Post by: Xbox-Scene on December 19, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
Xbox Modders Charged with Copyright Crime
Post by: Stripes on December 19, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
This post has been edited by Stripes: Dec 20 2005, 04:55 AM
Post by: prankfurter on December 19, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: kidkinetix on December 19, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
Not quite as bad as the guys selling a modded xbox out of a store window. Still foolish.
Post by: PhatIrishBastard on December 19, 2005, 09:09:00 PM
I wonder how long before they seriously move on to sites like this one and the others on net much like the cable industry did with the original black box.
Post by: jimk72 on December 19, 2005, 09:11:00 PM
LOL
Why would they even add the 77 games. Thats just asking to be thrown in jail. Yep and they sell the stuff, you would think they of all people would know better! They are hurting their own industry for a quick buck. All this after they already busted the one store you think the others that were doing it would think twice.
Post by: jer_stud56 on December 19, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
Also in response to jimk72 - adding 77 games makes the people that buy them not have to think how to get them, and makes more of a show that they can do that to the "un-sceney" people.
Post by: jimk72 on December 19, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: mckenn88 on December 19, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
btw stripes ur sig made me laugh 
Post by: Loto_Bak on December 19, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: robgue on December 19, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
i bought a dvd drive off of him not too long ago. nice guy.
as is said above it should be and is as far i know legal to mod the xbox. just not copy games you don't own.
This post has been edited by robgue: Dec 20 2005, 05:51 AM
Post by: ShyGuy91284 on December 19, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on December 19, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
I've sold a LOT of modded Xboxes, but I've never gone as far as to put games on em, or sell em in a retail store. Stupid.
In my installs it's more like "OK, here's DVD2Xbox, but what you do with it is your own thing, aight?"
Just gotta stay smart, people.
Post by: tango65536 on December 19, 2005, 11:08:00 PM
Selling a modded box with 77 games is freak'n nuts! Unless they were somehow imaging the drives at there store that must of taken FOREVER to copy all those dvd's to the hd.. damn!
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Post by: cyberg4 on December 19, 2005, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: xmodem on December 20, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
but can anyone else here say: "ENTRAPMENT"?
"A defense to criminal charges alleging that agents of the government induced a person to commit a crime he or she otherwise would not have committed."
http://www.google.co...fine:entrapment
Post by: DeliriousAmI on December 20, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: anttimonty on December 20, 2005, 01:19:00 AM
Thats like something you get from a rape... Half a year should be fine if any... or just a BIG ticket.
Post by: r50la on December 20, 2005, 01:31:00 AM
we'll be there for ya bro
Post by: MetalMickey on December 20, 2005, 01:37:00 AM
Nonsense. They face the charges for distributing pirated games, which gets one line later in the story.
Post by: cONEction on December 20, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: deanrparry on December 20, 2005, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: sentinel0 on December 20, 2005, 04:38:00 AM
Post by: Phizzy on December 20, 2005, 06:28:00 AM
I don't know, several years ago thousands of people were buying smart card readers in order to hack their DirecTV access cards in order to received free programming. Because smart card readers truly have many legitimate and legal uses, these people thought they were safe. However, tens of thousands of these people have received demand letters from DirecTV asking for damages (minimum $3500), and thousands have been sued. As I already stated, smart card readers are legal. DirecTV, though, is making assumptions that these people are pirating their signal based on where they purchased the smart card reader (such as sites that discuss pirating the signal) or based on the fact that they bought a smart card reader and participated in forums discussing pirating DirecTV's signal or simply based on the the fact that they bought a smart card reader and are customers of DirectTV. Obviously, these are somewhat wild assumptions, and the demand letters and lawsuits are BS. It hasn't stopped DirecTV from collecting $millions, though. More info, see forums under DTV Legal Info.
Post by: cONEction on December 20, 2005, 07:23:00 AM
I don't know, several years ago thousands of people were buying smart card readers in order to hack their DirecTV access cards in order to received free programming. Because smart card readers truly have many legitimate and legal uses, these people thought they were safe. However, tens of thousands of these people have received demand letters from DirecTV asking for damages (minimum $3500), and thousands have been sued. As I already stated, smart card readers are legal. DirecTV, though, is making assumptions that these people are pirating their signal based on where they purchased the smart card reader (such as sites that discuss pirating the signal) or based on the fact that they bought a smart card reader and participated in forums discussing pirating DirecTV's signal or simply based on the the fact that they bought a smart card reader and are customers of DirectTV. Obviously, these are somewhat wild assumptions, and the demand letters and lawsuits are BS. It hasn't stopped DirecTV from collecting $millions, though. More info, see forums under DTV Legal Info.
I dont know anything about DirectTV, I think thats the difference between US and Europe, in Europe there is no way company's like DirectTV can sue anyone and there is no way you can get busted for modding XBOXs, The only thing you can get busted for is for selling pirated games and working without paying taxes
Post by: blagmaster on December 20, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
Hmm, that sucks.
I've sold a LOT of modded Xboxes, but I've never gone as far as to put games on em, or sell em in a retail store. Stupid.
In my installs it's more like "OK, here's DVD2Xbox, but what you do with it is your own thing, aight?"
Just gotta stay smart, people.
YOU PIRATE:O
You are modding Xboxes and putting XDK compiled software on it, that's illegal man.
Post by: damam on December 20, 2005, 09:01:00 AM
Hmm, that sucks.
I've sold a LOT of modded Xboxes, but I've never gone as far as to put games on em, or sell em in a retail store. Stupid.
In my installs it's more like "OK, here's DVD2Xbox, but what you do with it is your own thing, aight?"
Just gotta stay smart, people.
I dont even go as far as installing anything with XDK. I install the chip with legal bios and hard drive (thats only been wiped). Then I give them very easy to follow printouts off the web of what they can do with it if they like. Generally speaking people can get there stuff up and going with the instructions. Ive had a couple people get pissed off at me, at which point I just shrug and say ill take back the chip and HDD free of charge. Usually they say "no no Ill figure it out." It may be paranoia, but Im not going to risk going to jail, especially now that Im a mom. And you never know when M$ will start cracking down on its compiler. The funniest part is that modding xbox is soooooo easy compared to other consoles it suprises me that people actually hire me to do it. A suckers born every . . . what? . . . nano second these days.
Post by: BlackRanger3d on December 20, 2005, 09:13:00 AM
I don't know, several years ago thousands of people were buying smart card readers in order to hack their DirecTV access cards in order to received free programming. Because smart card readers truly have many legitimate and legal uses, these people thought they were safe. However, tens of thousands of these people have received demand letters from DirecTV asking for damages (minimum $3500), and thousands have been sued. As I already stated, smart card readers are legal. DirecTV, though, is making assumptions that these people are pirating their signal based on where they purchased the smart card reader (such as sites that discuss pirating the signal) or based on the fact that they bought a smart card reader and participated in forums discussing pirating DirecTV's signal or simply based on the the fact that they bought a smart card reader and are customers of DirectTV. Obviously, these are somewhat wild assumptions, and the demand letters and lawsuits are BS. It hasn't stopped DirecTV from collecting $millions, though. More info, see forums under DTV Legal Info.
The main reason that this kind of lawsuit works is that "most" people would rather pay the fine then take a change with hiring an uber expensive lawyer.
And selling the games was just stupid.
Post by: webslinginwr22 on December 20, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
Do you not realise that you are still using pirated software in you emulator. people have actually been busted for installing emulators with roms as well. there is no difference between copying the latest Xbox game of copying a 10 year old game in the eyes of the law. Might be legal if you have a copy of the cartridge in the cupboard but how many of us have a couple of hundred cartridges in the cupboard to cover us for all those roms we have installed.
I remember reading or seeing on the news not too long ago that emulators and roms were legal since those games arent being produced anymore. I dont remember where i read that so dont hold me to it.
Post by: JoBlo69 on December 20, 2005, 10:40:00 AM
I am not worried at all that M$ is going to hunt little old me down for ripping off a few grand in xbox games over the last few years... but i guess if M$ wants to make an example out of me they could with out a problem...
All im saying is that M$ knows everyone and there grandma eather knows how or has a modded xbox...
M$ as this thing called preception that they are trying to use on the public... and its working... they really dont care that "JoBlo" has a modded xbox, all they want to do is bust the dumb shits that are to retardd to figure out the right way to sell modded xbox's...
I have been selling and modding xbox's for the last 2 years... and its bringing in over twice as much as my 4 year degree in CS...
Post by: xboxhaxorz on December 20, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: PhatIrishBastard on December 20, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
Stop posting this kind of news with that stupid title , there is no fucking way one can be charged with crime when modding XBOXs, he is actually charged for selling games, this kind of news spread toward the world saying modifying xbox is illegal, and you can go to prison , thats bullshit. and people actually believe that stuff
Technically anything that can circumvent DMCA is illegal period.......
i.e Modchip, hacked bios....
The dollar value associated with 77 games now thats the kicker
Anything compiled with XDK is illegal (i.e 99 % of xbox apps,software etc.)
Marijuana is only illegal out in the open.....
Post by: WolfPac_Ite on December 21, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
I remember reading or seeing on the news not too long ago that emulators and roms were legal since those games arent being produced anymore. I dont remember where i read that so dont hold me to it.
The emulators are legal, the ROMs are not. Piracy means stealing someones [hard] work, no matter how old it is. Whether it be the people who started the company, or the developers themselves, and all the way down to used game sellers.