Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 17, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
Launch
F.E.A.R
Angels Blaze
Armored Core 4 (JP)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Confirmed
The Outsider
Mobile Suit Gundam: Target In Sight
NBA Live 07
Madden NFL 07
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Formula One 06
Unreal Tournament 2007
Splinter Cell Double Agent
Elveon
Spider-Man 3
Haze
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brother's In Arms: Hells Highway
Golden Axe
The Darkness
Rainbow Six Vegas
Alone In the Dark
Stranglehold
Eight Days
BioShock
Scarface: The World is Yours
Lair
The Eye of Judgement
Afrika
Coded Arms: Assault
Resident Evil 5
Genji 2
Half Life 2
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid 4
Soul Calibur 4
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Warhawk
Grand Theft Auto IV
Monster Hunter
Fatal Inertia
Heavenly Sword
Need For Speed Carbon
Call of Duty III
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Sonic
Theseis
Colin McRae Rally
Full Auto 2
Assassin's Creed
Army of Two
Resistance: Fall of Man
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War
Virtua Tennis 3
Tekken 6
Ridge Racer 7
MotorStorm
Post by: incognegro on August 17, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
Um thesis isn't coming to ps3 and check this list for anymore inaccuracies.......cause im lazy
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 17, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: Sc4rfac3 on August 17, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
so i'm getting them for x360 only game i really really want for ps3 is mgs4
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 17, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on August 18, 2006, 06:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 18 2006, 12:25 AM) 
personally I'm even more excited now that I've seen the entire list and what's coming out for it. Soul Cali, Tekken and Gran Turismo, and MGS4 are a given for me, but I'm excited about UT2007, Half Life 2 and FEAR making it. I hear that you're supposed to be able to hook up a keyboard and mouse to the PS3 and use that as your control scheme. It's what I've always wanted in console FPS's and the main reason why I stay away from them due to lack of.
Then why play console fps's? I mean you can do that on the pc. Oh well I can't play with a keyboard and mouse because of this condition I have in my wrists (hell I use the on screen keyboard in windows to type!). Anyways I can hold my own against any fps player using kb+mouse. Im wicked with the controller!
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 18, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
512MB RAM
32MB Geforce 2 MX 200
thats why
Post by: Martinchris23 on August 19, 2006, 01:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 18 2006, 09:30 PM)
1.5ghz Athlon XP
512MB RAM
32MB Geforce 2 MX 200
thats why
And?
How much PC hardware could you buy for the cost of a PS3? Honestly, if you can only get along with a KB & Mouse when playing FPS, then stick with a PC. I wouldn't assume anything about using them for gameplay on the consoles.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 19, 2006, 08:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Aug 19 2006, 09:03 AM)
And?
How much PC hardware could you buy for the cost of a PS3? Honestly, if you can only get along with a KB & Mouse when playing FPS, then stick with a PC. I wouldn't assume anything about using them for gameplay on the consoles.
didn't you read my earlier post? I'm not all about the console FPS. In fact, it's not even on the higher priority list when I go shop for a game. But still I like UT2k7 and Half-Life and if its available on PS3 I'll get it for PS3. If it's on PC I won't. The only game I'm playing on PC at the moment is WoW anyways. What's the point in spending 600+ for a gaming PC when I can get a console that will offer me a more variety list of games that I know I'll enjoy (w/o having to worry about sys requirements and all that junk). The only other PC game I'm interested in is Battle for Middle Earth II and thats on 360.
I build my own PC's and if I don't go all out on them then I don't at all. Thats the way I am. That kind of system is going to cost even more than the PS3 considering I need all new parts, as this comp I'm posting from (my own) is a 600MHZ Pentium (2 or 3 i forgot) 8GB HD, 256MB Ram, Nvidia Vanta 8MB. The monitor I'm using also has faulty wires and discolors if its not in the right position. So not only I need a new system, I need a new monitor too and I plan on buying an HDtv to cover that. Besides, all I would be using it for, would be WoW, and videos. Those alone does not justify 1000+. I'd rather put a better video card on the Athlon just for WoW than get a whole new system. So you see, a PC is out of the question.
A PS3 on the other hand is only 600 bucks. I already have a 27" 480i capable tv and all I would need to buy are games.
Post by: Martinchris23 on August 19, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 19 2006, 03:55 PM)
didn't you read my earlier post? I'm not all about the console FPS. In fact, it's not even on the higher priority list when I go shop for a game. But still I like UT2k7 and Half-Life and if its available on PS3 I'll get it for PS3. If it's on PC I won't. The only game I'm playing on PC at the moment is WoW anyways. What's the point in spending 600+ for a gaming PC when I can get a console that will offer me a more variety list of games that I know I'll enjoy (w/o having to worry about sys requirements and all that junk). The only other PC game I'm interested in is Battle for Middle Earth II and thats on 360.
I build my own PC's and if I don't go all out on them then I don't at all. Thats the way I am. That kind of system is going to cost even more than the PS3 considering I need all new parts, as this comp I'm posting from (my own) is a 600MHZ Pentium (2 or 3 i forgot) 8GB HD, 256MB Ram, Nvidia Vanta 8MB. The monitor I'm using also has faulty wires and discolors if its not in the right position. So not only I need a new system, I need a new monitor too and I plan on buying an HDtv to cover that. Besides, all I would be using it for, would be WoW, and videos. Those alone does not justify 1000+. I'd rather put a better video card on the Athlon just for WoW than get a whole new system. So you see, a PC is out of the question.
A PS3 on the other hand is only 600 bucks. I already have a 27" 480i capable tv and all I would need to buy are games.
Well I used to build PCs too - I think you're over-quoting on costs somewhat. Either way, it looks more like you'd hold out for a PS3 anyway. I like the way you say it's 'only' 600 bucks. Personally, using the money on PC components would be better spent (taking that the PS3 is a huge gamble on Sony's side) but again that's your choice.
I would reiterate that expecting the games to support keyboard and mouse would not only be a tad foolish, but unrealistic. I didn't think I'd ever make the move from keyboard and mouse for FPSs, but was surprised as to how easy it really was. As for RPGs, Oblivion is far easier to control on the '360!
Post by: DragoNs on August 19, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 17 2006, 01:50 PM)
Cancelled Games
Um thesis isn't coming to ps3 and check this list for anymore inaccuracies.......cause im lazy
umm... didnt the company making Thesis come back and tell everyone that the rumors of it not coming out to PS3 was bullshit?
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 19, 2006, 11:54:00 PM
QUOTE
Well I used to build PCs too - I think you're over-quoting on costs somewhat.
No I'm not. As I said I need just the right parts if I'm gonna get one. No BS cheap parts that get outdated in a year or so. 300 for a monitor (LCD), about 200-300 for mobo+cpu, and 150-200 for a video card that wouldn't get outdated in a year, as well as 80 for RAM, and 30-50 for the case, oh, lets not forget that I need a whole new HDD as I am only running 8gb right now. I'd spend about 100 for whatevers out there, i'm pretty sure I can get at least 60 for that much. I'm pretty sick of updating, and then the parts would be terrible for the next year's games and so on until the performance is just so bad I have to put a new gfx card in and adding more ram.
http://www.pricewatc...mp;aid=11426258
http://www.newegg.co...;ATT=20-231-085
http://www.ewiz.com/...AT-P1900GT&c=pw
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148144
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824001081
and there you have it. Add in the case bought from a local electronics store, estimated around 50-70 (could be 30 from online, but eh)
QUOTE
I like the way you say it's 'only' 600 bucks. Personally, using the money on PC components would be better spent (taking that the PS3 is a huge gamble on Sony's side) but again that's your choice.
And you didn't read (how you missed this in such a small paragraph boggles the mind) that I only use PC's for World of Warcraft and watching videos. I know what you're thinking, the PC can do way more than a PS3 can. But as I said before, I only watch videos and play WoW on it, hardly worth the 1000+ when I can buy a PS3 that will last me 5 years. I don't see it as a huge gamble because PS1 and PS2 lasted about the same lifecycle.
Web browsing, media (that could be played back on a PS3, PS2 or Xbox) and WoW are not worth it spend 1000 when I can already do that with the other PC with only a minor upgrade in GFX card.
Post by: Martinchris23 on August 20, 2006, 03:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 07:01 AM)
I know what you're thinking, the PC can do way more than a PS3 can. But as I said before, I only watch videos and play WoW on it, hardly worth the 1000+ when I can buy a PS3 that will last me 5 years. I don't see it as a huge gamble because PS1 and PS2 lasted about the same lifecycle.
Web browsing, media (that could be played back on a PS3, PS2 or Xbox) and WoW are not worth it spend 1000 when I can already do that with the other PC with only a minor upgrade in GFX card.
How can you *not* see the PS3 as a gamble? Check the track record for Sonys' backed media: Betamax. UMD-Video. What if you throw the $600 into a PS3 and it doesn't do everything that Sony have 'promised'? (face it, their not exactly reliable on information). Furthermore, what if BluRay/BD-ROM fails to take off? Considering they haven't even started to build the units yet, what if it has massive heating issues?
You seem like an intelligent fellow, yet this doesn't seem a smart thing to do at all. Maybe you are one of the many who will just be buying a PS3 because it's a Sony.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 20, 2006, 06:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Aug 20 2006, 10:18 AM)
How can you *not* see the PS3 as a gamble? Check the track record for Sonys' backed media: Betamax. UMD-Video. What if you throw the $600 into a PS3 and it doesn't do everything that Sony have 'promised'? (face it, their not exactly reliable on information). Furthermore, what if BluRay/BD-ROM fails to take off? Considering they haven't even started to build the units yet, what if it has massive heating issues?
You seem like an intelligent fellow, yet this doesn't seem a smart thing to do at all. Maybe you are one of the many who will just be buying a PS3 because it's a Sony.
there's franchises on PS brand that aren't anywhere else.
Socom,
Gran Turismo
Tekken
Soul Cali
Final Fantasy (main series)
Devil May Cry
MGS
and many more....
true, I'm listing quite a bit, but I do in fact play those series.
I bought the GC back then when it was a gamble (on launch) and the year following (or was it the year after) it paid off big time when they released Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Starfox Adv, RE, RE-0 all within months of each other. With the franchises that Sony has under their belt, it will be the same scenario, but on a grander scale spanned over many more years.
I also bought the PSP and DS back when it was a huge gamble, and I ended up selling it. The problem now is, I know that those systems would eventually deliver, but I sold them anyways, which was a mistake. I know the PS3 will eventually deliver, so might as well invest in it now and stick with it.
Post by: Reaper527 on August 20, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
there's franchises on PS brand that aren't anywhere else.
Socom,
overrated, i'll take GRAW anyday
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
Gran Turismo
forza is just as good as GT.
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
Tekken
i personally prefer DOA to tekken, haven't really enjoyed the series since tekken 4
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
Soul Cali
http://xbox360.ign.c...739/739577.html
(and also don't forget that soul calibur 2 was on the xbox)
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
Final Fantasy (main series)
this is a 3rd party game, nothing is locking square to stay with the ps3 if the sales aren't that good.
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
Devil May Cry
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=539891
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:19 AM)
MGS
i'm pretty sure the dev's said it would be trivial to port MGS4 over to the 360.
Post by: incognegro on August 20, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
.Devil May Cry is not coming to 360 ppl so please stop the madness.
Im not gonna comment on FF cause ppl must know by now that I hate the series with a passion of christ!
Forza is not as good as Gran turismo...Its BETTER! please do not make this careless mistake again. GT is just more meat with less flavor.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 20, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
incog: actually you can juggle people to death in SC, DOA AND VF. It's just that Tekken's juggle system takes a lot more skill (to defend against, and for the offensive) that's all. Ever try Kazuya's EWGF, EWGF, ff+1, ff+1, ff+1, ff+1, DEWGF? Other than the ridiculously hard juggles, the only thing about Tekken 5 that pisses me off is that Steve is god-tier. He's literally the best character in the game, well, all that changed when they released Dark Resurrection and Steve is nerfed to all hell.
I played Ghost Recon btw, and I like the instant action mode, but I do NOT dig the main game whatsoever.
Forza isn't nearly as good as GT4 imo. GT4 imo is full blown racing sim with nearly 700 cars, 53 tracks, a whole bunch of races/tournaments, its mod/tuneup aspects are very indepth, it even has 1080i
Forza < GT4
Post by: DragoNs on August 21, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 10:31 PM)
Forza isn't nearly as good as GT4 imo. GT4 imo is full blown racing sim with nearly 700 cars, 53 tracks, a whole bunch of races/tournaments, its mod/tuneup aspects are very indepth, it even has 1080i
Forza < GT4Im going to agree with that, Forza is actually pretty terrible in comparison to GT3 or 4
And reaper, im surprized you would post those things, trying to take 360 over PS3, when your Avatar is a character from a PS exclusive game
Post by: incognegro on August 21, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
ANd tekkens juggles are quite easy to pull off, im sorry. I learned them in no time. I am aware that DOA has juggles and im not too good in VF so ill leave that alone. I don't particularly the find the juggles in doa as cheap. Your definitely not gonna get away with much trying to juggle me in DOA, thats for sure. I got this friend that is so good on the juggles in tekken , he lives on youtube(Im no slouch either) but as a result each match always boils down who starts juggling first. REAL DEEP
Made me lose interest in the game real fast.
Post by: Sc4rfac3 on August 21, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
i was so into gt when it first came out but now
i'm a forza fan and f2 is coming out soon.
tekken was good until 4 then i totally left the series
soul cali 3 is great that was the last ps2 game i bought
vf is most likely the best fighting series but i suck at it
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 21, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Aug 21 2006, 03:41 PM)
Ru serious!? GT better than forza? In what world!? certainly not earth. The physics and realism in forza's racing is way better than GT. Gt may have alot bells and whistles but the core gameplay doesn't compare im sorry, trust me I own both games. My uncles are racing nuts (they use to race alot professionally) and i get them to play GT anymore. GT is laughable now with us. Anyways to each's own.
ANd tekkens juggles are quite easy to pull off, im sorry. I learned them in no time. I am aware that DOA has juggles and im not too good in VF so ill leave that alone. I don't particularly the find the juggles in doa as cheap. Your definitely not gonna get away with much trying to juggle me in DOA, thats for sure. I got this friend that is so good on the juggles in tekken , he lives on youtube(Im no slouch either) but as a result each match always boils down who starts juggling first. REAL DEEP
Made me lose interest in the game real fast.
Yes, I'm serious. And about Tekken, watch some high level matches and lets see how easily they fall into a juggle. Not only you have to deal with the juggles but you have to deal with the enviornment and the mind-games too. High-level gameplay is completely different, and thats a FACT. Any scrub can do a juggle, but playing at and against an expert level player isnt. Check out www.tekkencentral.com and www.tekkenzaibatsu.com and lastly www.combovideos.com for some high lvl matches.
Post by: Mr Invader on August 21, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
I wonder how long it will take for all of them to come out.
The list for the 360 games was big before it came out and nearly a year later alot of games still aren't out.
Anyone have feedback on some non-launch titles for the PS3? I'm curious and too lazy to research
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 21, 2006, 08:21:00 PM
http://www.gametrail...hp?fs=1&id=2733
and check out Virtua Fighter 5
http://www.gametrail...hp?fs=1&id=2532
Post by: incognegro on August 22, 2006, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 21 2006, 07:13 PM)
Yes, I'm serious. And about Tekken, watch some high level matches and lets see how easily they fall into a juggle. Not only you have to deal with the juggles but you have to deal with the enviornment and the mind-games too. High-level gameplay is completely different, and thats a FACT. Any scrub can do a juggle, but playing at and against an expert level player isnt. Check out www.tekkencentral.com and www.tekkenzaibatsu.com and lastly www.combovideos.com for some high lvl matches.
Yes im aware of this but my problem is not how easy it is to juggle, is that because its so easy there should reprecussions for doing them. Now they are not as easy to do in other fighting games so the devastation of getting caught in them is justified. Since they are so easy in tekken there should be a gameplay mechanic that discourages you from using it as a crouch to win every match. I mean just simply finding ways to avoid getting into a juggle is not enough (which essentially boils down to who execute the juggle first and properly which is not that hard). There should be something in there that can stop a juggle in mid-air or something that acts a "spanking" move...meaning : DONT DO THAT AGAIN OR ELSE!
No matter how u put it, its cheap and thats the reason why I play Tekken 3 so much more. Back when it was good
. Now if only Sony actually do something right for a change with the psp and make me be able to play Tekken 3 on it through emulation ill be happy.As for Forza vs. GT , your case is sad if you think GT is better (neither GT4 nor 3...maybe GT2). Your not gonna listen to reason if thats the case. So im gonna leave that alone.
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 01:06:00 AM
Post by: DragoNs on August 23, 2006, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Aug 23 2006, 07:55 AM)
How can it be what youve always wanted when youve had it on the DC, and it is also available on the PS? You are just trying to find another weak excuse as to why the PS3 is somehow hugely superior.
PS2 has 1 game that was just released that supports mouse and keyboard, Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Aug 23 2006, 07:55 AM)
Put it this way - Im much more accurate on COD2 with a pad than I ever was on Quake with a mouse and keyboard, and I used to play TF & CS religiously back then.
Rofl, if your more accurate with a controller then mouse and keyboard, thats pretty sad, you must be pretty bad at FPS'. I play counter-strike on the PC, and when i switch to use a controller on 360 to play COD or PDZ, its pretty much... ridiculous and rather boring and then I just switch back to PC after relizing how boring and crappy a controller + FPS is.
Post by: incognegro on August 23, 2006, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: nickthegreat on August 23, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(DragoNs @ Aug 23 2006, 04:12 PM)
PS2 has 1 game that was just released that supports mouse and keyboard, Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus
bullshit:
halflife and unreal both supported it
and according to this website
http://www.ps2-scene...ead.php?t=26649
These games were also supported by their product:
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALs
Medal of Honor: Frontline
Time Splitters 2
James Bond 007: Nightfire
Tom Clancys Rainbow Six 3
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
REZ
QUOTE(DragoNs @ Aug 23 2006, 04:12 PM)
Rofl, if your more accurate with a controller then mouse and keyboard, thats pretty sad, you must be pretty bad at FPS'. I play counter-strike on the PC, and when i switch to use a controller on 360 to play COD or PDZ, its pretty much... ridiculous and rather boring and then I just switch back to PC after relizing how boring and crappy a controller + FPS is.
Nice one(!)
I didn't say I was more accurate at COD than TF or CS on the PC. I said I was more accurate on COD with a pad than Quake on the DC with a keyboard and mouse. Why? well firstly its all about what you are used to. Hence I know Im more accurate, right now, on halo 1 on the Xbox pad, than the PC version and its control system (face it, its balls). BUT - Im more accurate on the PC on CS (perfect control system) than I am on halo on the xbox. You switching from a PC to a console and finding the control system shit is no surprise. Control pads take a long time to adjust to, but that doesn't mean you can't become shit hot with them. People that whine about pads are those that don't use them enough and play others that do.
Secondly the mouse and keyboard implementation on quake was pretty poor, relative to say CS, which Id say is spot on. Therefore a mouse and keyboard setup on a console means bugger all until you play it. The quality of the control system is down to THE GAME and THE DEVELOPERS. Hence why:
'IM MUCH MORE ACCURATE ON COD WITH A PAD THAN I EVER WAS ON QUAKE WITH A MOUSE AND KEYBOARD' - Understand what I was getting at now?
You'd be surprise how quickly and accurately you can kill people on COD with a pad in anycase, once you get good with it; the only real disadvantage is turning speed and the fact that iv got a standard tv resolution. But yes, well done, if two people of the same skill played for the same amount of time on both the pc and console version, you'd be right to state what is the fucking obvious anyway.
Post by: DragoNs on August 23, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Aug 23 2006, 12:47 PM)
bullshit:
halflife and unreal both supported it
and according to this website
http://www.ps2-scene...ead.php?t=26649
These games were also supported by their product:
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALs
Medal of Honor: Frontline
Time Splitters 2
James Bond 007: Nightfire
Tom Clancys Rainbow Six 3
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
REZ
I never said other games didnt support it, was just saying that they just released a new game that supported it? i just said 1 game that support it was just released, not stating that any other game didnt support it... lol
Post by: Kira Yamoto on August 23, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
Ahem. Tekken 3 is even WORSE in that regard than Tekken 5 was. The damage in those juggles far exceed those of Tekken 5, and the ease, and pay off is even higher in Tekken 3. For example, 3x EWGF by Mishimas, Laser Scraper x2 by Jin, or even WGF > Laser Scraper > dWGF, and finally Heihachi's ridiculously easy ff+2, f+1, b+2, f+1 that does over 50%. Mostly every character has juggles like that, and the difficulty into getting them onto an advanced opponent are just about the same as in 5..
Post by: DragoNs on August 23, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Aug 23 2006, 03:18 PM)
So why did you quote me first then?? Seems a little odd, as is the way you phrased it: to the point where incognegro corrected you too.
buddy, I have a PS2 right beside me, ive played other games with my mouse and keyboard on it... what are you getting at?
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 24, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 17 2006, 05:25 PM)
personally I'm even more excited now that I've seen the entire list and what's coming out for it. Soul Cali, Tekken and Gran Turismo, and MGS4 are a given for me, but I'm excited about UT2007, Half Life 2 and FEAR making it. I hear that you're supposed to be able to hook up a keyboard and mouse to the PS3 and use that as your control scheme. It's what I've always wanted in console FPS's and the main reason why I stay away from them due to lack of.
Yes because using a K&M while laying back on a couch is so comfortable.
QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 20 2006, 08:31 PM)
... it even has 1080i
Forza < GT4Yay; upscaled 1080i from 480i! Amazing! It offers no visual improvement.
Post by: KAGE360 on August 24, 2006, 03:17:00 AM
QUOTE
it even has 1080i Forza < GT4
if you dont believe what foe-hammer said, because he didnt provide a link
, just watch the sony E306 press conference. during the GTHD (/joke of a game) presentation they state that the difference in information being presented on the screen (through the resolution) is 12 times between GTHD and GT4 on the ps2. if GT4 were true 1080i it would be less then 3 times the difference.just one more, of many, instances sony is lying to you and yet gets caught up in it. however you wont care or even pay attention to what im saying. oh and dont expect a link the E306 press conference vid, im sure you can find it yourself.