Post by: The unProfessional on November 15, 2004, 10:18:00 PM
Either way, it's disappointing to know about - especially for those of us who aren't there to understand the environment.
Anyway:
Aljazeera: http://english.aljaz...9E55674A925.htm
Fox: http://www.foxnews.com/
Cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2...robe/index.html
It's true every other military in the world can get away with worse, but our soldiers should know better by now - especially when they're on camera.
I will admit though... earlier that day the marine was released from the hospital after being shot in the face, so I'm guessing he was on edge. Smooth move, dufus.
Post by: drunkmunk on November 15, 2004, 11:32:00 PM
they should have just double tapped the fuckers the first time through
Post by: pug_ster on November 15, 2004, 11:34:00 PM
I also think that is true that like many scandals like the Rodney King Beating, this is bad because someone happens to have a video camera running when this is happening. This sort of thing probably happened more often than we thought but nobody happened to captured what happened.
Of course, this won't do any good in the war on Iraq because this will look bad for the US. I think this will be more of a downhill turn for the War for Iraq now that Colin Powell is going to resign. Powell is the only moderate in the Bush Administration surrounded by Hawks where he wants to push the right agendas for peace. I think Powell is the probably the only person in the Bush Administration who can bring peace to Palestine and Iraq. Now Powell is going to get replaced by Bush's lap dog, Rice, we won't see any of that.
Going back to Iraq, the push in Fallujah caused more violence in Iraq not quelled it down, it is only a matter of time that we will have a draft.
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
If he was shot THAT day I could understand being a little upset but a whole day later he should be cool with those guys.
Ok enough joking...
I dont give a fuck if a soldier shoots some guy,whether hes unarmed or in the middle of wiping his asshole clean after dropping some of his WMD's.Just kill him,if the first dumbass soldier werent so damn incompetent he would have been dead already.
Kill em all,men,women, children,and any animals.Lets drop some fucking nukes on them sons a bitches too.
Ya'll would be some dumbass rednecks if you try to defend this soldier prick.You dont shoot unarmed people.The united states is better than all countries in every respect.Even if our enemies catch our soldiers and make them have sex with eachother while pulling out their fingernails we should still treat the guys we catch with respect.We abide by the rules of war even if our enemies do not.Its one of the reasons we are better.
That soldier may have killed 50 other people since the US occupation of Iraq started but this was murder.
I think its ok to blow some people up with a grenade or a mortor if they are trying to kill you but to shoot someone in the head when they are clearly not a threat isnt right.
Couldnt they just beat him like Rodney King?
Post by: Colonel32 on November 16, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
I honestly found the most disturbing part of this tape was before the shooting, when the soldier asked the others if they had run into or shot any iraqi's, then casually asked if they had guns when the soldier said they had shot a couple.
Post by: damam on November 16, 2004, 09:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Nov 16 2004, 07:21 AM) |
| It's true every other military in the world can get away with worse, but our soldiers should know better by now - especially when they're on camera. |
This is true, part of what makes America great is we that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. If it pans out that this guy did shoot him as being described he should be court marshalled and sent to jail. Anything less would be a tragedy of justice.
Post by: psybersoma on November 16, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
What a bunch of fucking dolts... Go talk to real commerial jet pilots and ask them if they can guide planes into buildings flying at 400+ MPH while looking out the cockpit windows.. Impossible!!!
Go watch the movie - 911 In Plane Site and watch the slowed down video of both fucking planes that hit the towers have a very noticeable bright flash just before they impact the towers. www.911inplanesite.com
Sorry, muslims are incapable of mounting laser guided munitions on the bottom of military planes painted up to look like commerical jetliners and then hijacking them and crashing them into buildings....
Wake the fuck up people!!!
-Psybersoma
Post by: LepPpeR on November 16, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
2.Iraq didnt have freedom so freedom isnt being defended.
The soldier says "hes fucking faking dead".Well go capture that sob before he gets away.Thats the way it works.
I guess the dumb fuck couldnt see that the room had other injured people in it,and they were bloody and bandaged.
I hope this dumb marine get his dick blown off when his helicopter gets shot down on his way to his mama's house.
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 16, 2004, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on November 16, 2004, 07:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (EverythingButAnAnswer @ Nov 17 2004, 03:28 AM) |
| War is ugly. Also please remember an animal is at its most dangerous when it is wounded. |
I am constantly amazed at the temperance the infantry marines are showing the Iraqis. Quite frankly I am disappointed. I assume their hands are tied by the ever-ridiculous rules of engagement. I expected to see fallujah a blood soaked slaughter house after the marines went through. It seems that my dreams of the streets running red with Muslim blood will not come true. It is a pity that these once ferocious fighters have been reduced to pandering goons. They should have used the cameraman as fodder to catch a bullet.
Post by: brandogg on November 16, 2004, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: cromat44 on November 16, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 16 2004, 10:44 PM) |
| Ronnie you're a true class act. /ignore Ronnie |
Yo brandy!
Why be a hypocrite?
Tellin' other people to ignore me when youre talking to me.Youre a big fat dummy!
Anyway man,its ok to let other people talk.You dont have to like anything,anyone ever says but it doesnt mean they will stop saying it.
Just take it and if you dont like it disagree and try to make an intelligent response.You dont have to ignore me just because Im right and smarter than you.
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: Faid1 on November 17, 2004, 06:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (xbox beat box @ Nov 16 2004, 06:25 PM) |
| Its nice that we (media and some of you assholes) have the freedom to sit back and talk shit about this Marine, the same freedom he is fighting for. |
Can you please explain how invading another country for no reason is fighting for our freedom?
Post by: xbox beat box on November 17, 2004, 06:57:00 AM
Civil War? I am Canadian so i am not too up to date on American history.
But if it was the civil war, than all wars after that, were we not fighting for our freedom?
Post by: psybersoma on November 17, 2004, 07:22:00 AM
the problem is it's all by design.. any REAL American that was elected to be president would see this as a major problem and tend to it as needed..
America is purposely being destroyed by design... the global elite are turning America and it's northern and southern neighbors into one giant manageable plantation called the Pan-American-Union. Just like the European Union or EU for short...
The dumbed down masses don't get it....and likely never will...it's just like during the time before the fall of the Roman Empire. Keep the masses entertained and fed and they won't care about what's going on around them.... Today it's no different.. give the people 200+ channels of mindless shit on TV and keep them fed and they will follow whatever bullshit you wish to have them believe...
It's working....very nicely...
-Psybersoma
Post by: pug_ster on November 17, 2004, 08:46:00 AM
Bush Administration ignored Powell's plea to strike in Iraq and plan to win the peace. Now we are paying for it with the increasing violence everyday. From 20 years from now I think History will record Bush as a bungling fool of the likes of Nixon.
Post by: brandogg on November 17, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: xbox beat box on November 17, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: damam on November 17, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (xbox beat box @ Nov 17 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| When was the last time a true war was fought on American soil? |
Japanese overtook most of the islands and a small part of the main land in Alaska - most of the lower 48 seems to forget that alaskan citizens (not military) fought against the Japanese and were held as POW's. So WWII would be the last true war that was fought on US soil.
Post by: pug_ster on November 17, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 17 2004, 07:14 PM) |
| The insurgents are people out there setting up car bombs, blowing up schools, killing innocents, beheading people, etc, etc. A huge portion of them are foreign fighters who came from other nations to fight against the Americans. You're retarded if you think we would go in, take out Saddam, and then pack up and leave. That would leave the country in total anarchy. The whole idea behind going in was regime change. Psybersoma or whatever you're calling yourself today, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
The problem with this Administration is how they keep the peace. Bush has NO plan to win the peace. Bush assumes that all the Iraqi's are all lovey-dovey and think that everybody in Iraq will accept Jesus Christ and thinks that the US is their savior. So Bush decided to pull the troops away then they should be protecting the borders from foreign insurgents coming in from neighboring countries. Getting rid of Saddam is easy, bringing peace to Iraq after Saddam is the hard part.
Post by: nolem on November 17, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on November 17, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
Post by: damam on November 17, 2004, 01:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Nov 17 2004, 09:35 PM) |
| I don't think the troops want to do that. Some of the Iraqi dead bodies are booby trapped when moved. I heard one of the soldier died because he moved it. |
That puts the troops between a rock and real hard spot - they basically have no way of confirming except to put a bullet through their head.
Post by: pepsik on November 17, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: Baner on November 17, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| There are differences between living flesh and dead flesh, after a few encounters I'm sure they know the difference. |
1. Most will be covered from head to toe in some sort of clothing
2. Fresh dead flesh is hard to tell apart from live flesh.
3. I think hanging around checking to see if that guy laying on the street with an ak in his hands is dead or not, isn't what they want to do.
Post by: The unProfessional on November 17, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
That puts the troops between a rock and real hard spot - they basically have no way of confirming except to put a bullet through their head. |
That basically sums it up.
Post by: Ronnie on November 17, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 17 2004, 01:14 PM) |
| The insurgents are people out there setting up car bombs, blowing up schools, killing innocents, beheading people, etc, etc. A huge portion of them are foreign fighters who came from other nations to fight against the Americans. You're retarded if you think we would go in, take out Saddam, and then pack up and leave. That would leave the country in total anarchy. The whole idea behind going in was regime change. Psybersoma or whatever you're calling yourself today, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
They didnt blow up any schools.I think that was an american tank that did that piece of work.
Are you a total dumbas?Why would they blow up a school?
And not all the fighters in Iraq are NON-Iraqis some of them are Iraqis who just dont want America in their country.
Youve heard of the bay of pigs????
A total invasion wasnt planned for that, all we wanted to do was take out the leader of the country and get the hell out.
I dont think we occupied Panama when we got rid of Noreaga.
Your theory is a stupid one.
If it were possible to take out Saddam and get the hell out the same day and sit back and watch democracy bloom like a flower then we would have.We need control of the country,thats why we are still there.
Please stop telling people that are retarded and stupid because you are the one who needs an education.
Post by: Baner on November 17, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Are you a total dumbas?Why would they blow up a school? |
Why would they kill a woman that has done nothing but help them over 30 years?
PS. You might wanna fix your wording before calling someone retarded ie
Please stop telling people that they are retarded and stupid, because you are the one who needs an education.
Seriously, you're flaming and insults are getting out of hand. Most of us here at the poltical forums try to have somewhat educated and adult discussions, you calling someone a "dumbas" isn't helping the situation.
Post by: pepsik on November 17, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: Baner on November 17, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| On the flesh thing, if the blood is red shoot it again, if the blood is purple/dark red, then it's dead. |
I agree, but that involves shooting it a first time, but for some reason people are against shooting during wars.
| QUOTE |
| like if the wounds are steaming it's a fresh kill |
Again, it might be hard to tell if the wounds were fatal from a distance.
| QUOTE |
| The eyes are a dead give away on a corpse also. |
Also needs closer examination.
In no way am I trying to prove you wrong, just trying to point out that you're better off saving everyone the time and danger, and putting one in it's head.
Post by: pepsik on November 17, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Nov 17 2004, 11:34 PM) |
| In no way am I trying to prove you wrong, just trying to point out that you're better off saving everyone the time and danger, and putting one in it's head. |
Agreed
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on November 17, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Nov 17 2004, 05:34 PM) |
| Also needs closer examination. In no way am I trying to prove you wrong, just trying to point out that you're better off saving everyone the time and danger, and putting one in it's head. |
Precisely...
How did the soldier know that when he looks closer to check if he's dead, the Iraqi pretending to be dead sets off a suicide bomb right in his face....
i don't know about all you ppl... but i would be a little bit jumpy...
Post by: Ronnie on November 17, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Nov 17 2004, 05:25 PM) |
| Wow, you swung and missed. Psyber was the one saying that we took out Saddam, and that we should be getting out. Bran is the one saying that we can't leave right away. Why would they kill a woman that has done nothing but help them over 30 years? PS. You might wanna fix your wording before calling someone retarded ie Please stop telling people that they are retarded and stupid, because you are the one who needs an education. Seriously, you're flaming and insults are getting out of hand. Most of us here at the poltical forums try to have somewhat educated and adult discussions, you calling someone a "dumbas" isn't helping the situation. |
My post was only directed towards brandogg.
Psyber's comments were irrelevant to what I was saying.
Holy shit I forgot a whole word!
What happened?I must have been in a zone or something and I thought the word but didnt type it.How crazy!
And I dont know why they killed her,she was ugly so who cares.
Ill tone it down a bit but the defense of something I dont agree with only upsets me.I wish someone could say something that actually had substance and could sway my opinion.As of now Ive heard a lot of the same things,which is usually regurgitation from some conservative entertainer.
Does anyone have an opinion of their own?
Post by: nemt on November 17, 2004, 08:30:00 PM
Good.
Post by: Ronnie on November 17, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Nov 17 2004, 11:33 PM) |
| I'm going to keep it simple: Good. |
on his site nemt says he is l33t
LOL
w00t
from his site...
Q: Why don't links work? / Why does the site look funny? / Why is the site slow?
A: Because you aren't using Internet Explorer, like a normal person. Stop using Netscape, it's slow and it sucks. Same thing for Firebird/Firefox/Firecrotch/Whatev - You aren't impressing anyone by "rebelling" against MS. Ditch AOL, there are much cheaper and better internet solutions out there, and most of them actually let you choose which browser to use, they don't force you to use their crappy built in one.
Youre a funny dick rider
ahem.back to toned down level...
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on November 17, 2004, 09:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ronnie @ Nov 17 2004, 11:50 PM) |
| on his site nemt says he is l33t LOL w00t from his site... Q: Why don't links work? / Why does the site look funny? / Why is the site slow? A: Because you aren't using Internet Explorer, like a normal person. Stop using Netscape, it's slow and it sucks. Same thing for Firebird/Firefox/Firecrotch/Whatev - You aren't impressing anyone by "rebelling" against MS. Ditch AOL, there are much cheaper and better internet solutions out there, and most of them actually let you choose which browser to use, they don't force you to use their crappy built in one. Youre a funny dick rider ahem.back to toned down level... |
wow....
why not just use personal attacks to prove our points and reduce ourselves to 8 year olds
Post by: brandogg on November 17, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 18, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 18 2004, 12:27 AM) |
| I'm going to unignore Ronnie this one time. Ronnie, did you not see the boobytraps that have been set up all over insurgent infested areas of Iraq? They rigged several building with explosives, so that when we took out a target, it would cause other building to explode, including at least one school that I've seen. They've been doing it for quite some time. You should also know, don't know if it's been posted, that the day before, the soldier in question had been shot in the face. It should also be known that one of his friends, the day earlier, had been blown to pieces by an insurgent body rigged with explosives. |
No I dont know about any boobytraps besides the one on a train car I just saw on tv today.
I do know about him getting shot in the face because I said that yesterday.
I dont think it matters,it couldnt have been a direct hit cus hed be dead or in the hospital.
What do you expect to happen in a war,people get shot.
He gets shot in the face and lives and then he shoots an unarmed fighter in the head and he dies.
You think its fair?
These soldiers knew that the people in that building were leftovers from the day before because I clearly heard a soldier ask that question.
You have to treat our enemys the way we want to be treated when we are captured.Even if they dont do the same.
Post by: Baner on November 18, 2004, 11:18:00 AM
he shoots an unarmed fighter in the head and he dies."
If you get pissed off when someone disagrees with you, don't you think you'd be a bit ticked off if you got shot in the face, whether or not it was a direct hit, and your friend got blown to shit by a booby-trapped body. Like psi said, I'd be a bit on the jumpy side if I saw the same set-up that killed my friend. And like you said, it's a war, people get shot. If one of our soldier were unarmed, walking down the street, would it not be ok for a terrorist to shoot him? I sure as hell know we wouldn't see that on tv, they won't even show us the damned flagged drapped caskets. I don't understand why our media will report one of our soldiers shooting an iraqi for days on end as "breaking news" but when a civilian woman who helped those fuckin pigs for 30 years out of her life gets executed, it only gets a 5 minute spot on today's news. Our media is bullshit, no wonder why troop moral is low and we have so many damned protestors.
Post by: Ronnie on November 18, 2004, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: Maximumbeing on November 19, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| If you believe that then your too blame for it. Your the ones going around saying it's unjust not the soldiers. Your the one running around saying they are doing a shitty job not the soldiers. Your the one not in uniform criticizing the ones that are. If your so concerned why dont you enlist in the military and go over there to help them out and see that a just war is being waged? |
So you're saying...that the average citizen, who is funding this war, has absolutely no say in it, unless we're over there?
And to be allowed to say that this war is unjust, we have to go over there...and help them kill injured unarmed people in holy temples?
Right, and at what point do we get to pillage and rape?
Oh I mean, "Recatagorize belongings and forcefully accept fornication"
Pillaging and raping are for terrorists.
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 19, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: tupac on November 22, 2004, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on November 22, 2004, 06:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 23 2004, 03:21 AM) |
| If you did that youd do nothing but suck dick....immature, but i fucking hate this guy... |
Post by: tupac on November 22, 2004, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 22, 2004, 08:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 23 2004, 03:21 AM) |
| If you did that youd do nothing but suck dick....immature, but i fucking hate this guy... |
Afraid of a little competition? I know it is hard being a crack whore these days, but then again you don't really suck dick for coke, you suck it for fun. Anyway your comprehension skills don't really seem to be up to par with that of a valedictorian.
. Prick.
Post by: tupac on November 22, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 22, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 23 2004, 05:52 AM) |
| lol, despite my intense hatred for u i have to admit it is fun arguing with an ignorant fuck |
The feeling is mutual I assure you
.| QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 23 2004, 05:52 AM) |
| though i really did kick your ass on basically every point u brought up |
I'd have to disagree with you on that one, and as far as I'm concerned my opinion is the only one that matters. After all this is the internet, and don't really give a shit about what you have to say, I just enjoy arguing.
| QUOTE (tupac @ Nov 23 2004, 05:52 AM) |
| ...and crackwhore? hell, if some girl wants to fuck me AND give me crack im all for it lol |
Even her?
Post by: tupac on November 22, 2004, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on November 23, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (EverythingButAnAnswer @ Nov 23 2004, 06:00 AM) |
| The feeling is mutual I assure you . I'd have to disagree with you on that one, and as far as I'm concerned my opinion is the only one that matters. After all this is the internet, and don't really give a shit about what you have to say, I just enjoy arguing. Even her? |
so many logins but so little time Nemt
Post by: TeleDecoy on November 23, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: Baner on November 23, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: EverythingButAnAnswer on November 23, 2004, 02:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Nov 23 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| so many logins but so little time Nemt |
Caught me again, this really seems to come natural to you, how do you do it? You should look into becoming a private investigator or a detective; your investigative skills are uncanny.
Post by: Maximumbeing on November 23, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I was just saying it's just brainwashed liberals crying about this war and i havent seen the soldiers complaining about it. They are the ones fighting vs you paying 10 cents to the effort i think someone there wins easily. |
And it's just brainwashed republicans that bitch about people protesting something they see as immoral. I asked a soldier how he really felt about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, he told me he'd get 20 to life for his opinion.
Post by: tupac on November 23, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (K98 @ Nov 24 2004, 04:21 AM) |
| You dont get court martialed for speaking out against a war. He'll get court martialed for refusing to fight or following orders but that's different. |
no, i think it is different if ur actually fighting in the war..ill have to ask my roommate tomorrow but i think there are rules about that...