 2006, 12:59 PM)
WTF!
How the hell is it 1080p anything, then? It has 1920x1080 pixels, but you cannot use them? Another WTF moment by sony.
it upscales to 1080p.....just can't accept 1080p.
Post by: Pheidias on December 22, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 22, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
It's been supposedly coming for the last 6 yrs. I'll believe it when i see it.
You cannot beat CRT tech, so i'd love it if it did ever come out at a reasonable price.
Post by: DragoNs on December 23, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Dec 21 2006, 11:39 PM)
So a couple months back I bought a 50" Sony Grand Wega SXRD TV. (model KDS-R50XBR1)
It was advertised as a 1080p TV. It's spec manual states that it's native resolution is 1080p.
Imagine my surprise when I got my PS3, connected it via HDMI, and can't receive a 1080p signal. After F'ing with it for awhile I finally contacted Sony tech support.
Turns out, it DISPLAYS in 1080p, but CANNOT RECEIVE a 1080p signal. What a CROC!
Buyers Beware.
There is a newer model out now (KDS-50A2000). Unfortunately, it has less features (no cable card or memory card slots), and in my opinion doesn't look nearly as nice. But one thing it does, is accept 1080p signal via HDMI.
I should write those f'ers at Sony a strongly worder letter.
this was a known issue for a very long time, many reviews have stated this.
Post by: apocknight on December 26, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Dec 22 2006, 12:59 PM) 
WTF! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
How the hell is it 1080p anything, then? It has 1920x1080 pixels, but you cannot use them? Another WTF moment by sony. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
This was not just sony every first gen 1080p tv did this.
Also don't waste your money on 1080p unless your getting a 60" TV or you will have to set really close to see the difference. Only saying because KDS-R50XBR1 is 50" I would say that is the bare minimum. I would almost say the people buying the 37" and 42" 1080P LCDs are getting ripped off.
Post by: The Juggler on December 27, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(apocknight @ Dec 26 2006, 09:42 PM)
This was not just sony every first gen 1080p tv did this.
Also don't waste your money on 1080p unless your getting a 60" TV or you will have to set really close to see the difference. Only saying because KDS-R50XBR1 is 50" I would say that is the bare minimum. I would almost say the people buying the 37" and 42" 1080P LCDs are getting ripped off.
Advice taken. I replaced my 50" KDSR50XBR1 with a 60" KDS60A2000.
1080p input thru HDMI. I have to admit, Gran Turismo looks fantastic.
I honestly like the physical look of the XBR series better, but they are only offering it in 60" and 70" models now, and at several hundred more (or several thousand more for the 70") than the A2000 series.
Only real feature differences are the cable card and memory stick slots (which I wasn't using anyhow).
Now to try and find the fix for the PS3 controller locking up. I've seen posts abot that being an issue before. Was there something that causes it, or is there a fix?
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 28, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
QUOTE(apocknight @ Dec 26 2006, 09:42 PM)
This was not just sony every first gen 1080p tv did this.
Also don't waste your money on 1080p unless your getting a 60" TV or you will have to set really close to see the difference. Only saying because KDS-R50XBR1 is 50" I would say that is the bare minimum. I would almost say the people buying the 37" and 42" 1080P LCDs are getting ripped off.
I disagree sir, for the short time that I had my 60GB PS3 hooked up to my 1080p 37" Westinghouse I can say for sure that there was a definite difference in clarity between 1080i and 1080p mode even from a distance of about 8-10 feet.
Post by: maz57 on December 28, 2006, 07:27:00 AM
QUOTE(apocknight @ Dec 26 2006, 03:42 PM)
I would almost say the people buying the 37" and 42" 1080P LCDs are getting ripped off.
I plan on buying either the Westinghouse 37" or 42" 1080p lcd because I plan to use it as my pc monitor as well as connecting my 3 gaming systems (360, ps3 and wii). 1080p is much much better than 720p when using it as a pc monitor plus the bonus of running 360 and ps3 in 1080p when supported is nice.
Plus the westinghouse prices are great, I've seen the 37" 1080p lcd for $900 at buy.com and 42" 1080p lcd for $1500, about the same price as most 720p lcd's and it has tons of inputs including 3 hdcp 1080p inputs(1 hdmi and 2 dvi), 2 components and vga. Great value for 1080p.
Post by: apocknight on December 28, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 28 2006, 09:49 AM)
I disagree sir, for the short time that I had my 60GB PS3 hooked up to my 1080p 37" Westinghouse I can say for sure that there was a definite difference in clarity between 1080i and 1080p mode even from a distance of about 8-10 feet.
http://www.carltonbale.com/wp-content/uplo...ution_chart.png
look at this chart. 60" tvs you can be 10 feet away from the tv and still see the benefit of 1080P. 37" 1080P can not be seen from greater than 5 feet away.
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Post by: The Juggler on December 28, 2006, 11:00:00 PM
QUOTE(apocknight @ Dec 29 2006, 01:48 AM)
http://www.carltonba...ution_chart.png
look at this chart. 60" tvs you can be 10 feet away from the tv and still see the benefit of 1080P. 37" 1080P can not be seen from greater than 5 feet away.
It actually appears from that chart that at 5' away the full benefit of 1080p is visible on a 37" TV.
And up to 7.5' away, the benefit of 1080p is realized over a resolution of 720p.
But, shit, people can make up statistics for anything. 17% of all people know that!
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 28, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
Post by: apocknight on December 29, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 29 2006, 07:11 AM)
Well I guess I need to smack my Westinghouse and tell it that it is going against what the "experts" say that a 37" 1080P set is capable of. I notice that the chart doesn't bother listing what sets they tested to reach these conclusions and what applications that they were testing them out with. All I am saying is that there is a noticeable difference between the 1080i and the 1080p on my set. Is it night and day? NO, but it is noticeable. @maz57 I got my 37" Westinghouse on a Black Friday doorbuster sale for $800 plus tax. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
maybe its not your tv maybe you just have really good eyes ever think of that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I have not done the tests my self its just all ways what I have heard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Post by: apocknight on December 29, 2006, 03:11:00 PM
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Post by: heartofalion on December 30, 2006, 12:21:00 AM
QUOTE(maz57 @ Dec 28 2006, 08:34 AM)
I plan on buying either the Westinghouse 37" or 42" 1080p lcd because I plan to use it as my pc monitor as well as connecting my 3 gaming systems (360, ps3 and wii). 1080p is much much better than 720p when using it as a pc monitor plus the bonus of running 360 and ps3 in 1080p when supported is nice.
Plus the westinghouse prices are great, I've seen the 37" 1080p lcd for $900 at buy.com and 42" 1080p lcd for $1500, about the same price as most 720p lcd's and it has tons of inputs including 3 hdcp 1080p inputs(1 hdmi and 2 dvi), 2 components and vga. Great value for 1080p.
I have the 37" and paid $720 black friday, i love it as a pc monitor and it looks amazing with my 360 i would recomend it highly, as for telling the difference i dont care that much it was a giant leap for me from 20" POS to this westinghouse is amazing for me
also if you live close to a shopko from dec 31st to jan 6th the 37" westinghouse is going to be $799 again (i know im an employee so i can check future sales)
This post has been edited by heartofalion: Dec 30 2006, 08:23 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 30, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(apocknight @ Dec 29 2006, 10:47 PM)
maybe its not your tv maybe you just have really good eyes ever think of that?
I have not done the tests my self its just all ways what I have heard. 
Big difference between actually seeing and just hearing.
Post by: skinz-n-bonez on January 01, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
right now, my 65" samsung is capable of displays in 1080i, it also accepts 1080i inputs, but when i check the display status when playing my games, it indicates only 480P. unfortunately for me, this set does not support 720P. it's one of the older generation HDTV sets. so i'm asking if the newer models and upscale even the game displays....
any advice would be great.
thnx
Post by: The Juggler on January 03, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
I think the PS3 was set to downgrade the signal if it didn't find 720p available. I think that was one of the complaints about the software. I haven't experienced this problem first hand, but it seems to me that you could set the PS3 to ONLY output 1080i. Just choose custom display settings instead of automatic.
My only reservation with DLP Tv's was the delay. I don't notice it as much as the first gen of DLPs, but I still notice it. Go into a store and find an LCD and a DLP TV sitting side-by-side that are displaying the same video. You'll notice the LCD picture changes first. (It's down to a fraction of a second with newer models, but it's still noticable). This means that your reaction time in games is that much slower on a DLP TV, because you are seeing what's happening on the screen a little later. On the first gen of DLP Tv's the delay was something like 1 second. It made driving and FPS games unplayable.
Post by: skinz-n-bonez on January 03, 2007, 07:00:00 PM
btw, didn't mean to "jack" the thread...just had questions that couldn't find answers to....
Post by: mlmadmax on January 10, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Jan 3 2007, 10:43 AM)
My only reservation with DLP Tv's was the delay.
I have played a 360 on several DLP projectors as well as a samsung and mits microdisplay DLP all 06 models and there is absolutely no delay.
LCD's on the other hand have issues with seek time hence the big deal about 8 millisecond and below seek times, LCDs can also get dead pixels.
If you have some sort of information about how DLPs can have some sort of delay i would like to stay up on the technology.
The only con that I know of with DLP's is the rainbow effect and only some people can see it, luckily i am not one of those people.