Post by: mlmadmax on April 23, 2007, 09:20:00 PM
Walmart decided to back HD-DVD and not blu-ray. Come 2008 blue ray will be stomped walmart has ordered MILLIONS of HDDVD units and they are going to retail for 200 bucks. It is going to be very hard for blu-ray to kepp up after that.
Post by: mlmadmax on April 23, 2007, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: epsilon72 on April 24, 2007, 12:14:00 AM
----but if they did have 7.1 through HDMI and 1080p, I'll seriously consider selling my PS3.
Either way, since the general public doesn't give a rat's *** about 1080p or 7.1, this is REALLY going to help the HD-DVD camp.
Post by: ConteZero76 on April 24, 2007, 01:19:00 AM
I think it wouldn't be that much of a deal, right now you can go to Amazon and take a Toshiba HD-DVD reader for $300-something plus every vendor will deliver cheap readers before xmas.
The truth is that you can take an HD-DVD reader today ( http://www.amazon.co...D...853&sr=8-25 ) for $290, still HD-DVD is losing ground.
By the next winter Wallmart will deliver HD-DVD at $299, but Sony and others will push BD-DVD readers on the same way too, so there's not much of a deal here.
Someone miss the point that for $599 (that's not much) you can get a good BD-DVD player that also play games.
Post by: kronium on April 24, 2007, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Apr 24 2007, 08:26 AM) 
Those $299 HD-DVD are expected for xmas...
I think it wouldn't be that much of a deal, right now you can go to Amazon and take a Toshiba HD-DVD reader for $300-something plus every vendor will deliver cheap readers before xmas.
The truth is that you can take an HD-DVD reader today ( http://www.amazon.co...D...853&sr=8-25 ) for $290, still HD-DVD is losing ground.
By the next winter Wallmart will deliver HD-DVD at $299, but Sony and others will push BD-DVD readers on the same way too, so there's not much of a deal here.
Someone miss the point that for $599 (that's not much) you can get a good BD-DVD player that also play games.
I'm hearing $200 this christmas for these players. And remember everytime you play a movie on your PS3, you lose 2 hrs of life from that drive.
Post by: BanditRW on April 24, 2007, 02:13:00 AM
QUOTE(kronium @ Apr 24 2007, 09:06 AM)
I'm hearing $200 this christmas for these players. And remember everytime you play a movie on your PS3, you lose 2 hrs of life from that drive.
thats about all I use my PS3 for and since I got my 360 HD-DVD player I don't even use it for that...
Post by: sirsmacketh on April 24, 2007, 05:21:00 AM
If we're going to compare total number of discs sold, let's split the totals and find out how many movies are being sold compared to the PS3 games.
As far as I'm concerned, I'll keep my HD-DVD add on for my 360. I'm pissed that SONY decided to start another BETA vs. VHS war.
Not to mention the fact that all the early Blu Ray players will be obsolete this fall.
http://ps3-pros.com/archives/2340
Post by: mlmadmax on April 24, 2007, 08:52:00 AM
When this hits i wouldn't be surprised if HD-DVD doubles blu-ray sales in a month. It is not about the better product or the better player this is making units available at a cheap price to millions upon millions of people and no matter how you slice it it's a huge blow to blu-ray.
Post by: thax on April 24, 2007, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Apr 24 2007, 09:23 AM)
You lose 2 hours of your life every time you do something for two hours.
You lose 2 hrs of life from the XBox360 drive (or the HD-DVD one) when you use them for two hours.
You lose 2 hrs of life from the XBox360 drive (or the HD-DVD one) when you use them for two hours.
If your life is only 10,000 hours then it would be a big deal.
The point being made is that with the x360 you get two drives which means about twice the drive life. The first thing to go on a heavily used console is the drive, the PS2 is an example of that.
Post by: kronium on April 24, 2007, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Apr 24 2007, 09:23 AM)
PS: How Casino royale looks in HD-DVD ? :-)
Better luck with Spiderman 3.
How's the Matrix trilogy gonna look on your PS3? Enjoying Smokin Aces right now? Oh that's right...
Post by: Ranger72 on April 24, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Apr 24 2007, 04:31 PM)
If your life is only 10,000 hours then it would be a big deal.
The point being made is that with the x360 you get two drives which means about twice the drive life. The first thing to go on a heavily used console is the drive, the PS2 is an example of that.
And how many games can you play on your HDDVD add on for your 360?
Post by: Thraxen on April 24, 2007, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: kronium on April 24, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE(xymor @ Apr 24 2007, 09:46 PM)
According to the Chinese media, Taiwan based company Fuh Yuan, in cooperation with TDK, should produce 2 million HD DVD players for Wal-Mart, representing a deal of around 100 million dollars.
Did you know that TDK supports blu-ray exclusively, has invested a lot in blu-ray research and development and is a member of blu-ray association board?
Do you still believe more in the news commenters than in the news reporters?
Does anyone do research anymore? Imation recently acquired TDK media. Imation supports HD DVD.
Akihibara news got it wrong. Is that hard to understand? Their translation of the chinese characters "Blu Ray" has been refuted to mean "blue laser". HD DVD uses a blue laser too.
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 24 2007, 08:05 PM)
And how many games can you play on your HDDVD add on for your 360?
The whole point is to spread the total usage over two drives. Movies on the add-on, games on the xbox.
Post by: mlmadmax on April 24, 2007, 08:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 24 2007, 05:00 PM)
This is definitely big news for HD-DVD, but it's far from a back breaker for BR. Does Wal-Mart have some deal with the HD-DVD camp that prevents them from carrying BR too? If not, expect a similar move by the BR camp. Also, HD-DVD doesn't have the backing of Disney yet. That's a big deal to the general public. When they realize they can't get moves like Pirates of the Caribbean (releasing next month on BR) on HD-DVD many will be BR shopping.
When i saw the original announcment on the news the banner said walmart chose to go with hd-dvd and not blu-ray. The story painted it out to be a wall of cheap hddvd players and movies and a few regular priced blue ray players and movies. Average joe isn't going to know better and he is going go for the new tech that is 250 and not 600 or whatever. This couldjust be to make the story have more punch but that is how the news made it out to be.
Not trying to be a dick but large masses of people just don't care about quality and features. A ton of people will buy this and when the salesman is asked what about disney movies the response will probably be "this HD-DVD player will upconvert your all standard dvd movies to near hd quality" and i don't think the masses of people who are buying it just to be trendy or in the know in the first place will care.
Is this a total deal breaker, who knows. I own both formats and could care less who wins, but this is a pretty large blow to sony. I for one am waiting for a good dual format player to squash all this nonsense.
Post by: epsilon72 on April 25, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 24 2007, 10:47 PM)
That's exactly what I'm waiting on. I'd like a full featured dual format player for $300 USD or less. Preferably around $200. Once something like that hits I'm all over it.
Dual format, 7.1 through HDMI and analog out, 1080p
that would be nice.
Post by: ConteZero76 on April 25, 2007, 06:01:00 AM
QUOTE(thax @ Apr 24 2007, 04:31 PM)
If your life is only 10,000 hours then it would be a big deal.
The point being made is that with the x360 you get two drives which means about twice the drive life. The first thing to go on a heavily used console is the drive, the PS2 is an example of that.
Yeah, XBox360 comes with two drives... at the price of $598 for the premium one + HD-DVD (still no HDMI) or $678 ("Elite" HDMI version). Great!
Post by: itchy on April 25, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(thax @ Apr 24 2007, 04:31 PM)
If your life is only 10,000 hours then it would be a big deal.
The point being made is that with the x360 you get two drives which means about twice the drive life. The first thing to go on a heavily used console is the drive, the PS2 is an example of that.
10,000 hours, eh? Let's suppose you watched a 2 hour movie per day, and played your PS3 2 hours per day. 10,000 hrs life / 4 hours = 2500 days!
2500 days / 365 days in year = 6.8 years!
How much will blu ray players & a PS3 cost in 7 years? Heck PS4 may be out by then.
You still think this matters?
Post by: kronium on April 25, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(itchy @ Apr 25 2007, 05:49 PM)
By the time your laser burns out, PS3's will be under $200.
When have you known a laser to die on you on a player? Ususally the loading mechanism goes out well before the laser.
You still have a broken drive genius. That's the whole point.
QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Apr 25 2007, 01:08 PM)
Yeah, XBox360 comes with two drives... at the price of $598 for the premium one + HD-DVD (still no HDMI) or $678 ("Elite" HDMI version). Great!
Uhh, better redo your math. http://news.punchjum...cle.php?id=4099
Post by: xymor on April 25, 2007, 06:22:00 PM
QUOTE(kronium @ Apr 25 2007, 03:27 AM)
Does anyone do research anymore? Imation recently acquired TDK media. Imation supports HD DVD.
Akihibara news got it wrong. Is that hard to understand? Their translation of the chinese characters "Blu Ray" has been refuted to mean "blue laser". HD DVD uses a blue laser too.
The whole point is to spread the total usage over two drives. Movies on the add-on, games on the xbox.
That's why gizmondo and other published retractions and are now calling it a rumor.
http://gizmodo.com/g...-yet-255012.php
http://www.engadgeth...-hd-dvd-player/
Post by: Thraxen on April 25, 2007, 11:53:00 PM
QUOTE(kronium @ Apr 25 2007, 03:21 PM)
You still have a broken drive genius. That's the whole point.
You skipped his example about the hours. The point being that you would have to watch a lot of movie to really do much harm. I'd bet money that any given 360 will suffer the red ring of death before any given PS3 has its BR drive go out. You guys really don't want to go down this road. There may not be much in the way of software for the PS3, but so far it appears to be a far more solid machine than the 360. The BR drive possibly dying 6 years from now is far down the list of concerns.
Post by: epsilon72 on April 29, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(kronium @ Apr 25 2007, 01:50 PM)
Just so you know, that claim of $75 HD-DVD add-ons is totally bogus, as it was most likely due to a pricing error. HD-DVD add-on still retails for $199.99.
Post by: Mr Invader on April 29, 2007, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Apr 25 2007, 07:37 AM)
Yeah, XBox360 comes with two drives... at the price of $598 for the premium one + HD-DVD (still no HDMI) or $678 ("Elite" HDMI version). Great!
You forget there is still no clear winner of the HD movie format war. If Blu-ray fails, so will the PS3. If HD-DVD loses, then the 360 will most likely get a Blu-ray add on. In the mean time, the Video Marketplace is the safest and cheapest option to go with; also it requires no add on or outrageous price.
edit: If you like to compare prices, don't forget that the PS3 doesn't even have a HD cable with it. The HD cable in retail is $50 AT LEAST (more if HDMI cable). The 360 has all required cables in the box.
Post by: Chancer on April 30, 2007, 07:40:00 AM
QUOTE
The HD cable in retail is $50 AT LEAST (more if HDMI cable).
Bloody Hell!!
Where do you shop?
HDMI cable £2.95 from CHS. Equiv around $7
Post by: Mr Invader on April 30, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 30 2007, 09:16 AM)
Bloody Hell!!
Where do you shop?
HDMI cable £2.95 from CHS. Equiv around $7
I have no idea what CHS. Equiv is. But for major retailers (Best Buy, Circuit City, Radioshack, etc.) even through their online stores HDMI cables aren't cheap, the lowest i could find was $50. I know that HDMI cables are inexpensive on some online stores, but then again xbox 360s aren't always $400 through some online stores; best to compare evenly.
Post by: icemantaz on June 09, 2007, 11:20:00 AM