Post by: PS3Scene on November 25, 2006, 09:25:00 PM
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Post by: epsilon72 on November 25, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 25, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: shocwave on November 25, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
Also, very few older TV's support 720p, but they usually support 1080i.
Ps3 doesn't support 1080i.
What happens if you have a older TV? You get to play at ps2 resolution, 480p (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
How's that for next gen?
So after all the bragging they've been doing on 1080p, which appeals to a few small percent of ps3 owners, they've screwed the majority by forcing them to play at 480p.
This post has been edited by shocwave: Nov 26 2006, 07:15 AM
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 25, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Thats bad.
This translates into: damn, glad I didn't buy a launch PS3.
For those not in the know, some high def TV's don't do ALL high def resolutions which are:
480i/p
720i/p
and 1080i/p
the ideal situation is that a TV will do all of those resolutions but then there are some TV's that skip 720i/p and show only the highest resolution which is 1080i/p.
Most ps3 games are rendered in 720i/p but if you have a tv that skips 720i/p the damn system will not upscale it to 1080i/p instead it will DOWNSCALE it to standard 480i/p. Which is what regular TV's use. Bad. Very very bad.
Post by: cerberus414 on November 25, 2006, 11:20:00 PM
The thing about the Xbox 360 is that it upscales everything, never downscaling. Even if the game can only run at 480p, it'll upscale it to whatever resolution you have your TV set to. If its 1080i, it'll output 1080i. Simple as that.
Post by: Zapin on November 25, 2006, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: mikedavis2838 on November 26, 2006, 12:27:00 AM
QUOTE(cerberus414 @ Nov 26 2006, 06:51 AM) 
No no no. That is not it. PS3 supports 1080i, its just that it can't upscale 720p games to 1080i, and instead downscales all the way to 480p which is a regular definition for a DVD quality movie.
This is something that i am confused about. Does the PS3 actually downscale the game or does it render at 480P instead? I was under the impression that the PS3 didnt have an internal scaler. Although even major websites such as ign use the word downscale.
Post by: Muzzakus on November 26, 2006, 02:23:00 AM
QUOTE(mikedavis2838 @ Nov 26 2006, 07:34 AM)
This is something that i am confused about. Does the PS3 actually downscale the game or does it render at 480P instead? I was under the impression that the PS3 didnt have an internal scaler. Although even major websites such as ign use the word downscale.
The sony diplays what it renders. This is why it cannot magically scale a 720p (1280x720 rez) game into a 1080i one (1920x1080 rez) as the performance hit to render that resolution would be to dramatic...i.e. poor framerate. So if the tv cannot do 720p, it will drop back to 480p (720x480 rez). This I imagine would result in a comparitively poor picture i.e The same resolution as the old hardware.
The Xbox360 can render at one resolution and output in a nother. So for most intensive purposes - it renders internally at 720p and will for no performance penalty display it at 1080i thanks to the scaler hardware.
Muz
Post by: turk3y on November 26, 2006, 02:33:00 AM
QUOTE(cerberus414 @ Nov 26 2006, 05:51 AM)
The thing about the Xbox 360 is that it upscales everything, never downscaling. Even if the game can only run at 480p, it'll upscale it to whatever resolution you have your TV set to. If its 1080i, it'll output 1080i. Simple as that.
if it never downscales and all games are 720p how does it still manage to do 480p/i ? and if it does ever do a 1080p game i very much doubt it wont downscale to 720p, or over 90% of its users will be unable to enjoy it.
I cant believe Sony can say that they "are the next generation" supporting true HD if they arnt supporting legacy HD (which is still HD). Talk abot screw the early adopters.
Post by: dvsone on November 26, 2006, 03:42:00 AM
Post by: Pheidias on November 26, 2006, 04:03:00 AM
And sony is still supporting all resolutions, its just that some games don't.
Post by: incognegro on November 26, 2006, 06:55:00 AM
It'll be interesting to see what sony does to fix this. If they do actually fix it...
This post has been edited by incognegro: Nov 26 2006, 02:57 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 26, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: epsilon72 on November 26, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: dvsone on November 26, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
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but..but..but...it looked much better in the store
Now sony can't pick on MS about HDMI, they have their own HD output problems
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 26, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
To be honest it makes it look like a Blu-Ray issue in general. I know movies don't suffer this problem but to Joe Consumer they're going to read an article about how this new HDTV they just got on black friday won't do anything better than DVD on their systems.
While Blu-Ray movies don't suffer from this the average consumer is going to be confused. They're going to ask the salesperson if the Xbox 360 has this problem as well and the answer is going to be no.
Congrats, one more sale for Microsoft all because Sony has overpromised and under-delivered
Post by: lmaolmao on November 26, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
so you choose your screen size, and thus choose your framerate?
thats freakin awesome!
480p everytime!, better than shocking framerates at 1080p or whatever!
Post by: alsybub on November 26, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(lmaolmao @ Nov 26 2006, 07:29 PM)
the ps3 surely cant render at different sizes for each output.
so you choose your screen size, and thus choose your framerate?
thats freakin awesome!
480p everytime!, better than shocking framerates at 1080p or whatever!
so you choose your screen size, and thus choose your framerate?
thats freakin awesome!
480p everytime!, better than shocking framerates at 1080p or whatever!
Post by: g00f on November 26, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
I find it very weird that 1080i is considered a lower resolution then 720p in the setup menu for the PS3, i could not figure out my after telling the PS3 to run at 1080i thru my scaler, that Resistance looked like crap, i mean duke nuken pixelation.... of course it was the down scalling the game to 480p so there was lost of jaggies that i saw.
BTW, I called Sony support about this earlier today, what a mistake, newbie assisted and they knew nothing about this or my wireless connectivity issue; soon as i heard ".... now goto your modem and disconnect the power...." i should have hung up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .
Post by: krawhitham on November 26, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 26 2006, 03:20 PM)
WoW! Screwed Sony are!
You have no idea, rumor high on the hill is at least 2 groups have games running off the PS3's HD
Post by: mlmadmax on November 26, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: dvsone on November 26, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: pigman006 on November 27, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: nezff on December 08, 2006, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: mlmadmax on December 08, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
HDMI is not just for 1080p, it is an all digital connection and if you have one you should use it. Component will still look great but if and when sony allows upconversion of standard dvds you will not be able to do that over component.
Post by: nezff on December 08, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Dec 8 2006, 07:03 PM)
Games that say 720p support only on the box will only play at 720p. If your set your dash to auto detect resolution you should be fine after this latest update. People who have tv's that only support 1080i and 480i/p are the ones that are really effected.
HDMI is not just for 1080p, it is an all digital connection and if you have one you should use it. Component will still look great but if and when sony allows upconversion of standard dvds you will not be able to do that over component.
so you are saying games that are 720p cant be played at 1080i? i have alot of games on the 360 that are 720p and I play them at 1080i.
Post by: mlmadmax on December 08, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
The PS3 does not have an internal scaler chip, so if the game says 720p supported and nothing else than that is all the PS3 will output the game in. Lets say you have a game that is 720p support only and you manually disable 720p in the ps3 dash, the PS3 will than downscale the game into 480p.
The reason why a lot of people including me are pissed that the ps3 can't scale games is because if you own a TV that only does 1080i and 480i/p and you have a ps3 game that only does 720p (like resistance fall of man) you get craptacular 480p.
Post by: nezff on December 09, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Dec 8 2006, 08:26 PM)
The Xbox 360 has a built in scaler chip so if you set your dash to 1080i it will scale all content to that resolution.
The PS3 does not have an internal scaler chip, so if the game says 720p supported and nothing else than that is all the PS3 will output the game in. Lets say you have a game that is 720p support only and you manually disable 720p in the ps3 dash, the PS3 will than downscale the game into 480p.
The reason why a lot of people including me are pissed that the ps3 can't scale games is because if you own a TV that only does 1080i and 480i/p and you have a ps3 game that only does 720p (like resistance fall of man) you get craptacular 480p.
Ok so if a game is 720p, It will play at 720p on my tv even though I have a 1080i? and for blue ray, what resolution can i watch that at? 1080i?
Post by: mlmadmax on December 11, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
If you have a tv that does 1080i, 720p, and 480i/p (like you) and you have your PS3 set to accept all those inputs it goes as follows,
Game says 720p on box only, game plays at 720p only
Game says 720p, 1080i, you get 1080i
Blue ray you get 1080i.
That is the best i can explain it
Post by: JyveTurkey on February 05, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Dec 11 2006, 09:38 PM) 
Ok here goes,
If you have a tv that does 1080i, 720p, and 480i/p (like you) and you have your PS3 set to accept all those inputs it goes as follows,
Game says 720p on box only, game plays at 720p only
Game says 720p, 1080i, you get 1080i
Blue ray you get 1080i.
That is the best i can explain it
Sounds like I'm ok then...I'm using a sony KV-40xbr800 (40" CRT) that is capable of all those resolutions, just no 1080p. I have all those rez's checked in the PS3 dash so I should be good to go then right? I'm using the sony component cable for the time being. As soon as the upscaling thing is fixed, I'll need to switch to an hdmi to dvi cable right?
Post by: Mr Invader on February 06, 2007, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(lmaolmao @ Nov 26 2006, 01:29 PM)
the ps3 surely cant render at different sizes for each output.
so you choose your screen size, and thus choose your framerate?
thats freakin awesome!
480p everytime!, better than shocking framerates at 1080p or whatever!
How about 720p everytime? No shocking framerates. And it can be upscaled to 1080i/p without loss of framerate.
Post by: dokworm on March 25, 2007, 12:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 26 2006, 11:34 AM)
That would probably be a fair assumption.
And sony is still supporting all resolutions, its just that some games don't.
*some games*?? Try 'nearly every bloody game doesn't support 1080i'
QUOTE(nezff @ Dec 10 2006, 12:25 AM)
Ok so if a game is 720p, It will play at 720p on my tv even though I have a 1080i? and for blue ray, what resolution can i watch that at? 1080i?
No, if your TV can only display 1080i, then a 720P game will only play at crappy 480P.
If you TV can display 720P then you are OK, if it can't then Sony has decided that as an owner of a 1080i TV that you don't deserve HD gaming, whereas the 360 supports 1080i no matter what the game resolution is.
Post by: Achilleas on June 28, 2007, 01:06:00 AM
I have a Plasma that supports 1080i, 720p, and 480i/p and use a HDMI output cord thing.
When all the new games come out and they are in 1080p, will i get downscalled to 720p or 1080i?
And is there a massive difference between 1080i and 1080p in relation to games>
Thanks
Post by: KaRiL on June 30, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Achilleas @ Jun 28 2007, 12:42 AM)
Ok guys need your help with something:
I have a Plasma that supports 1080i, 720p, and 480i/p and use a HDMI output cord thing.
When all the new games come out and they are in 1080p, will i get downscalled to 720p or 1080i?
And is there a massive difference between 1080i and 1080p in relation to games>
Thanks
1. I'm 99.9% postive your plasma is 720p native which means everything you watch on it will be scaled to 720p
I also doubt there will be very many games at 1080p in the near future but if there are, refer to 1.
differernce in 1080i/p?? not for you because...1.
Post by: Kamasutra318 on July 21, 2007, 03:30:00 PM