Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: Teralus on November 02, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: SmallBusinessGuy on November 02, 2004, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:03:00 PM
Look at how we voted,its like were back in the civil war.
North Vs South
Anyway no foreigner should talk shit youre governments suck.Except France,Spain, and Italy. But everyone else has bullshit.
Come you english prick,you have a frickin Queen!
FEAR HAS ONE THIS ELECTION
Post by: shanafan on November 02, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ronnie @ Nov 3 2004, 01:44 AM) |
| YOU KNOW WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I know, Jimmy Fallon does suck. He has very little talent, and leaving SNL so early, is just only going to drop his so-called career even further down the toliet.
Jimmy Fallon = Adam Sandler wannabe
Can we say.. Taxi, worst movie in 2004?
Post by: gcskate27 on November 02, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: SmallBusinessGuy on November 02, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ronnie @ Nov 3 2004, 08:06 AM) |
| Lots of americans are dumb shits. Look at how we voted,its like were back in the civil war. North Vs South Anyway no foreigner should talk shit youre governments suck.Except France,Spain, and Italy. But everyone else has bullshit. Come you english prick,you have a frickin Queen! FEAR HAS ONE THIS ELECTION |
Do you know how many constitutions France has had? 27. What has France's foreign policy given us? World War II, Vietnam War, and Africa. Statists are fucking idiots. Ronnie you're a douche.
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:14:00 PM
Jimmy Fallon did suck and I hope he dies in a plane crash but I feel the same way about Bam.I hate him and every fucking loser who likes him and uses the heartagram like its his symbol or something.
Hes a frickin idiot and a damn thief.
AvP....you didnt like that one?
Post by: shanafan on November 02, 2004, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (SmallBusinessGuy @ Nov 3 2004, 03:15 AM) |
| Do you know how many constitutions France has had? 27. What has France's foreign policy given us? World War II, Vietnam War, and Africa. Statists are fucking idiots. Ronnie you're a douche. |
Im not going into a damn history lesson with you dick,but france didnt give us WWII,Vietnam, and Africa.
FDR gave us WWII
http://www.rationalr...et/mccollum.htm - read them all asshole.
and Vietnam was a mistake made by our government.It was a civil war and we treated it like it was something more.France didnt tell the president that US warship were attacked by north vietnamese ships when they werent.I think that blame falls on the radar men who were a little jumpy.Anyway Robert Mcnamara says it best so go see his movie
WTF......Africa?????
I dont like you.
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
Im still sad
Post by: gcskate27 on November 02, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:25:00 PM
Post by: dss311 on November 02, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Owned |
Excellent........!
Post by: gcskate27 on November 02, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:27:00 PM
then I agree.most issues of TIME dont have so much black.
Post by: SmallBusinessGuy on November 02, 2004, 11:29:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
Why the hell would you tell me to read after I told you to?
Go read a little something I call, fuck you.
Seriously man you dont know shit.Please dont come at me like that you cant back up shit you spout.
Post by: brandogg on November 02, 2004, 11:34:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:37:00 PM
Our government failed us horribly and this is the evidence.These papers have been shown on the history channel on some of their pearl harbor shows.
Post by: Ronnie on November 02, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: brandogg on November 02, 2004, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on November 03, 2004, 12:04:00 AM
*no offense to anyone who could actually bring themselves to vote for bush... just in a bad mood right now...
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 03, 2004, 12:05:00 AM
Living by Fort Campbell (101st airborne screaming eagles), I have many friends in the army, and I do go on base occassionally. Its sad to see the soldiers protrayed like animals in Farenheit 9/11. My friends that came back from the war are volunteering to go back, but not because they want to kill people and are looking for a war. Most of the soldiers that returned are mad how the media only showed soldiers dieing, and not soldiers helping the communities by building roads, schools, and handing out food.
What is funny is that Kerry's great line on taxes is "rich people like me don't need the tax breaks that Bush gave us." I would say that too when my wife only pays 10% taxes on her reported 40+ million dollars a year, while i make hardly anything and pay 30% taxes.
When people tell me that we went to war over oil, I would like to beat the crap out of them. That's why my local gas price is $1.87 (yeah its cheaper here than most places, but still expensive in my mind.) Farenheit 9/11 is the biggest crock of crap i watched. Too bad the media didn't publicize FarenHype 9/11 as much. The only place i found it was at wal-mart after a friend told me about it (and it was nowhere near farenheit). Blockbuster only had Farenheit also. What's funny is that Farenheit is supposed to be a documentary... heh. Hardly anyone has watched Stolen honor, but thats because the DNC sued Sinclair broadcasting for publishing a movie that can change the election, however farenheit went untouched to the publisher.
I am just glad that in the end, Bush did win (i guess we will find out in a while if ohio is contested). Now he can finish the war that started a long time ago against Iraq, and then concentrate on the next road block, North Korea and Iran.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 03, 2004, 12:09:00 AM
but by the way, i don't see how Kerry expected young voters to vote... for him. Thats like al gore expecting Tennesseans (like myself) to vote for him since he was from tennessee.
Post by: imthewa1rus on November 03, 2004, 12:11:00 AM
Post by: shanafan on November 03, 2004, 12:11:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| The next vice president of the United States of America, John Edwards! |
Post by: gcskate27 on November 03, 2004, 12:11:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on November 03, 2004, 12:13:00 AM
but i do agree: how could anyone want him for another four years?
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 03, 2004, 12:15:00 AM
the proof
http://www.allposter...Kerry&SearchID=
http://www.movieprop...cosmoposter.htm
Post by: shanafan on November 03, 2004, 12:15:00 AM
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 03, 2004, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: kenji urban on November 03, 2004, 12:17:00 AM
Post by: Colonel32 on November 03, 2004, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: Ronnie on November 03, 2004, 12:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (kenji urban @ Nov 3 2004, 04:20 AM) |
| Ronnie i think your a fucking legend! |
Why are you making fun of me?
Post by: Ronnie on November 03, 2004, 01:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (alwaysonjohn @ Nov 3 2004, 04:08 AM) |
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| Its sad that a movie based on fiction (yes fiction, and complete lies) could convince people to vote for a man so horrible as kerry. If you only realized what he did in vietnam (or didn't do, but report was done). |
Why not give a single example of a lie in his movie?
Youre talking about lies as in "Saddam Hussein is an immenent threat to the united states" and "Saddam has mobile biological weapons labs"?
I think that wasnt a movie,I think it was real life.
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| Living by Fort Campbell (101st airborne screaming eagles), I have many friends in the army, and I do go on base occassionally. Its sad to see the soldiers protrayed like animals in Farenheit 9/11. My friends that came back from the war are volunteering to go back, but not because they want to kill people and are looking for a war. Most of the soldiers that returned are mad how the media only showed soldiers dieing, and not soldiers helping the communities by building roads, schools, and handing out food. |
Soldiers are not trained to do these good things you speak of,they are trained to kill and win wars.If they want to fix roads then they should work for the city and not put themselves in a dangerous situation where they could be blown up by a damn car bomb.And if they wanna hand out food I think they can do that at any homeless shelter,again not much danger but it may smell like hobo's.These people you speak of exist in your mind,no soldier wants to die and give their lives for people who hate them.There are terrorists in Iraq fighting Americans and her allies and then there are those who fight for liberation from US occupation.Were the Vietnamese terrorist when they were killing Americans by any means?No they just wanted us out,the same goes for the people in Iraq.I say fuck them,no one came and fought for Americas liberty we fought and we won.Its been done before and will be done again, America shouldnt do what its done in Iraq.There was no threat,there were no terrorist targeting the US,it was not right.
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| What is funny is that Kerry's great line on taxes is "rich people like me don't need the tax breaks that Bush gave us." I would say that too when my wife only pays 10% taxes on her reported 40+ million dollars a year, while i make hardly anything and pay 30% taxes. |
Again Id like to say youre a dumbass.People as rich as the Kerry's give 50% of their income to taxes.How could you not know this?
| QUOTE |
| When people tell me that we went to war over oil, I would like to beat the crap out of them. That's why my local gas price is $1.87 (yeah its cheaper here than most places, but still expensive in my mind.) Farenheit 9/11 is the biggest crock of crap i watched. Too bad the media didn't publicize FarenHype 9/11 as much. The only place i found it was at wal-mart after a friend told me about it (and it was nowhere near farenheit). Blockbuster only had Farenheit also. What's funny is that Farenheit is supposed to be a documentary... heh. Hardly anyone has watched Stolen honor, but thats because the DNC sued Sinclair broadcasting for publishing a movie that can change the election, however farenheit went untouched to the publisher. |
Id like to beat the crap out of you!You didnt notice that huge drop in the price of gas a few months ago?You dont think that happened because gas station operators wanted to give you a good deal do you?It happened because we were pumping gas out of Iraq and into US tankers.Too bad Iraqi freedom fighters(I hate them too but they are fighting for us to leave) blew up those oil pipelines and the Haliburton(yes they are) employees havent been able to repair them because of a lack of security.
The Michael Moore movies didnt get the boot because people had to pay to see it,it wasnt aired on free Tv the way that movie about Kerry was to be.Dont you know disney was to distribute(and owned the rights) Fahrenheit 9/11?They were going to keep it on the shelf because disney has a huge interest in florida called Disney World.
They felt if they put out the movie it would have repercussions from Jeb Bush,the govenor of the state.Sounds ike it was "touched" just a little.
The DNC never sued sinclair you damn lying biatch,shut the hell up with these lies.
| QUOTE |
I am just glad that in the end, Bush did win (i guess we will find out in a while if ohio is contested). Now he can finish the war that started a long time ago against Iraq, and then concentrate on the next road block, North Korea and Iran. |
Yes now we can have not just 1 or 2 Americans killed a day but instead we can go for thousands.North Korea has the 3rd largest army and they are well trained and loyal to their leader.And now they have nukes and the Taep'o-dong III missle that can hit anywhere on the west coast.
What exactly are they the road block to?Please give me an answer.
We wouldnt have to deal with such a threat from them or the Iranians had the United States not made the mistakes it did dealing with these countires.
Before the Korean war we didnt arm the south korean leader(the good guy) instead we armed the North leader(the bad guy) and he rolled his tanks and troops to the tip of the peninsula before the UN and the US acted and pushed them back,nearly to the chinese boarder.And with Iran,I think most people know about the Shah of Iran...
Post by: powercntrl on November 03, 2004, 02:07:00 AM
Post by: Bulletproof on November 03, 2004, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: powercntrl on November 03, 2004, 04:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Nov 3 2004, 06:33 AM) |
| like a friend once told me....Every empire has its fall, weather its the romans, the british...Sooner or later they are nothing, now that americans decided to vote stupid....Welll there you go, say good bye to all your traditions ! |
It will happen, either a climate change (seriously, the movie The Day After Tomorrow is based on sound science) or an economic shift could bring about the undoing of the USA. Bush loves to preach about how outsourcing is so great, until the day our country produces nothing and no one here can buy anything because we're all out of work. Course, I think collapsing the entire economy in 4 years is a lofty goal even for Bush.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on November 03, 2004, 04:39:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| George W. Bush : There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: "Fool me once..." George W. Bush : [pause] George W. Bush : "... shame on...". George W. Bush : [pause] George W. Bush : "Shame on you..." George W. Bush : [pause] George W. Bush : "If fooled, you can't get fooled again." |
well, we were fooled once... now if hes back in.. we were fooled again.
bow before the great american president!
Post by: SniperKilla on November 03, 2004, 05:31:00 AM
Post by: nemt on November 03, 2004, 05:37:00 AM
Post by: brandogg on November 03, 2004, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: SigTom on November 03, 2004, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: thomes08 on November 03, 2004, 06:43:00 AM
^^ a few of the things you said were either wrong or didn't make any sense but it doesn't really matter now anyways
thomes08
Post by: SigTom on November 03, 2004, 07:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Nov 3 2004, 08:46 AM) |
| ^^ a few of the things you said were either wrong or didn't make any sense but it doesn't really matter now anyways thomes08 |
Hmmm Oooook.
Post by: OrkanMan on November 03, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
And Dan Rather was talking about Stark County, Ohio...which is exactly where I live. (Canton is in Stark County)
It's just weird to see them talking about your county on the national news. But there's a saying that goes something like this, "As Stark County goes, so does Ohio, so does the County." In fact, John Kerry said that when he visited my high school last summer.
EDIT: The strange part is, I think Stark County went to Kerry...but I could be wrong.
Post by: buttface96 on November 03, 2004, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: OrkanMan on November 03, 2004, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: pug_ster on November 03, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: brandogg on November 03, 2004, 08:04:00 AM
Post by: ahoatam on November 03, 2004, 08:19:00 AM
There is a lot of animosity directed towards W (or Gee-Dub, as we call him in the hood) that the Democratic party propbably could have achieved a lanslide victory. Too bad they fucked themselves in the Iowa caucauses and picked the lamest, most liberal, most disconnected candidate possible. Dean or Clarke could have stormed the place. Kerry? He doesn't connect. (Anyone remember Bob Dole? He didn't conect either, at least not until after the campaign)
And Micheal Moore... Five years ago, in my liberal film school, we studied moore. We studied Roger & Me in two documentary classes. I learned how Moore edits to change around the order of events... to twist the perception of truth. He changes interview responses and issues a stream of half-truths. He's a dangerous man who muddies the term "documentary." Once again, I studied this five years ago, when Slick Willie was in the White House, before Moore's political agenda made so many headlines. I don't think he's changed his ways.
I'm sure I'll catch my share of flaming in here. I'm not looking to start arguements though, just sharing events of the last year from my perspective. Now I just want to move on...
-thanks for the time
Post by: pug_ster on November 03, 2004, 08:21:00 AM
As for the war in Iraq and Middle East, what are the chances that there will be some kind of diplomancy between the US and the Muslims in the Middle east? As long as Bush is president there will be some kind of tension between US and them. So for every terrorist that we killed, probably 2 or 3 will join their cause. And you will see more US troops when they will do the final attack at Falijuah and they will need more troops.
I am a pessimist because what the president did in the last 4 years. You tell me why I should be an optimist.
Post by: brandogg on November 03, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: CreziB on November 03, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: pug_ster on November 03, 2004, 09:02:00 AM
I agree with ahoatam that Kerry is not the best candidate and Dean or Clarke is probably a better candidate than Kerry. If either Dean or Clarke were running for President, they could've probably won.
Post by: brandogg on November 03, 2004, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: ProSam on November 03, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (ahoatam @ Nov 3 2004, 12:22 PM) |
| As a conservative Republican, I can say I'm pleased and maybe even a little surprised. I can readily admit that W is not the most well-spoken man, but he's a man of conviction I don't always agree with those convictions, but he stands by what he believes - even when it's unpopular - in a country strikingly low on conviction. That's balls, or courage, or whatever you want to call it. And I respect that. He may be wrong sometimes, but at least we know what to expect from him. There is a lot of animosity directed towards W (or Gee-Dub, as we call him in the hood) that the Democratic party propbably could have achieved a lanslide victory. Too bad they fucked themselves in the Iowa caucauses and picked the lamest, most liberal, most disconnected candidate possible. Dean or Clarke could have stormed the place. Kerry? He doesn't connect. (Anyone remember Bob Dole? He didn't conect either, at least not until after the campaign) And Micheal Moore... Five years ago, in my liberal film school, we studied moore. We studied Roger & Me in two documentary classes. I learned how Moore edits to change around the order of events... to twist the perception of truth. He changes interview responses and issues a stream of half-truths. He's a dangerous man who muddies the term "documentary." Once again, I studied this five years ago, when Slick Willie was in the White House, before Moore's political agenda made so many headlines. I don't think he's changed his ways. I'm sure I'll catch my share of flaming in here. I'm not looking to start arguements though, just sharing events of the last year from my perspective. Now I just want to move on... -thanks for the time |
Very Well Said. I Agree Wholeheartedly.
Post by: Heet on November 03, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: johnnobts on November 03, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
wow, first time for everything i guess... i agree with some of the other comments from my conservative friends... i don't appreciate the outrageous remarks coming from the other side of the aisle. actors like martin sheen who called bush a moron, and kim basinger who said she'd move out of the country if bush was elected, like sen. joe biden who called the president "brain dead," like al gor who ranted and raved saying "he betrayed this country..." come on... i also agree that if kerry had been elected, by and large the majority of republicans and conservative independents wouldn't pitch as big a hissy fit...
plus to all those here in the forums calling us "stupid american voters," "crazy right-wingers," "pyscho-Christians," etc., etc. I'd just submit to you that evanelical Chiristians have every right to be involved in the democratic process, and because we felt that so many moral choices were on the table for this years election (stem cell, partial birth abortion, homosexual marriage), we were highly mobilized and showed up at the polls. i'd also like to add that we did this WITHOUT expressly endorsing a particular party or candidate, unlike certain other religous leaders in the democratic party (jackson, sharpton getting away with endorsing a candidate in church makes me sick).
i know that america is going to be smeared across the globe by more progressive, less traditional, more secular, less religous nations for moving a notch farther to the right, but i'm telling you, even a lot of midwestern democrats couldn't stomach moving as far left as people like kerry, dean, michael moore, hollywood, etc. wanted our nation to go...
finally, let me just preview the next presidential race, between hillary clinton (no-brainer) and whoever the republican party chooses. republicans better pay close attention to the church-going protestants and practicing catholics. just as we wouldn't tolerate pete coors in colorado, we may not be so fond of voting for arnold (pro-choice, pro-stem cell, pro homosexual marriage), guiliani (same) or mccain (same)... its our next candidate may be a rice, powell, frist, or even another, more articulate bush (jeb).
Post by: swissdude99 on November 03, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: faynor on November 03, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Nov 3 2004, 06:05 PM) |
| The only thing I do know that he did something right was a refund of $300 check with W's name on it a few years back. But I know that I will have to pay for it a few years later in tax increases. I agree with ahoatam that Kerry is not the best candidate and Dean or Clarke is probably a better candidate than Kerry. If either Dean or Clarke were running for President, they could've probably won. |
You don't really believe that do you pug???
I mean come on, you were defending Kerry like he was your daddy. Just deal with the results and support your country. If Kerry would have won , all of you would be cramming it down our throats. I feel good about the results, especially after looking at the popular vote totals. It seems like all the democrats are all fired up about the results, but can't contest them since it is what the country as a whole wanted. Well, not a whole.... See you in 4 more years...Bring your "A" game this time.
Post by: johnnobts on November 03, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
plus, when we talk about conservativism, its a mixed bag... you can be morally liberal but fiscally conservative, just like you can be a morally conservative but fiscally insane. in this year's election, its obvious based on the exit polls that these were the top priorities for most voters (in the swing states):
1. moral issue
2. terrorism
3. economy (distant third!)
personally i'm pleasantly surprised we didn't vote our wallets for a change. it wasnt' "the economy, stupid."
Post by: T-1200 on November 03, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: chilin_dude on November 03, 2004, 10:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Nov 3 2004, 07:19 AM) |
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Had to quote it
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| letsall rejoice in one verse from queens 'we are the champions' because.. damn... victory is SWEET! |
A great song
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Title: Bush Wins
Post by: dss311 on November 03, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
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Post by: dss311 on November 03, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
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| Well if 9/11 #2 happens dont expect any sympathy from me cause you clowns will deserve it, voting that hill billy dumb c.unt in. |
We will take our chances without you T-1200. LMAO @ Such a stupid comment! Like we really care........
Post by: pug_ster on November 03, 2004, 10:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (faynor @ Nov 3 2004, 07:20 PM) |
| You don't really believe that do you pug??? I mean come on, you were defending Kerry like he was your daddy. Just deal with the results and support your country. If Kerry would have won , all of you would be cramming it down our throats. I feel good about the results, especially after looking at the popular vote totals. It seems like all the democrats are all fired up about the results, but can't contest them since it is what the country as a whole wanted. Well, not a whole.... See you in 4 more years...Bring your "A" game this time. |
I always have said that Kerry wasn't the best Democratic candidate, but I think he is better than Bush. I would've have voted any Democrat or Repubican if he's a decent candidate who can work with the senate and House to get real legistration passed instead of bi-partisan politics. So far, Kerry is the better person to do that wheras Bush has the take it or leave it stands on everything.
Johnnobts. About what you said, there are Americans who are not Christian, or gay, or for Stem Cell Research. I rather have a candidate on what a President who can take us in the next 4 years.
Post by: T-1200 on November 03, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: polyesterjones on November 03, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (T-1200 @ Nov 3 2004, 07:29 PM) |
| Well if 9/11 #2 happens dont expect any sympathy from me cause you clowns will deserve it, voting that hill billy dumb c.unt in. |
Sounds to me like you are just yearning to have another 9/11 just to prove a point.
Real tactful, asshole.
Post by: T-1200 on November 03, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (polyesterjones @ Nov 3 2004, 07:37 PM) |
| Sounds to me like you are just yearning to have another 9/11 just to prove a point. Real tactful, asshole. |
touched a nerve there arsehole.
if it does happen then you know who to blame dickhead.
Post by: dss311 on November 03, 2004, 10:37:00 AM
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| Micheal Moore, Hollywood(Ben Afleck, Rosie Odonell, Whoopi Goldberg, Susan Sarandon, Puff Daddy, Bob Franken (Air America radio station), etc...), The Networks(CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC), The Anchors(Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw) and all the other idiots that liberals think are an asset to the Democrat party |
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Post by: T-1200 on November 03, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: Baner on November 03, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
The demos would have been much better off picking someone who wasn't so liberal, if they had someone who had some of the same ideals of Bush, we would have had a new president. People we're voting against Bush, not for Kerry, think what would have happened if the Demos had someone the people wanted to vote for. Too bad it's all said and done.
I just wanna say, Kerry had a good run, but all the negative publicity on both ends didn't help either canidate, and the fact that people we're only voting him to smite Bush didn't help much either.
As for the crazed liberals and retarded foriegners, take it easy.(Directed at the first page with Ronnie, and this page with T-1200)
As for T-1200, I can see where your anger is directed, but hoping for another 3k civilians to die, just because we voted for a president you don't agree with, is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. I suggest you move down to New Zealand, where you'll fit right in with the far-left liberals, and thier trasnvestite seanators.
Edit: Seeing that your form the UK, don't you guys have elections coming up in January? Don't most of you disagree with Blair? Won't Blair be your next prime minister? I think you might wanna worry abotu how your country is being run, before worrying about ours...
Post by: johnnobts on November 03, 2004, 10:51:00 AM
yes, we'll blame the terrorists.
Post by: rahula on November 03, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: T-1200 on November 03, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: Baner on November 03, 2004, 11:04:00 AM
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| I hate that cunt Blair as much as I hate Bush. |
Then worry about your own damned country. None of us care what your 13 year old mind has to say about our president. Go get your mommy to make you an anti-Blair sign, and come back and tell us how you got your ass kicked by the bobbies.
Post by: Heet on November 03, 2004, 11:05:00 AM
Post by: poiygon on November 03, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
I believe Bush has handled himself very well. Sure, I'd like to see our troops return home and the Middle East become a safe place for everyone. I'm sure Kerry would cut a lot of military funding the day after his inauguration. Where would that leave our troops and the situation over seas? Many of them would be coming home, leaving whatever US entities there more seseptible to terrorist attacks.
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 03, 2004, 11:20:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on November 03, 2004, 11:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (johnnobts @ Nov 3 2004, 08:54 AM) |
| I mentioned this several times in the posts that the American people would re-elect George Bush, despite the media polls... Couple reasons for this: 1. This biggest factor: people who voted on moral issues: the religious right showed up at the polls. Protestant evangelicals and practicing catholics (including religious minorities who broke party lines) didn't want the most liberal senator in the land holding the highest office in the land (and potentially picking future justices) 2. The Youth Vote: they didn't show up... 17% of people ages 18-29 voted, the same percentage as last election. sorry "p-diddy's Vote or Die" workers... what's more, young voters did NOT vote overwhelmingly for Kerry as predicted. There are some other reasons why I think Kerry lost... He wasn't the best democratic candidate... After all, history has proven that when the democratic party has embraced a liberal candidate rather than a centrist one (i.e., Dukakis), they lose. He also chose a weak running mate, even though Kerry has a flashy smile. Should have picked a running mate who could have really helped him in the west or in the the SOuth (Gephardt). A minority candidate would have helped, or a Jewish running mate. Again, Bush stole a lot of Jewish voters this year for his support for Israel. I know this will burn many of you foreigners up. but hey, that's how democracy works in the greatest democracy in the world (even though india is larger)... |
Excellent post
Post by: gcskate27 on November 03, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: johnnobts on November 03, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
yes, that really is the best news for all of america. and let me just say, if the master chief ran for commander-and-chief (and if he was real), he would garner 95% of the vote from the xbox party, and may even swing some of the independents and even the FPS loving sony crowd. of course there's walways the mario-factor. that liberal plumber could end up spoiling it like perot in '92 nader in 2000...
Post by: melon on November 03, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Heet @ Nov 3 2004, 08:08 PM) |
| swissdude Bush didnt "create" a deficit. If anyone did it was a bunch of Muslims. As a matter of fact, Bush came into office with an economy that swelled so much and was so great, that it only had one way to go and that was down. Glad the US is steadily becoming less liberal. |
With all due respect that is one of the lame excuses I have ever heard...
On Topic, you have to hand it to Bush he was a better politician at the end of the day. He had a better team backing him up and ran a very, very good campaign. Before people saying say its just politics they all do it, this was exceptional politics. Thats not a criticism most people know i cant stand him, but credit where its due. Even though my heart goes out to people like gcskate right now.
Post by: powercntrl on November 03, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Nov 3 2004, 08:34 AM) |
| letsall rejoice in one verse from queens 'we are the champions' because.. damn... victory is SWEET! |
You do realize the irony in that Queen was gay?
I absolutely love this country... Gays can be entertainers but they can't marry. Every king needs his court jesters, I guess. Hail Bush!
Post by: ahoatam on November 03, 2004, 02:13:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Well if 9/11 #2 happens dont expect any sympathy from me cause you clowns will deserve it, voting that hill billy dumb c.unt in. |
I cannot begin to express how out of line that post is. NOBODY deserves 9/11. None of those firemen, police officers, office workers, airline passengers, and their families deserved that... They were innocent lives, and if it happens again, you can rest assured they will be innocents regardless of their vote or their party affiliation.
Furthermore, the notion that we Americans would change our vote a-la-Spain because of terror threats is absurd. No one will hold a gun to my head and tell me how to vote. I have a family to protect, and electing a man who will kow-tow to the enemy will not be protecting them.
You disgust me with your "you clowns will deserve it" comment. American blood has spilled more than once for your country. While you don't owe us anything for that, I think we all owe those innocent lives of 9/11 a little respect.
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 03, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
| QUOTE |
David Bowie featuring Nine Inch Nails - "I'm Afraid of Americans" Lyrics Johnnys in america, low-techs at the Wheel No-one needs anyone, they dont even Just pretend Johnnys in america Im afraid of americans Im afraid of the world Im afraid I cant help it Im afraid I cant Johnnys in america Johnny wants a brain, johnny wants to Suck on a coke Johnny wants a woman, johnny wants To think of a joke Johnnys in america Im afraid of americans Im afraid of the world Im afraid I cant help it Im afraid I cant Johnnys in america Johnnys in america, johnny looks up at The stars Johnny combs his hair and johnny Wants pussy and cars Johnnys in america Im afraid of americans Im afraid of the world Im afraid I cant help it Im afraid I cant Johnnys in america God is an american Im afraid of americans Im afraid of the world Im afraid I cant help it Im afraid I cant Im afraid of americans Im afraid of the words Im afraid I cant help it Im afraid I cant Johnnys in america Johnnys in america |
Post by: Ronnie on November 03, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 03, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on November 03, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: awal on November 03, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: Bulletproof on November 03, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: LepPpeR on November 03, 2004, 07:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Nov 3 2004, 10:43 PM) |
| It's funny, americans say for us to mind our own business..But yet when attacks hit them, it's like "Join us in iraq" we need your help...Well, you've paid with 1120 soldiers, and 200 billion dollars, plus america could not be in more danger |
I care more about the lives lost than I do money. Life is priceless in my opinion. Plus when you think about it, its only about 700 dollars a person if you simply take the number you gave(which is not correct) and divide it into the number of people in our country.
Plus, in an economy that is over 10 trillion dollars a year I am sure we can afford it.
I do not remember any attack happening and then America saying "Hey Canada, come join us in Iraq" Can you elaborate on where you are getting your information. I might stand corrected if you provide a useful link.
Post by: Heet on November 03, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Bulletproof on November 04, 2004, 03:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (K98 @ Nov 3 2004, 10:14 PM) |
| Yeah we forced you in the war, and made you fight. What a stupid ass thing to say. No more comments needed. |
Never said you forced us, but you did ask for help...And you can't tell me that bush very real happy when he knew Britain & Australia would only be the major give in for the troops..
Post by: Bulletproof on November 04, 2004, 03:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (LepPpeR @ Nov 3 2004, 10:38 PM) |
| I care more about the lives lost than I do money. Life is priceless in my opinion. Plus when you think about it, its only about 700 dollars a person if you simply take the number you gave(which is not correct) and divide it into the number of people in our country. Plus, in an economy that is over 10 trillion dollars a year I am sure we can afford it. I do not remember any attack happening and then America saying "Hey Canada, come join us in Iraq" Can you elaborate on where you are getting your information. I might stand corrected if you provide a useful link. |
Well, 700$ is not affordable for everyone.....Espicially for a useless war, I wonder if america would have told everyone of the bush voters that they would be paying 700$ straight out for Iraq...Would bush still be president for the next 4 yrs ? Regarding canada's involvement, bush did ask for canada..That's why our priminister clearly said " Canada will not send troops to iraq, unless the UN approval " ..And a few month later, as I scratch your back you scratch mine....Not one canadian companie has been offered a contracting position in Iraq....Don't say bush did not ask for help, it was his job to build the coalition.
Post by: mars3008 on November 04, 2004, 04:38:00 AM
Post by: icantstandtoburntolong on November 04, 2004, 05:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (Heet @ Nov 3 2004, 10:23 PM) |
| ^ Damn I like these posts. Keep them coming. I bet the Libs dont accept endorsements from Micheal Moore's and Katy Courics next year. I still dont know why they didnt see it coming and openly invited these idiots to their party. Whateva, hope you guys rock the vote next year with puffy and Britney Spears! |
Now lets get one thing clear: Britney Spears is on YOUR team
Post by: Corspegrinder99 on November 04, 2004, 08:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (bigted41 @ Nov 4 2004, 05:02 PM) |
| i just think it's funny that all of the rest of the world is laughing that we voted bush in again, and goddammit, we'll defend him til we die... i'm not willing to defend a man that can barely read a speech or read a teleprompter. that's just me, i just thank god we've got dick cheney in the VP's office for when 9/11 happens to W's fase. |
lol thats what i was abobut to post ^^
Post by: OrkanMan on November 04, 2004, 08:23:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| i just think it's funny that all of the rest of the world is laughing that we voted bush in again, and goddammit, we'll defend him til we die... i'm not willing to defend a man that can barely read a speech or read a teleprompter. that's just me, i just thank god we've got dick cheney in the VP's office for when 9/11 happens to W's fase. |
1.) The rest of the world is not laughing.
2.) He can barely read a speech? C'MON, retard!...the guy has made hundreds of speeches in his lifetime and messes up every once in a while.
3.) "i just thank god we've got dick cheney in the VP's office for when 9/11 happens to W's fase." - I have no idea what you meant by that.
Post by: gcskate27 on November 04, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| 1.) The rest of the world is not laughing. |
youre right, theyre mourning...
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 04, 2004, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 04, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Nov 4 2004, 06:51 PM) |
| umm your either with us or against us? |
lol agreed
Post by: bigted41 on November 04, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| i hear there's rumors on the internets |
Post by: OrkanMan on November 04, 2004, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: bigted41 on November 04, 2004, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 04, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I hear there's rumors on the internets |
wow. If that is the only significant thing a person will derive from a national debate, their intelligence level must be the lowest.
Post by: Baner on November 04, 2004, 11:40:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| A fitting video and/ song for this election: |
America is not the World by Morrissey
Great song
This thread is going nowhere fast, so I figured I'd help push it in the wrong direction.
America is now run by us gun-loving Gay-hating war-seeking conservative Republicans, run and hide form our evil tyrinical leader Bush! Long-live our Czar!
Discuss
Post by: Arvarden on November 04, 2004, 11:46:00 AM
Are you gay? Do you whip your friends with daffodils?
Post by: Ronnie on November 04, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
I voted for Kerry not because I needed him but rather because I thought everyone else did.
He said he would get the soldiers out of Iraq and I thought if they're not in Iraq they probably wont die so much.I guess that issue didn't matter to most people.
Kerry wanted to federally fund stem cell research and bush has opposed it.I again thought that people with helping,or at least trying to help people with debilitating diseases would be an issue.
I don't have any of those problems that could be helped by that research but others do and I cared about them.
There are a few other reasons I voted for Special K but its moot now.
Next time around I say fuck everyone else in the USA and the fuck the whole world.
Now I hope we kill every fucker who looks at us wrong.War is good entertainment for me,so Ill be getting something good from Bush and I gotta give thanks for that.
Post by: OrkanMan on November 04, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i just love how conservatives are the first to get pissed off and start name calling. |
Hahahahaha....wait, are you serious?
Post by: Whankster on November 04, 2004, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 04, 2004, 10:09:00 PM
Eat a dick dumbass.
Post by: brandogg on November 04, 2004, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 04, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
Did Bill just call you up and tell you to post that?
He didnt see Bin Laden as a real threat,we didnt find out he was working with the muslims that attacked the twin tower in 1991 until very recently.We didnt know he was worked with the Somalians until recently either.
Of course he knew about Osama and Al Qeada but he didnt know what was going to happen and he was the kind of man who would actually wait to be attacked before bombing a country,thats the way it should be.
And didnt bush have ample time to get bin laden before 9-11-01?Wasnt he the president?Did he not know about Osama?
Of course he did,he even got a report about bin laden with the title "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US".What did he do after he read that?Nothing cus he didnt,he didnt think is was more important than golf.
Its true,dont deny it.
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 05, 2004, 02:01:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| he even got a report about bin laden with the title "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US".What did he do after he read that?Nothing cus he didnt,he didnt think is was more important than golf. |
sorry, but that is a lame argument.
Because, even if he could tell from that memo that Osama Bin Laden was DEFINATELY going to make these huge attacks, Bush would not have been able to stop him. I feel the real failure was on the part of these airport security personnel, on that terrible morning. Seems suspicous when a large group of mean-looking Saudis walk by, don't you think?
It is purely ludicrous to say Bush could have prevented this attack. Even with the US's current anti-terrorism laws, it is not going to be airtight, I'm sure there may be more attempts to come. We can only hope they can be prevented.
Actually, think about it long enough, and you will reach the same conclusion the President did. The best way to defeat terrorism is to spread freedom. We can change the world in which we live, and it is a noble role to assume in the world. Of course America will catch a lot of flack for it. I beleive the flack was in the EXTREME. Many people who disagree with Bush's policies (not based on the policies themselves, but based on what they think his intentions are), distrust those who wear their morality like a badge.
And that is where I disagree with Bush. He is far to open with his beleifs, causing unbeleivers to question his credibility. After all, he is the president of the united states of america, not an evangelist. While I can see how christians like myself are called to spread the gospel, he is far too open with his religion. It makes everyone uncomfortable, so now most people believe that the armageddon is coming soon!
Whether that is the case or not, I still tend to agree with Bush.
He said, "I love to hear people tell me they are praying for me and my family". THAT is exactly where americans gets uncomfortable. It has the appearance of Bush saying he cannot make a mistake because he has the "back-up" from the Lord.
Mr. Chips
Post by: IheartHuckabees on November 05, 2004, 07:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (brandogg @ Nov 5 2004, 07:14 AM) |
| Yes, we were much better when Clinton was in office, when his administration had not one, but two chances to actually kill Bin Laden, or at least have him brought to the US, because we knew exactly where he was. That didn't hurt us at all. |
but we were much better off with clinton in office
Post by: Corspegrinder99 on November 05, 2004, 07:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Nov 4 2004, 05:55 PM) |
| youre right, theyre mourning... |
LMAO
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 05, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (bigted41 @ Nov 4 2004, 07:13 PM) |
| [complaining from a democrat] first of all it's my right to complain, so please don't tell me to "stfu." because it's not your place to say that. and i commend kerry for conceiding the election. now about that hundreds of speeches, why is he the president who has made the least amount of press-conferences since the TV era? if he didn't sound like such a dumbass and screw up so much, he might talk more to the people. he still seems like a frat boy to me, what with the inappropriate laughing at the debates and joke-cracking throughout the three debates... bottom line, the country was better with Clinton in office. sorry for making my views known and making you mad enough to yell at me [/complaining from a democrat] |
Sorry for telling you to stfu, and yes it is your right to complain.
| QUOTE |
| sorry for making my views known and making you mad enough to yell at me |
It ok, I think you misinterpreted the intent of my post.
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Title: Bush Wins
Post by: blueshogun96 on November 05, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
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Post by: blueshogun96 on November 05, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (Arvarden @ Nov 4 2004, 08:47 PM) |
| "Don't tell me to "stfu." because it's not your place to say that" STFU. |
Once again, sorry for saying stfu. Blueshogun... STFU! Happy now? Now stfu! lol just joking
(but the apology was serious )
Post by: OrkanMan on November 05, 2004, 11:55:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| very serious, look at arvarden's posts and your own before you went and edited all of them..... |
Whatever dooode. And I only edited like, 1 post.
Post by: Baner on November 05, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| look at arvarden's posts |
| QUOTE ("Arvarden") |
| Are you gay? Do you whip your friends with daffodils? |
I don't think he's a conservative.
| QUOTE |
| he even got a report about bin laden with the title "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US".What did he do after he read that?Nothing cus he didnt,he didnt think is was more important than golf. |
Looks like you got that striaght from the devil's, I mean Moore's mouth.
I'd like you to tell me what you would have done if you got a report that said, World's most wanted and richest terrorist is planing an attack somewhere in America (you know, with the 250 Million targets(people), and land mass bigger than most nations in the world, not to mention all the embasies, military bases, and various other american owned entities in the world). You have no clue how he's going to attack, boat, plane, suicide bombers? You have no clue where he is, you have no clue how many followers he has. Sure, the Twin Towers were a large target, but so are many other buildings in the states.
| QUOTE |
| He said he would get the soldiers out of Iraq and I thought if they're not in Iraq they probably wont die so much.I guess that issue didn't matter to most people. |
I want the troops out of the Middle East as much as the next repub or demo, but I would rather have had it happen before our march in Iraq. We've lost too many soldiers to pull out half-way thru, thier lives would have been wasted for no reason. The elections in Iraq are coming closer everyday, maybe, with a bit of luck(and with the death of Arafat, yay he's in a coma!!), thier might be peace in the Middle East for some period of time.
| QUOTE |
| Kerry wanted to federally fund stem cell research |
I'm not one to play God. I find it taking it to far when people are put on life support for long amounts of time. Hate to say it, but some people are less fortunate than others.(I know your goign to say, what if you needed it, if I had the choice, I'd decline it. If it's my time, then it's my time)
Post by: pepsik on November 05, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
American diplomacy also took a dive this term with the rest of the world viewing america as the asshole in the west, whether we like it or not our economy is globally based and we need to convince people outside of this country that we aren't going down the shitter with internal conflicts.
/end .02 cents
Post by: Baner on November 05, 2004, 12:53:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Here's my argument, it's not security but economy. |
If you do a bit of research, you'll see that the previous adminastration leads the economic outcome of the next adminastration. I'm not saying that Clinton is completely at fault for our current deficit, but he didn't aid it at all. Notice how the economy is now growing, much like it was with Clinton going into his second term.
Our economy isn't as bad off as many are made to believe. Many large companies stocks that were projected to be going under, are actually on the rise, take Delta for example. They've recently laid off a large group of workers, but thier stock never did take a large hit.
| QUOTE |
| impeachment will threaten his second term as it did Clinton's. |
Clinton's second term wasn't threatend with an impeachment til his scandel with Lewinski. The only reason for his impeachment was him lieing under oath, it had nothing to do with the way the country was being run.
| QUOTE |
| American diplomacy also took a dive |
Our diplomacy isn't too bad either. Many of the other nations despise Bush, but still accept America. We still have our allies backing us up that we expected to have (ie. Britain & Austrlia), and for those who oppose America's presence in the Middle East, it wasn't a shock either. Germany never did have the same views as America, France is about the dirtiest players in the book, and Russia is always iffy. As far the other nations who pulled out after a couple of thier citizens were captured by terrorists, and in Spains case, terrorists attacks on thier nation, are pussys. If they committed to going in at first, pulling out due to a terrorist attack(which is what they're fighting against, is it not?), is cowardly. You can't expect to go into a war, with your enemies so hell bent on destroying your idealolgy that they'll sneak attack 3000 of your civilians, and not lose a life. (sorry for getting off topic, thoughts just kept flooding my head, and now it hurts.
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Post by: dss311 on November 05, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
FYI
Here is a final map of how counties voted across america.
Post by: pug_ster on November 05, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Nov 5 2004, 09:56 PM) |
| If you do a bit of research, you'll see that the previous adminastration leads the economic outcome of the next adminastration. I'm not saying that Clinton is completely at fault for our current deficit, but he didn't aid it at all. Notice how the economy is now growing, much like it was with Clinton going into his second term. Our economy isn't as bad off as many are made to believe. Many large companies stocks that were projected to be going under, are actually on the rise, take Delta for example. They've recently laid off a large group of workers, but thier stock never did take a large hit. |
I don't know what you are talking about. Clinton tries to run his government like MS. He tries to get rid of the debt and we actually have a surplus. Whereas Bush runs the government like Enron. They run their government on borrowed money and tells everybody that the economy is healthy until one day the government is bankrupt.
Post by: Baner on November 05, 2004, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: pepsik on November 05, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Nov 5 2004, 09:56 PM) |
| If you do a bit of research, you'll see that the previous adminastration leads the economic outcome of the next adminastration. I'm not saying that Clinton is completely at fault for our current deficit, but he didn't aid it at all. Notice how the economy is now growing, much like it was with Clinton going into his second term. Our economy isn't as bad off as many are made to believe. Many large companies stocks that were projected to be going under, are actually on the rise, take Delta for example. They've recently laid off a large group of workers, but thier stock never did take a large hit. |
I did do my research, 7 tillion dollars isn't a figure I made up and 400 billion surplus isn't a number I felt was a shocker, these are real numbers.
How is pointing out a company laying off employess a positive in our economy? Delta is primarilly based in California so my state will end up feeling more of the financial hardships that we already faced these past 4 years. Pennsylvania and Michigan are in the same boat and voted according to what I feel was economy not morality. The issues are still real, and just because you don't feel it's impact it doesn't mean others out there aren't struggling to make a living.
On the basis of impeachment the president made statements to both houses of congress and addressed the nation that weapons were in Iraq and to this day none have been found. Isn't that lying under oath? 1,128 deaths and counting.
if you or a family member or friend was affected by this downslope in the economy, I'm sure your post would be of a differnt view.
Post by: Baner on November 05, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Delta is primarilly based in California |
There hub is based in Hartwick Airport, Atlanta, 30 minutes down the street form where I'm sitting right now, my family's close friend is an electronics technician for Delta, he witnesses what Delta goes thru everday at work. I was basing my information on the stocks of Delta, showing that they are coming back to what they once were. Higher stock = higher profit.
| QUOTE |
| Isn't that lying under oath? |
I'm not sure if Bush was actually sworn to tell the truth, and the information he presented to congress, was thought to be true, at the time, by various other organizations.
| QUOTE |
| if you or a family member or friend was affected by this downslope in the economy, I'm sure your post would be of a differnt view. |
We are suffering from the economy, my dad owns a small business, and compared to the previous 5 years, his sales have taken more than a 60% decrease. We've cut back on many costs, my dad does odd-jobs when he can. He is now getting into the sub-contracting business. It's not my fault that others do not know how to manage thier money, and find a steady job market for the times.
Edit: Sorry, last post of the week, See ya'll Monday (Work days over.
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Post by: pepsik on November 05, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
Well I expressed my views and why I made my decision. I hope we can stay united as a country as a lot of bickering is all I see.
Post by: Ronnie on November 05, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr. Chips @ Nov 5 2004, 06:04 AM) |
| sorry, but that is a lame argument. Because, even if he could tell from that memo that Osama Bin Laden was DEFINATELY going to make these huge attacks, Bush would not have been able to stop him. I feel the real failure was on the part of these airport security personnel, on that terrible morning. Seems suspicous when a large group of mean-looking Saudis walk by, don't you think? It is purely ludicrous to say Bush could have prevented this attack. Even with the US's current anti-terrorism laws, it is not going to be airtight, I'm sure there may be more attempts to come. We can only hope they can be prevented. Actually, think about it long enough, and you will reach the same conclusion the President did. The best way to defeat terrorism is to spread freedom. We can change the world in which we live, and it is a noble role to assume in the world. Of course America will catch a lot of flack for it. I beleive the flack was in the EXTREME. Many people who disagree with Bush's policies (not based on the policies themselves, but based on what they think his intentions are), distrust those who wear their morality like a badge. And that is where I disagree with Bush. He is far to open with his beleifs, causing unbeleivers to question his credibility. After all, he is the president of the united states of america, not an evangelist. While I can see how christians like myself are called to spread the gospel, he is far too open with his religion. It makes everyone uncomfortable, so now most people believe that the armageddon is coming soon! Whether that is the case or not, I still tend to agree with Bush. He said, "I love to hear people tell me they are praying for me and my family". THAT is exactly where americans gets uncomfortable. It has the appearance of Bush saying he cannot make a mistake because he has the "back-up" from the Lord. Mr. Chips |
ok so youre with me when I say Clinton didnt fuck up with Bin laden?
Post by: brandogg on November 05, 2004, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 07, 2004, 02:05:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| fact: 1. saddam had weapons in the past 2. saddam used the weapons in the past (on his own people) 3. saddam tried repeatedly to attain nuclear weapon-making capabilities 4. saddam's regime was friendly to terrorist organizations, including al qaeda (see 911 report) 5. regime change in iraq has been the united states' policy for over 10 years, starting with the clinton administration |
1.He bought them from the US!!
2.Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam after using these weapons.
3.The US didnt stop Israel from starting a nuclear program.Im sure we got them on their way.North Korea and China made nukes over the past 10 years.Theyre not "friends of freedom".Id say they are more horrific that Iraq ever was,
4.Im not reading the 9/11 report because it has been censored by our government.Until ALL facts are revealed I cant believe anything that the government has said on the issue.
5.The US loved Saddam until he messed with Big Bushes oil buddy's in Kuwait.
The sanctions on Iraq stopped Saddam from rebuiling his weapons program.The sanctions also were responsible for daily air strikes on Iraq and the deaths of over 500,000 children.
You have to look at all sides of an issue before you can defend one of them.
please tell me Im wrong about anything Ive said.
Post by: Bulletproof on November 07, 2004, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 07, 2004, 09:05:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| 1.He bought them from the US!! 2.Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam after using these weapons. 3.The US didnt stop Israel from starting a nuclear program.Im sure we got them on their way.North Korea and China made nukes over the past 10 years.Theyre not "friends of freedom".Id say they are more horrific that Iraq ever was, 4.Im not reading the 9/11 report because it has been censored by our government.Until ALL facts are revealed I cant believe anything that the government has said on the issue. 5.The US loved Saddam until he messed with Big Bushes oil buddy's in Kuwait. |
*censored? where the proof there. Also Bush doesn't have oil buddies in Kuwait, nor did he ever, again quit watching hollywood movies and bringing them here as truths...
BTW, we gave Israel nukes, but they are not a known member of the nuclear club. Anywho, they are ON OUR SIDE, so what does it matter.
Post by: brandogg on November 07, 2004, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Arvarden on November 07, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: brandogg on November 07, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: Ronnie on November 07, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (alwaysonjohn @ Nov 7 2004, 12:08 PM) |
*censored? where the proof there. Also Bush doesn't have oil buddies in Kuwait, nor did he ever, again quit watching hollywood movies and bringing them here as truths... BTW, we gave Israel nukes, but they are not a known member of the nuclear club. Anywho, they are ON OUR SIDE, so what does it matter. |
Everyone but your stupid ass knows about the censored pages.
http://www.cbsnews.c...ain565782.shtml
No oil buddies in Kuwait?
What about Bandar Bush from Saudi Arabia,not a kuwaiti but hes an oil man.
The Bush family is responsible for the dictator ruling Kuwait right now.They are his friends.You cannot deny the truth unless you choose to ignore it.
Israel has a nuclear scientist named Mordechai Vanunu in prison for the rest of his life for taking pictures of the secret Israeli nuclear facility and giving them to a foreign newpaper.
"The State of Israel is in possession of a secret written assurance from President Bill Clinton that the United States will continue to protect Israels clandestine nuclear weapons program from international pressure so long as Israel maintains its policy of nuclear ambiguity and refrains from overt testing of its atomic arsenal.
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, citing undisclosed Israeli sources, broke that story in March . It said former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had wrung the pledge from Clinton after the Wye River peace conference in October, 1998, and that the new prime minister, Ehud Barak, is pressing Clinton to renew it.
The Clinton letter is a secret appendix to the Wye River memorandum signed by Clinton, Netanyahu, and Palestinian Chairman Yassir Arafat to re-start the off-and-on Middle East peace negotiations. Writer Aluf Benn described the document as a small strategic treasure in the office safe of Zvai Stauber, foreign policy adviser to Barak, who inherited it from his predecessor.
The letter is addressed to Netanyahu. Israeli sources say Barak wants an identical letter updated and addressed to him as part of his price for signing a peace agreement with Syria. The price also would include some $17-billion in additional U.S. military aid to Israel.
The Clinton letter also is seen as written formalization of long-standing but undeclared U.S. policy first negotiated with Israel by President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s and followed by every President since then. The policy exempts Israel from the U.S. official stance against the spread of nuclear weapons in return for Israeli ambiguity on the subject."
They are not on our side.They are the reason we are in a global war on terror.
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707
Post by: Ronnie on November 07, 2004, 06:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (dss311 @ Nov 5 2004, 04:08 PM) |
FYI Here is a final map of how counties voted across america. |
Larger Map
"Counties carried by Democrats are generally more densely populated. The county-by-county map, therefore, visually overstates the Republican share of the vote, because the Democratic votes are concentrated in fewer counties that cover a smaller land mass.
Princeton University professor Robert J. Vanderbei used "county-by-county election returns and latitude and longitude coordinates for county boundaries provided by the U.S. Census Bureau" to create a "JAVA graphic" map that better indicates the breakdown of voter preference in the 2004 election (view Vanderbei's map from the 2000 election here). Rather than just depict a county as red or blue, Vanderbei's map takes into account the percentage of the Democratic and Republican vote in each county, thereby using a shade of purple to represent closely contested counties."
I like this map better because it better shows how america is divided.
Post by: brandogg on November 07, 2004, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: dss311 on November 08, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
www.electoral-vote.com
They all confirm more Red than Blue. One thing that is interesting is the Gore/Bush map from 2000. Not alot has changed over 4 years when you look at the comparison from the link above.
DSS311
Post by: Corspegrinder99 on November 08, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Baner on November 08, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
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| No oil buddies in Kuwait? What about Bandar Bush from Saudi Arabia,not a kuwaiti but hes an oil man. The Bush family is responsible for the dictator ruling Kuwait right now.They are his friends.You cannot deny the truth unless you choose to ignore it. |
More Moore Bullshit... If you don't wanna trust our government, why do you think we'd believe some fat liberal like Moore?
I like the bold part, it's funny
The Bush family helped put Saddam into power, and didn't they aid Osama at one point? Supplying him with weapons to fight off some other country, or was that Clinton? People change, and our government is taking care of those people. Last time I checked, Bush and Saddam don't have play dates too often.
Post by: gcskate27 on November 08, 2004, 12:01:00 PM
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| People change |
ever acuse kerry of being a flip-flopper? just had to point that out...
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 08, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: Baner on November 08, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on November 08, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
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| ever acuse kerry of being a flip-flopper? just had to point that out... |