Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 13, 2008, 10:55:00 PM
Shot of ARGON install showing entire install.
Close up shot.
Video Showing ARGON Boot of SMG backup
Known Bugs,
1 ) A few of the games lock eventually if you just leave them playing their intro video in a loop.
2 ) Occasionally it seems to need to try twice to read a backup. (but it does read it fine just wastes a few seconds)
3 ) If you eject a game during play (why would you) You can't just put the disk back in a resume like normal.
4) A few games including SMG are known to have some freeze/lock issues
This chip is updatable via the optional Injectus programmer. I expect to be able to get the programmer by end of January and once they are ready for sale I expect a update will follow that will probably address and correct all of the above issues. (who is going to buy the programmer if there is no update
Because of the update feature a 20 inch long (really I measured) ribbon cable is included. I am just feeding these cables out the beside the USB port and they curl up like a pig tail. lol. I cover the end exposed connectors of the ribbon with some electrical tape to protect it.
This was the hardest install i have ever done. I remember when i was scarred to do the xbox 1.6 rebuild now i can do those in my sleep. If anyone is thinking of trying this my suggestion is find a old hard drive or something with small .5 mm chips on it and try soldering some 30awg kynar onto the pins. I practiced for a hour every day untill my chips arrived and it paid off big time. (you should see the mess i made of the first couple i tried)
Thanks for reading my review.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 15, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Some of them thought i cut a hole in the side of thier Wii when they heard.
I decided to make something up in photoshop showing exactly how it looks when assembled.
That should solve all those questions
Post by: TurboTronix on January 15, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: peter7431 on January 17, 2008, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 18, 2008, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE(peter7431 @ Jan 17 2008, 12:46 PM) 
So Galaxy is working with the Argon?
Galaxy boots but is known to have some freezing issues.
A firmware update came out yesterday for ARGON. Too bad almost no one has the programmer yet to update it. The chip can be updated with Infectus 1 or 2 however not thru the ribbon cable. You have to solder wires (on the bottom of ARGON) to update it thru infectus. The ribbon cable only works for Injectus.
So far i have installed 4 Argons.
Post by: solid7x2 on January 18, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
I am anxious to get the Argon, but a bit hesitant because there arent many reviews yet.
I have a co-worker who used to build motherboards with tiny points, so installation wont be a problem.
In addition, i noticed Modchip.ca has the argon AND the injectus. I was going to order from there because that was the only site i can find with the Injectus. I think its important to have because if for some reason an update is needed, I don't want to have to wait. It will also save on shipping, and they claim shipping to the US in 48 hours for 10 bucks. The injectus is an additional 25 bucks, which seems a little high, but I think its absolutely necessary. The total with shipping comes to $95 USD.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 19, 2008, 03:58:00 AM
$25 is really not bad for a USB programmer. If it was a serial port programmer that would be alot cheaper to build. For me the cost of $25 get divided into the 5 machines i already chipped and into the perhaps dozens more i will be doing.
I plan on grabbing 2 more chips and a programmer on my next order. I am getting a brand new Wii in a few hours. My local Toys r Us has 30 at 9:30am I guess i should get there at 7:30
One thing kinda pissing me off is that Infectus announced you will need to connect 3 more wires to get the region free feature working so Chip will be a 16 wire install in about a day when the new wiring diagram is released. 13 wires is all you need for basic install.
I still think ARGON is the best solution.
I should be able to confirm the bug fixes are working within 6 days once i have my programmer.
Post by: bulle48 on January 21, 2008, 10:31:00 AM
I've installed 2 of these chips (they are early version 1.0 that were pre-ordered). They were much easier to install then d2ckey.
My biggest problem is Argon originally advertised all functionality of D2Ckey in 13-wire solution, and updateable to cover any future copy protection. This was not at all what I received.
So far with both chips using fw1.0:
- all backups are recognized when inserted (after spinning and stopping the disc 3 times)
- less than %50 of games will play without freezing during fmv sequences (freezing and drive resets are apparently fixed in fw1.1/1.2)
- no import support (althouth in Feb. fw1.3 is supposed to allow imports to boot, but requires an extra 3 wires, where they go has yet to be announced)
- no gamecube support (somehow all threads regarding gamecube & argon were combined in to one, and then it was deleted from Infectus Forums, very sneaky).
Also when I ordered the chip I expected it to have a usb connector similar to the Infectus chip to allow programming of updates. When I received the chip it came with this flat cable, and now they say you have to buy a $30 programmer.
I have faith that infectus will be able to deliver what was promised, but who knows how long it will take them to develop and how many wires we'll have to add... If you want a chip that is known to work now with all features, and are good at soldering 0.5mm ICs then get d2ckey. If you want flexibility to update if nintendo makes any changes to the copy-protection, and you don't care too much to wait for import or gamecube support get Argon.
Post by: solid7x2 on January 22, 2008, 07:44:00 AM
I tried looking around on this topic and not seen much.
Syntaxerror: since you have done a few installs, can you verify if gamecube is supported in v1.1?
If so, im going to go ahead and get the argon.
Post by: TurboTronix on January 22, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
(IMG:http://www.infectus.biz/diagrams/argon1_3betadiagram.jpg)
Post by: solid7x2 on January 22, 2008, 01:56:00 PM
Post by: TurboTronix on January 22, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(solid7x2 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:56 PM) 
Its a $15 dollar difference... and modchip.ca looks like they have the infectus2 in stock... guess ill be placing an order.
They can't have it in stock since it is only going to be released on Jan 22nd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
As for modchip, they are going to receive their stock this friday (Jan 25th). I am on the waiting list myself.
Post by: solid7x2 on January 23, 2008, 08:51:00 AM
This post has been edited by solid7x2: Jan 23 2008, 04:54 PM
Post by: terrible_buddhist on January 23, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
Post by: TurboTronix on January 23, 2008, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(terrible_buddhist @ Jan 23 2008, 06:41 PM)
I am a bit baffled...why would any one chose the argon over the I2?
Its not a matter of choice, Aragon was on the market, Infectus2 was officially released on the 22 Jan. So the ones who couldn't wait got the Aragon...
Post by: TurboTronix on January 24, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
First test:
PAL Wii + Argon (13+4 wires) with firmware 1.3
NTSC Wii game Katana Samurai Warriors (Region NTSC - No Patch) - Boots
NTSC Wii game Katana Samurai Warriors (Region patched NTSC -> PAL) - Boots
PAL Wii game Super Mario Galaxy (Region PAL - No Patch) - Boots
PAL Wii game Super Mario Galacy (Region patched PAL -> NTSC) - Boots
And guess what, GC support!! But not full-region free...
GCOS disc (homebrew) - Boots
PAL GC Game Flushed Away - Boots
NTSC GC Game PacMan Fever - No Boot
So what to say but great results so far! Cheesy
Good job guys! Now just a little focus on full GC support and I think you're done for the moment Wink
EDIT: I had to put the PAL TV Settings to 60Hz instead of 50Hz to make the NTSC backup boot. If put on the 50Hz the NTSC game loads and then freezes.
Post by: solid7x2 on January 24, 2008, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: TurboTronix on January 24, 2008, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(solid7x2 @ Jan 24 2008, 09:27 PM)
Nicely done! I thought you were waiting for the Infectus 2 tho? Or was this the infectus2 with the Argon firmware?
Its the review of someone else, I am on the waiting list for the Infectus2...
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 26, 2008, 12:39:00 AM
I have added the new 4 EASY wires to my current installs in anticipation of Firmware 1.3 that has been released. I also was inspired by a guy that did what is being called the "No Leg Install" to make my own ARGON install diagram. So here it is..
HIGH QUALITY VERSION
LOW RES VERSION
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON_INSTALL_LQ.JPG)
You really need a Fiberglass brush tool like the Lenline 70-450 to properly prepare the contacts for soldering.
I just did one and it worked out really good for me. You of course have to remove the circuit board but itÂ’s not much work at all.
This post has been edited by syntaxerror329: Jan 26 2008, 08:43 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 26, 2008, 06:59:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 29, 2008, 07:52:00 AM
NOTE: In step 3 you just need to unlock the ribbon cable. In step 6 it will slide out perfect if you carefully wiggle the board.
Make sure when re-installing the board you attach the wires shown in step 1 and 2 to the same places or i am sure we will be reading some really interesting posts
They normally are still lined up perfect when you replace the board. Just double check. 
Post by: solid7x2 on January 29, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
I haven't seen any information on that from the alternative Pin methods for the argon.
EDIT: Found it.
http://www.techsick.com/articles-argon-d2c...all-guide.shtml
This post has been edited by solid7x2: Jan 29 2008, 06:07 PM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 30, 2008, 12:25:00 AM
QUOTE(solid7x2 @ Jan 29 2008, 11:52 AM)
Can you post your details of you "every other pin" method?
I haven't seen any information on that from the alternative Pin methods for the argon.
EDIT: Found it.
http://www.techsick....all-guide.shtml
I find this one to be much better for the Miss a Leg. (I have been incorrectly calling it the miss a pin install)
ARGON/INFECTUS Miss a LEG Install.
Post by: solid7x2 on February 01, 2008, 10:14:00 AM
There is no mention of international support for the infectus2. I don't see any wiring diagrams for infectus2 with the "optional 4 more pins"
I would imagine the infectus2 supports this as it uses argon firmware... What pins would be used?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 01, 2008, 11:51:00 AM
QUOTE(solid7x2 @ Feb 1 2008, 12:14 PM)
Infectus has posted their diagram for the infectus2 argon install and is basically the same as above...
There is no mention of international support for the infectus2. I don't see any wiring diagrams for infectus2 with the "optional 4 more pins"
I would imagine the infectus2 supports this as it uses argon firmware... What pins would be used?
Infectus has been tight lipped about where the extra wires will go on Infectus. They have responded over and over that they will tell us where they go when they have a firmware for the Infectus that uses them. I am sure the wait will not be much longer. The code can't be that differn't.
Post by: solid7x2 on February 01, 2008, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: TurboTronix on February 02, 2008, 12:07:00 AM
So far every backup I have worked!! Origrinals worked as well!! All good for now, I am a happy customer!
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 03, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(TurboTronix @ Feb 2 2008, 02:07 AM)
So got my Infectus2 and installed it using the alternative method. I tried installing it to the pins but always got them to close and it created conflict. So at the end I decided to flip the board and use the alternative method. It worked from the very first attempt using the alternative method should have done it all along.
So far every backup I have worked!! Origrinals worked as well!! All good for now, I am a happy customer!
Did you use my diagram or put all of the points on the bottom? I was hoping to see some pictures of other peoples installs.
Post by: TurboTronix on February 04, 2008, 09:49:00 AM
The flat cable they provided is pretty long but I am guessing its because the Infectus2 is for other consoles as well and the WII is the smallest one
Post by: taby1uk on February 04, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 04, 2008, 11:01:00 PM
QUOTE(taby1uk @ Feb 4 2008, 11:18 PM)
Am I right in saying to get to the back of the DVD circuit board I will need to de-soldier and re-soldier 6 extra wires as shown in the diagram above in points 1 and 2.
Yes, you are correct. I should really have documented exactly what you do in each step.
When you remove the wires they tend to stay in the exact same position and same order so it just takes a few seconds to tap them all back on again when you are done. I suspect this is done by hand in the factory during assembly.
Post by: taby1uk on February 05, 2008, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 05, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(taby1uk @ Feb 5 2008, 12:23 PM)
What is the best way to de-soldier those 6 wires, and also is there any good guide out there to get to the back of the circuit board. I am really keen to see the wiring arrangement pics as the wires will be on both sides.
To remove them all i do is grab onto one wire at a time with my tweezers and gently pull up while appling heat (320c) a hold them away from the solder pad for 3 seconds untill cool then move to the next one.
If you have concerns about these 6 wires then the ARGON install may not be for you. Not trying to be rude but you need to know this install is EXPERT only. Too many people are messing up there wii's. I am charging $150CDN installed once i have chips that is.
I will have more pictures soon however my order from modchip.ca is taking very long. They claim my oder completed on sunday but it still has not been shipped. I have heard lots of good about these guys but they are not being honest with me on this order.
Post by: taby1uk on February 05, 2008, 05:32:00 PM
I appreciate the fact it is a difficult install as I have only installed 1 wiikey before. I am slightly concerned using the top method as the legs look a bit too close to each other.
I think I will be able to manage the soldering but I am not good at reading diagrams hence I am looking forward to more pics.
Also I have query regarding the new diagram with extra 4 wires for multi region games, I have two wii systems
that are pal and LEH139 above. Do I only connect one out of the four wires for pal?.
I am awaiting 2 argon chips from modsupplier.com, I am in the uk so i guess it will take a while for the delivery even though they say the order is shipped.
Post by: shanghei on February 05, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: TurboTronix on February 06, 2008, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 06, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(taby1uk @ Feb 5 2008, 07:32 PM)
Also I have query regarding the new diagram with extra 4 wires for multi region games, I have two wii systems
that are pal and LEH139 above. Do I only connect one out of the four wires for pal?.
You need to connect all 4 extra wires. Only difference for a PAL console is you will connect the point i labeled SX to the V pad on ARGON.
You might also want to refer to the official diagram from infectus at this link
Or just refer to this.
SX -> SX = USA
SX -> Y = JAP
SX -> V = PAL
QUOTE(TurboTronix @ Feb 6 2008, 02:00 AM)
I didn't have to desolder nothing! You can easily remove it without disoldering anything in order to get to the back of the board, simply detach the flat cables and thats it...
Good one,
I never really thought of leaving them connected but you are absolutly correct. I think i will still take them off during install. I perfer having the drive mech out of my way while i work.
btw. modchip.ca still has not shipped my order even though they "COMPLETED" my order on sunday.
VERY ANGRY with modchip.ca ! I am trying modchipcentral for my next order.
Post by: Darkflame on February 07, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:53 PM)
You need to connect all 4 extra wires. Only difference for a PAL console is you will connect the point i labeled SX to the V pad on ARGON.
You might also want to refer to the official diagram from infectus at this link
Or just refer to this.
SX -> SX = USA
SX -> Y = JAP
SX -> V = PAL
Good one,
I never really thought of leaving them connected but you are absolutly correct. I think i will still take them off during install. I perfer having the drive mech out of my way while i work.
btw. modchip.ca still has not shipped my order even though they "COMPLETED" my order on sunday.
VERY ANGRY with modchip.ca ! I am trying modchipcentral for my next order.
You're not the only one. I ordered my 2 argon chips and programmer on the 18th. i've been waiting patiently as they send me tickets saying they will ship tomorrow. They will ship in 2 days. They will ship on monday. They will ship in a few days etc.....
Then I get an email saying it shipped but the programmer is again delayed. I was going to give them a few days before I issued a chargeback but seeing they shipped half my package. I guess i'm SOL and at their whim for when they decide to get around to shipping my product.
Please let me know how modchip central turns out for you. I'm liking the no leg install and am gonna be picking up 12-15 more chips. I definately will not send 800$ to a company who's pre-order page is basically "You're product is expected to ship on [$TODAYSDATE+2]
Thanks!
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 08, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkflame @ Feb 7 2008, 09:39 PM)
You're not the only one. I ordered my 2 argon chips and programmer on the 18th. i've been waiting patiently as they send me tickets saying they will ship tomorrow. They will ship in 2 days. They will ship on monday. They will ship in a few days etc.....
Then I get an email saying it shipped but the programmer is again delayed. I was going to give them a few days before I issued a chargeback but seeing they shipped half my package. I guess i'm SOL and at their whim for when they decide to get around to shipping my product.
Please let me know how modchip central turns out for you. I'm liking the no leg install and am gonna be picking up 12-15 more chips. I definately will not send 800$ to a company who's pre-order page is basically "You're product is expected to ship on [$TODAYSDATE+2]
Thanks!
I got my mod chips today from modchip.ca. Like you mentioned my order came without the injectus programmers i had ordered. I also got confirmation from modchipcentral for a programmer plus 10 chips so i am going to be stocked for a few days at least. I should have everything by tuesday.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 08, 2008, 11:18:00 PM
HI RES VERSIONS AT
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 1
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 2
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 3
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 4
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 5
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 6
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL PIC 7
Post by: TurboTronix on February 10, 2008, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: modchipcanada on February 12, 2008, 10:50:00 PM
Howdy all.
just to explain we had a issue with some fedex delivery problems however all back orders have shipped out. Thank you for your understanding. - Took long time to manual update all chips to 1.3 by hand .
We are now, as well, offering discounts of 5 and 10 argon modchips.
Take it eazy everyone.
Chris
http://www.modchip.ca
Post by: peter7431 on February 13, 2008, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: banner on February 13, 2008, 04:09:00 PM
works a dream
Post by: peter7431 on February 13, 2008, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(banner @ Feb 13 2008, 06:09 PM)
i just installed my infectus2
works a dream
what install guide did you use?
Post by: Darkflame on February 13, 2008, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(modchipcanada @ Feb 13 2008, 07:26 AM)
Howdy all.
just to explain we had a issue with some fedex delivery problems however all back orders have shipped out. Thank you for your understanding. - Took long time to manual update all chips to 1.3 by hand .
We are now, as well, offering discounts of 5 and 10 argon modchips.
Take it eazy everyone.
Chris
http://www.modchip.ca
[Off Topic]
I'm glad to see that your issues are sorted out because I will say that I am very much pleased at how you took the time to call me by phone to verify my credit information given my shipping and billing were different. Does help to deter someone from using my CC with you guys I am greatful there.
I am still waiting for my chip. Should be any day now. I see it arrived in the destination country 5 days ago.
I look forward to receiving the programmer as well. Thank you Mod canada.
[/Off topic]
In regards to the "no leg" install. I have a question. I understand that you are phsically plugging in the wire through the VIA before applying solder?
If I understand correctly, a VIA is a hole in the motherboard that allows a trace to travel through the board and to the other side correct?
If this is the case isn't there a top board via that you can simply push the wire through?...
Rather then unsoldering the board, feeding a wire through and soldering to the via, why not just solder it to the via on the topside of the board?..Is this possible?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 13, 2008, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(modchipcanada @ Feb 13 2008, 01:26 AM)
Howdy all.
just to explain we had a issue with some fedex delivery problems however all back orders have shipped out. Thank you for your understanding. - Took long time to manual update all chips to 1.3 by hand .
We are now, as well, offering discounts of 5 and 10 argon modchips.
Take it eazy everyone.
Chris
http://www.modchip.ca
@ MODCHIP.CA
My beef with you guys is that my order status was marked as completed on Sunday - I tell my customers my order is coming. Then nothing ships for days, then Thursday i am told , ya by the way, the order we marked completed we never shipped and its not really completed we didn't get the injectus programmers but we will ship it today without the programers. Thank god i had the good sence to order a injectus from modchipcentral. They shipped it within 12 hours and i got it in 2 bussiness days. They also shipped me 10 ARGON's that i had preordered on the day they said they would get them . Shipped them overnight, and gave me a free injectus with that order. If i had waited for modchip.ca to get me my injectus i would still have customers running ARGON v1.0 and we all know the 1st version is horrible.
QUOTE(Darkflame @ Feb 13 2008, 08:42 PM)
In regards to the "no leg" install. I have a question. I understand that you are phsically plugging in the wire through the VIA before applying solder?
If I understand correctly, a VIA is a hole in the motherboard that allows a trace to travel through the board and to the other side correct?
If this is the case isn't there a top board via that you can simply push the wire through?...
Rather then unsoldering the board, feeding a wire through and soldering to the via, why not just solder it to the via on the topside of the board?..Is this possible?
Not all of the via's are availible on the top. Some of them are under the D2C and the D1 chip.
I have tried doing this install by sticking some wires thru and soldering them on the other side. For example you could very easily stick R, A, I and B thru the top and solder them on the bottom side and then trim the wires, That would make for a very nice job.
The via's are full of laminate so i after i clean the tops of them with my lenline brush i cut my wires with a razor blade on a 45 so that they have a sharp point and then they can be inserted into the board perfectly. Sometimes i have to spin them a tiny bit like a drill to get them to go in. Leave about 2mm exposed copper so that there is enough room for the soldering tip.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 13, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
Here is what it looks it. Download and print the proper .PDF at ARGON NO LEG WIRE LENGTHS
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/argon%20wires%20small.jpg)
Here is a great picture to use a reference to see how I routed the wires. Notice that R goes under the ARGON and comes back up on the other side. Also notice that I feed E, C, G and RST thru that hole in the board.
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON%20WIRE%20ROUTING.jpg)
I have also stopped putting the flat cable out the back of the Wii in favor of this cleaner looking spot thru Gamecube Card SLOT A
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/HIDDEN%20FLAT%20CABLE.JPG)
So to update my review abit - All of my customers are very happy with Argon v1.4
Every install I have done works perfectly. I have not had a single freeze issue anymore. Mario Galaxy is Working great. Now we just have to wait for SSBB USA to see how good it works.
Also Injectus worked very good. Takes about 6 minutes to update ARGON. I installed Injectus on Vista 64bit and XP Pro without any problems.
If anyone is trying to find a fiberglass burnishing brush I just so happen to have access to a few "slimline" brushes from lenline. I had a very hard time finding the slim so i grab a few extras for anyone on the scene that needs one. Just PM me or ask me on my website.
Thanks
BOXXDR
This post has been edited by syntaxerror329: Feb 14 2008, 05:23 AM
Post by: banner on February 14, 2008, 01:32:00 AM
i have a question for ya, when u box ur wii back up, do u tape over the chip as it sits directly opposite some tin on the inner case?
ive still got mine open as i only completed it yesterday and was a bit worried about it making contact with something.
Post by: TurboTronix on February 14, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 14, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(banner @ Feb 14 2008, 03:32 AM)
hey syntaxerror329 nice install
i have a question for ya, when u box ur wii back up, do u tape over the chip as it sits directly opposite some tin on the inner case?
ive still got mine open as i only completed it yesterday and was a bit worried about it making contact with something.
No tape is required. Circuit boards by design have exposed contacts all over so i am not worried. My chip is essentially welded in by that ground connection i make so its not moving anywhere. Tape wont hurt anything so if your install is a bit messy then best tape it for peace of mind.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 14, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(TurboTronix @ Feb 14 2008, 11:43 AM)
Where did you get that SD -> game cube slot card? I am also looking for WII memory of the same type (that I can put an SD card into).
I have never actually used it. I just wanted to demonstrate that the ribbon cable does not interfere with the function of the Port. PM me and i will sell it to you if you want it.
Post by: peter7431 on February 14, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 14, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(peter7431 @ Feb 14 2008, 03:24 PM)
Hey Syntax, the argon and infectus2 are the same chip right? I ordered an infectus2 so I should be able to use the same points you used in those highres pictures you posted right? Im just really confused as to which guide to use because on the infectus website it has a diagram that has different points for ground and +3v. here it is. http://img134.images...tusmal13sc2.jpg
Infectus2 is 5 volts so use the spot they recommend for that. For all the rest you can use my points. I should edit my diagram to with relabeled points for infectus 2. You will also want to mount the chip in a completly differnt place. It is a bit bigger so it wont fit in the middle.
Post by: taby1uk on February 14, 2008, 07:16:00 PM
I have a question about the 3.3V wire as I seen a pic with someone using 2 threads of 30AWG wire.
Do you just use the one thread?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 14, 2008, 09:24:00 PM
QUOTE(taby1uk @ Feb 14 2008, 09:16 PM)
syntaxerror329 thanks for the support, I think you are doing a great job.
I have a question about the 3.3V wire as I seen a pic with someone using 2 threads of 30AWG wire.
Do you just use the one thread?
I am using 1 thread of 18AWG for the 3v and a peice of solder braid flooded with solder for the ground.
If you use two 30awg it will work perfectly too!
Good luck,
Post by: banner on February 15, 2008, 01:22:00 AM
would it be recommendable to tape around all the soldered joints on the chip but leave the chip exsposed?
have u any pics of how u did it?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 15, 2008, 01:15:00 AM
QUOTE(banner @ Feb 15 2008, 03:22 AM)
syntaxerror329 how would u recommend taping or securing the chip in place?
would it be recommendable to tape around all the soldered joints on the chip but leave the chip exsposed?
have u any pics of how u did it?
Did you look at page one of this thread?
Here are the two pictures that show it best.
ARGON NO LEG PIC 6
ARGON NO LEG PIC 5
I had to sand the "S" corner of the mod chip round to get it to fit perfect in the center of board. This wont hurt anything and only takes a few seconds. I use a peice of electrical tape to hold it from underneath and then my Ground point holds it on the top. Its not going anywhere! You do not need any tape over any of the soldered joints if your work looks like my pictures.
Post by: Mac Modding on February 16, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
This is my installation of Argon Modchip :
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/DSCN1553.JPG)
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/DSCN1555.JPG)
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/DSCN1552.JPG)
And Installation Jtag :
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/forum/images/tutoriaux/Update_Argon/00.JPG)
Post by: peter7431 on February 16, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: johnmiceter on February 16, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
Can anyone list the differences. Do they both have the same features ?
Btw, I really just want to play all the emulators and GC games on my wii. I also heard that you play DVD and Divx on it also ?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 17, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(johnmiceter @ Feb 16 2008, 11:35 PM)
I am very new to the Wii scene, but am seriously considering getting one of these chips, just not 100% sure yet which one. I jsut read all this topic but couldn't see what the difference is between the Infectus2 chip and the Argon.
Can anyone list the differences. Do they both have the same features ?
Btw, I really just want to play all the emulators and GC games on my wii. I also heard that you play DVD and Divx on it also ?
Infectus 2 might be a better choice for you becuase for $70 you get a chip with usb update. With Argon you get a chip for $60 and if you want to update it you need injectus for a extra $25. The Infectus2 is a larger chip so it does not mount in the center of the board but there is still room for it in there off to the side.
I choose ARGON becuase i install tons of chips and i don't want people messing with the firmware and i use one injectus to update them all so i am saving good money. Also i buy the ARGON's in bulk and save even more. When Infectus makes updates they make them for Argon first and then 7-10days later for Infectus2
New ARGON firmware 1.5beta has been released yesterday and it should fix some issues with some gamecube backups not working. I have not tested it yet becuase i don't have any gamecube backups.
Post by: peter7431 on February 17, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
Is this the infectus2? Because theres no D or E points on it. Im confused as to which guide to use as theres so many. Help!
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 18, 2008, 12:30:00 AM
QUOTE(peter7431 @ Feb 17 2008, 08:01 PM)
http://www.tehskeen..../infectus2l.jpg
Is this the infectus2? Because theres no D or E points on it. Im confused as to which guide to use as theres so many. Help!
Yes thats Infectus 2. My diagram is for ARGON. The wires will go to all the same spots shown in the No Leg Install they just have differnt Labels. Only exception is that Argon is 3v and Infectus 2 is 5v.
ARGON/INFECTUS WIIKTUS
RST = G
B = V
G = T
C = P
E = N
R = R
F = U
I = Q
D = O
H = M
A = A
O = D0
P = D1
Q = D2
SX = D3 (USA)
GND = GND
3V = 5V
Post by: johnmiceter on February 18, 2008, 02:00:00 AM
. So do these updates come out reguarly with Argon ?And what happens when no more updates come out ? How will you play the newer games if tehy make a protection for it and then no more updates come out for the chip, just curious.
Post by: throwingks on February 18, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: peter7431 on February 18, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: solid7x2 on February 19, 2008, 10:35:00 AM
I am just waiting on my new solder equipment and I will be getting to the install eventually and want to be prepared.
Post by: thelee on March 05, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
i will probably give it back and say i canny do it but if anyone can help..?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on March 06, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(thelee @ Mar 5 2008, 04:46 PM)
hi ive been asked to install one of these argon chips on the D2C wii, and i've done a lot of reading over the net about it but im stumped at what is most probably gonna make me sound stupid.. although i dont have a berlingbrush, i was opting for the no legs install, using the via's (the lil holes connecting both sides of the circuitboard(?)).. my problem is that all of the via's little holes are completely filled in... on all the pictures ive seen on here they are all open with nothing blocking them at all. have i missed something? on this chipboard the areas around the vias seem to be darker green (where something has been filled into them?) this is a strange wii though, it had absolutely no tri-winged screws..
i will probably give it back and say i canny do it but if anyone can help..?
I am surprised no one has mentioned this before. It would seem that nintendo has probably gone to more then one vendor for the DVD circuit boards. Some boards have HUGE via's that are almost big enough for you to stick a 30awg wire right in them. Other boards will have tiny vias. For the ones with tiny vias you still need to prepare the vias the same way except you will want to tin them all first with solder then attach the wires. Also some boards have very thick laminate on them and others have almost none.
Basically if you have the board type with the huge vias you are crazy not to use the via install! If you have the small via's its a bit more difficult but i would still prefer it over those damn legs.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on March 07, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
If you get a board with Vias that big and you still want to do a leg install you are RETARDED!
(or very fast/experienced at leg installs
) Here is a picture after install.
On boards with Huge VIA's i am putting point B on top. It saves work seeing as you clean the Via for point B when your cleaning R A and I
Post by: syntaxerror329 on March 10, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
Here is how i did it,
Burned at 2.4x speed on cheap Memorex DVD+R DL 8x disks.
Used imgburn with layerbreak manually set to 2084960
Burned with Pioneer 212d
I have only played it for 5 minutes so i guess i still need to do more testing but so far so good.
Post by: solid7x2 on March 10, 2008, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on March 11, 2008, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on March 11, 2008, 08:57:00 PM
It looks cool I think you will all agree.
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON3COLOR/TOP.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON3COLOR/BOTTOMA1.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON3COLOR/RAIB.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.boxxdr.com/ARGON3COLOR/FDH.jpg)
This post has been edited by syntaxerror329: Mar 12 2008, 03:59 AM
Post by: Mac Modding on March 31, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
This is my installation of Argon Modchip :
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/ARGON_01.JPG)
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/ARGON_07.JPG)
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/catalog/images/montages/ARGON_08.JPG)
And Installation Jtag :
(IMG:http://macmodding.net/forum/images/tutoriaux/Update_Argon/00.JPG)
Post by: syntaxerror329 on April 04, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Mac Modding @ Mar 31 2008, 05:59 PM)
Good evening,
This is my installation of Argon Modchip :
This is not the show off how good your install looks thread. You already posted these pictures once and we are all very impressed.
Problem is many people reading this thread are installing this chip for the first time. Every post i have put into this thread was to help people find the easyiest way to install this chip. Your install method would be a nightmare for anyone that wasn't a skilled installer. So all you have done is drop a big billboard for your install services (again).
The Two most important things with ARGON install is good soldering connections and short wire lenght.
Make your own thread unless you have something usefull to say!
And now for a picture from BOXXDR.COM
Post by: evanmugford on April 04, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Apr 4 2008, 05:34 PM)
This is not the show off how good your install looks thread. You already posted these pictures once and we are all very impressed.
Problem is many people reading this thread are installing this chip for the first time. Every post i have put into this thread was to help people find the easyiest way to install this chip. Your install method would be a nightmare for anyone that wasn't a skilled installer. So all you have done is drop a big billboard for your install services (again).
The Two most important things with ARGON install is good soldering connections and short wire lenght.
Make your own thread unless you have something usefull to say!
And now for a picture from BOXXDR.COM
not to mention he wants 100.00 Euros = 158.100087 Canadian dollars
to install a frigin chip that*a take a hour lol......frigin doctors rates .
i can install a argon in a hour to 1 1/2, thats looks just as good and wouldn't dream of charginf someone $150 plus the chip....thats like $250 by the time you include shipping and the usb.
frig you could buy a wii to practice on lol
anyway.
another thing to be shore of is doubling up power and ground wires.(or use heavy gauge) seems to work much better. and seem to have more consistant power out of the optional 3.3
Post by: beanzapper on April 06, 2008, 04:50:00 PM
-Thanks
Post by: evanmugford on April 07, 2008, 08:06:00 AM
QUOTE(beanzapper @ Apr 6 2008, 11:50 PM)
Anyone a guide to the no leg install? I though I found one in this thread already, but can't find it again for the life of me.
-Thanks
then use P O Q SX,Y or V from this one.
Post by: beanzapper on April 07, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
-Thanks again
This post has been edited by beanzapper: Apr 7 2008, 10:02 PM
Post by: beanzapper on April 07, 2008, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Mar 7 2008, 05:13 PM)
I bought a brand new Wii today at Wall mart and it had the HUGE via's so i thought i would take a picture with a bright light behind the board to show how easy these are to mod with the NO leg install.
If you get a board with Vias that big and you still want to do a leg install you are RETARDED!
(or very fast/experienced at leg installs
) Here is a picture after install.
On boards with Huge VIA's i am putting point B on top. It saves work seeing as you clean the Via for point B when your cleaning R A and I
I really like what you did there - soldering I, B, A and R on top. Looks a lot cleaner than the installs posted in the Infectus Argon tutorial. That's how I plan to do it when my chip gets here - pending on what my via's look like
.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on April 07, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
Here is my install diagram
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL BOXXDR
Post by: beanzapper on April 08, 2008, 02:10:00 PM
QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Apr 7 2008, 06:23 PM)
Glad you like it. I think it makes for the perfect install.
Here is my install diagram
ARGON NO LEG INSTALL BOXXDR
Ahh, thanks syntax. This thread was a BIG help (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .
Post by: beanzapper on April 13, 2008, 01:06:00 AM
.I'll post pictures/results sometime after Monday of my Argon install using the alternative points and the additional region-free wires.
-Bean
Post by: syntaxerror329 on April 13, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(beanzapper @ Apr 13 2008, 03:42 AM)
Ahhh, damnit. The mailman "supposedly" came to my door while I was home - I don't believe it though. Guess I'll have to wait until Mon. for the chip
.I'll post pictures/results sometime after Monday of my Argon install using the alternative points and the additional region-free wires.
-Bean
The postman was leaving these "not home" notices for me all the time when i was home. I finally got a hidden camera just for the purpose of catching him. Now i get everything
Post by: beanzapper on April 16, 2008, 08:08:00 PM
I am trying to play some backups, but no success yet. I think the problem may lie with my media, burning technique, or possibly I did make a mistake soldering and the chip isn't interfacing with the Wii. I examined each solder point with a magnifying glass and there didn't seem to be any bridges, but I guess I'll need to check them all w/ multimeter to be sure. Before I open my Wii again, I'm going to borrow a friend's backup that is for sure working.
I've tried burning Zelda Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption using Nero, IMGBurn and Alcohol 120 at 2x burning speed (my media is Memorex DVD-R 16x 4.7GB by the way). That's all I've done though, I had a hard time finding guides for actually backing up the disc.
If anyone has any advice or sees a problem with what I'm doing, don't hesitate to offer your assistance =D.'
Thanks,
Bean.
EDIT: I think I solved my problem... The media needs to be exactly the size of the ISO, which is 4.37GB. My media is 4.7GB. This is my problem, isn't it?
This post has been edited by beanzapper: Apr 17 2008, 03:20 AM
Post by: beanzapper on April 16, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Gokuu on May 06, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
First off, let me say that this is a awesome thread about the Argon chip!
I (very) recently bought myself a Wii, and I'm thinking of modding it. I've also been thinking about which modchip to use, and from my research, I think Argon or Infectus2 appear to be the best.
But I have some (more like a lot of) noobish questions, either with the chips functionality and installation. Here they are.
Functionality:
1 - How does the chip work with online games? Is the chip detected and I can't play games online?
2 - To update the firmware on Argon, I must also buy the programmer, right? But the Infectus2 already comes with the programmer?
Installation:
1 - Everyone keeps talking about using the motherboard VIA's to get the wires to the other side of the board. But why not use that HUGE hole where the Argon chip is placed?
2 - What does that fiberglass pen do, and is it possible to mod the Wii without one of those?
3 - Am I correct in thinking that the 'NO LEG INSTALL' method is basically soldering the pins that are next to each other one on each side of the board? Or is it a more 'obscure' method that I haven't realized?
Please don't kill me for being so noobish, and thanks in advance for the help
