Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 17, 2006, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: bigkevt on November 17, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: bigjimmy on November 17, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
So far the only things i have seen that we cant make the PS3 do yet are
-make it play copied games (duh!)
-Region free DVDs and and PS2 games
-Allow the RSX to be used for homebrew apps
Hopefully those things will drive the hacking community into developing some form of hack.
Post by: throwingks on November 17, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
- only 256MB out of the 512MB of RAM available to Linux
- GPU not available to Linux (Everything must be software rendered)
This post has been edited by throwingks: Nov 17 2006, 09:32 PM
Post by: calderra on November 17, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(bigjimmy @ Nov 17 2006, 08:44 PM) 
I have a feeling its going to be a lot longer than it took for the 360. Because Sony is letting the PS3 do all this homebrew stuff out of the box, it will take a bit longer for people to find reasons/motivation to hack it.
360 hasn't been modded yet, although its drive was within a few months. If you want to say the so-called "mod chip" that can implement that DVD hack without plugging directly into a computer is a mod... you're still talking most of a year. Technically, PS3 was "hacked" by that standard the same day it was released due to the hard drive. And more fully hacked with bootable arbitrary OSs before the US launch.
Will PS3 take longer than a year? I'm guessing not at this rate.
And isn't running arbitrary OSs already "hacked"?
Post by: bigjimmy on November 17, 2006, 03:21:00 PM
The PS3 will be hacked when it does things that it wasnt designed to do. Eg, use the RSX and Grahpics accelration in linux or homebrew apps.
I think because of the 'upgrades' you can do to the PS3, it will take a litle while longer for the hacking scene to build up momentum if you see what i mean. Sony made a bold move to let people install all this hombrew stuff.....but they did it to discourage hackers. We will see if it pays off in the future.
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Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 18, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: Sloppy Fat Dump on November 19, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: bigjimmy on November 19, 2006, 12:21:00 AM
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Who cares. Way too expensive to mod for me. I'm not about to fork out for a fricken blue ray burner... pshh... Btw, how much do you think 50gb blue ray discs cost? Case and point.
And a very good point that is......at this point in time its a bit pointless, but when blu-ray and HD-DVD become mainstream and cheap, then its a viable option.
Thats also why itll take a bit longer for the hacking scene to take off. Because the 360 used standard DVD's, which are cheap-as now, so that made it easier to hack the 360 and test things...
This post has been edited by bigjimmy: Nov 19 2006, 08:23 AM
Post by: luker89 on November 19, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Sloppy Fat Dump @ Nov 18 2006, 11:06 PM)
Who cares. Way too expensive to mod for me. I'm not about to fork out for a fricken blue ray burner... pshh... Btw, how much do you think 50gb blue ray discs cost? Case and point.
Well instead of hacking it to make backup games on ur pc why not just hack it to burn the games straight to the ps3's hard drive?
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 19, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
Why not make it like the x-box 1 and try to burn the games to the hard drive? Try and get a FTP connection, all that stuff (even though this will need a modchip) ---Still an amazing point. Has to be ANOTHER way. I mean I can't beleive we have to wait for BD to go "mainstream." It'll take years, and by that time PS4 will be out.
Post by: bigjimmy on November 19, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
That would be a lot better solution.....now, just how do we go about doing that? lol
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 20, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
Now all I have to say is...Team Xecuter...please help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: bigjimmy on November 21, 2006, 02:32:00 AM
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Hrm. Can't be so hard.
Famous last words right there.....
Im sure its possible to make the ps3 do all that, but finding a way to make the ps3 do that is a completly different story. I really wish I could help hack the PS3, but i just dont have the knowledge about exactly how computer/console hardware works and how to go about finding holes in the system. (which is why im planning to study Electrical engineering when i go to uni
) Post by: sam1dog on November 21, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 21, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: bigjimmy on November 21, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
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I still remember last week seeing pics of the earlier PS3 IGN got a hold of playing burned bd-roms. I was like wtf. They literally had the game titles written in Sharpie marker.
Yup I saw that picture aswell. That PS3 was a dev system, thats why it could play the burnt games. If only someone could get a hold of one of these systems and figure out what it is that lets it play burnt games (its most likley in the software/firmware/bios) then that could get us somewhere.
Post by: modx15 on November 22, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(bigjimmy @ Nov 21 2006, 11:49 PM)
Yup I saw that picture aswell. That PS3 was a dev system, thats why it could play the burnt games. If only someone could get a hold of one of these systems and figure out what it is that lets it play burnt games (its most likley in the software/firmware/bios) then that could get us somewhere.
Or maybe one of the developers could leak it?? but still burning BL discs = $$$$
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 22, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: bigjimmy on November 23, 2006, 02:26:00 AM
But the question is how? I honestly have no idea how or if this could be done, but im guessing theres going to be some pretty mean securitiy in the PS3 so it wont be easy.
Post by: C o s m o on November 23, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
Keep on topic...and no piracy discussion.
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 23, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: krawhitham on November 24, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
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The opportunity to run Linux on the PS3 seems to be presenting hackers with a route to attack. It is possible to dump PS3 Blu-Ray imaes to ISO files via a Linux install. If you have a 60GB HDD PS3, you may dump images directly via the following command 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/imagename.img'. That said, the file structure of PS3 games is said to be similar of thsoe on the PSP.
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 24, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: sp1200 on November 24, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: Xplic1T on November 24, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(sp1200 @ Nov 24 2006, 09:31 PM) 
I think we will see a hack very soon. I think we will see many similarities between the psp hacks and ps3. Things move so fast these days, and many consoles are being softmodded (how spoiled we have become). It looks like the wii is already booting homebrew code (gcos) and the ps3 is kindly dumping games for us using it's own software. The only thing slowing down progress is distribution of the units themselves. There are so many clever people out there... something is bound to happen soon.
On the issue of using blu-ray disks as the main stronghold for ps3 i think thats complete b.s. Those disk are way to expensive and i know there is a massive shortage of them at hand, i think the blu-ray spectrum is going to remain for Sony developed games only. Smaller companies wont find it a viable choice and i can see in a few months games being released in DVDr DL format. Madden ... a little over 7 gigs .... sp1200 post is very true thought, i see this system being hacked full on and the fact that you can run linux on it almost out of the box is 2/3rds the battle. Its a nVIdIA gpu, even though signing to this gpu processor might be locked there will be ways to unlock it in the future. Similar gpus will come out into the future and there might be a cleaver hack done to actually load a driver to communicate to the GPU and have it render something. I see this hacked within 6 months (atleast a fw hack) if not something that is just a softmod ps3ev0x linux distro that will launch games that way. Out of all the systems out there this is most like a pc, common parts hell i wouldn't even be surprised if in a few years with multcore procs coming out and 4x sli gpus we might even get a decent emulator out there.
Either way i am amazed by the system, i think sony did a good job on the design but im wiaitng for only 3 games for it. Tekken, Ninja Gaiden E, Metal Gear Solid 4.
Post by: sp1200 on November 25, 2006, 02:15:00 AM
I would also agree with the above poster that we will see something in 6 months, if not sooner.
Post by: PromiscuousRacoon on November 25, 2006, 02:21:00 AM
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Post by: theBloodShed on November 25, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
Seriously though, everyone is discussing strictly PS3 backup solutions. What about PS and PS2 backups? I'd like to get those backups working on PS3 so that I no longer need a PS2 in my entertainment center.
I'd just like to add that even if a developer leaked a dev unit firmware update, you can guarantee that it would NOT install on a retail PS3. There will be hardware differences and the updater is certainly going to check (if it didn't, it is very likely to render the unit non-functional anyway).
Post by: bigjimmy on November 25, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
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I know sony has probably got some pretty serious secutrity measures to stop the BIOS from being flashed with non-sony BIOS. Maybe someone could desolder this chip and extract the code from it? I honestly have no idea how hard that might be, so dont flame me if its impossible.
Damnit I wish i knew what to look for. Its so annoying knowing there will be a way to hack it, but its way out of my knowledge how to go about looking for loopholes....
This post has been edited by bigjimmy: Nov 26 2006, 02:59 AM
Post by: Zapin on November 25, 2006, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: conchimdada on November 26, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: sp1200 on November 27, 2006, 02:04:00 AM
QUOTE(conchimdada @ Nov 27 2006, 06:56 AM)
wouldn't it be just the same price to buy the games than buy multiple 2.5" hard drives to put the games on?
Not really. A 300 gig drive is under $200 bucks. That is what, 4 games on Bluray? You will be able to store way more than 4 games on that drive. Especially if dummy data is removed.
BTW, a few sites are reporting that games are being booted off HDD... Dec. 10th will be an interesting day.
Post by: uberfrost on November 27, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: bigjimmy on November 27, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
Lets hope im wrong.
Post by: kjmc on November 27, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: calderra on November 30, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Zapin @ Nov 26 2006, 07:46 AM)
provided it can run real homebrew (full GPU access etc).
Do we really NEED the GPU?
I know that's important eventually, but software emulation will (albeit slowly) make most advanced features possible.
And you don't technically have to "unlock" the GPU to access it- if downloaded programs can be made to run, it might be possible to bypass the protection since the programs will look official to the system. And then theoretically, you could encode other programs with that info to do the same trick.
Also- the PS3 is far more hacked internally. Xbox 360 can't be made to run arbitrary OSs. You can play burned games on the 360... but only via disc. How many people have enough money to buy a BluRay burner and waste some discs as frisbees trying it out? I have a feeling that issue is more related to the economy of experimenting on BluRay than actual security. But again, you'd still be playing off the discs, which doesn't really get you terribly far from a modding standpoint.
Well, until you consider that BluRay movies could also be replicated... there might be a market for that.
Post by: rustybadger on November 30, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
Having said that, having the ability to run a media center app similiar to that on the PS3 would be even more beneficial because with the added CPU power, the PS3 (Even without using the GPU) will be able to play HD encoded MPEG-4 files and output them in HD.
So, here I sit, waiting for the PS3 media center app
Post by: sp1200 on December 01, 2006, 02:57:00 AM
The Dec 10th hack is sounding to be BS. The original source is claiming to now want to charge 599 for the mod (said it would be free) and is now saying its a modchip with 30 or so wires (said it was a firmware hack)...
Post by: bigjimmy on December 01, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
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The Dec 10th hack is sounding to be BS. The original source is claiming to now want to charge 599 for the mod (said it would be free) and is now saying its a modchip with 30 or so wires (said it was a firmware hack)...
Those bastards..........Well, lets hope someone else figures out how to hack the PS3. I still call BS tho...... One thing ive learnt is never ever beleive something like that is real unless there is a video or other reliable evidence it is fully working.
EDIT: I just read the modified post that the hacking guy made:
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Thank you.
PS3 loader coming December 20th.2006.
PlayBeyond.
Prepare yourself
Prepare your Hard drives
Its coming.........
©deadsoulasis®
PS3 loader coming December 20th.2006.
PlayBeyond.
Prepare yourself
Prepare your Hard drives
Its coming.........
©deadsoulasis®
So now its the 20th? Found that Here
This post has been edited by bigjimmy: Dec 1 2006, 08:32 PM
Post by: jaimebenlasnow on December 01, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
http://www.team-xecuter.com/
Post by: sp1200 on December 02, 2006, 01:15:00 AM
Yea and they are saying booting off HDD is possible. Paradox hinted to it in their nfo also.
Post by: epsilon72 on December 03, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
If this december 10th/20th thing is really legit, I don't think it'll take too long for Sony to release a patch to stop it. I guess it would then turn into an annoying cat and mouse game similar to the PSP.
Just a thought - Several people are complaining about the cost of backups on BD discs - look at the PSP, there's no way you'll be able to get a blank UMD disc to write on, but that didn't stop the hackers there....
Post by: money69 on December 05, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Firebat138 on December 30, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
QUOTE(bigkevt @ Nov 17 2006, 08:42 PM)
no comment
Post by: bigjimmy on December 31, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Woot! 600th post!