QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 26 2007, 12:39 PM)

The console on a whole doesn't seem to be doing well and I wonder if the PS3 never achieves more than a distant 3rd but helps to solidify Blu-Ray as a format will it have been worth it?
I actually think including blu-ray is the only thing thats saving them right now.
I think everyone agrees the biggest turn-off for the PS3 is lack of, and poor ports of games which has more to do with the cell processor than blu-ray
even a $400 price point, with no blu-ray, wouldn't be enough to challenge the 360 if the software isn't there.
QUOTE(KaRiL @ Jul 26 2007, 04:59 PM)

I actually think including blu-ray is the only thing thats saving them right now.
I think everyone agrees the biggest turn-off for the PS3 is lack of, and poor ports of games which has more to do with the cell processor than blu-ray
even a $400 price point, with no blu-ray, wouldn't be enough to challenge the 360 if the software isn't there.
Interesting point
though if they had not included blueray I think many more people would have bought it at launch and as a result they wouldn't have lost so many games. While I agree that the quality of the game is an issue due to the programming complexity. the PS3 was unable to follow in the PS2's footsteps of a popular launch despite the games due to the costs that blue ray added.
it's hard to speculate how things would have been had BlueRay not been included. Did it really delay the console so many months or was that just the excuse for other problems (due to the fact that other things like the online service weren't ready at launch I tend to believe it was just a cover)... it's hard saying but as much as blue ray is helping them have what little market share they have I think it's also in part to blame for the sticker shock most people have over this thing and thus the reason we haven't see those 5 million people that Sony though would have bought the console no matter what the games were.
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whats better for sony PS3 fails and blue ray succeeds or blue ray fails and ps3 succeeds?
If Blu-Ray succeeds it will be partly due to the PS3 not despite it.
PS3 may not be selling as they hoped at the moment but it will not fail. Too much invested in it for that to happen.