Post by: throwingks on May 05, 2006, 04:30:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on May 05, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
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I agree with you. But, immediatley 2 people come to mind. Bill Clinton hid-out in Canada so he wasn't drafted to war. And, Muhammed Ali didn't "fight" in a war because it was against his beliefs. People will always cheat the system, and people will always get away with it. Despite what certain nameless people on this board think, there is nothing you can do about it.
draft dodging is soemthing different, anyone in the military now made a conscious decision to join up, they made their own bed and now they dont want to sleep in it. fuck them
at least with clinton and ali i can hold some sympathy as the draft would have forced them into service against their will
i do however feel bad for national guardsmen being sent to iraq, the national guard was never intended to be deployed off of US soil
Post by: jha'dhur on May 05, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
QUOTE(throwingks @ May 5 2006, 06:37 AM)
I agree with you. But, immediatley 2 people come to mind. Bill Clinton hid-out in Canada so he wasn't drafted to war. And, Muhammed Ali didn't "fight" in a war because it was against his beliefs. People will always cheat the system, and people will always get away with it. Despite what certain nameless people on this board think, there is nothing you can do about it.
That is a shame...
George Bush Jr. He kind of got miracously transfered from one unit being sent to Vietnam, then he deserted his new unit when they got ordered to Vietnam.
Chaney, and Rumsfield have more medical deferements than fingers when it was there time to go.
Bill Clinton is a moron but at least he isnt a deserter.
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US oil company largest private non Vietnamese company in Vietnam.
Hmm.
Muhammed Ali, lets see go fight for the freedom, and constitution for Vietnamese but not for myself. So that some oil companies could land a stake in Vietnam.
No wonder he is the most recognized/respected persons in the world.
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If your President says your going to war, soldier the fuck up and do what you gotta do. You joined the Army/Marines/Airforce/Navy for a reason. You knew the risks. You get reminded of the risks constantly during basic training, and other courses you go on. You assume the risk that you may lay down your life for your country. Even if you disagree with whatever your countries motives are to go to war.
In the US, the military serves the constitution and not the President. No "soldier" can be forced to execute an illegal or immoral order. Abu Graib comes to recent memory.
As much distain I have for anything British at least the future king is serving in the military to pretend like he isnt some aristocrat.
@makaveli91
You go fall on your sword for the king, so his kids can drive a Bentley. Its all bullsh*t.
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The Battle Hardened Canadian ARMY.....
Post by: Arvarden on May 07, 2006, 03:32:00 AM
How could you go into Iraq and kill woman and children knowing that this war is based purely on profit and lies?
The amry's job is not to Police, we got the invasion right but unfortunatly we could not keep the peace. I wonder what it would be like here if the Police force got disbanded and the army took control of Policing duties.
The more troops that decide not to follow the lunatics is a good thing. It tells me that we arn't all sheeple people.
Post by: jha'dhur on May 07, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ May 7 2006, 05:39 AM)
The amry's job is not to Police, we got the invasion right but unfortunatly we could not keep the peace. I wonder what it would be like here if the Police force got disbanded and the army took control of Policing duties.
It is called New Orleans
Post by: makaveli91 on May 07, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ May 5 2006, 06:44 PM)
In the US, the military serves the constitution and not the President. No "soldier" can be forced to execute an illegal or immoral order. Abu Graib comes to recent memory.
@makaveli91
You go fall on your sword for the king, so his kids can drive a Bentley. Its all bullsh*t.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that your military follows the orders of your Secretary of Defense, who i assume follows orders from your president. Its the same here in Canada. We serve the voters and civilians, but take orders from our General, then through the chain of command. And yes, you are right. A soldier can't be forced against their will to execute an illegal or immoral order. Then you are looking at point of views. In the military you don't get to voice your point of view. You get told, "Ok, General Hillier has decided that we as a military are going to now do this". Then you do it. And for invading Iraq. No one REALLY knows (other than Bush) as to why you invaded. So what is so illegal or immoral about it? Civilians die in war. Its a fact. Nothing immoral about it.
BTW, Troops do have the right to not follow orders. But that leads to court marshalls, and jail time. And as a soldier, i have the utmost faith in my commanding officers. I will follow them into battle any day without question. So if i have to die for something else to thrive, at least i'm dying for something. Not a meaningless life accomplishing little or nothing at all.
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And the army doesn't necessarily want someone who will blindly follow orders. They want them to be able to think intelligently about said orders and be able to ask by the second day "Why the hell am I still digging?"
I think you have this kinda backwards. The army DOES in fact want people who will follow orders blindly, but would rather have people who can think about what they are doing. Not a cement head, that can't think on his feet when a situation changes for the worst, or something happens. The whole example was to show that you should just take your orders and execute them. When you sign up for the military you know for a fact that you WILL have to follow orders.
And as for the Canadian Army being battle hardened? We've actually only been at war with one country. Korea. And we didn't get our asses handed to us on a platter like you's did in Vietnam. I'd say we were more on the ass kicking side. We don't glorify our battles. We don't glorify killing. We have no need to. We don't care. We'd rather settle things in a more civil way if possible. I bet you couldn't guess half of the countries canada has been occupying in the past 20 years. I sure as hell had NO idea until i was acutally in the forces.
Post by: jha'dhur on May 14, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 7 2006, 08:54 PM)
Actually, I'm pretty sure that your military follows the orders of your Secretary of Defense, who i assume follows orders from your president. Its the same here in Canada.
Key word in that phrase "in Canada"
The US military is bound by an oath to the constitution, not the president or any other elected official because they change every 4-8 years. Constitution doesn't, you being Canadian you probably arent familiar with "all enemies foreign or domestic", or a right to bear arms for the day when you may need to shoot the government
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 7 2006, 08:54 PM)
And yes, you are right. A soldier can't be forced against their will to execute an illegal or immoral order. Then you are looking at point of views. In the military you don't get to voice your point of view. You get told, "Ok, General Hillier has decided that we as a military are going to now do this".
There has been several instances of reserervist questioning suicide orders and not being punsished upon review by 2nd level superiors, and then there is Abu Ghraib, they were oredered to do those things and had to fall on their swords to protect officers. As well as civilian executions caught on tape and prosecuted
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 7 2006, 08:54 PM)
And for invading Iraq. No one REALLY knows (other than Bush) as to why you invaded. So what is so illegal or immoral about it?
OIL!!!!!!
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So what is so illegal or immoral about it? Civilians die in war. Its a fact. Nothing immoral about it.
Counterproductive and at times criminal.
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 7 2006, 08:54 PM)
I will follow them into battle any day without question. So if i have to die for something else to thrive, at least i'm dying for something. Not a meaningless life accomplishing little or nothing at all.
I think you have this kinda backwards.
You watch too many movies....
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And as for the Canadian Army being battle hardened? We've actually only been at war with one country. Korea. And we didn't get our asses handed to us on a platter like you's did in Vietnam. I'd say we were more on the ass kicking side. We don't glorify our battles. We don't glorify killing. We have no need to. We don't care. We'd rather settle things in a more civil way if possible.
Whatever you say m8. I imagine having a military footprint as such as yours does lend itself to talking more (rather than fighting), and proximity to only superpower doesnt hurt either.
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I bet you couldn't guess half of the countries canada has been occupying in the past 20 years. I sure as hell had NO idea until i was acutally in the forces.
Actually, you mean Canadian forces under UN command. On UN peacekeeping missions, quite a far stretch from Canadian occupying forces on canadian missions.
Post by: jha'dhur on May 15, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 15 2006, 09:28 AM)
"Hey, I don't agree with this. Its not right". That doesn't mean that it is or isn't right. I said it was a point of view. There are extreme cases where orders are a little too outrageous to be followed. I'd do a lot for my commanding officer, but to kill myself? Thats where your common sense would have to come into play. As for the whole Abu Ghraib thing. War does a lot to a persons emotions. Which in turn makes some people think irrationally and react in stupid ways. I don't want to get into any of that though, its a different thing altogether.
Irrational doesnt equate to execution of an illegal order nor is " I was just following orders any defense"
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No one REALLY knows why Americans are in Iraq. You assume its for oil. Everyone does. Why else would they have gone. But can you say, that you are 100% sure and would bet a million dollars on it? There are always usually civilian and friendly fire casualties in war. Its a fact. Its not counterproductive. Mistakes happen. Its not good when it does happen.
You may not know.
Bechtel knows
Halliburton knows
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When your in the military you get this sense of pride. A certain confidence that you don't really get when you are a civilian doing civilian things. So when i say that you die for something, its not like you just die and are forgotten like you and a million other people will. If I'm to get killed in Afghanistan, then i'm dying trying to help the people of that country. For my country. It has nothing to do with watching movies.
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Pride Goeth before a big fall
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You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but yo can never fool all of the people all of the time
Pride is for fools, it has undone Kings, Queens and those of greater intellect than both of us.
Post by: killerbootsman on May 15, 2006, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: _iffy on May 15, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: jha'dhur on May 31, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ May 5 2006, 03:25 AM)
I turn on the news, and there is some lady from the US talking about how Canada should hold refuge for soldiers that do not wish to fight in Iraq for whatever reasons. What the hell is wrong with people nowadays? Her only point that there are currently soldiers who do not wish to go overseas as they feel their country (America) is commiting a war crime by occupying Iraq... What the HELL are these soldiers thinking? What the F*&K do they think they are getting into? When you sign up for the military, I'm not too sure how it works in the US, but in Canada you apply. Do some Intelligence and physical testing. Then you make a pledge. We pledge to the Queen that we will do whatever it takes to defend our soil, so on and so forth.. From there, you basically are at the will of your commanding officers/Generals. You make the choice to follow orders to the best of your abilites. If my Warrant (or anyone from a higher rank) tells me to dig a trench 1 meter wide, 1.5 meters deep, and to dig its length until he says stop. I'm digging all day, all night, and maybe the next day.. Until he says stop. Why? Because thats what soldiers are supposed to do. Not to bitch and complain about their orders.
If your President says your going to war, soldier the fuck up and do what you gotta do. You joined the Army/Marines/Airforce/Navy for a reason. You knew the risks. You get reminded of the risks constantly during basic training, and other courses you go on. You assume the risk that you may lay down your life for your country. Even if you disagree with whatever your countries motives are to go to war.
HADITHA
Post by: jha'dhur on June 19, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. Army has charged three soldiers in connection with the deaths of three Iraqis who were in military custody in southern Iraq last month, the military said Monday.
The Multinational Corps-Iraq said three members of 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three male detainees during an operation near Thar Thar Canal in southern Salahuddin province on May 9.
"A noncommissioned officer and two soldiers each have been charged with violating several articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice," an announcement said.
The Multinational Corps-Iraq said three members of 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three male detainees during an operation near Thar Thar Canal in southern Salahuddin province on May 9.
"A noncommissioned officer and two soldiers each have been charged with violating several articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice," an announcement said.
Source
Post by: jha'dhur on June 21, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military will charge seven Marines and a Navy corpsman with murder and other crimes in the April 26 killing of an Iraqi civilian in a village west of Baghdad, a defense official said on Wednesday.
The charges include murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, making false official statements and larceny, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the charges have not yet been announced
The charges include murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, making false official statements and larceny, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the charges have not yet been announced
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 21, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ May 15 2006, 04:41 PM)
Irrational doesnt equate to execution of an illegal order nor is " I was just following orders any defense"
You may not know.
Bechtel knows
Halliburton knows
Pride is for fools, it has undone Kings, Queens and those of greater intellect than both of us.
You seem like an intelligent fellow. I'm hoping you can explain something to me. How does this racket work? Ok so the U.S. invades Iraq... now break down for me who all benefits and how. It seems to be a rational thought but I can't figure out how it works. Thanks.
Post by: jha'dhur on June 22, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 21 2006, 04:23 PM)
You seem like an intelligent fellow. I'm hoping you can explain something to me. How does this racket work? Ok so the U.S. invades Iraq... now break down for me who all benefits and how. It seems to be a rational thought but I can't figure out how it works. Thanks.
The large international oil companies (Brtish/American) get cheap access to Iraqi oil reserves.
Iraq has the 3rd or 4th largest "known" oil reserves (given the vast majority of the country has not been explored).
Pretty much the upper echelon of the W.H is bought and paid for by big oil interests.
$70.00 barrel of oil = $350.00 of gasoline after refinement.
Wars are fought over resources, not ideology.
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 22, 2006, 07:26:00 AM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ Jun 22 2006, 08:09 AM)
The large international oil companies (Brtish/American) get cheap access to Iraqi oil reserves.
Iraq has the 3rd or 4th largest "known" oil reserves (given the vast majority of the country has not been explored).
Pretty much the upper echelon of the W.H is bought and paid for by big oil interests.
$70.00 barrel of oil = $350.00 of gasoline after refinement.
Wars are fought over resources, not ideology.
That's not exactly what I was asking. I'm asking for exactly who gains access to this cheap oil (you said people were bought and paid for... so you must know they are and who is gaining this access) I'm also asking how they get the oil and when.
Again, I'm really looking for some sort of proof instead of vague generalizations. I can't argue with my friends if I don't have a leg to stand on. Help me out.
Post by: jha'dhur on June 22, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 22 2006, 09:33 AM)
That's not exactly what I was asking. I'm asking for exactly who gains access to this cheap oil (you said people were bought and paid for... so you must know they are and who is gaining this access) I'm also asking how they get the oil and when.
Again, I'm really looking for some sort of proof instead of vague generalizations. I can't argue with my friends if I don't have a leg to stand on. Help me out.
Halliburton.
Cock Chaney is ex-CEO. Halliburton has made alot of money out of the $400 billion in no bid/ no competition contracts, fuel deliveries, troop meals. Building malls/infrastructure for troops in Iraq.
Watch the news the Iraq green zone dining hall looks like the white house banquet room. 31 flavors of ice cream.
Fraudaulent charges for "ghost"meals steak dinners.
Cost Plus
Taxpayers gotta love it.
Post by: throwingks on June 22, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
One could argue the resource was people. Converting all of those people to their religious belief.
Post by: lordvader129 on June 22, 2006, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: jha'dhur on June 23, 2006, 05:06:00 AM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ Jun 22 2006, 05:24 PM)
I disagree with this statement. Most of the worlds wars have been over religious beliefs. Or started over religious beliefs and ended with something else fueling the war fire.
WHICH ONES!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 23, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ Jun 22 2006, 09:33 AM)
Halliburton.
Cock Chaney is ex-CEO. Halliburton has made alot of money out of the $400 billion in no bid/ no competition contracts, fuel deliveries, troop meals. Building malls/infrastructure for troops in Iraq.
Watch the news the Iraq green zone dining hall looks like the white house banquet room. 31 flavors of ice cream.
Fraudaulent charges for "ghost"meals steak dinners.
Cost Plus
Taxpayers gotta love it.
Ok this is all good stuff. Now provide sources.
Post by: jha'dhur on June 27, 2006, 06:02:00 AM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ Jun 22 2006, 05:24 PM)
I disagree with this statement. Most of the worlds wars have been over religious beliefs. Or started over religious beliefs and ended with something else fueling the war fire.
We are still waiting, which ones??
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 27, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ Jun 27 2006, 07:09 AM)
We are still waiting, which ones??
We are still waiting... where's your sources?
Post by: jha'dhur on June 27, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 27 2006, 09:36 AM)
We are still waiting... where's your sources?
I dont know where you got the impression that I was having a conversation with you.
Your opinions are yours for a reason.
I am not a scout leader, teacher, or your baby sittter.
You have internet, google, and free will, learn how to debate and do your own research.
You clearly overestimate my desire to "prove" something to YOU.
@makevli 3x I am still waiting on your response.
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 27, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ Jun 27 2006, 10:01 AM)
I dont know where you got the impression that I was having a conversation with you.
Your opinions are yours for a reason.
I am not a scout leader, teacher, or your baby sittter.
You have internet, google, and free will, learn how to debate and do your own research.
You clearly overestimate my desire to "prove" something to YOU.
@makevli 3x I am still waiting on your response.
You know it's funny that you make all these blind statements and preach them as grail but when asked to provide sources you throw a putdown. That's typical. You were speaking to me as the previous posts reflect. I was either expecting this reaction or for you to post links to a left-wing spin wagon site rather than a credible news source. All you do on here is post slanderous points of view and play partisan politics. It's about time you people stop worrying about what is best for your particular party but what is best for the country. All you do is slam the government for this or that but you never propose what YOU would do. You don't have any ideas you just want to criticize others in hopes that people will believe you and you'll sway their vote in the elections to come.
Post by: jha'dhur on June 27, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 27 2006, 12:15 PM)
You know it's funny that you make all these blind statements and preach them as grail but when asked to provide sources you throw a putdown. That's typical. You were speaking to me as the previous posts reflect. I was either expecting this reaction or for you to post links to a left-wing spin wagon site rather than a credible news source. All you do on here is post slanderous points of view and play partisan politics. It's about time you people stop worrying about what is best for your particular party but what is best for the country. All you do is slam the government for this or that but you never propose what YOU would do. You don't have any ideas you just want to criticize others in hopes that people will believe you and you'll sway their vote in the elections to come.
Yeah, I came to PNR on xbox-scene to persuade you bunch of cack swabs to vote for party X.
WOW, you figured me out.
You know what I am really Hillary Clinton in disguise.
Would you believe ,I have a Cindy Sheehan tattoo also.
I hate Bill O Reilley.
Michael Moore is my father.
F*ing get a life.
P.S. The name of this thread is war dodgers/defetors. Not argue 5 year old BS with the new prick. Thats been covered on the news, print and blogs 1000X.
Post by: BCfosheezy on June 27, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(jha'dhur @ Jun 27 2006, 12:52 PM)
Yeah, I came to PNR on xbox-scene to persuade you bunch of cack swabs to vote for party X.
WOW, you figured me out.
You know what I am really Hillary Clinton in disguise.
Would you believe ,I have a Cindy Sheehan tattoo also.
I hate Bill O Reilley.
Michael Moore is my father.
F*ing get a life.
P.S. The name of this thread is war dodgers/defetors. Not argue 5 year old BS with the new prick. Thats been covered on the news, print and blogs 1000X.
Well it's obvious, if you don't come on here to convince people then you wouldn't spit your bs all over the place? You obviously arleady think the things you do so why post 'em if not for other's benefit? So there's nothing to "figure out".
If there was a line for people needing to get a life no doubt I'd be in it since I'm posting in a Xbox forum discussing politics. I just began posting in this section but I see you've splattered your cockamamy bs and racism throughout. I'm not sure I can see up the get a life line far enough to see where you're at. Everything you discuss has been covered 1000x but yet you still discuss IT. Why now do you decide you're above talking about it? It's probably because in those 1000x before it, the SAME claims you made were made but since there was no PROOF or evidence the argument is mute. If the things you say were factual and able to be proven the people you have implicated would be behind bars. The fact is you're going on blind speculation and you KNOW it. THat's why you can't provide sources for your outlandish claims.
Post by: jha'dhur on June 28, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ Jun 27 2006, 10:17 PM)
World War 1. Source.
World War 2 being a matter of opinion. It was territorial at the start. Obviously there would be resources included with territories occupied, but i believe that the initial idea was to take back what was taken from Germany. I'm not a history buff, I'm not to up on it.
What about the Palestinians and Israeli relations? It may not be considered a war in terms of our world war definition or anything. But its been going on for many years. It's over religeous beliefs. The american civil war wasn't over resources. And i'm sure there are a million other civil wars that were over something stupid other than resources.
I believe that wars are more a push for power than a push for resources.. But thats my opinion.
And no offense to anyone, but i do have a life. I have field training. I've been IN the field all fucking weekend... So i have better things to do than sit here and reply to your posts. I admit that i should have explained my reasons why i said what i said. It was more of a quick quip than anything.
Your interpretation of the source you provided is lacking.
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On June 28, 1914, Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the heir to the Austrian throne, in Sarajevo. Princip was a member of Young Bosnia, a group whose aims included the unification of the South Slavs and independence from Austria (see also: the Black Hand). The assassination in Sarajevo set into motion a series of fast-moving events that escalated into a full-scale war. However, the reasons behind the conflict are multiple and complex. Historians and political scientists have grappled with this question for nearly a century without reaching a consensus.
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This “official” explanation appeared in Article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, often referred to as the War Guilt Clause. The argument was based on the fact that Austria attacked Serbia on July 29, 1914 and Germany invaded Belgium on August 3.[2]Thus, the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires were the initial aggressors and therefore, held responsible for the war. German academics such as Fritz Fischer, Imanuel Geiss, Hans-Ulrich Wehler, Wolfgang Mommsen and V.R. Berghahn have all promoted this thesis in the post-World War II period. Fischer contended that Germany wanted to control most of Europe or, at the very least, unite it economically through Germany. However, as he points out, diplomatic efforts to do so had often centered around Anglo-Germanic cooperation, not war.
Where does religion come into play?
When you do a search for the word religion on doc there are no hits.
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ Jun 27 2006, 10:17 PM)
What about the Palestinians and Israeli relations?
Simply cowboys and indians, religion is only the rallying cry. We want your land give it to us we buy guns from the americans. If the americans didnt hedge the Eurealis it would be a nonissue, becuase they wouldnt have military advantage.
QUOTE(makaveli91 @ Jun 27 2006, 10:17 PM)
Obviously there would be resources included with territories occupied, but i believe that the initial idea was to take back what was taken from Germany. I'm not a history buff, I'm not to up on it.
HMM.....
Land = oil
Land = crops
Land = Uranium
Land = Aluminum
Land = Gold
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It's over religeous beliefs. The american civil war wasn't over resources. And i'm sure there are a million other civil wars that were over something stupid other than resources.
Funny, I thought american civil war was over slavery economics, Southern economy (mostly US) was based on agricultural industry. The North didnt wasnt wedged in land based economics so abolition wasnt a big decision.
The south decided to leave union, coerced by the British who were still trying to keep hold of Americas.
This replayed today in context of Mexican issue, as well as Asian modern slavery, I buy electronics or whatever from China, Taiwan for $10.00 and sell for $200.00.
Thats why your leaders dont want immigration reform or round up illegals they make to much money from it.
And you american blue collar middle class financially suffers from new age slavery.
You amuse me with your rhetoric, people dont change or evolve we are still doing the same things they did 1000 years ago only doing them with differing approaches.
You can pull up a bible verse written 2000 years ago and the moral of the story still resonates today.
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I believe that wars are more a push for power than a push for resources.. But thats my opinion
You only prove my point regarding the Canadian military, you might want to study military strategy. You cant fight a war with out a supply lines (i.e oil, food, raw materials)
Why do you think the roads from airport in Iraq are so dangerous, they represent the supply lines.
I cant fight when im hungry.
My humvee doesnt run on air.
Bullets dont magically appear.
P.S. I hope you have seen the light regarding illegal orders, given the number of soldiers/marines indicted for murder since you started this "macho" tirade.
Post by: John Deadly on July 01, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(throwingks @ May 5 2006, 06:37 AM)
I agree with you. But, immediatley 2 people come to mind. Bill Clinton hid-out in Canada so he wasn't drafted to war. And, Muhammed Ali didn't "fight" in a war because it was against his beliefs. People will always cheat the system, and people will always get away with it. Despite what certain nameless people on this board think, there is nothing you can do about it.
you forgot to mention that coward George W Bush who hid out in the national guard to avoid combat, and his coward boyfriend Dick Cheney who got 5 deferments.
Post by: jha'dhur on July 05, 2006, 05:28:00 AM
QUOTE(John Deadly @ Jul 1 2006, 10:07 AM)
you forgot to mention that coward George W Bush who hid out in the national guard to avoid combat, and his coward boyfriend Dick Cheney who got 5 deferments.
Actually, Bush's daddy got him move to a different state/unit when his unit was sent to killing fields, then when that unit got activated he just went awoll.
Chaney and Rumsfield both have more deferements than fingers.
Cundalingus has the biggest balls out of the whole chicken dinner.