Post by: Cyclone268 on July 07, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
A series of bombs went off in Londin England killing hundreds
I was going to be on one of those trains that blew up today
i am very happy to still have my life
Post by: .:Dino:. on July 07, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: chilin_dude on July 07, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: Statecowboy on July 07, 2005, 08:56:00 AM
If you're from London, my deepest sympathies...I apologize for lashing out, but I have no compasasion for immoral cowards who murder innocent people because they can't fight like real men.
Post by: pug_ster on July 07, 2005, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on July 07, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
Anyone have any idea how bad it was
Post by: LepPpeR on July 07, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
It is truly pathetic that they strike the citizens. It truly does not help their cause as it just infuriates the people who then turn to their government for action. I doubt the British will turn out like the Spanish did and run away from it. They will stand up and fight.
I am an American and hope all those affected by this attack receive their justice.
Post by: iNSPECTA on July 07, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
It's a shame, just as london had a cause to celebrate (Winning to host the next olympics) something awful like this happens.
I suppose it was going to happen to us at sometime, i hope the people that caused this realise that we won't take this lying down!
Post by: The*galloping*zebra on July 07, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on July 07, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
-XBA
Post by: Statecowboy on July 07, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(-XboX-Abuser- @ Jul 7 2005, 02:23 PM)
it's called a staged terrorist attack... I'm willing to bet cash money that the MOSAD or MI5 or MI6 are involved.. These attacks were done to take the attention off the Downing Memo regarding the pre-planned military attacks on Iraq.....
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
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ur the same person who posted that 9/11 was staged. IF you think every goverment is lying to you and killing there own citizens, then i suggest you lock ur self in ur old Y2k shelter and wait for the end of the world
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Post by: nagmine on July 07, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
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hey area code... why dont u stop smoking crack and learn to spell before posting.. ok?
Back to subject.
I pray for everyone who was effected by the blast. I hope this dosnt lead to anymore suffering as well.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: Area_Codes on July 07, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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i guess i am just upset because all muslims are being branded arcoss the world for being terrorists.......
i hope no1 in this fourm believes that?
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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edit...you dont need to post 3-4 times in a row that's why they have an edit button..
Also i wasn't talking about u i was talking about -XboX-Abuser- in my previous post
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Back to the topic..my prayers go out to all those effected by this terrorist attack
**EDIT ADDED SOME THOUGHTS
My main question is with ur thought process is why you even put the IRAQ war and this terrorist attack in the same category. If you can even believe this was used to cover up any mistakes, or false evidence used to go to war with IRAQ i truely believe your retarded. If Tony Blair and Bush knew there were no weapons and still went to IRAQ and got caught i dont believe they'd kill a bunch of their own citizens..Call me crazy but i dont think this would happen within these countries
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
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i dont think anyone is pulling the race card. The fact is as of late most large terrorist attacks have been funded by, and carried out by middle eastern terrorist groups.
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Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
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I must say we live in a dark world how can someone do something this bad to others? My prayers go out to all the people affected by these cowards and I hope they are brought to justice very soon.
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Post by: MickRick on July 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
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Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: nagmine on July 07, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
Back to subject.
I pray for everyone who was effected by the blast. I hope this dosnt lead to anymore suffering as well.
Post by: Area_Codes on July 07, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
i hope no1 in this fourm believes that?
Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
Also i wasn't talking about u i was talking about -XboX-Abuser- in my previous post
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Back to the topic..my prayers go out to all those effected by this terrorist attack
**EDIT ADDED SOME THOUGHTS
My main question is with ur thought process is why you even put the IRAQ war and this terrorist attack in the same category. If you can even believe this was used to cover up any mistakes, or false evidence used to go to war with IRAQ i truely believe your retarded. If Tony Blair and Bush knew there were no weapons and still went to IRAQ and got caught i dont believe they'd kill a bunch of their own citizens..Call me crazy but i dont think this would happen within these countries
Post by: xboxmodder4life on July 07, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: MickRick on July 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(XBL_SUCKS @ Jul 7 2005, 09:57 PM)
I must say we live in a dark world how can someone do something this bad to others? My prayers go out to all the people affected by these cowards and I hope they are brought to justice very soon.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on July 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
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London attacked.. Israel warned before the attacks.. Just Like Israel was warned on fucking 9/11.
It's called the Hegelian Dialectic....
Problem... Reaction... Solution...
and the dumb fucking sheep just keep believing what their leaders tell them...
-XBA
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Post by: jamie123 on July 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
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my prayers are out to anyone effected during this tragedy
hopefully more people will realize that there is still terrorism out there, and a damn good reason to support the war
support our troops
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 02:25:00 PM
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Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on July 07, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
It's called the Hegelian Dialectic....
Problem... Reaction... Solution...
and the dumb fucking sheep just keep believing what their leaders tell them...
-XBA
Post by: jamie123 on July 07, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
hopefully more people will realize that there is still terrorism out there, and a damn good reason to support the war
support our troops
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(9t9 @ Jul 7 2005, 03:18 PM)
For the last few years muslim terrorists have been blowing people up , in the last few months mainly muslin Iraqis have been the targets. Some brits may hate muslims just like some muslims hate christians and Jews and vice versa.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
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Please, ignore the conspiracy theorists until they can provide evidence of their fantasies (which'll be never).
I hope the event isn't too crippling to london and the morale of the english people. 9/11 really fucked up some heads here in the US, creating hatred, paranoia, etc. My best wishes go to anyone involved, their families, and the english in general.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
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Well I do not agree with war one bit, I would like to say the fallowing things, I don't agree with George Bush at all I think he is a power hungry idiot trying to finsh his dads work, 2nd I don't agree with morter bombing, bomb dropping's or anything to that effect that kills 1,000's of innocents. I admire people like Angelina Jolie who is helping with the United Nations and so many others who make our lives a little bit better, I just went to Italy and had to pass by so many security "check points" and people were all like what are you doing here? In my opion if people just donated a little think about how much better the world would be?
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Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
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Since we're now already off topic...
You do of course realize that the united nations is under heavy investigation, not for just what you see in the news, but the overall complete misuse of money. Fox and one of the English media outlets did an audit to determine where all of angelina's donations were going. Much of it disappeared or was sent to an "unspecified location". They've also proven many times that they don't give any bigger of a shit about anything as the western leaders do. The UN is as hungry for money and power as any leader... if not worse since people hardly ever question them.
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Post by: Statecowboy on July 07, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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Look, none of these issues are going to go away unless someone in a leadership position professing his faith acts on his faith. In other words, I as a Christian should not be alarmed or angry at anyone for what went on. However, as a human being, I am enraged and instantly want revenge-I admit this is wrong. As time goes on I regroup and realize the sort of ignorance and non-disciplined relgion I am practicing by jumping to such emotions.
I don't think it's religion that's fueling all of this hatred, it's the people's LACK of disciplined studied relgion that creates these disgusting events. If more people were educated about what is right and wrong according to their belief system, less of this would go on.
It's very hard for me as a Christian to sympathize with any Muslim when (from what I perceive via western media and literature) there is a cyclic hatred streak that pops up every so often. You mentioned the backing of Jews earlier. Why shouldn't we back them? They were forced out of their country and then out of the countries they settled in, and now hated because they finally were returned home to Palestine.
I guess my point is, the world needs to know more about what Islam is really about, and not get our points of view and education from some illiterate simpleton who is taught hatred as a religion and blows himself up because somebody else brainwashed him. Show me a true follower of Islam that will step up and stand against these acts of hatred and I will listen intently.
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Post by: Hotmodder on July 07, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
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Yet another false flag black op.
People here that don't believe their own governments don't kill their own should read up on history more often. Examples of false flag operations:
- Israel's Mossad planting of radio transmissions beaming from the Libyan capital re: the French disco bombings to look like Libyan complicity. Result: The US bombed Tripoli.
- The sinking of the USS Maine in on the night of February 15, 1898 to start a war with Spain. In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion.
- The Northwoods documents (recently declassified) that show pre-approved plans to blow up US airliners and fly airplanes into buildings to start a war with Cuba. Google it, its real.
- Israel's attempted sinking of the USS Liberty at the beginning of the 6 day war on June 8, 1967 to try and drag the US on Israels side.
- Pearl Harbour. Not necessarily a false flag op, but definately had some foreknowledge on FDR's part. Recently declasified documents back this claim up.
- On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol". The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonarman who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked.
- And of course 9-11. A child with a grade 1 education could tell you that this makes no sense on all levels. Cell phone calls made @ 9000ft? Jet fuel (kerosene) melting steel? (Look for the pictures of people staring out of the gaping hole supposedly on fire, melting)
egads!
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: Tony42077 on July 07, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
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Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
I hope the event isn't too crippling to london and the morale of the english people. 9/11 really fucked up some heads here in the US, creating hatred, paranoia, etc. My best wishes go to anyone involved, their families, and the english in general.
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on July 07, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
You do of course realize that the united nations is under heavy investigation, not for just what you see in the news, but the overall complete misuse of money. Fox and one of the English media outlets did an audit to determine where all of angelina's donations were going. Much of it disappeared or was sent to an "unspecified location". They've also proven many times that they don't give any bigger of a shit about anything as the western leaders do. The UN is as hungry for money and power as any leader... if not worse since people hardly ever question them.
Post by: Statecowboy on July 07, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
I don't think it's religion that's fueling all of this hatred, it's the people's LACK of disciplined studied relgion that creates these disgusting events. If more people were educated about what is right and wrong according to their belief system, less of this would go on.
It's very hard for me as a Christian to sympathize with any Muslim when (from what I perceive via western media and literature) there is a cyclic hatred streak that pops up every so often. You mentioned the backing of Jews earlier. Why shouldn't we back them? They were forced out of their country and then out of the countries they settled in, and now hated because they finally were returned home to Palestine.
I guess my point is, the world needs to know more about what Islam is really about, and not get our points of view and education from some illiterate simpleton who is taught hatred as a religion and blows himself up because somebody else brainwashed him. Show me a true follower of Islam that will step up and stand against these acts of hatred and I will listen intently.
Post by: Hotmodder on July 07, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
People here that don't believe their own governments don't kill their own should read up on history more often. Examples of false flag operations:
- Israel's Mossad planting of radio transmissions beaming from the Libyan capital re: the French disco bombings to look like Libyan complicity. Result: The US bombed Tripoli.
- The sinking of the USS Maine in on the night of February 15, 1898 to start a war with Spain. In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion.
- The Northwoods documents (recently declassified) that show pre-approved plans to blow up US airliners and fly airplanes into buildings to start a war with Cuba. Google it, its real.
- Israel's attempted sinking of the USS Liberty at the beginning of the 6 day war on June 8, 1967 to try and drag the US on Israels side.
- Pearl Harbour. Not necessarily a false flag op, but definately had some foreknowledge on FDR's part. Recently declasified documents back this claim up.
- On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol". The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonarman who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked.
- And of course 9-11. A child with a grade 1 education could tell you that this makes no sense on all levels. Cell phone calls made @ 9000ft? Jet fuel (kerosene) melting steel? (Look for the pictures of people staring out of the gaping hole supposedly on fire, melting)
egads!
Post by: Tony42077 on July 07, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Area_Codes @ Jul 7 2005, 10:31 PM)
as for islam to condone these attacks ure right islam does think these are wrong ......islam means pease(sp) these ppl go about jehad(sp) all the wrong way (women and children are sadly hurt...amongst other things (blind and old aswell i think))... many ppl have warped view point of jehad and think its a blood thirsty babarian(sp) practice but that coudnt be futher from the truth its actually very fair and the media sadly reports it in the wrong light and doesnt even give a people the chance to figure out what it is......
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Post by: pug_ster on July 07, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
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XBL_Sucks is right about Muslims being watched. Here in the US these muslim groups, and especially radical muslim groups are being watched in a microsope thanks to Homeland Security. London, however they respect the rights of these individuals, including the radical Muslim groups. Therefore London is a haven for these radical terrorists. Because of this incident today, these 'peaceful' muslims are screwed by the radical muslim groups.
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Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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You really don't think events like this are about religion? Quite the contrary.
Have you ever read, in the Laws of Islam, what should be done for exampe to a Muslim who converts to Christianity? Perhaps you should. Might give you a different perspective, at least, on the deepest aspects of the religion. Thankfully, most Muslims seek in their religion something similiar to what a Christian seeks... spiritual enlightenment. However, if one was to follow the ancient teachings of Islam, they wouldn't find it all that barbaric to bomb public transit systems in populated western cities or run planes into buildings.
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Post by: Code-Red on July 07, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
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Well, this may offend people, but I dont give a shit:
If terrorists ever hit Canada or Denmark like this, I will start a vendette against the Middle east, I will travel over there to kill as many people as possible. Most of all the violence in the world comes from the middle east. I hate Bush, but I hate terrorists even more. I couldnt care less if civilians in the middle east are killed. So therefore, I will become a terrorist to kill terrorists.
If it were up to me, I would have pushed the red button on those countries long ago.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: Tony42077 on July 08, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
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Post by: pug_ster on July 07, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on July 07, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Have you ever read, in the Laws of Islam, what should be done for exampe to a Muslim who converts to Christianity? Perhaps you should. Might give you a different perspective, at least, on the deepest aspects of the religion. Thankfully, most Muslims seek in their religion something similiar to what a Christian seeks... spiritual enlightenment. However, if one was to follow the ancient teachings of Islam, they wouldn't find it all that barbaric to bomb public transit systems in populated western cities or run planes into buildings.
Post by: Code-Red on July 07, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
If terrorists ever hit Canada or Denmark like this, I will start a vendette against the Middle east, I will travel over there to kill as many people as possible. Most of all the violence in the world comes from the middle east. I hate Bush, but I hate terrorists even more. I couldnt care less if civilians in the middle east are killed. So therefore, I will become a terrorist to kill terrorists.
If it were up to me, I would have pushed the red button on those countries long ago.
Post by: Tony42077 on July 08, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Area_Codes @ Jul 8 2005, 03:47 PM)
where did i say that killing men is right i ment that if a justifed reson for a war is there and the practice of jehad is carryed out proberly then only soldiers showls be harmed. islam says jehad is only right when they other army attacks u first and u give warning of ure attack.
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Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
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Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(-XboX-Abuser- @ Jul 7 2005, 02:23 PM)
it's called a staged terrorist attack... I'm willing to bet cash money that the MOSAD or MI5 or MI6 are involved.. These attacks were done to take the attention off the Downing Memo regarding the pre-planned military attacks on Iraq.....
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Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
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If Bush really just wanted the oil you think he'd actually waste his troops and send them out to train these Iraqian Ciztens? And throw $$$ all into the war to help them rebuild?? I don't think so. He'd have just kept the army home and sent out the Navy and Airforce to just go on and nuke em off the face of earth. He prolly feels bad that he couldnt find the WMDs that he feels he has a duty to help them rebuild and all that. But I don't know for sure if there was really any WMDs since Saddam could have easily moved them. he wouldnt allow the Inspectors in a few certain places... Makes me wonder why?? Also put your feet in Bush's shoes at that time when you hear that Saddam isn't allowing inspectors into several certain places.. Wouldnt you wonder what the fuck is going on in these places and why won't he let them look in there??!! Bush was looking for WMDs not drugs or anything else like he would care bout. So Saddam brought it on himself. He had a history of fiddlin with WMDs so I don't blame Bush for going on and hitting Iraq. Tho it does piss me off a bit cuz Saddam didn't have any thing to do with 9/11 Bin Laden did. Unless Saddam was granting him safe passage into Iraq and supplin him with $$$ which I might belive.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers
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Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
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Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Area_Codes @ Jul 7 2005, 04:31 PM)
i think bush wants to go to war for oil
If Bush really just wanted the oil you think he'd actually waste his troops and send them out to train these Iraqian Ciztens? And throw $$$ all into the war to help them rebuild?? I don't think so. He'd have just kept the army home and sent out the Navy and Airforce to just go on and nuke em off the face of earth. He prolly feels bad that he couldnt find the WMDs that he feels he has a duty to help them rebuild and all that. But I don't know for sure if there was really any WMDs since Saddam could have easily moved them. he wouldnt allow the Inspectors in a few certain places... Makes me wonder why?? Also put your feet in Bush's shoes at that time when you hear that Saddam isn't allowing inspectors into several certain places.. Wouldnt you wonder what the fuck is going on in these places and why won't he let them look in there??!! Bush was looking for WMDs not drugs or anything else like he would care bout. So Saddam brought it on himself. He had a history of fiddlin with WMDs so I don't blame Bush for going on and hitting Iraq. Tho it does piss me off a bit cuz Saddam didn't have any thing to do with 9/11 Bin Laden did. Unless Saddam was granting him safe passage into Iraq and supplin him with $$$ which I might belive.
Just my 2 cents
Cheers
Post by: jjjjlong on July 08, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(pug_ster @ Jul 7 2005, 10:35 PM)
XBL_Sucks is right about Muslims being watched. Here in the US these muslim groups, and especially radical muslim groups are being watched in a microsope thanks to Homeland Security. London, however they respect the rights of these individuals, including the radical Muslim groups. Therefore London is a haven for these radical terrorists. Because of this incident today, these 'peaceful' muslims are screwed by the radical muslim groups.
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Post by: Rekelon on July 08, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
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I am a white british atheist and I will try and debate this on all sides, as that is the only way to truly understand the problem
QUOTE(-XboX-Abuser- @ Jul 7 2005, 02:23 PM)
it's called a staged terrorist attack... I'm willing to bet cash money that the MOSAD or MI5 or MI6 are involved.. These attacks were done to take the attention off the Downing Memo regarding the pre-planned military attacks on Iraq.....
do you really think that a someone would risk treason just to save blair reputation?
If anything this attack has had the potential to damaged blair
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Tony42077
If someone is attacked for no reason, then they are justified in declaring war on them, why does it have to be a "holy" war? People are not attacking Islam,
I agree with most of the things that you are saying however there is a degree of motivation however let me state that i do not agree with the method of rasing awareness let me explain : the Muslims fanatical groups were founded on the believe that western culture made their own people selfish and greedy and if it wasnt halted then it will destroy the Muslim way of life. This theology was helped by the fact that Egypt was becoming more and more western like.
Now the founder (I not sure of his name) was arrested and tortured for a few years and when he came out he recognized the fact that this culture did not only make the people selfish rather it also made them barbaric and thus cannot be saved. He then applied this idea to the Muslim leaders and if they sided with the left way of thinking then they can be killed without any come back. His group thought that the people were being trapped and would follow an uprising so they tried to caused this by killing the Egyptian leader. However the masses did not follow and so they believe that the people were long gone and all they could do was keep trying to shock the population via suicide bombings. Looking at this concept we can say that The jihad of Europe group didnt care about race, religion etc etc as they felt that most of the people were to far gone however they cared about disrupting the economics of this country and try to inspire terror and fear.
I personally feel that alquida is not at all powerful as it claims as if it was then surely there would be more attacks wouldnt there?
I think that I went off on a tangent their but let me finish off by saying that according to the British documentary the power of nightmares (search for it on the bit torrent if you really are interested in the Islamic and neo conservative ideology and movement) politicians use nightmares of terrorism in a way to inspire fear and terror so that the population has a unique destiny and thus avoid selfish behavior which threaten to tear the government apart from liberism (see American history in the 50s/ power of nightmares)
*talk about going off on a tangent :-S*
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Post by: sk8ngame on July 08, 2005, 08:57:00 PM
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Post by: The unProfessional on July 08, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
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Post by: pug_ster on July 08, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
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In many of the muslim web sites, I bet there are people who glorified about the killing the other day. You don't see many non-muslim websites actually which glorify this tragety. While other 'peaceful' muslims don't condone this violence, yet I think they are almost equally part of the problem because they don't stand up and frown on what other muslims have done. These 'peaceful' muslims believe that the problem is the problem of non-muslims. You know what, these 'peaceful' muslims are almost equially guilty because they seem nonchalant attitude toward people who are not muslim.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on July 09, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
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luckily i wasnt hurt.
-BxN
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 09, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
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Post by: Rekelon on July 08, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(-XboX-Abuser- @ Jul 7 2005, 02:23 PM)
it's called a staged terrorist attack... I'm willing to bet cash money that the MOSAD or MI5 or MI6 are involved.. These attacks were done to take the attention off the Downing Memo regarding the pre-planned military attacks on Iraq.....
do you really think that a someone would risk treason just to save blair reputation?
If anything this attack has had the potential to damaged blair
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Tony42077
If someone is attacked for no reason, then they are justified in declaring war on them, why does it have to be a "holy" war? People are not attacking Islam,
I agree with most of the things that you are saying however there is a degree of motivation however let me state that i do not agree with the method of rasing awareness let me explain : the Muslims fanatical groups were founded on the believe that western culture made their own people selfish and greedy and if it wasnt halted then it will destroy the Muslim way of life. This theology was helped by the fact that Egypt was becoming more and more western like.
Now the founder (I not sure of his name) was arrested and tortured for a few years and when he came out he recognized the fact that this culture did not only make the people selfish rather it also made them barbaric and thus cannot be saved. He then applied this idea to the Muslim leaders and if they sided with the left way of thinking then they can be killed without any come back. His group thought that the people were being trapped and would follow an uprising so they tried to caused this by killing the Egyptian leader. However the masses did not follow and so they believe that the people were long gone and all they could do was keep trying to shock the population via suicide bombings. Looking at this concept we can say that The jihad of Europe group didnt care about race, religion etc etc as they felt that most of the people were to far gone however they cared about disrupting the economics of this country and try to inspire terror and fear.
I personally feel that alquida is not at all powerful as it claims as if it was then surely there would be more attacks wouldnt there?
I think that I went off on a tangent their but let me finish off by saying that according to the British documentary the power of nightmares (search for it on the bit torrent if you really are interested in the Islamic and neo conservative ideology and movement) politicians use nightmares of terrorism in a way to inspire fear and terror so that the population has a unique destiny and thus avoid selfish behavior which threaten to tear the government apart from liberism (see American history in the 50s/ power of nightmares)
*talk about going off on a tangent :-S*
Post by: sk8ngame on July 08, 2005, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on July 08, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on July 08, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on July 09, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
luckily i wasnt hurt.-BxN
Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 09, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
QUOTE(jjjjlong @ Jul 8 2005, 01:35 PM)
If Bush really just wanted the oil you think he'd actually waste his troops and send them out to train these Iraqian Ciztens? And throw $$$ all into the war to help them rebuild?? I don't think so. He'd have just kept the army home and sent out the Navy and Airforce to just go on and nuke em off the face of earth. He prolly feels bad that he couldnt find the WMDs that he feels he has a duty to help them rebuild and all that. But I don't know for sure if there was really any WMDs since Saddam could have easily moved them. he wouldnt allow the Inspectors in a few certain places... Makes me wonder why?? Also put your feet in Bush's shoes at that time when you hear that Saddam isn't allowing inspectors into several certain places.. Wouldnt you wonder what the fuck is going on in these places and why won't he let them look in there??!! Bush was looking for WMDs not drugs or anything else like he would care bout. So Saddam brought it on himself. He had a history of fiddlin with WMDs so I don't blame Bush for going on and hitting Iraq. Tho it does piss me off a bit cuz Saddam didn't have any thing to do with 9/11 Bin Laden did. Unless Saddam was granting him safe passage into Iraq and supplin him with $$$ which I might belive.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: pug_ster on July 10, 2005, 07:28:00 AM
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Post by: pug_ster on July 10, 2005, 07:28:00 AM
QUOTE(FoeHammer05 @ Jul 10 2005, 04:27 AM)
Finally someone makes sense. All of the extreme left wing bull shit about Bush knowing about the 9/11 attacks just makes me sick. You think you guys are better, some of your ideas are just as radical as theirs. And about that statement saying we "carpetbombed afghan civilians on purpose", its full of shit. Thats a slap in the face to our brave military forces around the world. Sure we make intel mistakes from time to time and hit suspected hideouts that turn out to be civilians, but its war and mistakes happen.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 10, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
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Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 10, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(pug_ster @ Jul 10 2005, 09:39 AM)
Oh please spare me this kind of BS. People who worked in intelligence said that there's no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda before we attacked.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: reidtheweed01 on July 10, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
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Post by: reidtheweed01 on July 10, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
QUOTE(FoeHammer05 @ Jul 9 2005, 10:27 PM)
Finally someone makes sense. All of the extreme left wing bull shit about Bush knowing about the 9/11 attacks just makes me sick. You think you guys are better, some of your ideas are just as radical as theirs. And about that statement saying we "carpetbombed afghan civilians on purpose", its full of shit. Thats a slap in the face to our brave military forces around the world. Sure we make intel mistakes from time to time and hit suspected hideouts that turn out to be civilians, but its war and mistakes happen.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 11, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
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Post by: FoeHammer05 on July 11, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(reidtheweed01 @ Jul 11 2005, 01:39 AM)
i agree with you 100% the idiots think its that easy they think you can just say "hey guys come on lets be frineds" and that everything thing will stop and the terrorist wont hurt us anymore. I would love to see them run the white house, they think it would be so easy, and no matter what happens they will bitch. They wont ever state their issue with something untill it happens and then after it happens they say that its all wrong.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: sk8ngame on July 12, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
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sry bout my other post evry1, my dickhead friend was on my comp
I have sympathy for evry1's families and anyone injured
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: thewickedjester on July 12, 2005, 10:44:00 AM
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IF he did the war for oil (I dont know, I'm simply stating something here) then of course he would pour money into training the Iraqian Citizens, so he doesnt ever have to do this again. He's modeling them for democracy, our democracy. We think were helping that country, all were doing is making a freindly pickup point for oil.
Then again, it might not be true, I honestly dont know.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: pug_ster on July 12, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
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Post by: sk8ngame on July 12, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
I have sympathy for evry1's families and anyone injured
Post by: thewickedjester on July 12, 2005, 10:44:00 AM
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If Bush really just wanted the oil you think he'd actually waste his troops and send them out to train these Iraqian Ciztens? And throw $$$ all into the war to help them rebuild??
IF he did the war for oil (I dont know, I'm simply stating something here) then of course he would pour money into training the Iraqian Citizens, so he doesnt ever have to do this again. He's modeling them for democracy, our democracy. We think were helping that country, all were doing is making a freindly pickup point for oil.
Then again, it might not be true, I honestly dont know.
Post by: pug_ster on July 12, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(reidtheweed01 @ Jul 11 2005, 07:39 AM)
i agree with you 100% the idiots think its that easy they think you can just say "hey guys come on lets be frineds" and that everything thing will stop and the terrorist wont hurt us anymore. I would love to see them run the white house, they think it would be so easy, and no matter what happens they will bitch. They wont ever state their issue with something untill it happens and then after it happens they say that its all wrong.
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on July 12, 2005, 12:11:00 PM
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the hell with Iraq.... fuck let's just nuke Israel... just eliminate the fucking so-called chosen people and we can end all this strife.....
If Israel didn't exist, do you really think we would have the muslims pissed off at America?
It would be like Communist China arming Canada and giving them billions of dollars each year to attack America...
We would be like those god damn slanty-eyed motherfuckers are supporting the Canadians in attacking America for no fucking reason....
Same thing with Israelis and the Palestinians... Before 1948, that piece of land was the Palestinians for over 1000 years... Then in 1948 the zionists moved in and started slaughtering the Palestinians for no reason.....
America is becoming the most hated nation in the world because we fight proxy wars for a terrorist nation in the middle east....
America is being used as the zionist hammer to pound the fuck out of people that we had no problems with up until 1948...
Shit nearly all the world wars have been fought due to some god damn jewish bullshit.....
Germany was doing quite well in the 1920's...while America was fucking in a depression because of jewish bankers... when the jews tried to fuck over Germany, Hitler saw what was going on and said, fuck that.... Jews get out..leave the german people alone..
-XBA
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Title: A Sad Event
Post by: darth_turtur on July 12, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
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Post by: -XboX-Abuser- on July 12, 2005, 12:11:00 PM
If Israel didn't exist, do you really think we would have the muslims pissed off at America?
It would be like Communist China arming Canada and giving them billions of dollars each year to attack America...
We would be like those god damn slanty-eyed motherfuckers are supporting the Canadians in attacking America for no fucking reason....
Same thing with Israelis and the Palestinians... Before 1948, that piece of land was the Palestinians for over 1000 years... Then in 1948 the zionists moved in and started slaughtering the Palestinians for no reason.....
America is becoming the most hated nation in the world because we fight proxy wars for a terrorist nation in the middle east....
America is being used as the zionist hammer to pound the fuck out of people that we had no problems with up until 1948...
Shit nearly all the world wars have been fought due to some god damn jewish bullshit.....
Germany was doing quite well in the 1920's...while America was fucking in a depression because of jewish bankers... when the jews tried to fuck over Germany, Hitler saw what was going on and said, fuck that.... Jews get out..leave the german people alone..
-XBA
Post by: darth_turtur on July 12, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(-XboX-Abuser- @ Jul 12 2005, 12:22 PM)
We would be like those god damn slanty-eyed motherfuckers are supporting the Canadians in attacking America for no fucking reason....