Post by: PS3Scene on June 21, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
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Post by: incognegro on June 21, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
'much the same'
Post by: BillMan on June 21, 2007, 10:41:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 22 2007, 03:06 AM) 
Still dont understand why ppl think there is some huge graphic potential in the ps3 thats gonna smoke evrything on the market. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
'much the same'
The reason is because of the user, the user designs graphics to be that high of quality. You got to remember, when a new system comes out, the graphics seem better, that is because they have certain levels for a game to be designed for.
The ps3 can handle nwe graphics like a new console coming out, jsut that people dont design them to be to the fullest potential. So better graphics do exist with the playstation 3, just that we need the developers to actually take the time to do so.
But, in time, this will kick ass once more games are created.
Just wait for the new Final Fantasy. That will be the ultimate.
Post by: incognegro on June 22, 2007, 04:36:00 AM
QUOTE(BillMan @ Jun 22 2007, 05:41 AM) 
The reason is because of the user, the user designs graphics to be that high of quality. You got to remember, when a new system comes out, the graphics seem better, that is because they have certain levels for a game to be designed for.
The ps3 can handle nwe graphics like a new console coming out, jsut that people dont design them to be to the fullest potential. So better graphics do exist with the playstation 3, just that we need the developers to actually take the time to do so.
But, in time, this will kick ass once more games are created.
Just wait for the new Final Fantasy. That will be the ultimate.
right....whatever u say, man. I kinda know a thing or two about the hardware in the systems and i can tell u that grafix should be "much the same". All the ps3 has going for it is a faster cpu and that alone will never make the grafix seem any much better than the 360. That "because its new it must be better" explanation makles know sense. Both systems aren't at there full potential, better grafix exists in both consoles.
Post by: Aerok on June 22, 2007, 09:23:00 AM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 22 2007, 12:12 PM)
right....whatever u say, man. I kinda know a thing or two about the hardware in the systems and i can tell u that grafix should be "much the same". All the ps3 has going for it is a faster cpu and that alone will never make the grafix seem any much better than the 360. That "because its new it must be better" explanation makles know sense. Both systems aren't at there full potential, better grafix exists in both consoles.
Maybe knowing how to spell might encourage us to think you know a thing or two about hardware.
Reading your signature, it's obvious you are biased... Just admit it, you're purely a xbox fanboy.
This post has been edited by Aerok: Jun 22 2007, 04:24 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 22, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
There are consoles in every generation that never got the opportunity to live up to their potential. Sometimes because they were just too difficult to program for that they never reached that level, other times because developer support was so weak they never put in the effort, and sometimes it just took so damn long to progress it that the console was canceled before it even got a chance to shine.
Anyone making bold claims about non-existent graphics in the future, like it's some kind of unequivocal truth, is worthy of the fanboy label.
Comparing games out today is one thing... SPECULATING based on past performance and data sheets is another... laying absolute claim with nothing concrete to back you up is just overzealous flag-waving.
Post by: BillMan on June 22, 2007, 07:25:00 PM
The blueray player is the only thing that is keeping the PS3 alive I agree.
And the potential for True HD games exist on the PS3.
So that is another reason why it is harder to program for, So the games dont have to be upscalled to HD.
or no quality cut back and etc.
It will ge tthier but time will have to wait to shine
Post by: Sweeet on June 23, 2007, 08:17:00 PM
So even though the 360 preforms better as a 'standard' gpu, that means nothing once the ps3 gets the ball rolling.
And this has been confirmed by many game developers, one even in this forum.
Post by: Molten Universe on June 24, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
The PS3 may have seven cores and a cell or whatever etc...
If you can't figure out what to do with all those things, you can never live up to what its' "potential" is.
It's like going to see what you think is gonna be a real good movie, great cast of critcally acclaimed actors etc.. and then you walk out saying that it was shit for many reasons.
Remember kiddies, more isn't always better.
The End.
This post has been edited by Molten Universe: Jun 24 2007, 10:02 AM
Post by: Sweeet on June 24, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Molten Universe @ Jun 24 2007, 10:01 AM)
Mmm as someone said above, the whole better cuz it's newer thing is bullshit.
The PS3 may have seven cores and a cell or whatever etc...
If you can't figure out what to do with all those things, you can never live up to what its' "potential" is.
It's like going to see what you think is gonna be a real good movie, great cast of critcally acclaimed actors etc.. and then you walk out saying that it was shit for many reasons.
Remember kiddies, more isn't always better.
The End.
And when Steven Spielberg started making movies did he churn out Hollywood blockbusters from the get-go? No, he had potential and he realised it.
While yes there's a big difference between realising potential and providing results, in this case those results can only get better and better. Where-as the 360 is fast approaching its best.
It doesn’t matter how much practise you undertake, if you’re only 4ft tall, you’re never going to make that 8ft high-jump. And the PS3 is feet ahead of the rest, just needs a little practise with its new found growth.
I'm not a fanboy, just a realist who would like to see the PS3 grow to its true potential. But some people would see fit to kick it before it's had a chance to get off the ground. Remember we're not dealing with a piece of hardware based on an end-user pc in which they've been programming games for decades. We're dealing with a highly powerful sophisticated piece of modern technology.
Some would argue too sophisticated. And while that may hold true now as sophistication costs game developers time and money. As our understanding of this technology greatens so will the greatness of the games developers produce.
Does the PS3 have enough time to shine? Well if I knew the answers to questions like that I’d be feckin' loaded! Alas I’m not
Post by: throwingks on June 24, 2007, 04:56:00 PM
It doesn't matter how much time you take. The difference is not enough, neither are gonna make that 8 foot high jump.
The difference in potential graphics between the 2 is so small, and with the quality of today's graphics already, is any of this relevant to determining which is the better console? No. Games make the console, not specs nor potential.
This post has been edited by throwingks: Jun 25 2007, 12:04 AM
Post by: Sweeet on June 24, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
You're right though, game-play is king.
Post by: throwingks on June 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
Graphics can be the icing on the cake, but noone wants a cake made entirely of icing.
I claim that, I just made that up right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
This post has been edited by throwingks: Jun 25 2007, 12:41 AM
Post by: Sweeet on June 24, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: thax on June 25, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
Even if the PS3 is more powerful, it will only be used to make porting easier.
Most of the games will look almost identical. This isn't like the last generation where you could look at a screenshot in a magazine and be able to tell if it was PS2 or xbox. This point is hammered home when Sony and affiliates are accidently using x360 screenshots as PS3 screenshots.
Post by: Sweeet on June 25, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
QUOTE(thax @ Jun 25 2007, 05:43 PM)
One thing that we don't need to speculate on is that it is cheaper and easier for a cross platform developer to use the same assets for both systems.
Even if the PS3 is more powerful, it will only be used to make porting easier.
Most of the games will look almost identical. This isn't like the last generation where you could look at a screenshot in a magazine and be able to tell if it was PS2 or xbox. This point is hammered home when Sony and affiliates are accidently using x360 screenshots as PS3 screenshots.
The last paragraph I agree with whole heartedly, but the first couple, really make no sense at all.
1) Speculate? So designing a game from scratch for the 360 and then having to design it from the ground up for the PS3 to utilize its extra power, isn't going to be more expensive? Who are you trying to kid...
2) How does the PS3 being more powerful make for easier porting? The architectures are completely different.
It has been said that porting from the PS3 will be easier than porting from the 360, but it really sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about at all with those first two statements.
Post by: d-range on June 27, 2007, 06:31:00 AM
This also explains why 360 games already look great: enhancing graphics by using better textures, lighting, etc. is relatively easy, PC games have been there for years. But enhancing graphics by using better animations/physics/more NPC's/etc actually takes programming effort. Eventually I think PS3 games will look better than 360 games, but it will take a while. Just compare 1st-gen PS2 titles to the latest PS2 games. The early games look like late PSX games, while the late games look like early PS3 ones.