Post by: hardcandy on June 04, 2008, 07:17:00 AM
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A last-minute rush of Democratic superdelegates, as well as the results from the final primaries, in Montana and South Dakota, pushed Mr. Obama over the threshold of winning the 2,118 delegates needed to be nominated at the partys convention in August. The victory for Mr. Obama, the son of a black Kenyan father and a white Kansan mother, broke racial barriers and represented a remarkable rise for a man who just four years ago served in the Illinois Senate.
Tonight, we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another a journey that will bring a new and better day to America, Mr. Obama told supporters at a rally in St. Paul. Because of you, tonight I can stand here and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States of America.
Tonight, we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another a journey that will bring a new and better day to America, Mr. Obama told supporters at a rally in St. Paul. Because of you, tonight I can stand here and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States of America.
Looking forward to the election. I am registered and will vote and am a bleeding heart liberal. So if you can't stand bleeding heart liberals, better register and vote or my vote will count twice- the one I cast and the one you did not cast.
Post by: Reaper527 on June 06, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(hardcandy @ Jun 4 2008, 09:53 AM) 
So if you can't stand bleeding heart liberals, better register and vote or my vote will count twice- the one I cast and the one you did not cast.
don't worry, i'll be there
Post by: bucko on June 06, 2008, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: lostboyz on June 06, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
GD socialists
Post by: hamwbone on June 06, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: damam on June 13, 2008, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: hardcandy on June 15, 2008, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(damam @ Jun 13 2008, 06:57 PM)
Post by: Reaper527 on June 15, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(hardcandy @ Jun 15 2008, 02:31 PM)
ExxonMobil continues to receive billions of dollars from publicly-funded corporate handouts, in the form of tax breaks and royalty relief (for oil taken from public lands).
so you are one of those people thats wants $12/gallon gas like europe? the rest of the stuff you mentioned isn't going to be changed by obama. he is full of empty promises and rhetoric. he "promises" to lower taxes for the middle class, guess what, bill clinton promised that too, before hiking them. his foreign policy is absolutely abysmal as well. he only looks at the short term impact and not the long term impact (and by long term, i mean 10 years out, pretty much just after his presidency ends if he is elected 2 terms)
Post by: hardcandy on June 15, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jun 15 2008, 03:16 PM)
so you are one of those people thats wants $12/gallon gas like europe? the rest of the stuff you mentioned isn't going to be changed by obama. he is full of empty promises and rhetoric. he "promises" to lower taxes for the middle class, guess what, bill clinton promised that too, before hiking them. his foreign policy is absolutely abysmal as well. he only looks at the short term impact and not the long term impact (and by long term, i mean 10 years out, pretty much just after his presidency ends if he is elected 2 terms)
Excuse me? I mean I was even willing to give George Bush a chance when he first started. Up until Irag was invaded, I was supporting most of his policies. But I knew Iraq would be a mistake.
Most presidents are "full of empty promises" when they are running for office.
And as far as subsidizing Exxon, how would that make gasoline $12/gallon? As far as I can tell, any relief the government gives Exxon goes to bonuses for executives and dividends for stock holders. The amount of relief Exxon gets is not specifically targeted towards development of new fields.
Seems like you can fortell the future. You missed your calling.
I think the changed attitude the rest of the world will have towards the USA is worth electing Obama. We need more friends, not more enemies. Hopefully, with the Democrats controlling Congress and a Democrat in the White House (one with some legislative experience) we can see some progress on medical insurance reform, education reform,etc. Nothing concrete can be promised right now, but at least it will be a change.
Post by: yayupp on June 16, 2008, 02:19:00 AM
I think bush w. was told what to do and was finishing sr.'s thing.
Please don't get wrong, I don't really follow politics. I just think the war was a fuck up but shit happens. It will get better.
Post by: Tripme on June 16, 2008, 09:13:00 PM
I don't think $12 gallon gas is a bad thing. It will cause drastic changes in the way we produce and use energy, which is long overdue.
Post by: lordvader129 on June 16, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Tripme @ Jun 16 2008, 07:49 PM)
I hope Obama whoops everyones ass. He may not be the most experienced or whatever, but the man has drive. He seems to be putting alot of effort into what he believes in. Thats enough for me.
bush puts a lot of effort into what he believes too, is that also a enough for you?
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I don't think $12 gallon gas is a bad thing. It will cause drastic changes in the way we produce and use energy, which is long overdue.
if you think the US is in an economic recession id hate to see your reaction to 12 dollar a gallon gas, it would push a large percentage of the population below the poverty line
Post by: Tripme on June 16, 2008, 10:02:00 PM
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bush puts a lot of effort into what he believes too, is that also a enough for you?
This kind of argument really pisses me off. I have friends who pull this shit all the time. Try to turn anyone into a hypocrite about anything.
Post by: lostboyz on June 16, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and get an understanding of how far liberalism can go
this saving the world bullshit, and 'we can do it' slogans are the end of it. When politicians proclaim 'we can do it' it really means 'we will legislate that you do it' whether it can be done or not. Almost never is the technical professionals ever questioned or listened to in these matters. How many people bought hybrid cars because Al Gore told them to. WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.
We need to go back to conservative roots, cut the fucking war bullshit, worry about our economy before we save the world. Especially since the rest of the world dosent give a shit.
We are using most of our corn fields to produce ethanol where that was one of the few things we can export. Its just one example of backwards thought.
Post by: Tripme on June 17, 2008, 07:55:00 AM
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"bush puts a lot of effort into what he believes too, is that also a enough for you?"
This kind of argument really pisses me off. I have friends who pull this shit all the time. Try to turn anyone into a hypocrite about anything.
Going back and reading this, I wasn't aiming this at vader. Just saying that I have friends who ALWAYS say stuff like that. For example, I'll say I can't spend a bunch of money on a video game or w/e cause I need to save for rent, they come back and question me when I spend $5 for some food. (This is a guy whose parents pay for every cent of his expenses in college)
Didn't mean anything towards you vader.
Post by: BoNg420 on June 17, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: hardcandy on June 17, 2008, 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 17 2008, 01:19 AM)
then maybe you should stop being a hypocrite?
Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and get an understanding of how far liberalism can go
this saving the world bullshit, and 'we can do it' slogans are the end of it. When politicians proclaim 'we can do it' it really means 'we will legislate that you do it' whether it can be done or not. Almost never is the technical professionals ever questioned or listened to in these matters. How many people bought hybrid cars because Al Gore told them to. WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.
We need to go back to conservative roots, cut the fucking war bullshit, worry about our economy before we save the world. Especially since the rest of the world dosent give a shit.
We are using most of our corn fields to produce ethanol where that was one of the few things we can export. Its just one example of backwards thought.
A new movie version of "Atlas Shrugged" is supposed to come out in 2009.
Angelina Jolie is the star
Atlas Shrugged is a fictional work. The liberal policies of the Democrats in the 1930's, 1960's and some in the late 1990's are real. Some of the results are good , some are bad. Try not to simplify the world too much. That is the main argument I have with Objectivism (the philosophy created by Ayn Rand) it relies on too much black or white/right or wrong. Humans and the world have too many shades of grey.
As an example; Roman Polanski, the film director, was expelled from the USA for having sex with an underage girl (13 years old). Now according to Ayn Rand, Polanski was just working on his self interest.
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She believed that individuals should choose their values and actions solely by reason. According to Rand, the individual "must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life."
Polanski argued the girl was agreeable. So was he saying he did not "sacrifice others to himself"? Was it wrong to have sex with a 13 year old girl? Would Ayn Rand say it was none of the government's business as to what Polanski was doing? Did Polanski's contributions to the world (Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby) outweigh his actions towards a 13 year old girl? See how grey it can become?
I would like to see the USA become more like Canada, Sweden, and France. More concerned with the quality of life instead of the cost of life. We may make more money, but are we truly happy as a society compared to some other countries? Is capitalism really worth it?
Post by: damam on June 17, 2008, 02:23:00 PM
i believe that rand would compare Polanski to James Taggart. "The man who has no purpose, but has to act, and acts to destroy others. " She would also say that his desire to have sex with a 13 year old, was a symptom of his own self value. Therefore, Rand would have declared that Polanski was in fact depraved and immoral. I could go on much longer on Rands view on sex in the book, her views on sex in her life, and on morality in general, and why your reply is a completeley distorted view of her beliefs, but if you really know Rand as well as you proclaim too, then there is no need to do that because you must have distorted it on purpose.
as for your reply to my post:
that is a change, a change back to lbj and carter to be specific. And we can see how well that worked out for them. Like it or not, war, when allowed to go to completion, solves more issues than peace. Why? Peace requires mutual dis-satisfaction, and people are only willing to put up with that for so long because both sides will eventually feel like that got the short end.
i dont like golden parachutes anymore than anyone else, but why on earth did the company allow it? This falls back on the owners (shareholders) of the company. Dont like it, dont buy stocks in companies that do it. Vote with your wallet.
now that nanosolar is producing solar at a .36 cents a watt, it is now below the cost of oil (about 40 cents per watt at $50/barrel) to go to solar. As they ramp up and perfect the technique, the market forces will drive the US to solar sometime within the next 5 - 7 years. And it will happen rapidly. No need for government intervention.
Post by: lostboyz on June 17, 2008, 04:53:00 PM
We need a plan to produce more, bring energy costs down (w/o respect to being green), and look into the future of our economy. Because why save the world for our children if they dont have the means to live.
Post by: Reaper527 on June 18, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 17 2008, 01:19 AM)
WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.
this guy
http://tennesseepoli...?article_id=764
i'd give him the hypocrite of the year award
Post by: damam on June 18, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jun 18 2008, 07:47 AM)
its a funny article, but unfortunately i dont think the dates add up. I think they may have been measuring while he was under construction. Never the less, I doubt gore will ever be able to achieve anything close to under 8,000 kw hours/year that I use let alone the number he wants us paupers to live by. Any way you slice it gore is an elitist baffoon.