Post by: redwolf on August 22, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
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PlayStation 3 launch title Resistance: Fall of Man will reportedly take a staggering 22 gigabytes of storage space using the PS3's Blu-ray disc format.
(...)
Other key details from the article:
* motion-sensing functions will allow you to rifle butt aliens by jabbing out one side of the PS3 controller
* Sony claims that the online experience will exceed Xbox Live titles
* 40-player online games, with some form of ranking system
(...)
Other key details from the article:
* motion-sensing functions will allow you to rifle butt aliens by jabbing out one side of the PS3 controller
* Sony claims that the online experience will exceed Xbox Live titles
* 40-player online games, with some form of ranking system
http://www.gametrail...ews.php?id=3539
Post by: KAGE360 on August 22, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 22, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on August 22, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
requiring tons of space != great game
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 22, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE(gcskate27 @ Aug 22 2006, 10:47 PM) 
and youre not a dev either... how big was fear or any other recent comp title? 5 gigs tops?
requiring tons of space != great game
no one ever said that, nor did I claim to know. But what I said was pure common sense.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 22, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Mojiba @ Aug 22 2006, 11:04 PM)
I was wandering if it could be 22gb exclusively of well developed game content, but, when they say something like "We're going to fit more on a Blu-Ray disc than you could on an HD DVD", well, I think it's clear that's not the case since they are concerned about something that's not necessarily their game.
Well, if theyre cramming 22gb of game content of course theyre gonna say they fit more than they could on a HDDVD considering that HDDVD is only 15gb. I want to see especially what kind of game content and extras they got on this thing. I never played their Ratchet and Clank titles, but from what I hear they're above average quality games. I'm more excited with Resistance as it's looking great, and the game premise appeals to me.
Post by: lex_luther23 on August 22, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
All for show thats all it is to make it look like the blueray is needed.
Post by: Mojiba on August 22, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
QUOTE(lex_luther23 @ Aug 22 2006, 11:16 PM)
All for show thats all it is to make it look like the blueray is needed.
And it is =) I'm not sure about it, but I think developers have no other choice, PS3 games will exclusively come in BR discs, they must find a way to fill them =) It'll be fun to see some time in the future, when people start to "back up" his games, to take a 22gb game and burn it in a DVD5 just compressing video and getting out trailers =)
Post by: yourM0M on August 22, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: hamwbone on August 22, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: Mr Invader on August 22, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 22 2006, 05:15 PM)
Well, if theyre cramming 22gb of game content of course theyre gonna say they fit more than they could on a HDDVD considering that HDDVD is only 15gb. I want to see especially what kind of game content and extras they got on this thing. I never played their Ratchet and Clank titles, but from what I hear they're above average quality games. I'm more excited with Resistance as it's looking great, and the game premise appeals to me.
wrong about only 15gb of info on an hd-dvd. It's 15gb of information per layer. HD-DVDs can have multiple layers with 3 layers being the highest out in the market right now. thats 45gb of info. Single layer bul-rays are out on the market right now with 25gb. Many dual layer blu-rays are testing right now but thanks to such a high defect rate on single and double layer blu-rays, they are likely to not come out for some while.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 12:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Aug 23 2006, 03:22 AM)
wrong about only 15gb of info on an hd-dvd. It's 15gb of information per layer. HD-DVDs can have multiple layers with 3 layers being the highest out in the market right now. thats 45gb of info. Single layer bul-rays are out on the market right now with 25gb. Many dual layer blu-rays are testing right now but thanks to such a high defect rate on single and double layer blu-rays, they are likely to not come out for some while.
Seems like all you're doing is trying to prove somebody wrong, in which I wasnt. Because a standard HDDVD disk is 15 gb like I said it was. A multi-layer disk isn't up for debate here. No one even mentioned a dual layer disk. The point is, they were comparing this (their single layer blu-ray) to 15gb single layer HDDVD disk and you missed that point.
It also seems like everytime Blu-Ray is mentioned, you want to jump on HDDVD camp and start claiming dual-layer over Blu-Ray's single layer. As does other people on the HDDVD camp. Doesn't seem too fair does it. And the difference in space is huge when you hear the fact that single layer vs single layer, Blu-Ray is bigger. Thats a FACT.
When you're debating in a Video-game topic, you don't use multiple-layers as a serious factor in your argument because you have to consider the possibility that the disks won't perform up to consumer standards on their console much like the PS2 with DVD9. If you notice, both consoles that utilized DVD9 tried to stay away from it as much as possible. Use only on a "when needed" basis. Consider such games, such as MGS2 substance, switching over to normal dvd for MGS3 Subsistence. Xenosaga II being DVD5 and III as well and those games were multi-dvd.
In the Xbox 360 though, dvd9 is crucial to development, so the drives were assured quality that dvd9 can be consistently ran on all consoles. And besides, standard dvd drives are built so well that we wouldn't get Sony's low quality dvd drives of the past. We're basically getting quality dvd readers used on PCs today.
Post by: incognegro on August 23, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
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When you're debating in a Video-game topic, you don't use multiple-layers as a serious factor in your argument because you have to consider the possibility that the disks won't perform up to consumer standards on their console much like the PS2 with DVD9. If you notice, both consoles that utilized DVD9 tried to stay away from it as much as possible. Use only on a "when needed" basis. Consider such games, such as MGS2 substance, switching over to normal dvd for MGS3 Subsistence. Xenosaga II being DVD5 and III as well and those games were multi-dvd.
Now that was a really stupid statement to make....Now The Ps2 had problems with dual layer dvds cause it wasn't built with those discs in mind (man the drives sucked). The Xbox on the other hand was built from the ground up to use dual layer dvds. No one was 'afraid' to use DVD9 on the xbox, They just couldn't fill the fucking the dvd. Hideo Kojima made sure he used the oppurtunity use dvd9 when he was making MGS on the xbox cause that was one of its strengths. Only a few were DVD9 cause only a few could fill them. Im just saying that your statement about both systems is way inaccurate.
Post by: KAGE360 on August 23, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 22 2006, 05:42 PM)
dude you're not even a developer so stfu. All you're doing is trying to rile up and downplay these companies that know 10x better than you do. You know exactly who youre downplaying? These guys are Insomniac games, they're a well known and respected developer. I trust they know wtf they're doing.
i really hope you get banned from here. yes i am not a developer but i do know what im talking about. there is no reason for a game like that to take up so much space, none at all, and that is a fact.
also with him taking jabs at HD-DVD raises questions. why would a dev bother commenting on the next gen format war? could be that sony plays a hand in what they do/say as they do work for sony. this could be a marketing move to try and prove a useless point because i know for a fact that the game would fit on a DVD-9 when in compressed form. also its a fact, and it has been stated by our developer member here, that compression will improve game performance and load times.
also....
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If you notice, both consoles that utilized DVD9 tried to stay away from it as much as possible.
again, you know not of what you speak of. EVERY xbox game was pressed on DVD-9 regardless if it filled even half of the disk which i dont think any did as the largest games hovered around 3gigs.
seriously why do you insist on being such an ass? you jump on my back and in the process make yourself out to be more ignorant and idiotic then before.
keep it up buddy and we'll see who is right
Post by: Sc4rfac3 on August 23, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
bottom line
game takes up that much space and i'm still not impressed
Post by: incognegro on August 23, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
I mean 22 gigs should assure me of near endless gameplay and it would be a crime to expect less!...lol
Post by: KAGE360 on August 23, 2006, 11:41:00 AM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 23 2006, 12:23 PM)
Im telling u...if I dont get 120 hours of gameplay out of this game then im gonna sue!
I mean 22 gigs should assure me of near endless gameplay and it would be a crime to expect less!...lol
game data size has NOTHING to do with game length. morrowind was one the largest games last generationg but was under a gig in size (600mb-800mb in size i believe)
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
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i really hope you get banned from here.
for what? defending ps3 on a ps3 board? being excited that the next ps product is coming? shows how juvenile you are in these arguments.
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yes i am not a developer
read that, then read this, and make the connection.
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but i do know what im talking about.
No you don't know. Because the 1st statement defeats your 2nd. You can't "know" wtf you're talking about on these topics unless you have said degree or employment history in the industry. You can either, theorize and wait for results like many other people, or act completely dumb as you are now. You make the choice.
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again, you know not of what you speak of. EVERY xbox game was pressed on DVD-9 regardless if it filled even half of the disk which i dont think any did as the largest games hovered around 3gigs.
FALSE! Oh my god that is so FALSE on so many levels its retardedly false. Halo 2 was just above over dvd5! HA shows what you know. Look at MGS2 Subsistence, thats DVD9 space wise. Claiming that the largest games are around 3 gbs? 4.37 and somewhere near 5 for Halo 2 is NOT around 3. 1gb to 2gb is a huge jump.
every game being pressed for dvd9 sounds like a nightmare production run in the presses, and moreso for its cost. I doubt that's true, but I'll give you a chance to prove your case as honestly I'm not sure.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
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How can you say "false", and then say "honestly I'm not sure".
you got it ass backwards. I claimed his comment about games taking no less than 3gb false. But wasnt sure about dvd9 media being pressed for all games. They're completely different, if notice.
Post by: KAGE360 on August 23, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 23 2006, 02:44 PM)
ok I don't think I need to make known how stupid kage360's reasoning and arguments are, but I'll do it anyways.
for what? defending ps3 on a ps3 board? being excited that the next ps product is coming? shows how juvenile you are in these arguments.
read that, then read this, and make the connection.
No you don't know. Because the 1st statement defeats your 2nd. You can't "know" wtf you're talking about on these topics unless you have said degree or employment history in the industry. You can either, theorize and wait for results like many other people, or act completely dumb as you are now. You make the choice.
FALSE! Oh my god that is so FALSE on so many levels its retardedly false. Halo 2 was just above over dvd5! HA shows what you know. Look at MGS2 Subsistence, thats DVD9 space wise. Claiming that the largest games are around 3 gbs? 4.37 and somewhere near 5 for Halo 2 is NOT around 3. 1gb to 2gb is a huge jump.
every game being pressed for dvd9 sounds like a nightmare production run in the presses, and moreso for its cost. I doubt that's true, but I'll give you a chance to prove your case as honestly I'm not sure.
-no i hope you get banned for tolling and just being an all around ass. you seem to jump to the chance to try and dismiss anything i say just because you cant understand/agree with it. its getting old and annoying
-you dont have to be a developer to know what your talking about. there are many people here who know about game development, but we have only one developer who visits these forums. if you dont believe me ask him, im sure if he isnt busy he will tell you to shut your mouth as well. i know enough about game development that a game like resistence has to be uncompressed to take up that much space. if you are stating that i am acting dumb in this instance then you insult others as well, because if you would actually read around i do believe the majority (if not all) of the others agree with me.
-ahh yes that is very true that halo 2 is around 5 gigs, my mistake, i forgot one. however MGS substance does not fill a DVD 9 (the real size is somewhere on this forum, just look) and just because most games do not reach half of the DVD 9, my MAIN point still stands. all xbox games were pressed on DVD-9 disks.
again you miss my MAIN point refering to your comment that both companies tried to stay away from DVD9 which isnt the case. if i am so wrong how is it that the others see my points but you are oblivios to them?
Post by: incognegro on August 23, 2006, 12:57:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Aug 23 2006, 06:48 PM)
game data size has NOTHING to do with game length. morrowind was one the largest games last generationg but was under a gig in size (600mb-800mb in size i believe)
I know that dude, but what I was saying is that since sony claims that blu ray is 'needed' for next gen gaming then they must be referring to adding so much of that 'small' game data that it filled a whole blu ray (which will never happen, that was the joke!). So what im saying is if the game is 22 gigs then if I dont see 22 gigs of gameplay then they are ripping me off!
In other words, If the game is 22 gigs then then that would make the game almost 26 times the size of morrowind for the last gen. So lets say it took you 60 hours to finish morrowind then im expecting this game to be 26 x 60 = 1560 hours of gameplay or else im suing!
Thanx for ruining my joke
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 12:59:00 PM
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-no i hope you get banned for tolling and just being an all around ass. you seem to jump to the chance to try and dismiss anything i say just because you cant understand/agree with it. its getting old and annoying
I am using the fact that you can't produce links. I can understand something perfectly fine...............provided that you show me some credible source. Because for all I know, you could be making stuff up to bolster your own argument. It's perfectly reasonable for me. I can agree when there's something to agree about, which there hasn't been.
I focus mainly on disputing holes in your argument, rather than the argument itself. Which is why you think I'm an ass. I don't HAVE to prove myself right, I just prove that you're talking out of your ass and that's the end of it.
Post by: KAGE360 on August 23, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 23 2006, 03:06 PM)
I am using the fact that you can't produce links. I can understand something perfectly fine...............provided that you show me some credible source. Because for all I know, you could be making stuff up to bolster your own argument. It's perfectly reasonable for me. I can agree when there's something to agree about, which there hasn't been.
I focus mainly on disputing holes in your argument, rather than the argument itself. Which is why you think I'm an ass. I don't HAVE to prove myself right, I just prove that you're talking out of your ass and that's the end of it.
i am not talking out of my ass, most of what i have stated is commen knowledge in the game industry. point out what you think i am pulling out of my ass and i will do my best to provide a link.
however IF i provide whatever said link, you better shut your fucking mouth regardless of source
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Aug 23 2006, 08:41 PM)
i am not talking out of my ass, most of what i have stated is commen knowledge in the game industry. point out what you think i am pulling out of my ass and i will do my best to provide a link.
however IF i provide whatever said link, you better shut your fucking mouth regardless of source
ah, thats where I won't bite. Because I want a credible source, because of the level of heat that these arguments are generating. I posted the links I posted because it would prove to be a good read regardless of if you took it serious or not. There's at least something to be had from whatever article. At least I posted an article.
Post by: KAGE360 on August 23, 2006, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 23 2006, 03:58 PM)
ah, thats where I won't bite. Because I want a credible source, because of the level of heat that these arguments are generating. I posted the links I posted because it would prove to be a good read regardless of if you took it serious or not. There's at least something to be had from whatever article. At least I posted an article.
if i wasnt at work you wouldnt have shit to say by now, and i posted links in the other thread. now about you just staying out of matters you know nothing of ok?
besides you wont admit your wrong regardless. i have stated MANY facts (every xbox game being on DVD9 for example) with no recognition, you are beyond impossible.
but like i said regardless of where you learn it, you will see that i am not full of shit
Post by: Sc4rfac3 on August 23, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
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besides you wont admit your wrong regardless. i have stated MANY facts (every xbox game being on DVD9 for example) with no recognition, you are beyond impossible.
So true.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
In the end? How am I full of shit? What? That I wanted to be proven wrong instead of being forced by someones unproven and possibly a best guess? Shit what the fuck do you take me for, a mindless drone?
and btw, I won't admit I'm wrong because I'm not arguing my subjects I'm arguing yours. I'm not up for being wrong here, you (those that are debating) are. and I'm asking to prove, and thus far produced nearly zero, to shit results. I'm using your own faults if you didn't notice and spitting it right back at you, and you can't answer your own question. Shame.
Post by: Reaper527 on August 23, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 23 2006, 04:36 PM)
ah, but you ARE full of shit because you FAIL to inform those that don't know. Forcing somebody to take your word for it instead of proving it like a real man. Ok so I still don't know that every Xbox dvd is a dvd9,
well now you do
http://contracts.one...000.12.14.shtml
the MS contract for developers
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1.5 "Finished Product Unit" shall mean a DVD-9 copy, in software object
code only, of a Software Title, in whole or in part.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Aug 24 2006, 01:43 AM)
Good! Finally somebody that says something with validity behind their arguments around here.
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 24, 2006, 03:00:00 AM
Post by: KAGE360 on August 24, 2006, 03:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 23 2006, 11:41 PM)
Good! Finally somebody that says something with validity behind their arguments around here.
i think the point he is trying to prove is that there is truth to what i am saying regardless of my ability to provide links.
just look at the two threads we have been debating. you are the minority in both with people agreeing with me for good reason.
Post by: incognegro on August 24, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
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kage360 is correct about m_hael (the dev he is referring to that works for activision) saying that dvd-9 is enough for next-gen gaming (due to compression tech, that would actually decrease load times), and that the only reason for more would be due to excessive FMV or sloppy programming. If the search function worked even half ass on this site i'd be able to find his exact quote
Yes procedural synthesis is gonna be shit!
Check out ROBO BLITZ to see it in action
IGN Preview
Press Release PDF
Its made by Naked Sky and they made Metal Arms for last gen (which was a wonderful game by the way)
I must also point out that xbox live arcade titles have to be about 50mb in order to pass MS' qualifications. So its remarkable that such a game can make that mark.
Now if if they used this instead of regular methods to develop resistance: fall of man then I wouldn't have to pay $70+ to play 5-8 hours of gameplay
Its not the size that matters...
Post by: twistedsymphony on August 24, 2006, 09:21:00 AM
The level of ignorant arguments and personal attacks here has to stop or the thread WILL be closed.
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For the Record There are only 3 games on the Xbox console that actually REQUIRE the 2nd layer, however all Xbox games are pressed on DVD-9 discs. SOME games spill over on to the 2nd layer but the data there is usually unnecessary stuff such as foreign language sub titles, foreign language videos, demos and videos for other games on the console, etc. Which could easily have those things stripped out without effecting the game as you play it one iota.
Ninja Gaiden for example takes up over 5GB normally however all of the FMV is on the disc twice, once in Japanese and once in English. The Japanese videos are actually impossible to ever view in the US version of the game so they're essentially useless. Stripping out the Japanese video doesn't effect a damn thing and the game instantly drops down to just under 3GB... if you stripped out the english FMV as well (so perhapse the cut scenes could be done with the game engine instead) the game would come pretty close to fitting on a CD.
The few games that actually REQIRED the 2nd layer were:
1. Jade Empire - Because the game is massive and used a whole lot of audio. Even still it barely spilled over on to the 2nd layer and with a bit of compress on the part of the developers it probably could have fit on 1 layer.
2. Rallysport Challange 2 - Again because the game is massive, much like Jade Empire it also barely spills over on to the 2nd layer and could have fit on a single layer if the developers spent more time with compression.
3. Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance - The "Substance" version of MGS2 on the PS2 included a 2nd disc with behind the scenes videos, bonus levels, and a whole lot of other Fluf to warrant a re-release on the PS2. This is the ONLY version availble on the Xbox and rather then split the special features off on to their own DVD They decided to put both discs on a single DVD-9. It fills almost the whole DVD-9 because of it. If you could split the game out (and there are some people who have) it comes in WELL under the DVD-5 limit. This is a difficult task however because they compiled all fo the data into a single giant file on the disc that requires a hefty amount of hand crafting to split apart.
To my knowledge (unless anything has come out recently that changes this) those are the ONLY 3 games that actually require a 2nd DVD layer, everything else can fit without problem on a 4.7GB DVD-9 and most take up considerably less space then that, some even fitting on a CD without FMV.
If you're interested in more info on game deletions you can find it here: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=140537
I don't think I need to provide a source for this info because I AM A SOURCE, I've backed up each of the above games personally and I'm familar with how much space the take up what they fit on and what they don't fit on.
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As for my personal opinion. I'm not a game developer, I am however a software developer and one who develops 3D applications. My company manufactures aerospace parts and I write the software the the engineers use to design those parts.
My software including fully detailed CAD drawings, Solid 3D models, and part data (that when printed averages between 20 and 30 pages) for every part we've made over the last 8 years (about 16000 total) only takes up about 6GB of space... THATS IT.
22GB is a monstrosity and in my Opinion even the worst code in the world wouldn't take up that much space. The ONLY way I could see anyone filling up that much space is with Video files... Video is easily the biggest space hog, followed distantly by Audio... followed far far distantly by everything else.
If compressed appropriatly 22GB it's probably about 6 hours of HD video about 30 days worth of solid unique audio and I can't even fathom what anyone could possibly write in code, or create in 3D models, or textures that would take up that much space. You would need an army of programers and artists the size of all of MS working for years to make that much content. But 6 hours of video could easily be done by a few artists in a relativly short amount of time.
If the game really does take up 22GB most of it will probably be unplayable video that you just sit back and watch.
... Speaking from experience that is.
Post by: ikecomp on August 24, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: yourM0M on August 26, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
QUOTE(ikecomp @ Aug 24 2006, 09:01 PM)
IE, madden 07 for PS3 better be one orgasmic graphical experience compared to the 360 version or there was no need for it to be put on blu-ray.
it wont be EA has already confirmed that they are just porting 360 titles to the ps3...but i gurantee $ony states that blu-ray was necesarry for some EA title that comes out.....because it has 30 HD videos of other EA titles lmao
edit: after reading into some of this whole dvd9 arguement i came across the .kkrieger game, im wondering how long the actual game is but anyways the screenshots look just as good as this 22gb game minus the HUD(okay not just as good but it's 96k and Res. is 22gb)
http://produkkt.abra...ien.de/kkrieger
Post by: Mr Invader on August 26, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(ikecomp @ Aug 24 2006, 03:01 PM)
When developers make statements like what insomiac said they sound so full of it. Bottom line is that to justify the use of blu-ray, the PS3 version of games better look and sound at least 3 times better than their xbox 360 counterpart since a typical backed up game on 360 is a little over 7 gigs. IE, madden 07 for PS3 better be one orgasmic graphical experience compared to the 360 version or there was no need for it to be put on blu-ray.
Yeah i've seen madden 07 for xbox 360 on some small-medium hdtvs and i wasn't impressed with the low quality video feed.
But earlier today i saw it being played on a Samsung 61" LCD HDTV and it was amazing! And it WAS a truly orgasmic graphical experience
i dont know why but everything looks better on a big TV
Post by: DragoNs on August 26, 2006, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Aug 26 2006, 03:12 PM)
Yeah i've seen madden 07 for xbox 360 on some small-medium hdtvs and i wasn't impressed with the low quality video feed.
But earlier today i saw it being played on a Samsung 61" LCD HDTV and it was amazing! And it WAS a truly orgasmic graphical experience
i dont know why but everything looks better on a big TV
Pretty much all 360 games ive seen are like that, my friend owns a 26 Samsung LCD TV, and i own a 42 inch Sony LCD RPTV, and the quality on the 42 inch is ALOT better, same deal with my friend who has a 20 inch sharp aquios
Post by: Mr Invader on August 26, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(DragoNs @ Aug 26 2006, 05:00 PM)
Pretty much all 360 games ive seen are like that, my friend owns a 26 Samsung LCD TV, and i own a 42 inch Sony LCD RPTV, and the quality on the 42 inch is ALOT better, same deal with my friend who has a 20 inch sharp aquios
I guess since your so close to the small tvs you can see the lines and the figures better, kinda like making a small picture into a large one.
I hope this isn't going to happen to me using the 19" widescreen pc monitor i'm saving up for
Post by: DragoNs on August 26, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Aug 26 2006, 06:40 PM)
I guess since your so close to the small tvs you can see the lines and the figures better, kinda like making a small picture into a large one.
I hope this isn't going to happen to me using the 19" widescreen pc monitor i'm saving up for
I have to say LCD Moniters that are designed with no Tuner for a PC seem to look alot nicer then LCD TV's that ive seen, i dunno if anyone else has noticed that.
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 27, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
QUOTE(DragoNs @ Aug 26 2006, 05:16 PM)
I have to say LCD Moniters that are designed with no Tuner for a PC seem to look alot nicer then LCD TV's that ive seen, i dunno if anyone else has noticed that.
I agree. LCD monitors look better (produces a better image) then LCD HDTV (ones that come with tuners).
Post by: Mr Invader on August 28, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
QUOTE(kizmet @ Aug 28 2006, 02:26 PM)
Isnt there some restrictions on space like every game only being around 6 gigs because of the security placeholders and such? i think i remeber reading something about that.
uh obviously not
and all PS3 games will have over 6 gigs, i'm not a developer but this is common sense considering how much information that the 1080p cutscenes will take up + gameplay + what other little goodies will be on the game
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 28, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Aug 28 2006, 03:42 PM)
uh obviously not
and all PS3 games will have over 6 gigs, i'm not a developer but this is common sense considering how much information that the 1080p cutscenes will take up + gameplay + what other little goodies will be on the game
You mean sloppy programming, no compression, and heavy use of high res FMV. The actual games graphics, textures and gameplay takes up very little space.
Post by: incognegro on September 05, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
In fact the original Xbox only allowed the devs about 6 gigs to work with because of these placeholders. I think the 360 employs something similar to this but I could be wrong. The ps3 may or may not do this depending on sony's confidence in the blu ray being hard to copy.
Post by: Mr Invader on September 05, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Sep 5 2006, 05:12 PM)
^^^^ your correct sir.
In fact the original Xbox only allowed the devs about 6 gigs to work with because of these placeholders. I think the 360 employs something similar to this but I could be wrong. The ps3 may or may not do this depending on sony's confidence in the blu ray being hard to copy.
so if you're right about the 360 discs, then there will only be 6 gigs (possibly 7.5. i heard this from a different topic) Is that smart for microsoft to place restrictions on their discs like that and could these restrictions be later removed from the discs for bigger games?
6 gig just seems a bit small for the entire generation of xbox 360 games
Post by: Kira Yamoto on September 05, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr Invader @ Sep 5 2006, 11:37 PM)
so if you're right about the 360 discs, then there will only be 6 gigs (possibly 7.5. i heard this from a different topic) Is that smart for microsoft to place restrictions on their discs like that and could these restrictions be later removed from the discs for bigger games?
6 gig just seems a bit small for the entire generation of xbox 360 games
It's smart *on paper* But in the end, hackers still hacked it and are able to play pirated DL's now anyways.
Post by: incognegro on September 06, 2006, 06:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 5 2006, 11:45 PM)
It's smart *on paper* But in the end, hackers still hacked it and are able to play pirated DL's now anyways.
As with all copy protection methods...
Post by: Mr Invader on September 10, 2006, 06:31:00 PM
How are demo discs on the PS3 gonna work out?
blu-ray demo discs aren't a good idea with such high production costs. So perhaps all demos will have to be downloadable. That still isn't good considering how long it will take for demos to download.
Demos are important for game sales. Good move Sony....
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 11, 2006, 01:52:00 AM
Post by: incognegro on September 11, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 13, 2006, 02:52:00 AM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Sep 11 2006, 08:02 AM)
They're gonna use blu ray for demos. I guarantee sony's crazy ass would. As for downloadable demos, thats a really good point.
No doubt. Why the hell stop now.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on September 13, 2006, 03:32:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on September 13, 2006, 05:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 13 2006, 03:39 AM)
Sony said they were going to match Live's features, feature for feature.....
Which amounts to nothing (sony's word).
Post by: Mr Invader on September 13, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 13 2006, 06:36 AM)
Which amounts to nothing (sony's word).
They wont be able to match it, especially since Xbox live already has the support of over 3 million people and has been around since 2002.
Sony has alot of catching up to do.
Post by: KAGE360 on September 15, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 13 2006, 07:36 AM)
Which amounts to nothing (sony's word).
if their service really matched sony's feature for feature then why does untold legend need X-fire and all of its features??
trying to prove something through sony's word is the most pointless move anyone can make in a debate.
Post by: epsilon72 on September 16, 2006, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Sep 13 2006, 04:36 AM)
Which amounts to nothing (sony's word).
Indeed. If Sony was Pinocchio, it's nose would've grown to encompass the whole earth...twice.