Post by: PS3Scene on March 28, 2007, 03:19:00 PM
Paradox Comment on PS3 iSO Loader Posted by XanTium | 28-3-2007 16:19 EST |
| From Paradox' latest NFO (Armored_Core_4_USA_PS3-PARADOX): Quote
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Post by: dmb062082 on March 28, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
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And to all those b*tching in forums STFU - if you wanna b*tch write your own - oh sorry forgot your thick as fcuk and your knowledge is limited to FTP downloads and WinRAR.....
With an attitude like this I just lose interest in the project anyway. I took it with a grain of salt and forgot about it... a long time ago. Nothing has changed, and I could care less if its real or hype, or if it is ever released for that matter. I have homebrew on my ps3 to an extent with Gentoo, if I can not pirate games I wont lose sleep. ITS NOT something I Need though nice it would be. Oh well.
Post by: scottmuller28 on March 28, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: asoftlad on March 28, 2007, 05:02:00 PM
I only hope the scene takes notice before we all have to paypal contributions to put the console division of PDX through rehab.
I have full faith in PDX, having used many of their realeases cross platform i only had issues with one (the equally long coming chaos theory patch) but their good enough odds for me to be confident in their work.
I equally fully support their decision to stall the NTSC release in favour of a universal release that works with the modified PAL hardware.
Take a break guys, forget the scene for awhile. Then come back relaxed and with a clear head and do what you do best!
Post by: easyjesus on March 28, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
This guy is full of it!! If the pal version does not work than woopy doo!
Just release the u.s. version and save your self-worth. I remember , just wait it will be out when the europe launch happens, well i was watching, you know what i saw..... nothing
just a non talented guy and his made up paradox loader that has fake videos
and no proof ... bend over good sir, you have just been flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamed!!
or prove me and everyone else wrong and share your info.. true hackers dont hack for money!!!
dont be a bitch ass.
Post by: heartofalion on March 28, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
they are not some of the wall warez group.
Mebe read there wiki?
they are legit dude, just give them time.
This is a favor to us they arent doing this cuz they have to u fuck
Post by: luke3001 on March 28, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
and yes, i do only know FTP and winrar
but im not complianing!! i'm willing to wait as long as it takes with this crappy out of date firmware, there's a reason i have a ps3 and 0 games...and its not because im waiting for your loader. the games blow anyways!
Post by: openxdkman on March 29, 2007, 01:24:00 AM
So, there is no longer any ETA of any kind... and lesser hopes for PAL ps3's.
Let's be realistic. Now 99% of PS3 users will have fun online and gladly upgrade firmware.
When exploit will be known, only a few people (really a few) will be able to use it. Only pure pirates or pure developpers... They should have released technical exploit details even if it only works on NTSC. But they have pure pirate profile, not developper profile...
However, what happened with 360 may still happen... I.e a human mistake opening a hole in a narrow firmware version range. But that will be pure luck.
Certainly, the hints given by Paradox are nice. A few skilled developpers know where to look for, with which hardware, with which firmware range. That's quite precious and we have to thank them (for the hints, confirmed by ferrox story). But for non-pirate developpers, motivation is low (just the need of GPU driver) since all other parts of homebrew programming are already supported on ps3. So don't expect a rush on finding the exploit. It will take time... a lots of time... Also some developpers said they won't try to hack ps3 to reward Sony for their good move in letting users install Linux out of the box.
They shouldn't complain. When you advertise what you have and people want it badly and can't grab it, flaming posts always appear... No exceptions. If you want to design something peacefully, don't show it.
This post has been edited by openxdkman: Mar 30 2007, 01:12 PM
Post by: Shaolyen on March 29, 2007, 01:42:00 AM
Post by: UB6_IB9 on March 29, 2007, 07:45:00 AM
QUOTE(dmb062082 @ Mar 28 2007, 10:23 PM) 
The only person crying is this guy. He needs to STFU and go play with his warez. If anything, people are talking less and less about this so called loader, which is why I think this amazing news article was even posted. Its not news worthy so just ignore it until something happens.
With an attitude like this I just lose interest in the project anyway. I took it with a grain of salt and forgot about it... a long time ago. Nothing has changed, and I could care less if its real or hype, or if it is ever released for that matter. I have homebrew on my ps3 to an extent with Gentoo, if I can not pirate games I wont lose sleep. ITS NOT something I Need though nice it would be. Oh well.
Yeah I totally agree mate they haven't done anything yet so we all have the rights to shut them down and say that its all bullshit. He says that have hit a stumbling block so why not get help then....the 360 wasn't hacked by one person alone, the origin hack was created then other people added to this to make it better. I say they should just release whatever they have now and stop bitching about their "stumbling blocks". Even if they don't release it and it can be done I'm sure someone else will do it and put them to shame. Paradox has lost my respect from posting this.
Post by: yourM0M on March 29, 2007, 09:04:00 AM
keep up the good work team paradox thats all i can say
Post by: youloseagain on March 29, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: openxdkman on March 30, 2007, 04:37:00 AM
I'm seriously wondering now...
Let's assume Sony received info about security hole in early February...
If the hole implied the Emotion Engine that would explain its removal...
It was a bit strange to remove it just to save $30... Also trying to make some code run on EE is the first thing to try since all is known about EE and maybe it brought interesting results immediately (that would explain why two teams reported success so fast)...
Someone, on another site, is claiming to have some contacts with PDX and reports this about PAL ps3's: "They can't get their exploit working because the PS2 is being emulated (different programming) so the hole is missing in action".
So, the current pre-requisite for the exploit is :
- firmware between 1.00 and 1.51
- emotion engine
This post has been edited by openxdkman: Mar 30 2007, 11:55 AM
Post by: mik30 on March 30, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(youloseagain @ Mar 30 2007, 02:45 AM)
FAKE!!! Ive been saying it for the past 2 months and everybody tell me to STFU! Parad0x clearly doesnt have an iso loader and if you cant see threw them your a F***** retard.
That´s exactly what any serious guy should think.
The article on wicki about paradox is senseless regarding
the iso loader.
Paradox brought up the expectations of the so called "leechers"
by themself.
I also consider it very cheap to spread images of games with
an info file marking it as "cracked" although they did nothing
more than a divce dump from linux without even touching the
binaries.
Spreading on the other hand arrogant messages like this one
is ridicolous...
They have to recognize that a group only earns respect
for releasing stuff, not for having a big mouth.
Post by: JaXbox on March 31, 2007, 09:26:00 AM
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..oh sorry forgot your thick as fcuk and your knowledge is limited to FTP downloads and WinRAR.....
That one hurt
Can someone plz post the PayPal info to make this bad man stop his bullet-proof critique ? 
Post by: ruciz on April 07, 2007, 11:46:00 AM
Wii IS hacked and selling crazy
Xbox360 IS hacked and selling crazy
PS3 is NOT hacked, and also not selling so great.
Seems like if paradox has a hole of a hole in use, which seems to be the general gist around the 'net.. then I don't think they are going to achieve the same results with the Euro PS3.. which is why they won't release anything.
If they have something - release the NTSC version thats working so well, or at least a 'crippled demo' of it in action..
Consider:
sony knows of the hole and fixed it, 2 firmware revisions ago at 1.54
sony removed 1/2 of the hole via a hardware revision in the euro PS3s
the ferrox group got jobs with sony (or I can't see why they dont divulge the info as sony didn't pat their back)
Releasing info on this old hole now isn't going to prevent anything in the future.. Its already been fixed for BOTH pal and ntsc units.
Just my thoughts.
Post by: x64_02 on April 10, 2007, 08:26:00 PM
Personally I am satisfied to wait on a modchip/cheap bluray burners.
Oh, and to paradicks: How dare you flame this entire community. You have shown no ingenuity. You have just shown yourself by your releases to be a impotent pirate whose useless releases are like giant buckets of sperm labored upon in tribute of some plastic vagina with neither the means or intentions to ever embrace them.
This post has been edited by x64_02: Apr 11 2007, 03:28 AM
Post by: KrazyEyezKilla on April 11, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
...jokes jokes
Post by: Zomah on April 11, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: TeHsU on April 11, 2007, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: supergrafx on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM
Post by: Ivo on April 27, 2007, 04:57:00 AM
It's indeed strange that they don't release exploits or the ntsc ps3 loader :S
(sorry for my bad english)
This post has been edited by Ivo: Apr 27 2007, 11:59 AM
Post by: snowfreeze on May 06, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
Where is the
??? Damn
Post by: Cyberz on May 07, 2007, 02:12:00 AM
QUOTE(snowfreeze @ May 6 2007, 09:06 PM)
Hmmm... That's funny... All of this bitching and I've got the ISO loader, dated late last night. Very hard to find...
Where is the
??? Damn
sure you do, bro.
Post by: Console Man on May 07, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(snowfreeze @ May 6 2007, 10:06 PM)
Hmmm... That's funny... All of this bitching and I've got the ISO loader, dated late last night. Very hard to find...
Where is the
??? Damn
Now how PM's/emails have you had asking for the loader?? PMSL
Post by: Blaatschaap on May 07, 2007, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Console Man @ May 7 2007, 04:48 PM)
Now how PM's/emails have you had asking for the loader?? PMSL
LOL
I know the release date of the paradox loader
It's the same as the release date of Duke Nukem forever
When it's done
I've been reading these topics for an while now cause I also am curieus when and if there's ever gonna be an loader, firmware hack modchip or an magic solution that will cure all world diseases and make the PS3 run back up software but I can't stop laughing about the people who aren't willing to wait.
Things like this takes time and ATM there aren't many great games for the PS3 so the need isn't as big yet.
There has to be good software for it before is an good use for it.
Let the teams take their time for these things.
It will come eventually and if not just be carefull with ur software so u don't NEED to make backups of it
QUOTE(ruciz @ Apr 7 2007, 07:46 PM)
I think its called marketing.. Consoles sell better when there is a hack or theres a 'hack in the works'...
Wii IS hacked and selling crazy
The Wii was already selling like crazy before the hack
The Wii is cheap and fun due to the new controller
It's the first Nintendo console (not handheld) since years that finally got an good promotion
It's been totally hyped and the fact that there aren't enough of them in store makes it more interresting to buy one when there is one
(if everybody buys 1 it must be good)
QUOTE(ruciz @ Apr 7 2007, 07:46 PM)
Xbox360 IS hacked and selling crazy
True the Xbox360 is hacked but I doubt that many of the "normal" consumers buys 1 because it's hacked
Software sells consoles not hacks
The more great games come out for an console the more people will buy them
The most people don't dare to open their xbox 360 cause it could go wrong or I'll lose my garanty or whatever reason they can think off
Post by: daviefresh1775 on May 08, 2007, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: xcomp on May 10, 2007, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: Cyberz on May 12, 2007, 02:11:00 AM
Post by: Mrcon on May 14, 2007, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Bubbalynch on June 10, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
At least they are trying. At least we have gained from them in the past.
They did throw some hints out there, but these things take time. Understand?
Bottom line: Respect them for what they have already accomplished. I know i couldn't have done it.
PDX should continue to do what they love. And im not about to mock them just because they are having
a hard time atm.
EVERYONE has a bad day now and then. People should remember that. And stop acting as if they have a
right to even complain about this topic. They want to help make this happen. And i for one and thankful for it.
Why not stand in their corner, and give them our support? You_Rock_PDX! Always have and always will...
Please keep up the hard work, some of us still believe in you guys. And you are appriciated!
Post by: Cyberz on June 11, 2007, 02:43:00 AM
Post by: Questioner on June 11, 2007, 08:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Cyberz @ Jun 11 2007, 09:19 AM)
This seems to be the real deal, works on firmware 1.51 but not later.
However, the author has said some games do not load, hopefully this is just a media issue.
ps3news has closed the thread about this hack.
Post by: openxdkman on June 13, 2007, 06:19:00 AM
Let's call it the Dimmujed exploit.
Post by: KingKobra1 on July 18, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
I don't think people have any right call Paradox a liar or demand something from them just because they left a few clues in there NFO...Based on there past work they will do it..eventually.
Post by: rameysblackbelt on July 22, 2007, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(JaXbox @ Mar 31 2007, 05:02 PM)
That one hurt
Can someone plz post the PayPal info to make this bad man stop his bullet-proof critique ? they all full sh_t if they so smart why so long i mean god built the world in 7 days and they had year to fix a little black box seems they act like gods so where is god #2 see shut up and let some fix the ps3 man so stupid
Post by: colddog on March 19, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
So, stop filling us of sh!t because we will throw it in your face.
Your team look less serious because of you b!tch. I wish that your team mates will sanction you for this post b!tching evryone who will love to have an iso loader. Maybe you have knowledge to hack something, good for you, but deep in me, i wish that this iso loader will not be released, so Sony could be the first non-hackable company to laught at you and say IN YOUR FACE!!!!
I'm looking my collection of LEGAL games, and i'm proud to play it online, update my firmware without fear of anything, and i have something with value, not a copy with hand written title and paper pocket....lol!!!!
anyways, if it's released, we will not thank you for your work, but your other team mates will be.
Post by: xboxpirate11 on April 16, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
another thing i dont understand is why are different teams trying to be the first to do this and the first to release that.. i know its somewhat a competition, but wouldnt the scene move much faster if it was more "open sourced", and in the end still share the credits as in this team contributed this and that.
Post by: X-hacker on April 20, 2008, 04:02:00 PM
Too many ppl jumping to the gun and spammers spreading pure diabolical sh1te on these forums.
My advice, STFU whining and let ppl get on with it. If you don't understand the concepts of console hacking then you're not in the position to comment on current workings.
There may or maybe not be an ISOLoader/Modchip available for it anytime soon, but the 360 took nearly a year to crack.
One final word...
Too many bullsh1tters and way too many gulible people...
Post by: Bonez333 on May 06, 2008, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: bidomo on June 04, 2008, 02:09:00 AM
So you want pirate games so badly????
Get a job and buy stuff.
Paradox gave us so much in the past, I remember PS Movie player...
Post by: mrpowerbook345 on June 15, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Bonez333 @ May 6 2008, 03:33 PM) 
Hey Paradix is the iso loader ready yet!! HUH!!!????????????
Post by: death trap on June 27, 2008, 04:25:00 AM
Paradox deserve some respect theve been in the "scene" longer than some of you have been alive, their software enginers have cracked/exploited more software than any other group out there. Maybe if you guys had a list of achivements as long as PDX then you would have the right to complain.
If i was in PDX I certainly wouldnt be makeing any effort to crack the PS3 after reading all you bitchy coments on here and other sites. I would move my efforts to some other platform where my work would be apprecated.
If you wana see the PS3 hacked any time soon I sugest that you grow up a little, maybe you could all help each other instead of all this bitching and complaining. Maybe just maybe if you can manage that you will get to see a working PS3 hack before the end of the year.
If you dont change the way you think there will never be a PS3 hack. I can tell you now theres not many people that are willing to give up their free time to develop hacks for you ungreatfull bastards.
For those of you that dont belive me about the history of paradox look here.
http://en.wikipedia....PARADOX_(warez)
Post by: F3Stone on September 29, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: dasnk on October 25, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
QUOTE(X-hacker @ Apr 21 2008, 12:02 AM)
Remember when we were waiting for the 360 to be hacked?
the 360 took nearly a year to crack.
The 360 has been cracked?
Great!
/Runs off to install XBMC
Post by: 1nsan3 on November 04, 2008, 08:10:00 AM
.kinda like the xbox 360 controller mod for rapid-fire... .. that just destroys online gaming... but hey, not my fault u cant shoot!!!
Post by: YoungGeekGuy on November 14, 2008, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: timstim on November 21, 2008, 12:24:00 AM
QUOTE(1nsan3 @ Nov 4 2008, 07:46 AM) 
in a way i am kinda glad the ps3 hasnt been hacked yet... then ya dont have to worry about online modders ( cheaters) yet.. like with the xbox1.. security is a good thing.. offline i dont give a rats ass,, But online hacking, i do NOT support..
.kinda like the xbox 360 controller mod for rapid-fire... .. that just destroys online gaming... but hey, not my fault u cant shoot!!!
lol rapid fire controllers are a joke, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i destroy people with rapid fire controllers all the time.they dont hurt online play at all like a wallhack or aimbot would.if you have problems with people using rapidfire maby you need to practice more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: vivekvivek2001 on December 12, 2008, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: vildzek on December 14, 2008, 03:16:00 AM
Post by: mafiafan123 on December 15, 2008, 12:57:00 AM
QUOTE(vildzek @ Dec 14 2008, 04:52 AM)
Good question, hard answer. I too want to be hacked, i hate to pay 50 E on a single game.
That would be Piracy tho. watch that. I dont mind supporting dev. of games but it is nice to backup your own game so you dont have to worry about it getting messed up handleing it all the time
Post by: ludacrisvp on December 16, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(vildzek @ Dec 14 2008, 04:52 AM)
Good question, hard answer. I too want to be hacked, i hate to pay 50 E on a single game.
So what you are saying is that you intend to PIRATE games on the PS3 if it is ever hacked.
Well I don't see a reason for it to ever be hacked.
The BluRay discs havent had any read issues for me, nor do they scratch as easily as a DVD,
so at this point in time the "backup" excuse that some use is not going to be good enough to justify
anyone making or releasing a hack for the PS3.
The PS3 does all I need it to do without any modifications.
I can run my Linux when I want to, while it would be nice to have access to the gpu in linux but it still isnt stopping me from using it from time to time.
There is no need for a hack to play backups at this point in time, besides the cost of BD-r and their burners are a lot more than the cost of buying the games again if you damage them to the point of being non-functional.
There are only two hacks that I think should happen.
1. Full GPU access in Linux - even with the latest firmware applied.
2. Ability to play music content in ALL games not just one game that had an update to have a built in music player that plays the music on your hard drive. (pain was updated to add a jukebox) I want to press the PS button and play my music from the XMB. There was a hack done to the PSP that allowed the same type of functionality long before the PS3 had in-game XMB.
That's it, there is no need for there to be a hack for what you want to do.
Post by: deadpool66 on February 16, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(timstim @ Nov 21 2008, 09:00 AM)
lol rapid fire controllers are a joke,
i destroy people with rapid fire controllers all the time.they dont hurt online play at all like a wallhack or aimbot would.if you have problems with people using rapidfire maby you need to practice more. You say that becuase you probably are a cheater with a rapid fire controller nice try.
Post by: PowderDay on February 18, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(ludacrisvp @ Dec 16 2008, 06:03 PM)
There is no need for a hack to play backups at this point in time, besides the cost of BD-r and their burners are a lot more than the cost of buying the games again if you damage them to the point of being non-functional.
You must not have kids, know any kids, or think kids don't play video games.
I want it to be hacked, so I can load my games onto my hard drive and play them from there. This way, when my or any other kid switches games, theres NO chance for a scratched/broken disk.
If you think a kid can't destroy a BR game easily without trying, you're insane. At $60 a pop, I DO need backups, but not in disk form. The point for me is to loose the spinning media, the point where all the damage is done, and get it out of the picture.
Aside from that, as we've seen with the xbox1 community, you get a lot more support for things like uncommon codecs and such from the hacker community that sony or M$ would never provide. Codec support is just an example of course.
Post by: Meethatguy on April 24, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
I just wish people would think about this a little..
First.. what happened to the psp when everyone started pirating? no mor egood games..
and you guys complain there are no good games for ps3 now?? after this you might as well instal linux and use it for a PC.
Also,,, do you have a blu ray burner??? And I know more then 80% of us here dont either because its not practical at this time.
There is also no way to FTP to a PS3 or fiddle with the file system through your pc so......
Post by: R2D2 on May 13, 2009, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: vildzek on May 14, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: D3m0n1k on May 15, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Is this not possible, or am I missing something with the PS3 security checks?
Post by: openxdkman on May 17, 2009, 03:36:00 AM
1) To create a valid CFW
The whole thing is a chain of code parts. First code part is in CPU chipset itself and can't change.
It launches next part read from NAND chipset (the persistant memory thing that holds the 'firmware' and can be 'reflashed' during firmware upgrades). Sometimes it launches or read even more external extra things (like NXE needing extra parts from onboard or external memory units for avatars, on 360).
The problem is at each step of the chain, before launching next part, this part is read, hashed (a small signature string is computed, unique for each unique compilable code part), hash is encrypted, compared to expected hash, etc... Encryption is asymetric (pair public/private key). Console knows a public key so it can authenticate (see xorloser's blog for nice explanations for noobs). But to be able to create a valid part implies you know the private key. Xorloser calculated, in best cases, we would need 700000 years to brute force break it (see his blog). So... unless there is a flaw in this cascade of signature verification, we can't create our own CFW.
In the case of 360 that flaw existed temporarily in kernel 4532 and 4548, allowing tmbinc to offer a way to erase memory and load linux onboard 360. Flaw isn't at very beginning of boot, so booting normally and launching KK and letting shader rampage 360 innards is necessary. No such flaw in recent models and firmwares. I don't think PS3 has such a flaw either in recent firmwares and pressure is low to find one since Linux is allowed through alternate booting route (Other OS).
2) To swap firmwares
If we can't create a new one, let's swap among existing ones.
Even that is blocked nowadays. On 360 it's called LDV lock down value, wrote in firmware image, and that should match efuses states in console. To touch it, a cpu key is needed, that is involved in a per-machine encryption of firmware (this is separate from the signature of valid code seen above).
But cpu key is inside cpu chipset and you get it only if you can run code at will (miracle : kk shader allowed us to do that, because of a 2nd major flaw, KK related : shader isn't signed nor verified).
On PS3, earlier firmwares could be swapped, then a bit after 2.10 it couldn't. So a mechanism a bit like efuses but not very well known prevents older firmware to work again if reflashed.
3) To circumvent... blablabla
Evil drive hacks... etc... 360 failed at protecting drive firmware. PS3 still resists. Wii is a joke.
Be aware they will just drop drives soon, for download services. So this part will just be gone soon.
The conclusion is that modern and serious consoles are very will protected (let's ignore Wii for now, it's not known as a 'seriously protected' console since tmbinc, bushing and co. found many flaws in its security)
Another thing is what happened to console who got CFW? Best example is PSP.
A serious slow down of games releases could be noticed, because there were not enough money to do with so much rampant piracy. For that reason, some of the best brains out there are not really interested in looking for ways to create CFW's anymore and they rather want to stick to just offering ways to boot linux.
At least it opens ways to emulators running under Linux without opening wide piracy gate.
Kutagari saw that and letting Linux boot on PS3 was smart and probably gave PS3 the best chance to avoid massive piracy. 360 couldn't avoid it because it made it's dvd drive security based on too much cheap parts that didn't resist hackers. The blueray part of PS3 still resists hackers today.
You shouldn't keep any hope for CFW's on recent 360's and PS3's. What might happen in future is that some intelligent dev/hacker know so well how firmwares (and game os) work that they can write 360 and PS3 emulators running on future machine (PC?) holding enough horsepower to host them.
360 innards are exposed since public keys have been found, and many tools (thx xorloser!) allow to just browse the code freely. So a 360 emulator will certainly happen in future.
PS3 is still mysterious since some public keys are not even known yet, but that may still happen.
Movies on blueray have been decrypted (public keys found in ram while some player software were running, etc...). Earlier PS3 firmwares may have security holes, allowing, at least to understand all decrypting procedures once one of the first games released on blueray is inserted. Then allowing to understand how PS3 works and thus how to write a PS3 emulator... etc....
Emu fun requires patience (let's say decades of patience)...
This post has been edited by openxdkman: May 17 2009, 10:38 AM
Post by: semitope on July 08, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
People you cant consider the world an immaculate place to do business, consumers dont have endless pockets willing to buy every games without first playing it. Linux on the ps3 is a joke
Post by: uN0pEn on July 09, 2009, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(semitope @ Jul 8 2009, 08:49 PM)
A lot of people buy the 360 simply because they can pirate games for itm and still buy games for the system when they feel they want to and can (me included soon) i wouldnt magically buy more games just because i can pirate but the fact that i can does affect whether i buy a system or not and eventually whether i buy games for that system or not. End result is a loss for the hackless system.
People you cant consider the world an immaculate place to do business, consumers dont have endless pockets willing to buy every games without first playing it. Linux on the ps3 is a joke
People you cant consider the world an immaculate place to do business, consumers dont have endless pockets willing to buy every games without first playing it. Linux on the ps3 is a joke
That would be a very good argument. Unfortunately gaming systems are sold at a loss with todays current business models. The only positive for the console manufacturers who are hacked would be gaining market share over another console manufacturer.
Post by: semitope on July 09, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Getting the console into peoples hands is getting that much closer to having them buy games for it.
I think it was the maker of the sims 3 that said the real way to combat piracy was to provide more than what can be pirated. Provide a reason for the person to buy it, stopping them from any access to the game will just lead to a lost sale. A pirate who plays a game, finds it good and needs to buy it is better than someone who never bothered getting the game due to cost restraints. You need something to reel people in and demos don't do at all.
I personally would never buy a game unless i pirated it first so...
Also besides backups, the ps3 would benefit tremendously from proper homebrew apps and games. Sony will never match what the community can come up with.
Post by: ps2moduk on July 09, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
But i have to hand it to Sony they seem to have done their homework protecting this machine so far. Pirating does have a detrimental effect on companies of course but for everyone pirating a game out there i would bet there are a lot more who aren't
The argument about Bluray writers/media being expensive is a bad argument, as with everything if a hack comes out demand for writers and media will increase and the prices will tumble down. I remember my first cd writer cost more than my whole computer way back in the day
and it was a whopping 1 speed as well. Now you can pick them up for peanuts.Post by: semitope on July 10, 2009, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Jul 9 2009, 04:07 PM)
I seriously doubt the ps3 is being sold at a loss now. With each revision they remove uneeded stuff (a usb port here and there etc)
But i have to hand it to Sony they seem to have done their homework protecting this machine so far. Pirating does have a detrimental effect on companies of course but for everyone pirating a game out there i would bet there are a lot more who aren't
The argument about Bluray writers/media being expensive is a bad argument, as with everything if a hack comes out demand for writers and media will increase and the prices will tumble down. I remember my first cd writer cost more than my whole computer way back in the day
and it was a whopping 1 speed as well. Now you can pick them up for peanuts.Yeah thats another thing; so many other sectors would benefit from it depending on how its hacked. The reason DVD as a media is where it is is because of piracy and other personal uses (backups), simple as that, same for CDs.
Post by: dangerpaki on August 19, 2009, 04:05:00 AM
Post by: Marrvia on August 20, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
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Post by: Wof on September 13, 2009, 12:58:00 AM