Post by: killerbootsman on October 28, 2005, 06:44:00 AM
Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 28, 2005, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Oct 28 2005, 03:27 PM)
Iran is a progressive democratic country...except for its crazy ass leaders. Whenever students demonstrate or protest, they are shot on site. Their leaders are the crazy ones.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
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Why do you always resort to sarcasm and slander? And no, native americans are not shot in my home state...I am part cherokee, so don't even go there stud.
Why are you so anti-american? If you don't like it here, why don't you move to a middle eastern country, I'm sure you would fit right in...American the devil...America the invaders....America the problem causers. Why are you so jaded and so hateful? We live in a great country, one with problems, but not as much as so as you would like. I will never understand why people like you are the way you are. It must be some traumatic childhood experience where you were raped by a sexual predator in an uncle sam suit.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 28, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 28 2005, 10:00 AM)
I am sure people protesting for civil rights were never abused in your home state,
huh statcowboy. Or that there were not any natives shot on site for protesting or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, O Rightous One.
huh statcowboy. Or that there were not any natives shot on site for protesting or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, O Rightous One.
Why do you always resort to sarcasm and slander? And no, native americans are not shot in my home state...I am part cherokee, so don't even go there stud.
Why are you so anti-american? If you don't like it here, why don't you move to a middle eastern country, I'm sure you would fit right in...American the devil...America the invaders....America the problem causers. Why are you so jaded and so hateful? We live in a great country, one with problems, but not as much as so as you would like. I will never understand why people like you are the way you are. It must be some traumatic childhood experience where you were raped by a sexual predator in an uncle sam suit.
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 28, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Oct 28 2005, 07:35 PM)
Why do you always resort to sarcasm and slander? And no, native americans are not shot in my home state...I am part cherokee, so don't even go there stud.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
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As I'm as much Cherokee as you are Irish....and if you think God is sending everyone non-jewish to hell, don't fret I have good news for you, it's called the new testament. I know I'm not going to hell, do you?
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 28, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
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I always have constructive critiscism of our perverse society.
Statecowboy, who now claims to really be an indian, was just saying how the reservations were so fucking great yada yada and now he is Cherokee. I am throwing the BS flag. StateIndian is insulting my intelligence with his bullshit.
Dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.
Its funny when the gentiles besieged Israel and Judah, the tribes stated that gentiles were not meant to meet with salvation. John the only gentile of the apostles was meet with apprhension because he was a gentile by hiss fellow apostles.
Complain, complain complain. I swear. The only time you dont fight amongst yourselves is when your greed motivates you to subvert other cultures. Then you return to fighting amongst each other over the spoils of never ending war and aggression. You only proves assholes like Bin Laden correct.
Salvation is earned not given. The lamb shall return as the lion. And the blood of the innocent shall be avenged by GOD.
Pride Goeth Before Destruction
My respect for "christians" has reached a new all time low. I dont know whats worst a fake christian or a fake indian.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 28 2005, 05:43 PM)
Sure you are.
As I'm as much Cherokee as you are Irish....and if you think God is sending everyone non-jewish to hell, don't fret I have good news for you, it's called the new testament. I know I'm not going to hell, do you?
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 28, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
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Xmedia, do you ever have anything constructive to say? Or do you just want to find a new way to piss people off?
I always have constructive critiscism of our perverse society.
Statecowboy, who now claims to really be an indian, was just saying how the reservations were so fucking great yada yada and now he is Cherokee. I am throwing the BS flag. StateIndian is insulting my intelligence with his bullshit.
Dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.
Its funny when the gentiles besieged Israel and Judah, the tribes stated that gentiles were not meant to meet with salvation. John the only gentile of the apostles was meet with apprhension because he was a gentile by hiss fellow apostles.
Complain, complain complain. I swear. The only time you dont fight amongst yourselves is when your greed motivates you to subvert other cultures. Then you return to fighting amongst each other over the spoils of never ending war and aggression. You only proves assholes like Bin Laden correct.
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Why would a loving God, like Jesus, ever condemn people to hell? Especially for the sins of their blood. This was actually condemned by Jesus.
He also loved everyone...especially the sinners, so why would he want to "cast them down into hell".
He also loved everyone...especially the sinners, so why would he want to "cast them down into hell".
Salvation is earned not given. The lamb shall return as the lion. And the blood of the innocent shall be avenged by GOD.
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I have some great news for everyone...there is no hell..
Pride Goeth Before Destruction
My respect for "christians" has reached a new all time low. I dont know whats worst a fake christian or a fake indian.
Post by: Statecowboy on October 28, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 28 2005, 08:17 PM)
Salvation is earned not given.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 29, 2005, 07:48:00 AM
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First off prick it's fucking ASS not ARSE you aren't from the fucking UK so fuck off with that, fucking cunt.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: puckSR on October 29, 2005, 10:44:00 AM
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LOL, actually I think i just found out that statecowboy is one of those guys who is 1/32 native. LOL
Im cherokee as well, but my name is not on the Dawes rolls. Lets just say that my relatives were so scared that they would wind up back on the reservation(really nice places huh) that they lied, and claimed they were mexican(at least i think thats what it was).
Sorry for the lil biography, but thats part of the reason that statecowboys remarks pissed me off so much. My family had such a fear of the government, that when they asked them if they were cherokee and offered to give them some reparations that they flat out lied(which is really funny, since no one in my family looks hispanic) and continued to lie, just to avoid being violated again.
I cant believe that Statecowboy actually claimed that the reservations were what we had "given back to the Indians". Yeah, just like the Germans gave the Jews back small plots of land during world war II called concentration camps.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
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Post by: xmedia2004 on October 29, 2005, 07:48:00 AM
QUOTE(TheLovingSoundsofStatic @ Oct 29 2005, 09:42 AM)
First off prick it's fucking ASS not ARSE you aren't from the fucking UK so fuck off with that, fucking cunt. Post by: puckSR on October 29, 2005, 10:44:00 AM
Im cherokee as well, but my name is not on the Dawes rolls. Lets just say that my relatives were so scared that they would wind up back on the reservation(really nice places huh) that they lied, and claimed they were mexican(at least i think thats what it was).
Sorry for the lil biography, but thats part of the reason that statecowboys remarks pissed me off so much. My family had such a fear of the government, that when they asked them if they were cherokee and offered to give them some reparations that they flat out lied(which is really funny, since no one in my family looks hispanic) and continued to lie, just to avoid being violated again.
I cant believe that Statecowboy actually claimed that the reservations were what we had "given back to the Indians". Yeah, just like the Germans gave the Jews back small plots of land during world war II called concentration camps.
Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Oct 29 2005, 12:55 PM)
LOL, actually I think i just found out that statecowboy is one of those guys who is 1/32 native. LOL
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: TheLovingSoundsofStatic on October 29, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
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Post by: TheLovingSoundsofStatic on October 29, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 29 2005, 03:59 PM)
You obviusly dont have anything of substance to contribute, in fact you are somewhat boring but I am sure you already know this, I imagine your lack of charm coupled with your lack of testicular fortitude, and low IQ I might add.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: thewickedjester on October 29, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong...as I most likely am, as I dont read the bible and havent done much study-ing on the subject. But I beleive it states somewhere in Christain beleif that all people are born with original sin. And you have to cleanse your soul of this by bassically just being a good person and living as a good Christian. So I have to agree with you xmedia, Salvation is earned not given, its a privilege not a right. Now I'm not Christian and I dont beleive in hell so I could care less, hehe. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I heard this off South Park
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: lordvader129 on October 29, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 29, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
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Salvation is earned not given.
Correct me if I'm wrong...as I most likely am, as I dont read the bible and havent done much study-ing on the subject. But I beleive it states somewhere in Christain beleif that all people are born with original sin. And you have to cleanse your soul of this by bassically just being a good person and living as a good Christian. So I have to agree with you xmedia, Salvation is earned not given, its a privilege not a right. Now I'm not Christian and I dont beleive in hell so I could care less, hehe. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I heard this off South Park
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: lordvader129 on October 29, 2005, 07:58:00 PM
QUOTE(thewickedjester @ Oct 29 2005, 08:56 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong...as I most likely am, as I dont read the bible and havent done much study-ing on the subject. But I beleive it states somewhere in Christain beleif that all people are born with original sin. And you have to cleanse your soul of this by bassically just being a good person and living as a good Christian. So I have to agree with you xmedia, Salvation is earned not given, its a privilege not a right. Now I'm not Christian and I dont beleive in hell so I could care less, hehe. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I heard this off South Park
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
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2 Timothy 3:15 (New International Version)
15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Most mainstream Christian beliefs focus on salvation by faith, not works. The belief stems from the theory that we can never make up for the sin of man, therfor God sent his son Jesus to bare the burdon of the world. By accepting that Jesus died for the sins of man, one has been reconciled with God the Father. I hope this clears your question up.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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2 Timothy 3:15 (New International Version)
15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Most mainstream Christian beliefs focus on salvation by faith, not works. The belief stems from the theory that we can never make up for the sin of man, therfor God sent his son Jesus to bare the burdon of the world. By accepting that Jesus died for the sins of man, one has been reconciled with God the Father. I hope this clears your question up.
Sorry for the doulbe post...
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: thewickedjester on October 29, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
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Yes it does, thanks.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 30, 2005, 01:15:00 AM
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Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Most mainstream Christian beliefs focus on salvation by faith, not works. The belief stems from the theory that we can never make up for the sin of man, therfor God sent his son Jesus to bare the burdon of the world. By accepting that Jesus died for the sins of man, one has been reconciled with God the Father. I hope this clears your question up.
Post by: Statecowboy on October 29, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Most mainstream Christian beliefs focus on salvation by faith, not works. The belief stems from the theory that we can never make up for the sin of man, therfor God sent his son Jesus to bare the burdon of the world. By accepting that Jesus died for the sins of man, one has been reconciled with God the Father. I hope this clears your question up.
Sorry for the doulbe post...
Post by: thewickedjester on October 29, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
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I hope this clears your question up.
Yes it does, thanks.
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 30, 2005, 01:15:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 30 2005, 04:09 AM)
the concept of being born into "original sin" varies from denomination to denomination, but the idea that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god is universal among christians
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 30, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on October 30, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 30 2005, 04:26 AM)
You wonder why I pick on you. Let me see I can kill all the native americans I want and still go to heaven, or better yet I can molest little boys as long as I show up for sunday service everything is kosher huh, stateindian.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: puckSR on October 30, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
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All in all, civilized discourse went down the drain a long time ago guys. That is made abundantly clear in reading xmedia's posts. Ah well, have fun in your world of hate.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 30, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
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I dont worship the graven image of Mary nor do I like little boys.
Not judging only repeating what the KJV of christian bible states.
Bullshit
Source
Source
I know you really think I just talk out of my ass just for the hell of it Puck sucker
and Stateindian. The qoutes above are from the book of James 2:14 - 2:18
Revelation 2:19
I have forgotten more about the bible than the both of you know of it combined.
P.S. Thanks stateindian for forcing me to look up pretty much what I had been saying the last 6 posts. You illustrate the real problem with so called christians you dont know the fucking bible.
Anymore questions class.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on October 30, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
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Post by: puckSR on October 30, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
All in all, civilized discourse went down the drain a long time ago guys. That is made abundantly clear in reading xmedia's posts. Ah well, have fun in your world of hate.
Post by: xmedia2004 on October 30, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
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if one was to assume your religious views, they would most closely resemble that of catholics.
I dont worship the graven image of Mary nor do I like little boys.
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Second, I never said anything about showing up to Sunday school as part of salvation. Nowhere in the bible does it say that you muist go to church to become reconciled with God. And yes, I do believe that people who lead seemingly evil lives, and attone for their sin and have a TRUE transformation of heart and mind and put their faith in God can go to heaven. Who are you to judge and condemn someone to an eternity outside of Heaven?
Not judging only repeating what the KJV of christian bible states.
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Most mainstream Christian beliefs focus on salvation by faith, not works.
Bullshit
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What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
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Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
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Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Source
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Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Source
I know you really think I just talk out of my ass just for the hell of it Puck sucker
and Stateindian. The qoutes above are from the book of James 2:14 - 2:18
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I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last [to be] more than the first
Revelation 2:19
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Xmedia, your absolute ignorance on the topic of religion is scary. You have made multiple, multiple jokes about Catholicism,
I have forgotten more about the bible than the both of you know of it combined.
P.S. Thanks stateindian for forcing me to look up pretty much what I had been saying the last 6 posts. You illustrate the real problem with so called christians you dont know the fucking bible.
Anymore questions class.
Post by: Statecowboy on October 30, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Oct 30 2005, 09:46 PM)
Anymore questions class.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 02, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
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Post by: xmedia2004 on November 02, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Oct 31 2005, 04:28 AM)
Sure just one...what about the new testament? The historical documentation of the life and times of Jesus Christ? You know, the whole reason salvation by Faith is possible? Perhaps you left that out when you google searched faith by works. You do not know the bible. if you knew the bible, you would not treat others the way you do and say the hateful things you do.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 02, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on November 02, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Nov 2 2005, 08:46 PM)
I know stateindian nevermind the truth if you repeat that BS 5x that makes it true.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 03, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on November 03, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Nov 4 2005, 01:26 AM)
Neither one of you really knows what your talking about
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 05, 2005, 09:52:00 AM
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Post by: xmedia2004 on November 05, 2005, 09:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Nov 3 2005, 04:25 AM)
Resort to the same old tactics xmedia...name calling and strecthing theories. True colors shining through.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
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Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Nov 5 2005, 11:59 AM)
Yeah I now, since I pretty much sunk your " faith without works " boat, not much remains.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: puckSR on November 05, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
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hey xmedia, you are you seriously still bringing up the fact that i said i can tell the future? Your an idiot.
I was remarking on my beliefs in a causal universe, not claiming divine powers. LMAO
You really are just an angry little man...but good attempt at trying to get me out of the conversation, since you know that i will challenge every bullshit claim you make about particular religions. You also know that i will challenge you whenever you fucking lie, which you do on a regular basis...
You two(xmedia & Statecowboy) still think about religion like children.
StateCowboy-you dont think "works" get you into heaven. Isnt "knowing and believing in Jesus" technically an action...a work. You think your actions get you into heaven just like xmedia. You just dont think helping people matters, you just think you have to study more....
Xmedia-Actions alone can not possibly get you into heaven. Even the legal system does not believe in an act as an absolute. Intent matters too. Your just a psuedo-catholic Xmedia. The funny thing...you hate catholics....LOL
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: YourEyesAreLikeUFOs on November 05, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
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Post by: puckSR on November 05, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
I was remarking on my beliefs in a causal universe, not claiming divine powers. LMAO
You really are just an angry little man...but good attempt at trying to get me out of the conversation, since you know that i will challenge every bullshit claim you make about particular religions. You also know that i will challenge you whenever you fucking lie, which you do on a regular basis...
You two(xmedia & Statecowboy) still think about religion like children.
StateCowboy-you dont think "works" get you into heaven. Isnt "knowing and believing in Jesus" technically an action...a work. You think your actions get you into heaven just like xmedia. You just dont think helping people matters, you just think you have to study more....
Xmedia-Actions alone can not possibly get you into heaven. Even the legal system does not believe in an act as an absolute. Intent matters too. Your just a psuedo-catholic Xmedia. The funny thing...you hate catholics....LOL
Post by: YourEyesAreLikeUFOs on November 05, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(moisty_ @ Nov 5 2005, 08:42 PM)
I quite agree, and would furthermore like to state that xmeagre sucks the unwashed cock! 
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 02:58:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Nov 5 2005, 04:53 PM)
StateCowboy-you dont think "works" get you into heaven. Isnt "knowing and believing in Jesus" technically an action...a work. You think your actions get you into heaven just like xmedia. You just dont think helping people matters, you just think you have to study more....
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: puckSR on November 05, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
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kid, you dont believe in physical actions
but you still believe in actions
faith is an action, because you have control over it, and choose to "do" it.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
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Post by: puckSR on November 05, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
but you still believe in actions
faith is an action, because you have control over it, and choose to "do" it.
Post by: Statecowboy on November 05, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Nov 5 2005, 05:06 PM)
kid, you dont believe in physical actions
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 05, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
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Post by: xmedia2004 on November 05, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Nov 5 2005, 11:12 PM)
Look...I understand that what you're trying to do and I think you understand what I'm saying. So let's not get lost in semantics. Circular debates aren't very constructive to either argument. I am saying that faith is the only thing you need in order to get in Heaven, faith in Christ Jesus. XMedia is saying that works are how you get in Heaven...numerous accountable works. There is a difference and I know that you're smart enough to see that. And I doubt you're older than me, but if you insist on calling me a kid please feel free.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: lordvader129 on November 05, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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thats only in the old testament, peopel dont realize that the way god operated in the old tetament (when the hebrews were his chosen people) is compeltely different than the way he runs things after jesus (for the christians)
god, jesus and angels dont come to earth anymore, they dont bring messges to people, test good will, and they certainly dont appear in tortillas and stains on the wall
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 06, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
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Post by: lordvader129 on November 05, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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The CHRISTIAN bible says that god sends his angles out to test humanity, as poor
and beggars.
and beggars.
thats only in the old testament, peopel dont realize that the way god operated in the old tetament (when the hebrews were his chosen people) is compeltely different than the way he runs things after jesus (for the christians)
god, jesus and angels dont come to earth anymore, they dont bring messges to people, test good will, and they certainly dont appear in tortillas and stains on the wall
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 06, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Nov 6 2005, 02:21 AM)
thats only in the old testament, peopel dont realize that the way god operated in the old tetament (when the hebrews were his chosen people) is compeltely different than the way he runs things after jesus (for the christians)
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: Statecowboy on November 06, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
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Post by: Statecowboy on November 06, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(xmedia2004 @ Nov 5 2005, 07:19 PM)
Complacency and indifference will land you a front row seat in HELL.
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: xmedia2004 on November 15, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
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Post by: xmedia2004 on November 15, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
QUOTE(puckSR @ Nov 6 2005, 11:20 PM)
Statecowboy, you obviously dont understand the point
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Title: Iran Vs Israel
Post by: puckSR on November 15, 2005, 12:48:00 AM
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Wow, so God...loving, kind, Jesus killed millions of native people who had never even heard of Jesus and were obviously skeptical...he did that because he is a dickhead?
The God you worship is an asshole Xmedia, if you believe he killed the native people
Besides, how did the Americans transgress against God's laws?
Post by: puckSR on November 15, 2005, 12:48:00 AM
The God you worship is an asshole Xmedia, if you believe he killed the native people
Besides, how did the Americans transgress against God's laws?