Post by: pug_ster on September 19, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
Like a bunch of crybaby's, these backwarded Muslims took the Pope's quote out of context. 99% of these people didn't bother to listen to Pope's speech and if they ever heard it, it was something to promote peace and not war.
Even when the Pope says sorry that the Muslims took offense about his remarks and his remarks does not reflect his own. Those backwarded Muslims demanded an apology (and some even demanded his head.)
Unfortunately, whenever you see this kind of news, the first thing you see if those Ignorant Muslims protesting, burning American flags and figurines of the Pope. They expect the respect from Christians when they can't respect Christianity. Sad sad sad.
Post by: puckSR on September 19, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Any religion, belief, or group that tries to censor other groups....or demands respect should not be allowed to exist. I know this may seem a bit extreme, but honestly.....
The Pope could have said that all Muslims are going to burn in hell. He could have said that they are all dirty, sick, perverse individuals.... They would be perfectly in their rights to demand an apology...but at the same time they have to realize that he is outside the scope of their religion....and therefore not subject to its laws.
The actual comment made by the Pope(when quoting an old text) was in comparison between the Christian and Muslim faiths. The argument was that Mohammed had brought nothing good to the world. This may seem a bit extreme, but the argument was a bit more detailed. It argued that Mohammed had brought good to the world, but no greater good than Christ had brought. In essence Christians and Muslims were equally good(in comparison to judaism which had some theological kinks that may have prevented goodness).
However, Mohammed had brought certain evils with his religion too. In other words, when objectively compared, the world would be a better place if we replaced all of the Muslims with Christians.
Now, the interesting part about this comment is it does not refer to modern Fundamentalist Christians. Modern Fundies, like their Islamic brothers, are evil. They bring more harm to the world with less good. Its hilarious that we have such a cultural divide...since both groups would probably love each other if they understood each other at all.
Post by: PhatIrishBastard on September 19, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
I really dont understand why he even opened his mouth on the subject. He still hasnt caught all those rump rangers in the US and abroad.
He is about as significant as Al Gore.
Anyone:
In the west
Over the age of 6
And not male could two f*cks about POPE.
(IMG:http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/images/2005/20050402_pope-in-hell.jpg)
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Peter described men such as John Paul II, "Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness." 2 Pet. 2:15.
Post by: puckSR on September 19, 2006, 06:22:00 PM
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I really dont understand why he even opened his mouth on the subject.
Ahh...nothing like total ignorance to make IrishBastard's life easier....
Why did he open his mouth?
Well, he was speaking to a university. A university where he used to teach. He was a professor of theology.
He also didnt "open his mouth on the subject", but rather quoted someone during the course of a 2 hour lecture.
Ummm...also thats a picture of Pope John Paul the 2nd...
Who is now dead...and no longer the pope.
You really dont pay attention do you?
This post has been edited by puckSR: Sep 20 2006, 01:23 AM
Post by: PhatIrishBastard on September 20, 2006, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Sep 19 2006, 05:53 PM) 
Ahh...nothing like total ignorance to make IrishBastard's life easier....
Why did he open his mouth?
Well, he was speaking to a university. A university where he used to teach. He was a professor of theology.
He also didnt "open his mouth on the subject", but rather quoted someone during the course of a 2 hour lecture.
Ummm...also thats a picture of Pope John Paul the 2nd...
Who is now dead...and no longer the pope.
You really dont pay attention do you?
One child molester two child molesters whats the difference, Although I wasnt speaking to you sir big mouth.
The new f*ck is protecting molesters also. either way they are irrelevant.
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
QUOTE(PhatIrishBastard @ Sep 20 2006, 08:22 AM)
One child molester two child molesters whats the difference, Although I wasnt speaking to you sir big mouth.
The new f*ck is protecting molesters also. either way they are irrelevant.
It is true that Christians have to start to be more accountable of themselves like Priests child molesters. But other people Pat Robertson or Bush who uses Christianity to exploit others for their personal gain. Just like Muslims themselves must be more accountable of themselves like people who are radicalists who use Islam as an excuse.
The worst of the problems is how the news media is so one sided about this issue, showing a bunch of angry muslims protesting rather than trying to explain the underlying message of the pope in that speech.
Post by: PhatIrishBastard on September 20, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
QUOTE(pug_ster @ Sep 20 2006, 12:37 PM)
It is true that Christians have to start to be more accountable of themselves like Priests child molesters. But other people Pat Robertson or Bush who uses Christianity to exploit others for their personal gain. Just like Muslims themselves must be more accountable of themselves like people who are radicalists who use Islam as an excuse.
The worst of the problems is how the news media is so one sided about this issue, showing a bunch of angry muslims protesting rather than trying to explain the underlying message of the pope in that speech.
Funny you took words right out of my mouth.
American leaders treat the people like cattle.
Pat Robertson states:
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12 million illegal mexican immigrants and 1 in 12 are felons or 1 million mexican felons invading U.S.
But 1 in 6 Americans are in jail or on probation/parole.
Go figure.
Bush and the likes have stirred up all this antiamerican sentiment over personal gain(money) and personal vendettas(revenge). And the american taxpayer is left to foot the bill.
The Press is an accomplice, Iraq is envoloped in all but full out civil war, and the 100 dead a week(you posted) has now been eclipsed.
I saw a news report that more Arabs have died in the last 40 years than any other ethnic group (Palestine,Iran,Iraq,Lebanon) as a result of war. Hell if I was an A-Rab, I would be a little pissy too given that fact.
Whatever happened to your buddy BCFOSHEZZY. What a tool.
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(PhatIrishBastard @ Sep 20 2006, 08:21 PM)
Bush and the likes have stirred up all this antiamerican sentiment over personal gain(money) and personal vendettas(revenge). And the american taxpayer is left to foot the bill.
The Press is an accomplice, Iraq is envoloped in all but full out civil war, and the 100 dead a week(you posted) has now been eclipsed.
I saw a news report that more Arabs have died in the last 40 years than any other ethnic group (Palestine,Iran,Iraq,Lebanon) as a result of war. Hell if I was an A-Rab, I would be a little pissy too given that fact.
Whatever happened to your buddy BCFOSHEZZY. What a tool.
I actually said an average of more than 100 a day died in Iraq as a result of violence, not in a week.
I miss BCFOSHEZZY because he probably wants proof of what we just said:)
Post by: puckSR on September 20, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
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The worst of the problems is how the news media is so one sided about this issue, showing a bunch of angry muslims protesting rather than trying to explain the underlying message of the pope in that speech.
I would actually put even more blame on Arabic news media.
They were so quick to go to print with the story that most of them failed to mention that the pope was quoting someone....
None of them carried the quotation in context of the speech....
And one of them even said he was giving a speech on "technology"....
The Arab world has been pushed into the information age, but without the discretion that the west enjoys.
People believe everything they read, but when a media outlet gets caught lying....they are vehemently attacked.
Arab news is just as trusted, except they frequently lie or twist the story to sensationalize it.....with little or no consequence....
Post by: buttface96 on September 20, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
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Post by: puckSR on September 23, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
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All in favor of nuking the entire Middle East?
All in favor of shooting every idiot like this in the foot?
Just so that he can hop around and feel actual pain before he makes any other statement that callously suggest we kill millions of people?
Post by: woofis on September 23, 2006, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Sep 23 2006, 01:25 PM)
All in favor of shooting every idiot like this in the foot?
Just so that he can hop around and feel actual pain before he makes any other statement that callously suggest we kill millions of people?
are you forgetting they killed thousands of our innocent people....
Post by: puckSR on September 23, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
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are you forgetting they killed thousands of our innocent people....
NO.....YOU BUMBLING MORON
That is exactly the reason that i DO NOT want to nuke the middle east.
Listen to wiser people than me...maybe it will sink in....
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An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world would soon be blind and toothless.-Ghandi
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You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, do not resist him who is evil; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone wants to sue you, and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. And whoever shall force you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. (Matthew 5:38-42)----Jesus
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"Love your neighbor as yourself" - Moses
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"Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you" Muhammad
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"What you do not want others to do to you, do not do to others." - Confucius
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"One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire." - Mahabharata
Golden rule....
Or better yet...plain ethics....
Let me give you a logical argument....
1. Some men kill other men
2. It is impossible to tell what man will kill another man....
3. To absolutely end murder....cause all men to cease to exist
The logic seem silly? Cause it is the same logic you are using....
Unless you begin to advocate the killing of ALL PEOPLE (and please start with yourself)....then shut the hell up
Post by: buttface96 on September 24, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Sep 23 2006, 06:17 PM)
NO.....YOU BUMBLING MORON
That is exactly the reason that i DO NOT want to nuke the middle east.
Listen to wiser people than me...maybe it will sink in....
Golden rule....
Or better yet...plain ethics....
Let me give you a logical argument....
1. Some men kill other men
2. It is impossible to tell what man will kill another man....
3. To absolutely end murder....cause all men to cease to exist
The logic seem silly? Cause it is the same logic you are using....
Unless you begin to advocate the killing of ALL PEOPLE (and please start with yourself)....then shut the hell up
Well i look at it like this, it might be wrong but its my opion: We bomb the middle east, muslims become angry/realize they are NOT the most power people in the world, and they realize that shit maybe they should respect other opinions and beliefs in this world before they go killing people of other religions.
It just seems to me what they are doing is worse than us bombing them
Post by: throwingks on September 24, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
These particular terrorists have no fear of death. The only way to incite fear in them, is to destroy their idealogy. That will not happen no matter what we do.
So, the question is, "do we destroy all people with an idealogy we don't like?"
I don't think anything we do will incite fear into these people.
If we choose to battle their idealogy then no side will ever win. Someones thought process has to change (could be ours) or an entire race or religion has to be erraticated.
Hitler already tried 1 method. It didn't work.
Post by: puckSR on September 24, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
The difference between a crazy extremist and a sane strongly religious person can be measured by the ability of that person to be reasonable.
A direct correlation can be drawn between those who have substandard education and those who embrace insane ideology.
The pope, for example, believes that reason and rational discourse on the topic is the only way to achieve a kindred relationship between the Muslims extremists and the west.
The only way to promote intellectual discourse in the middle east is to fund education. An educated population is far less likely to engage in tragic violence in support of their religion.
In the west, we could all see the irony when Muslims acted in violent ways to protest a claim that Islam was violent. The people who acted so stupidly were not aware of the irony. Perhaps if they were educated(or at least capable of reading) we would not have these problems.
This is just my idea, it may not work....but I think history and common sense support my position. The best solution for the "middle east crisis" is to create a smarter middle east....
Post by: xmedia2003 on September 24, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Sep 25 2006, 05:58 AM)
actually a solution does exist....and ironically I am going to mention this in a thread on the pope.
The difference between a crazy extremist and a sane strongly religious person can be measured by the ability of that person to be reasonable.
A direct correlation can be drawn between those who have substandard education and those who embrace insane ideology.
The pope, for example, believes that reason and rational discourse on the topic is the only way to achieve a kindred relationship between the Muslims extremists and the west.
The only way to promote intellectual discourse in the middle east is to fund education. An educated population is far less likely to engage in tragic violence in support of their religion.
In the west, we could all see the irony when Muslims acted in violent ways to protest a claim that Islam was violent. The people who acted so stupidly were not aware of the irony. Perhaps if they were educated(or at least capable of reading) we would not have these problems.
This is just my idea, it may not work....but I think history and common sense support my position. The best solution for the "middle east crisis" is to create a smarter middle east....
Stop defending child molesters.
You claim to be a deist but on your website you say catholic.
Same old Cock.
This post has been edited by xmedia2003: Sep 25 2006, 01:13 AM
Post by: puckSR on September 26, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
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You claim to be a deist but on your website you say catholic.
Unlike you I constantly question my religious faith.
Deism is a belief in the non-involvement of God in the world.
Some Deists argue for an "ant farm scenario" while other Deists argue for the "Deterministic Universe" scenario.
I fall into the "determinist" camp....so I can be both a catholic and a deist....
But that is beside the point.....
I, once again, question everything and everyone including myself. This leads to enlightenment and knowledge.
I also do not believe that my beliefs should fit my religion, but rather that my religion should fit my beliefs.
If my beliefs change(which they do on occasion) then I redefine my religion.
I have met "Church of Christ"ers that drink and party and dress up and wear makeup....
They are not "Church of Christ"ers anymore....but they still affiliate with that religion.
If you alter your beliefs, and there is another religion that has your exact new beliefs(or closer than your previous religion) then you should identify with that new religion.
If I move from Cleveland to Detroit...I dont tell people I live in Cleveland anymore. I may love cleveland, I may identify with cleveland....but I now live in detroit...
Post by: afruff23 on October 24, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
First, I would like to say I am Muslim. Second, I have read most of the surrounding text of his speech found here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict...ensburg_en.html
The gist I get from it is that violence is wrong, and he says that the Byzantine man was wrong. Arab news can be just as biased as US news. He is clearly referring to jihadists, telling them to think more rationally. If taken into context, this statement is very positive about Muslims in general. I think Arab media is mostly to blame. As for his apology, I would have done the same to stop confusion spread by the media and stop violence.
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We bomb the middle east, muslims become angry/realize they are NOT the most power people in the world, and they realize that shit maybe they should respect other opinions and beliefs in this world before they go killing people of other religions.
It just seems to me what they are doing is worse than us bombing them
It just seems to me what they are doing is worse than us bombing them
1. You bomb innocent people
2. You infuriate people even more
3. New factions are created whcih are even more anti-US
4. You're spreading a message of tolerance by specifically killing people of a certain religion
5. "what they are doing". Who's they? And precisely what are they doing. I suppose bombing is no worse than killing.
6. Most jihadists don't target a specific religion. They attack people of westernized countries. Some in Palestine target Jews, but the majority of jihadists do not.
7. Are you a foreign policy major?
This post has been edited by afruff23: Oct 24 2006, 07:44 AM
Post by: pug_ster on October 24, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(afruff23 @ Oct 24 2006, 07:14 AM)
I found it a bit funny that ignorance was misspelled.
1. You bomb innocent people
2. You infuriate people even more
3. New factions are created whcih are even more anti-US
4. You're spreading a message of tolerance by specifically killing people of a certain religion
5. "what they are doing". Who's they? And precisely what are they doing. I suppose bombing is no worse than killing.
6. Most jihadists don't target a specific religion. They attack people of westernized countries. Some in Palestine target Jews, but the majority of jihadists do not.
7. Are you a foreign policy major?
I didn't know it was misspelled:)
Yes it is unfortunate that the people who live in Iraq are collateral damage in this conflict. And sometimes we have to question Bush's sanity when he went to war in Iraq. The problem is if the end justify the means. IE, it is okay jiahadists killing innocent people just because there's a war in Iraq? It is okay for Muslims to treat the pope like that when he mis-quoted Muhammad, when radical islams don't respect Christians or Jews.