Post by: jeti on September 10, 2004, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: thomes08 on September 10, 2004, 11:43:00 AM
Basically i'm glad there are people like you who put your life on the line for people like me, but i don't think the possiblility of your death is worth in it this war. Not by a long shot
best of luck
thomes08
Post by: pegasys on September 10, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: bluedeath on September 10, 2004, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 10, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
There's no one in the world that I respect more than anyone in our armed forces.
Post by: dss311 on September 10, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 10, 2004, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: melon on September 10, 2004, 02:03:00 PM
Also my Iraqi sources say it is pretty lawless in Baghdad with cases of men stealing others' wives by gunpoint in the street a regular occurance. Whats it like from your point of view??
I hope you come back safe and Im sorry for the negative questions but your the perfect person to ask.
Post by: Baner on September 10, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
Not one of us has bashed the mission he is on. We have all wished him luck, he's doing something that many of us wouldn't for all the money in the world. Whether it's justified or not, he's protecting us, upholding the american image, and doing a job many of us wouldn't want any part of. All I can do is thank him. again, best of luck, guys like you make the world go 'round
Post by: nemt on September 10, 2004, 02:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 10 2004, 05:07 PM) |
| nemt... that the most ignorant thing you've said thus far... Not one of us has bashed the mission he is on. We have all wished him luck, he's doing something that many of us wouldn't for all the money in the world. Whether it's justified or not, he's protecting us, upholding the american image, and doing a job many of us wouldn't want any part of. All I can do is thank him. again, best of luck, guys like you make the world go 'round |
What are you talking about? The war has been bashed in almost thread in the politics forum here for months.
Post by: Arius on September 10, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
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| Because there has only been 1005 deaths shows how excellent you and your fellow troops are performing. D-day lost over 10,000 people in the first day. |
Dont take this the wrong way (I wouldnt usually get involved in any kind of political thread) ALL of the troops no matter fromw aht country are doing there job over there (regardless of if I feel its right or wrong) and I wish them all the best of luck and hope they all return back home soon.
but you cant compair invading Iraq to the D-Day landings.
Post by: nemt on September 10, 2004, 02:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Arius @ Sep 10 2004, 05:20 PM) |
| but you cant compair invading Iraq to the D-Day landings. |
Just because there have been much fewer casualties doesn't mean the bravery of our soldiers, or the importance of their mission, is any less than D-Day.
Post by: Baner on September 10, 2004, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: Arius on September 10, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 10 2004, 10:22 PM) |
| Just because there have been much fewer casualties doesn't mean the bravery of our soldiers, or the importance of their mission, is any less than D-Day. |
this is why I dont get involved in Political threads.
D-Day was when half the world where involved in a war.
Iraq was not.
D-Day was fighting the German Army who where invading other countrys.
Iraq is not.
I wouldnt for one minute take anything away from the troops over there
| QUOTE |
| ALL of the troops no matter fromw aht country are doing there job over there (regardless of if I feel its right or wrong) and I wish them all the best of luck and hope they all return back home soon. |
and I would never wish any harm to any of the troops over there, and wish them ALL the best.
but D-day was something of historic importance IMO Iraq war PT2 will be remembered as a UK and US cock-up that should never have happened the way it did.
again I want to say, I support ALL the troops over there as they are just doing there job.
Post by: dss311 on September 10, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| D-Day was when half the world where involved in a war. Iraq was not. |
32 Countries are particpating
| QUOTE |
| D-Day was fighting the German Army who where invading other countrys. Iraq is not. |
And Iraq didn't invade Kuwait?
War is War. Our troops lives are at risk everyday. Although this is not on the same scale as WWII, it is not less important. Their valiant services will make our lives safer and the midle east more stable.
It looks like conservatives and liberals all agree regading the troop's safety. We all wish them the best of luck and thank them for their services. They are in a prayers.
Post by: bluedeath on September 10, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 10 2004, 10:22 PM) |
| Just because there have been much fewer casualties doesn't mean the bravery of our soldiers, or the importance of their mission, is any less than D-Day. |
The usual question nemt. When are you going to enlist and put your money where your mouth is?
Post by: The unProfessional on September 10, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
Those of us in this forum know, basically, what we're fed by the loaded global media. You, however, are living the war in "real life". We should be asking YOU if our country is fighting a just war.
Post by: bluedeath on September 10, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 11 2004, 12:28 AM) |
| Jeti: I'll say, as everyone else has, that we appreciate your efforst with all of our hearts. I must ask you something before I can answer your question. Do YOU feel you are fighting a just war? You are the one in the mix. You have a first-hand idea of how the conflict is really going. Are the Iraqi's thankful... are they truly liberated. Based on the current situation in Iraq and the progress it's making, do you feel the Iraqis have been liberated? Do you feel that you've helped to eliminate a thread to the World? Those of us in this forum know, basically, what we're fed by the loaded global media. You, however, are living the war in "real life". We should be asking YOU if our country is fighting a just war. |
Thanks for putting things in perspective unprofessional.
Jeti: I respectfully submit my ooRAH to HOOAH.
IF I DIE IN A COMBAT ZONE
BOX ME UP AND SHIP ME HOME
PIN MY MEDALS ACROSS MY CHEST
AND TELL MY MAMA I'VE DONE MY BEST
.....
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 10, 2004, 08:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| And Iraq didn't invade Kuwait? |
We dont generally invade a country because they invaded someone else over 10 years ago, but whatever.
Post by: dss311 on September 10, 2004, 09:50:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| We dont generally invade a country because they invaded someone else over 10 years ago, but whatever. |
We generally don't take 10 years to finish our battles but Clinton was in office for 8 of those years. But whatever......
BTW,
Liberating and Invading are two words that are not Synonymous.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 10, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Liberating and Invading are two words that are not Synonymous. |
I totally agree.
Generally you don't occupy countries you're liberating.
Post by: dss311 on September 10, 2004, 10:51:00 PM
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| The gulf war was fought to keep Saddam from controlling over 40% of the worlds oil. |
Thats a new one on me. Amazing the things you can learn on this board. I always thought it was to liberate Kuwait and stop Sadams agressions against his neighbors. Hell but what do I know. Did we stop Hitler for the same reason?
| QUOTE |
| Generally you don't occupy countries you're liberating. |
Definition:
oc·cu·py ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ky-p)
tr.v. oc·cu·pied, oc·cu·py·ing, oc·cu·pies
1 To fill up (time or space): a lecture that occupied three hours.
2 To dwell or reside in.
3 To hold or fill (an office or position).
4 To seize possession of and maintain control over by or as if by conquest.
5 To engage or employ the attention or concentration of: occupied the children with coloring books.
lib·er·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lb-rt)
tr.v. lib·er·at·ed, lib·er·at·ing, lib·er·ates
1 To set free, as from oppression, confinement, or foreign control.
2 Chemistry. To release (a gas, for example) from combination.
3 Slang. To obtain by illegal or stealthy action: tried to sell appliances that were liberated during the riot.
Who is occupying? Right now Iraq goverment is running the show. They have asked us to help with security until the elections are over. Liberate Definition #1 seems to apply. Don't you agree? To set free, as from oppression, confinement, or foreign control.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 11, 2004, 02:11:00 AM
Post by: chilin_dude on September 11, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 10 2004, 06:41 PM) |
| i'm currently in what we the army call, "opperation iraqi freedom 2". as of wendsday 1005 us troops have been killed since the war started. and yes, it is still going on! i patrol the streets of baghdad everyday. i just want to know if you think i am fighting a just war? |
Yes I feel the war is very just
Post by: nemt on September 11, 2004, 07:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 11 2004, 01:34 AM) |
| The gulf war was fought to keep Saddam from controlling over 40% of the worlds oil. So Clinton decided that he valued life over oil, what a horrible guy. |
Clinton made removal of Saddam US policy in 1998, so nuts to that.
Also, Clinton had no problems launching missiles every which way in the Balkan without any justification other than some loose claims of "genocide." ...which was later determined to be the result of an insurrection against a legitimate, democratically elected leader, with the goal of establishing a hardline Islamic state in Europe. Clinton didn't value life over oil, Clinton just had idiots for advisors and a borderline retarded foreign policy.
Besides, if either Gulf War were about Oil, why Iraq? the US could've just invaded Mexico, Venezuela, or any other closer oil country, with a much smaller defensive force.
Post by: gcskate27 on September 11, 2004, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 11, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Sep 11 2004, 12:27 PM) |
| because itd be kinda hard to blame mexico for a terror campaign and have it be believable... |
All right, and in this crazy conspiracy of framing someone for WMDs just to get oil no one remebered to plant the anthrax in Baghdad?
No, sorry, not buying it.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 11, 2004, 10:44:00 AM
If one country had that much control over the entire oil supply in the world, you can see why there would be obvious problems.
Post by: melon on September 12, 2004, 04:51:00 AM
These political threads are becoming so boring. You have idiots like nemt who live in a distorted world where everything is great and the only problems in America is the poor poeple begging off the government.
The war is wrong, Iraq is unsafe. I dont need a US soldier to tell me otherwise. I know it is unsafe for a man to leave his house with his wife because she will be kidnapped and gang raped in the middle of the day. Women are staying indoors, there is no safety for locals.
If people do go out they have a great chance of being shot by trigger happy American troops.
I kind of hope more American troops die, lets turn this into another Vietnam.
I cant differentiate between an Iraqi life and an American. Actually I belive an Iraqi civillian life is worth ten times an American soldiers. The soldier signed up for this, the Iraqi civillian got fucked over by Saddam and now they are getting fucked over by the US army. When the mess is finally over the country will be fucked over financially because of the extorionate profits given to mostly American companies to rebuild the country.
I know im going to get slated for this but your opinions mean shit to me as I see the world for what it is, not some bullshit patriotic twist given by Bush and your media.
I cant be fucked with this anymore, we argue in circles and get nowhere.
So jeti if you have mistreated anybody while you have been out there, and being an American soldier means there is a good chance you have, or if you have watched idally while somebody else has you deserve what you get.
Your not a hero, your not protecting America, your not even keeping the world safe. Your actually making it a more dangerous place to live in so thanks for that. But you keep doing your job like a bitch, killing whoever Bush feels like invading tommorrow.
You keep telling yourself Im doing the right thing, as long as you know the entire world hates your country and its army for what it is doing right now in Iraq and Afghanastan.
Post by: nemt on September 12, 2004, 06:24:00 AM
Post by: Arius on September 12, 2004, 06:29:00 AM
Post by: pug_ster on September 12, 2004, 07:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 12 2004, 02:27 PM) |
| The reason the arguments here go in circles and get nowhere is because idiots (ie: you) refuse to admit the war was justified, because people like you are misinformed and generally less intelligent to begin with. |
I think you missed the point of this thread. This is a poll of your opinion if you think if the war is justified. I don't think people are idiots because they form their own opinions.
Post by: nemt on September 12, 2004, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: pug_ster on September 12, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 10 2004, 07:41 PM) |
| i'm currently in what we the army call, "opperation iraqi freedom 2". as of wendsday 1005 us troops have been killed since the war started. and yes, it is still going on! i patrol the streets of baghdad everyday. i just want to know if you think i am fighting a just war? |
Nemt, the OP asks for your opinion, bonehead.
Just because the President (and you) say that we are fighting a just war doesn't mean that everybody has to agree into it.
Oh, and Nemt, if you feel that strongly about fighting the war in Iraq, you should go to the Armed forces Recruitment center and to go fight in Iraq. Unless you are some dumbass idiot under 18.
Post by: jeti on September 12, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: melon on September 12, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
nemt insulted my intelligence. Maybe I was hasty in my presumption that you are a stereo-typical US soldier, but the stereotype exists for a reason. You cant tell me I'm wrong in what I said about the conditions of Iraq at the moment. You cant blame me for having such views on the US army as all we see on the news is more innocents dying daily.
Post by: dss311 on September 12, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
You are a total moron. Suck my dick too after you finish Jeti.
Post by: thomes08 on September 12, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i really don't know if this a just war or not. |
that scares the shit out of me. Keep same and fuckinh come home. If you're not sure the gunfire is for something just then how can you do it?
| QUOTE |
| MelonHEAD |
wow... good one. Shit. That was so good.
Post by: thomes08 on September 12, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on September 12, 2004, 01:38:00 PM
Nemt already said he's joining the Marines after he finishes school. You guys are insulting him because he hasn't ditched out on his education to fight in the war. People are doing it over and over again. I know you hate nemt... but you're only discrediting yourselves.
And Jeti... those of us in here have much less of an idea of how just the war is than you do.
Post by: thomes08 on September 12, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
Pretend you went in a coma for 60 years and woke up. Then you were readin about some of the stuff you missed and there was this "freedom war" with 32 countries involved. Would that not be misleading?
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 12, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It's not a matter of opinion. Something is either justified or it isn't. |
Nemt, it's like you were born with your head as far up your own ass as possible, I plead that you never post again.
Post by: pegasys on September 12, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 12, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
What is this...opposite day?
Don't sod off.
Post by: pegasys on September 12, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
EDIT: If it is opposite day then you would do the opposite of opposite day which is normal day. Do you follow?
Post by: pug_ster on September 12, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 12 2004, 09:41 PM) |
| So if you feel the war is just then you have to fight in it? That's like saying if you're a vegetarian, you have to join PETA. Nemt already said he's joining the Marines after he finishes school. You guys are insulting him because he hasn't ditched out on his education to fight in the war. People are doing it over and over again. I know you hate nemt... but you're only discrediting yourselves. And Jeti... those of us in here have much less of an idea of how just the war is than you do. |
Yes that is what I am implying. I am saying that if someone is an Vegetarian, he/she doesn't have to tell everyone eating 'meat from a dead carcass' is wrong. If someone feels so strong about telling others not to eat meat, maybe he/she should join Peta.
Nemt doesn't have to be an a**hole by throwing an insult just because someone else don't share his views.
Post by: nemt on September 12, 2004, 06:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 12 2004, 07:13 PM) |
| Nemt doesn't have to be an a**hole by throwing an insult just because someone else don't share his views. |
No one with intelligence, and intact reasoning skills could come to an incorrect conclusion, meaning anyone against the war, other than Saddam and Chirac, must lack one or both of the above...hence...you're an idiot.
Post by: gcskate27 on September 12, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It's not a matter of opinion. Something is either justified or it isn't. |
| QUOTE |
| No one with intelligence, and intact reasoning skills could come to an incorrect conclusion, meaning anyone against the war, other than Saddam and Chirac, must lack one or both of the above...hence...you're an idiot. |
'opinions': the new 'fact'...
-by nemt
Post by: pug_ster on September 12, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 13 2004, 02:24 AM) |
| No one with intelligence, and intact reasoning skills could come to an incorrect conclusion, meaning anyone against the war, other than Saddam and Chirac, must lack one or both of the above...hence...you're an idiot. |
What can I say? Insults is Nemt's middle name.
Post by: pug_ster on September 13, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
1) US defeats all the Insurgents in Iraq, nobody know when this will happen though
2) US withdraws troops from Iraq, then the Insurgents will eventually take over Iraq.
3) A treaty has been signed between US and Iraqi insurgents. I highly doubt this will happen.
I would like to know how things actually got worse in Iraq since the defeat of Saddam's army last year.
Post by: jeti on September 13, 2004, 02:43:00 AM
Post by: pegasys on September 13, 2004, 04:51:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 13, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
..pull out of the insurgent hotbeds, leave the terrorists there, and send over the Enola Gay.
Post by: nemt on September 13, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: melon on September 13, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
| QUOTE |
..pull out of the insurgent hotbeds, leave the terrorists there, and send over the Enola Gay. |
Theres been enough clouds over N Korea | QUOTE |
Nemt already said he's joining the Marines after he finishes school. You guys are insulting him because he hasn't ditched out on his education to fight in the war. People are doing it over and over again. I know you hate nemt... but you're only discrediting yourselves. |
Dont know what its like over there but its better for your carer the better the education, makes sense to finish school, thats not why we insult him. There will be plenty more wars anyway
Pegysus I see your point, but most of the worlds problem is with an American soldiers life being worth more than 30 local childrens.
Post by: pegasys on September 13, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 13, 2004, 01:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| If people do go out they have a great chance of being shot by trigger happy American troops. I kind of hope more American troops die, lets turn this into another Vietnam. I cant differentiate between an Iraqi life and an American. Actually I belive an Iraqi civillian life is worth ten times an American soldiers. The soldier signed up for this, the Iraqi civillian got fucked over by Saddam and now they are getting fucked over by the US army. When the mess is finally over the country will be fucked over financially because of the extorionate profits given to mostly American companies to rebuild the country. I know im going to get slated for this but your opinions mean shit to me as I see the world for what it is, not some bullshit patriotic twist given by Bush and your media. I cant be fucked with this anymore, we argue in circles and get nowhere. So jeti if you have mistreated anybody while you have been out there, and being an American soldier means there is a good chance you have, or if you have watched idally while somebody else has you deserve what you get. Your not a hero, your not protecting America, your not even keeping the world safe. Your actually making it a more dangerous place to live in so thanks for that. But you keep doing your job like a bitch, killing whoever Bush feels like invading tommorrow. You keep telling yourself Im doing the right thing, as long as you know the entire world hates your country and its army for what it is doing right now in Iraq and Afghanastan. |
(sorry for the long quote)
All right, first off, Melon... you're a jackass. I find it amazing how, by just one post, you know everything about jeti, to the point of wanting him killed in war. Melon, your the prime example of how gullible people can be, you see the media feeding you bullshit about x amount of innocents killed, but you don't see the cities that are being rebuilt. Families that can actually feed their children, put roofs over their wives heads, and talk about their government with fewer worries of being tortured.
Hoping that more Americans die is weak... What does that accomplish? Americans dieing won't change that fact that Iraq is becoming a better nation. Sure the majority of their police system may be corrupt, but the ones who aren't are contributing more to their nation than many have before. 300 troops every 2 weeks, that's an amazing amount, considering before this, they had no standing army. This war might not seem just now, but years from now, whether it's 10 years or 50 years down the road, we can look to Iraq and see it as a developed country, rather than a 3rd world nation.
Most of the soldiers didn't sign up for this war, many of them were already in it, or part of the reserves.
The country was already in the worst shape it could be in financially, all money generated by the government went straight into Saddam and his closest "buddies."
I find it amazing that, due to the fact that you see a handful of American soldiers mistreating Iraqi captives, that all 130,000 (as jeti said) are pieces of shit. Melon, if I recall correctly your from England right? Does that mean your teeth are tainted yellow and bent out of shape, and your women are ugly as hell? Pull your head out of your ass and "see the world for what it is."
The whole world hates America? That's hard to believe. If that's true, then why do we have 31 countries supporting us in this war, and why have we not been invaded. Why would anyone care if America were attacked if we're hated by so many? Melon, I hope you progress through life and realize that your view of the world is a bit tainted.
| QUOTE |
| EDIT: If it is opposite day then you would do the opposite of opposite day which is normal day. Do you follow? |
By saying it's not opposite day, it covers both, being opposite day and not being opposite day.
I myself planned on joining the army once I got out of high school, at the beginning of my junior year, I got a job at a local power company, who has offered to pay my way through college completely. My friends and family all want me not to go into the army. It's hard to sign up when you know everyone you know and love don't want you to leave. It doesn't give me any reassurance that I'm being thanked for what I'm doing. I still have another semester left in school, we'll see how thing unfold until then. But with saying that, if there ever is a draft, I will proudly fight, and if it comes to the worst, die for my country, not matter the reason.
Jeti, it's all in the eye of the beholder, asking the average Joe what he thinks is only going to confuse and anger you more. We are feed crap everyday, it's up to us to believe that that is all that's going on, or figure out the facts behind the media bullshit.
Post by: pegasys on September 13, 2004, 01:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 13 2004, 03:44 PM) |
| But with saying that, if there ever is a draft, I will proudly fight, and if it comes to the worst, die for my country, not matter the reason. |
I would not fight blindly, I don't know why anyone would. I will fight and die for my country if it is a worthy cause. Iraq isn't. WWII, is a worthy cause, viet nam and Iraq are not Afganastan is.
Post by: Baner on September 13, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on September 13, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
Another problem is how these insurgents get these rpg's and ak47's? They obviously get them from Al-Qaeda in Iran or Syria where US troops has no control near those borders. In fact, there are a lot of 'hot zones' where US or Iraqis government has virtually no control of. And secretary of State Rumsfeld says that 130,000 troops is enough to 'contain' Iraq. I'm sorry, they are sending US troops where they can't win.
Another issue is what Jeti says is that there are people who are happy that US leaves so they will help the insurgents. If Iraq doesn't do anything about these insurgent-sympatizers, this is a no win situation.
Post by: nemt on September 13, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on September 13, 2004, 11:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| All the terrorist are flocking to iraq to fight against freedom |
how the fuck did you come to this conclusion? and why do you think terrorists are fighting against 'freedom'? whos the one regurgitating bullshit here?
| QUOTE |
| i thank you for making the world safer (which you ARE) and protecting this country (once again which you ARE doing) |
yeah 9-11 was terrible and all but how can anyone possibly think a 'war on terror' (as though thats even fucking possible) would end it? any rational person can see that itll just breed more... and before anyone else says "well what would you do?" save it, i dont have the answers but i sure as fuck wouldnt have done 'operation iraqi freedom'...
| QUOTE |
| The whole world doesnt hate the U.S. its only our enemies |
you are very deluded... have you ever met anyone who isnt american? they can tell you that the majority of their country doesnt exactly agree with the "america is the greatest country on earth" attitude that most americans take... and they certainly dont appreciate the arrogance of americans saying the only reason for the dislike is jealousy...
get out, see the world... but if you do it with your current attitude, you wont be welcomed long... theres a reason many of the smarter americans pretend to be canadian when outside the us...
Post by: gcskate27 on September 14, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on September 14, 2004, 02:42:00 AM
Post by: jeti on September 14, 2004, 03:35:00 AM
just two days ago i saw one of the largest religous walks in my life. one of the interpreters told me that they hadn't been able to do that walk in years. bufore sadam would kill anyone who atempted it. not only would he kill that one person, he would kill his entire family. babies and all! as for sadam i'm glad we came over here and kicked his ass. now i just want the iraqis to get motivated to have a new country. one based on individual rights, freedom, and happiness. i have faith in them. whatever that might count.
as for me yeah, i'm in the national guard. just so happends i joined a enhanced infantry bregade. so i'm on my 3rd deployment in the last 6 years. you can look us up on the web. arkansas democrate gazette. 39th bct.
jeti
Post by: pegasys on September 14, 2004, 04:45:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 14, 2004, 07:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (Surah 2:190-) |
| Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. |
| QUOTE (Surah 5:51) |
| Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. |
| QUOTE (Surah 8:36-) |
| Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. |
| QUOTE (Surah 9:73) |
| Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home. |
| QUOTE (Surah 9:121-) |
| Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. |
| QUOTE (Surah 9:27-) |
| Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. |
last but not least:
| QUOTE (Surah 4:103-) |
| Seek out your enemies relentlessly. |
You don't need to be crazy to read this book your entire life thinking it's the word of god, and then go out and kill a "nonbeliever." Islam is the problem, not terrorists themselves. You say 99% of muslims are peaceful? I say only 1% of them must've read the Koran.
Post by: gcskate27 on September 14, 2004, 10:28:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| "9.27": Then will Allah after this turn (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. |
| QUOTE |
| "9.121": Nor do they spend anything that may be spent, small or great, nor do they traverse a valley, but it is written down to their credit, that Allah may reward them with the best of what they have done. |
and last but not least:
| QUOTE |
| "4.103": Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers. |
there are so many different translations of the book that you can easily find versions that are more extreme to use as your examples...
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
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| you are very deluded... have you ever met anyone who isnt american? they can tell you that the majority of their country doesnt exactly agree with the "america is the greatest country on earth" attitude that most americans take... and they certainly dont appreciate the arrogance of americans saying the only reason for the dislike is jealousy... get out, see the world... but if you do it with your current attitude, you wont be welcomed long... theres a reason many of the smarter americans pretend to be canadian when outside the us... |
Me, my brother and my father were all born in Wales (on the English Isle for those of you who don't know geography) and my mother was born in Lebanon (in the middle east). I have a first hand account of America liberating a country I lived in. Lebanon was in the midst of a battle (caught in the crossfire, not fighting) between the Palastinians and the Isrealis. At this time, Lebanon had no government, no police force, and no standing army. We were in Juiene(sp?) a port city 30 minutes outside of Beuruit(the capital), and the coast was being bombed everyday (my grandmother's house was shot many times, I remember 3 bullets that whizzed by me and my mom while we were huddled in a corner.) Anyway, to make a long story short, America came and settled the peace, and helped construct a working government, and aided in the creation of a military and police force. Today, I've yet to find anyone in Lebanon who dislikes America (went back 4 years ago, I was welcomed in to the homes of strangers, just because I said I was American).
I'm not sure about you guys, but that doesn't seem like a nation who hates America. If you sit and think of the good the troops are doing, and think like a human being for 2 seconds, you'll relieze what that 3rd world nation might become 10 years down the road. I don't know anyone who would hate a nation because it's trying to bring peace and security to it's people. You guys see the followers of Saddam regieme, and the other who profited from Saddam being in power. You don't see the story of the everyday people, trying to make an honest living in a poor country.
Post by: melon on September 14, 2004, 11:46:00 AM
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| All right, first off, Melon... you're a jackass. I find it amazing how, by just one post, you know everything about jeti, to the point of wanting him killed in war. Melon, your the prime example of how gullible people can be, you see the media feeding you bullshit about x amount of innocents killed, but you don't see the cities that are being rebuilt. Families that can actually feed their children, put roofs over their wives heads, and talk about their government with fewer worries of being tortured. |
Ask Jeti, the country isnt safe. One of my closest friends is from Baghdad and her dad is Muslim and her Mum is Christian, since the war all of her mothers side of the family have had to flee because of violence being aimed towards them. This is only happened since the war. Then as I have previously said if a woman goes outside she is gang raped, doesnt matter if she is escorted or not. Even men are scared to go out at night because of gangs in trucks with rifles. Will you please explain how this is better than under Saddam?
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| Iraq is becoming a better nation. |
See above
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| whether it's 10 years or 50 years down the road, we can look to Iraq and see it as a developed country, rather than a 3rd world nation. |
American and British stupidly strict embargos on Iraq meant that they could not even have basic medical provissions. We contributed to the death of over a million children. Iraq has masses of oil but the country wont see the profits, the oil will be taken by america as payment for the war, literally. Iraq still owes billions due to the Bill the US sent after the first war, that what the food for oil program was about.
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I find it amazing that, due to the fact that you see a handful of American soldiers mistreating Iraqi captives, |
I thought it was clear I meant the needless civillian toll that must be heading towards 20,000 by now.
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| The whole world hates America? That's hard to believe. If that's true, then why do we have 31 countries supporting us in this war |
Sometimes you can be quite intelligent but your blind loyalty to your country stops you seing the way things are. I have never said I hate Americans because I dont, I just hate a certain political secrtion. But do you honestly belive the world likes you?
Its obvious the middle east hates you, Russians hate you, the French hate you, the Gemans hate you, the UK hates you, Italy, Poland, Belgium, Spain etc.....
I cant really see how any of South America can not hate you. the US has fucked over that continent incredibly, everyone now excepts the CIA's role in the overthrowing of countless democracies to install US friendly dictators.
Then there is Africa well seing how they are in utter poverty while US countries set up sweat shops, trust me they hate you.
China doesnt give a shit (see how many abstentions on the UN security council)
There are people who realise this in America and you always find they are nicer, and a lot less obnoxious people.
Its obvious the middle east hates you, Russians hate you, the French hate you, the Gemans hate you, the UK hates you, Italy, Poland, Belgium, Spain etc.....
I cant really see how any of South America can not hate you. the US has fucked over that continent incredibly, everyone now excepts the CIA's role in the overthrowing of countless democracies to install US friendly dictators.
Then there is Africa well seing how they are in utter poverty while US countries set up sweat shops, trust me they hate you.
China doesnt give a shit (see how many abstentions on the UN security council)
There are people who realise this in America and you always find they are nicer, and a lot less obnoxious people.
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| Its amazing how stupid people are, I guess sadam didnt nerve gas the kurdish people living in northern iraq? He didnt start a war with iran |
I think he got the gas from the US and UK, I have given documented evidence of this in the past. Actually the war with Iran goes way, way back but again the US and the UK supported Saddam. In case you didnt know Iran is infinetly more dangerous place than Iraq even pre war.
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| and the stupid shit that went on at the prison in iraq was hardly tourture. it was juvenile and mildly inappropriate, nothing more. |
Jeti please tell this person how wrong they are for the sake of the army.
I am sorry for comparing you to the stereotype, from your posts you sound like you care, get out safe
Post by: dss311 on September 14, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
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| Iraq was invaded by america for no reason, |
Hey Dip,
First, We didn't invade Iraq. We halted their aggression against Kuwait in 1991. At this time, Sadam had sanctions and UN mandates placed apon him and his country. After 18 broken UN resolutions it was apparent Sadam had to be dealt with. The US then decided to remove Sadam from power and LIBERATE the Iraqi people. So don't give us this bullshit how the United States invaded Iraq for no reason. You logic and argument are baseless in this respect.
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
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| Ask Jeti, the country isnt safe. One of my closest friends is from Baghdad and her dad is Muslim and her Mum is Christian, since the war all of her mothers side of the family have had to flee because of violence being aimed towards them. This is only happened since the war. Then as I have previously said if a woman goes outside she is gang raped, doesnt matter if she is escorted or not. Even men are scared to go out at night because of gangs in trucks with rifles. Will you please explain how this is better than under Saddam? |
You don't think this was happening when Saddam was in power?
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| Americans dieing won't change that fact that Iraq is becoming a better nation. See above |
How the hell does what you typed above explain that Americans dieing will change what's going on over there. You... your fuckin self.. even stated that Saddam gased his own people, but for some reason that's ok, but America trying to make the streets a safer place is the worst thing that they could have ever done. Even f America were to take all the money from Iraq, much like Saddam did. Wouldn't that money be going to making Iraq a safer enviroment anyway?
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| whether it's 10 years or 50 years down the road, we can look to Iraq and see it as a developed country, rather than a 3rd world nation. American and British stupidly strict embargos on Iraq meant that they could not even have basic medical provissions. We contributed to the death of over a million children. Iraq has masses of oil but the country wont see the profits, the oil will be taken by america as payment for the war, literally. Iraq still owes billions due to the Bill the US sent after the first war, that what the food for oil program was about. |
What does that have to do with Iraq beocming a developed country? Developed meaning they have the ability to produce products within thier own borders, allowing them to rely less on oil.
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| Its obvious the middle east hates you |
Isreal is part of the Middle East right? How about Lebanon, Qutar... there's more nations there that either like America, or don't care.
I said it before, if so many nation despise America for what it does, why don't they band together to conquer us? No one likes us, no one would mind right? Why doesn't Russia, the Uk, Poland, and the rest of the world create a coalition against the USA? For some reason I don't think you taken, or seen a census from all (or any for that matter) of those nations you listed saying they dislike America.
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| I thought it was clear I meant the needless civillian toll that must be heading towards 20,000 by now. |
Care to find the numbers of innocents killed by Saddam during his Reign, or even a source for those numbers?
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| Then there is Africa well seing how they are in utter poverty while US countries set up sweat shops, trust me they hate you. |
Right, cause supplying jobs to people with no education is a horrible thing to do... oh and don't forget that the American government had complete control over where to put Nike's Manufacturing plants that are outside the United States.
Post by: pegasys on September 14, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
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| How the hell does what you typed above explain that Americans dieing will change what's going on over there. You... your fuckin self.. even stated that Saddam gased his own people, but for some reason that's ok, but America trying to make the streets a safer place is the worst thing that they could have ever done. Even f America were to take all the money from Iraq, much like Saddam did. Wouldn't that money be going to making Iraq a safer enviroment anyway? |
The reason is that the streets are not a safer place and unless we round up and kill everyone they never will be.
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| What does that have to do with Iraq beocming a developed country? Developed meaning they have the ability to produce products within thier own borders, allowing them to rely less on oil. |
They are in the middle of thew fucking desert they have no other natural resorces other that oil, plus we are going to own everything, therefore all of the money will just come back to us.
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| Isreal is part of the Middle East right? How about Lebanon, Qutar... there's more nations there that either like America, or don't care. I said it before, if so many nation despise America for what it does, why don't they band together to conquer us? No one likes us, no one would mind right? Why doesn't Russia, the Uk, Poland, and the rest of the world create a coalition against the USA? For some reason I don't think you taken, or seen a census from all (or any for that matter) of those nations you listed saying they dislike America. |
Nuclear winther WMD's being sent back and forth, the end of the world as we know it, Anarchy take your pick.
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| Care to find the numbers of innocents killed by Saddam during his Reign, or even a source for those numbers? |
So it's ok then cause someone else already killed more. our killing is just as pointless, based on good Ideas but it just won't work.
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| Care to find the numbers of innocents killed by Saddam during his Reign, or even a source for those numbers? |
How would u on ur tenth birthday like to lose a hand woerking in a sweat shop, and bleed to death on the floor? the govt. could say, humm lets's make a policy that all American owned companies don't allow chld labor. They don't cause the people who vote for them are makeing money off of the child labor.
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
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| The reason is that the streets are not a safer place and unless we round up and kill everyone they never will be. |
Wow... So to make the streets of LA safer, we would have to kill everyone? Refer to point A.
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| They are in the middle of thew fucking desert they have no other natural resorces other that oil, plus we are going to own everything, therefore all of the money will just come back to us. |
I'm sure it's cheaper to ship in raw materials and produce products with your own countries' labor, then it is to ship in the finished product. "Everything"? That's hard to believe, I don't see why America would want to own that floral shop on the corner of 32nd and 10th. If anything, I can see a couple of American oil plants.
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| So it's ok then cause someone else already killed more. our killing is just as pointless, based on good Ideas but it just won't work. |
The killing we're doing is pointless... since it lead up to the removal of Saddam, but Saddam's killing had all the reason in the world? Refer to point A.
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| How would u on ur tenth birthday like to lose a hand woerking in a sweat shop, and bleed to death on the floor? |
I'd be glad that I made it to my tenth birthday, and didn't have my mother starve to death before my birth.
A) Do you guys think before you post? (Reference point since it's used more than once in this post...)
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
I feel betrayed.
Forget the hate, be a deist.
Like George and Thomas.
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
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| promised us WMD's |
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
He promised the halting of a genocide, that might be what you're thinking of.
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
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| Christianity killed Rome. Fuck you guys. |
Statements like this should make people like you lose speaking priviligies...
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 14, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
You sir, are a moron.
What does chrisitanity killing Rome have anything to do with our next president?
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
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| Christianity killed Rome. |
I said that in a completely different thread, and it was in good use there.
Don't be a dipshit.
Post by: BenJeremy on September 14, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Slaves, togas, constant wars of conquest....
Maybe Maximumbeing likes the idea of being buggered by his emporer?
Dunno... People complaining about candidates discussing events of 30 years past, dredging up events of 2000 years past. Seems like a hipocritical standard to me.
Post by: melon on September 14, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on September 14, 2004, 05:10:00 PM
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| the direct quotes that i placed a link to in this thread were in referance to nonmuslems, the quotes you placed were the rewards to faithful muslems. |
check out the passages (ie, the numbers before the quote)... they should be the same translation, yet they are different... have you read a non-translated koran? how do you know what it says? you dont, you trust someone elses translation which varies widely from others translations... you could concievabley translate it with any tone you want to... THATS WHAT I WAS POINTING OUT...
where did you get this degree and what kind is it?
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| The few that are still devout to <insert random traditional religion> have nothing to do with the ones that are starting to stray and ask questions. |
i fixed your quote to make it more accurate...
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 14, 2004, 06:30:00 PM
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| Why exactly was the non-Christian Roman Empire such a great thing, anyway? |
Wrong thread assholes.
Regardless, the non-Christian Roman Empire was a succesful Roman empire, though Christianity was not the only reason that the empire fell, it was the catalyst for the event.
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| Dunno... People complaining about candidates discussing events of 30 years past, dredging up events of 2000 years past. Seems like a hipocritical standard to me. |
I don't think I've ever complained about candidates discussing the past.
Post by: Baner on September 15, 2004, 12:13:00 PM
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| You have Americans telling you Americans are hated the world over but you just discount this.... That is trully Idiot America logic |
Letme get this right... In the first part of you discussion, you tell me to listen to my fellow American right? But in the next half, you say that American logic is truly idiodic.
My logic is flawed? Yet, you're the one that said you want more Americans to die in Iraq so the wars would be over? How is more death going to make a president pull out, that would just show weakness.
Speaking of weakness, Batman climbed on Buckingham Palace (home of the Queen when she's in town) and made it to her balcony with no resistance. With thier kind (weak) hearts, they gave the man a cup of tea while he was on the building, got him a hydrolic lift and a hard hat to bring him down, and allowed him to have interviews with the press before being sent off to jail. You would think, with all the cameras and sensors they have around the palace, they would be a bit more secure. Point of the story, if that was the white house, that guy would have been shot dead in his tracks before he would have made it over the fence.
Post by: melon on September 15, 2004, 12:35:00 PM
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| In the first part of you discussion, you tell me to listen to my fellow American right? But in the next half, you say that American logic is truly idiodic. |
re-read the posts
They could have shot Batman, Robin was following him up the ladder (truth) and they told him to stop or they would shoot. They could have shot Batman at any point. They just knew he wasnt a threat and was performing a peacefull if disruptive protest.
I dont see that as a weakness at all. America is too heavy handed.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 15, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: melon on September 15, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
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| You mean "Shakespeare"? wink.gif |
i had to laugh, too much irony. In my defence i didnt study english and ive been smoking the green, got a new job today edit:
just seen this quote in another thread from rocky 2197
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| The government has the right to bear arms in the form of a military to protect the boarders and our way of life. |
if you cant see whats wrong with that then............
Post by: pegasys on September 15, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: Baner on September 15, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on September 16, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
You don't hear a lot of news about reconstruction anymore because according to this article, civil war is possible.
The sad thing is that Republician Chuck Hagel start voicing their concern over the war.
Him and Richard Lugar (another Republican) said there was a lack of planning over the reconstruction of Iraq.
I guess Kerry will have a field day over Bush for this:)
Post by: Baner on September 16, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
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| "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man." -- Mark Twain |
Human nature sucks...
Post by: melon on September 16, 2004, 02:27:00 PM
Apolagies to maximum being, thats two major fuck ups in two sentance's.
I got an engineering degree so I know everything about everything, you poo heads dont know shit. Im off to read a book on Izac Nueton and ooms law
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 16, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 16, 2004, 02:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (melon @ Sep 16 2004, 05:30 PM) |
| Apolagies to maximum being, thats two major fuck ups in two sentance's. I got an engineering degree so I know everything about everything, you poo heads dont know shit. Im off to read a book on Izac Nueton and ooms law |
I'd imagine an engineer would have greater command of the keyboard.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 16, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: melon on September 17, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
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| I'd imagine an engineer would have greater command of the keyboard. |
I was taking the piss!
Post by: bluedeath on September 17, 2004, 11:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (melon @ Sep 17 2004, 06:26 PM) |
| I was taking the piss! |
while you were posting? My hat is off to you. I have tried but I just keep making a mess.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 17, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
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I was taking the piss! |
Melon's very very English
Post by: pug_ster on September 17, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
Then again, hillbilly Bush's English is in a league of its own.
Post by: jeti on September 19, 2004, 03:21:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 19, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on September 19, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
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well it has been a good week we have found more ied's than have went off on us. my pic was actully in the paper too. |
Is any of that in English? Are you all morons? Is that a rhetorical question?
Post by: melon on September 19, 2004, 04:20:00 PM
edit: to change insinuation
Post by: nemt on September 19, 2004, 07:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (melon @ Sep 19 2004, 07:23 PM) |
| Americans really need to learn what irony is. |
Most of us use dry cleaning services.
Post by: gcskate27 on September 19, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
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Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
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Post by: gcskate27 on September 20, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on September 20, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (dss311 @ Sep 10 2004, 03:58 PM) |
| Because there has only been 1005 deaths shows how excellent you and your fellow troops are performing. D-day lost over 10,000 people in the first day. War is not a pretty picture but I absoulutely believe you are doing the right thing over there. The middle east is hot bead for terrorist and dictators. By you guys cleaning up Iraq and freeing the people over there eventually that side of the world will become civilized. I commend you and everyone else over there for putting your lives on the line for the rest of us. Godspeed your safe an quick return. |
your joking me right
your comparing d-day to the iraq war????
well, lets compare the two quickly
Iraq- overwhelming US troops with advanced weapons fighting maybe 7-10 people during each "battle" who only have limited weaponary and skills
D-day- Overwhelming German forces with elevated, sheltered positions that contained countless MG42's, along with an obstacle covered beach (some of which were mined) and countless artillery rounds going off, while all the US had was a limited number of foot soldiers with an M1 Grande and a helmet and they had to cross open beach to cross to make it to even remote saftey, not to mention they didnt have the luxory of tanks at that moment, or even some type of heavy weaponary
i mean, wow
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on September 20, 2004, 11:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (dss311 @ Sep 10 2004, 05:06 PM) |
| 32 Countries are particpating And Iraq didn't invade Kuwait? War is War. Our troops lives are at risk everyday. Although this is not on the same scale as WWII, it is not less important. Their valiant services will make our lives safer and the midle east more stable. It looks like conservatives and liberals all agree regading the troop's safety. We all wish them the best of luck and thank them for their services. They are in a prayers. |
again, wow
Post by: dss311 on September 20, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
67thRaptorBull,
Probably just as difficult for you to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the result.
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
By now, there is a better chance for Bush to get elected than Kerry. If he gets elected, I figure that people young kids 18-26 are going to get drafted to the war in Iraq. Unless you disagree with me, the war in Iraq won't be won unless you have at least 2 times more troops in the ground than what we have now. The bonehead Rumsfeld said that 'we do not need more troops in Iraq' a few months back. Hell, those Americans are certainly dumb if they believe him.
Our enemy now is the Iraqi people themselves. Bush said we are winning the war on Terrorists and the war on insurgents. The terrorists (the Iraqis) believe they are fighting civil war against the Americans is a right thing to do. Most of them believe that US are the occupiers and they these believe in fighting the war so much that they are willing to die for it.
Even if we managed to put down the insurgents in Iraq, there is no way to bring US troops back from Iraq. Countries like Libya and Iran certainly will be pretty peeved at us and we will probably fight a war with them next.
US say that Saddam Hussein is a leader of a murder regieme. Yet, it seemed that more innocent Iraqis had died while US was 'liberating' here. Who is the cause of this quagmire?
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 20, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
Get over it.
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 20 2004, 05:15 PM) |
| Iraq invaded Kuwait over 10 years ago. Get over it. |
The world shouldn't have to suffer for the UN's impotence.
Post by: Baner on September 20, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on September 20, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (dss311 @ Sep 20 2004, 02:43 PM) |
| 67thRaptorBull, Probably just as difficult for you to put 2 + 2 together and figure out the result. |
yup, you're right, 2+2 doesnt equal 4
im just amazed that you seriously think iraq and d-day our of the same importance
ill say it now, and ill stand by it, so will my dad and my grandfather, as they bothed served in the marines
anyone who joins in the armed services during a time like this, a time when they know theres nothing to defend in a country like iraq, doesnt deserve shit
they deserve to stay over there and see what war is like, then come home and have a nervous breakdown
they signed up for the bullshit idea, so im not giving them any sympathy, none
ill put it in context just like nemt would with the assualt weapons ban
if you chose to play russian roulette and you shoot yourself, to fucking bad
D-day was of actual importance for the world, we needed to liberate France, but we didnt need to, nor did we have the right to, touch iraq, and i certianly wouldnt call this "freedom" for them
at least under sadaam they had security, food, shelter, saftey, power, water, etc
so again, trying to compare the two is idiotic, retarded and just plain amazing (as in, how much it shows what the typical american thinks of war and violence)
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| preparing to topple the Baathists in Syria (a regime just as brutal, if not moreso, than prewar Iraq). |
wait, i thought this was a war on terrorism, not on our self defined needs to be humane???
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 20 2004, 10:40 PM) |
| Tell me again why we need more troops? I don't see anything on how we're being outmanned in any battle. If we send more men over, it'll just give people (like you) more of a reason to bitch about Bush sending more troops. I'm no war analyse, to say the least, but sending more troops over will just cause more turmol(sp?) here, and confusion there. |
I am not telling Bush to send more troops. A couple of Republicans are:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3070798/
Everybody here, including you and me would like less troops to be sent, but the rising tensions in Iraq will force Bush to send more troops. Chances are that, he will send more troops (if he wins the election).
If US were to start remove troops now, a civil war will take place, and al-qaeda backed government will probably take over. If this happens, it will be much worse than when Saddam was in power.
Post by: bluedeath on September 20, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
"Do you have your draft card son....." "F*** no...." the handcuffs come out and they are dragged off.
Reminds me of some cadence
Momma told Johnny not to go downtown
Marine Corps recruiter was hangin' around......
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2004, 04:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Sep 21 2004, 12:31 AM) |
| Just a few short months until the election and no matter who wins we can start the draft. I can't wait. This should be fun to watch. I will bring a big bag of popcorn down to one of the many skate parks and watch the paddy wagons roll up. I am sure it will work like it did back in the 60's .............................. "Do you have your draft card son....." "F*** no...." the handcuffs come out and they are dragged off. Reminds me of some cadence Momma told Johnny not to go downtown Marine Corps recruiter was hangin' around...... |
Save a seat and get some popcorn for me too.
I'm glad that I won't be drafted unless US decided to raise the draft age.
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on September 20, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 20 2004, 07:26 PM) |
| The draft is a product of the democrat party |
well, what isnt the "product" of the democratic party in your eyes nemt?
Post by: bluedeath on September 20, 2004, 06:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 21 2004, 01:26 AM) |
| The draft is a product of the democrat party. The new draft bill was proposed by a democrat congressman from Harlem. It would never pass, and it would never be necessary. |
There's the Nemt we all know and love.
I shall now refer to you as Alex Keaton.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 20, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
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| The draft is a product of the democrat party. The new draft bill was proposed by a democrat congressman from Harlem. It would never pass, and it would never be necessary. |
It was proposed in order to lower support for the iraqi war, behind the theory that if people thought their children would be taken away to die in the desert for nothing, they'd change their narrow nationalist minds.
Post by: pug_ster on September 20, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 21 2004, 01:26 AM) |
| The draft is a product of the democrat party. The new draft bill was proposed by a democrat congressman from Harlem. It would never pass, and it would never be necessary. |
http://msnbc.msn.com.../site/newsweek/
Oh, you mean this one? Realisticly, Republicans says that we need more troops to stabilize Iraq yet says we don't need a draft. Right now, our troops are stretched too thin. It is like saying we are going to war but we will give our troops spitwads as weapons.
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 07:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 20 2004, 09:13 PM) |
| It was proposed in order to lower support for the iraqi war, behind the theory that if people thought their children would be taken away to die in the desert for nothing, they'd change their narrow nationalist minds. |
No, actually, it was brought about because of the racial inequality in the volunteer military, suggesting minorities enlist disproportionally due to poverty. This is what the sponor and co sponsors all say.
..but hey, you can believe whatever you want.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 20, 2004, 08:12:00 PM
Since Democrats are so avidly against the war, they decide that they want more people to go there and fight and die, especially since they should all be different colors, cause thats true diversity.
Now let's look at it from a logical stand point, democrats oppose the war, the draft is likely to lower support for the war, care to connect the dots, Nemt?
Try to not hurt yourself while putting this puzzle together.
Post by: nemt on September 20, 2004, 08:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 20 2004, 11:15 PM) |
| You're right, Nemt. Since Democrats are so avidly against the war, they decide that they want more people to go there and fight and die, especially since they should all be different colors, cause thats true diversity. Now let's look at it from a logical stand point, democrats oppose the war, the draft is likely to lower support for the war, care to connect the dots, Nemt? Try to not hurt yourself while putting this puzzle together. |
What you're saying would make sense, if the sponsors of the bill hadn't been saying otherwise for almost a decade (since Clinton established selective service). All the "logic" in the world can't overpower the facts. The sponsor of the bill is a black firebrand, who has always been outspoken for his belief in an unfair military in regards to "his people." it has nothing to do with forcing people to be less supportive of the war, as no key democrats support the measure in the house or the senate...and the political backlash for supporting a draft would be devastating. Pull your head out of your ass and get the facts straight.
Post by: fishlord on September 20, 2004, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on September 20, 2004, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: jeti on September 21, 2004, 05:47:00 AM
Post by: nemt on September 21, 2004, 06:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (HeLiuM @ Sep 21 2004, 12:18 AM) |
| link They have a point. People are much less opposed to the country going to war when it doesn't inconvenience them in the slightest degree... If it wasn't for the constant terror alerts and politically oriented media coverage, the average american probably wouldn't remember we were at war. Iraqi's and the families of soldiers don't have that privelage. It's depressing how willing people are to inflict war on others so long as it won't be inflicted on them. |
As much as I respect the sources at COMMONDREAMS.ORG, I think I'll stick with Congressional Quarterly...you know...facts? The facts all point to Rangel's loony draft bill being racially motivated.
Anyway, your own link proves my point.
| QUOTE |
| "If we're going to have these escapades, we should not do it on the backs of poor people and minorities," Stark said. The Defense Department vigorously denies the contention that minorities or the poor are over-represented in the military, or that they suffered a higher proportion of casualties in U.S. wars since Vietnam. |
I don't think the article even mentions something about the bill being about scaring people into being against the war...that's just ridiculous, and even democrats aren't that stupid.
Post by: pug_ster on September 21, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
Of course Bush have never been in the heart of Iraq to see how bad this war is going. The only people who gets to see the reality of the war is people like Jeti. I am sure some of you are thinking of joining the armed forces so that you can be heroic to do your commander-in-chief's bidding. If you seen the carnage and the senseless violence of what Jeti seeing maybe you will think twice.
I have known many people who have fought in Vietnam and the first Iraqi war and they came back disgusted of what kind of war they are fighting. No, I am not against the troops who are doing their job but the commander-in-chief's reason why he used invading Iraq as the 'last resort.'
As for Saddam, he is an criminal and he has personally ordered to killed many of his own Iraqis. I mean Iraqis are dying right now because the the Iraqis are in the crossfire between the insurgents and the US troops, right?
Post by: jeti on September 21, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| invading Iraq |
whatever you want to call it, but yeah we're here none the less.
| QUOTE |
| I mean Iraqis are dying right now because the the Iraqis are in the crossfire between the insurgents and the US troops, right? |
yeah, of couse some do. we can't call the insergents up and ask them to meet us in a neutral place in the middle of the dessert. war doesn't work like that. you would know first hand if you were here instead of taking the word of others----->
| QUOTE |
| I have known many people who have fought in Vietnam and the first Iraqi war and they came back disgusted of what kind of war they are fighting. |
also please don't speculate on what i am seeing---->
| QUOTE |
| If you seen the carnage and the senseless violence of what Jeti seeing maybe you will think twice. |
if you what to know what i am seeing just ask specific questions. i have no problem telling you the truth, whether its good or bad.
oh yeah, thanks for the support!
Post by: pug_ster on September 21, 2004, 10:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 21 2004, 06:06 PM) |
| yeah, of couse some do. we can't call the insergents up and ask them to meet us in a neutral place in the middle of the dessert. war doesn't work like that. you would know first hand if you were here instead of taking the word of others-----> oh yeah, thanks for the support! |
Sorry, about speculating. But the people whom that I talked to don't even want to talk about the war so it seems to me that the experience wasn't good.
I know some people who are in the reserves who has been inactive for a long time and suddenly being called up to war. Just wondering if the news was true that we are running out of reserves being called out to war. Thanks.
Post by: nemt on September 21, 2004, 10:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 21 2004, 01:27 PM) |
| Sorry, about speculating. But the people whom that I talked to don't even want to talk about the war so it seems to me that the experience wasn't good. |
Wait wait wait slow down.
War isn't fun?
Post by: gcskate27 on September 21, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
*feel free to correct me pug-ster if i infered the wrong message from your post...
Post by: nemt on September 21, 2004, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Baner on September 21, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Republicans says that we need more troops to stabilize Iraq yet says we don't need a draft |
Sentences like this make me grin with enjoyment.
"Democrats say they hate Kerry"...
People have different opinions, just because I say something, and I'm a repub, doesn't mean you should say "Repubs say..." You might wanna make sure you word your sentences so they project a correct representation of what your saying. ie: Joe Bob, a repub, wants to send more troops in.
| QUOTE |
| As for Saddam, he is an criminal and he has personally ordered to killed many of his own Iraqis. I mean Iraqis are dying right now because the the Iraqis are in the crossfire between the insurgents and the US troops, right? |
Is it not possible for you to see what can happen, rather than what is happening? Can't you see that once this war does boil over, and a new government is in place, that they won't have a genocidal dictator or a war killing people, but I forgot... people are dieing now and thats all that matters, right?
| QUOTE |
| Is it true that you open fire first and ask questions later? |
Umm, if your getting shot by people, I'm not sure if you can ask them who they are, and who they work for... Not sure if that's what you were asking.
Post by: pug_ster on September 21, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Wait wait wait slow down. War isn't fun? |
One of my co-workers was fighting in the Pappy Bush's gulf war, 2 of his friends was killed. He didn't want to talk about it beyond that point.
Nemt, there is a difference between games like Halo and real war. In Halo, you can frag someone, he regenerates and you laugh about it.
In real life, people gets injured or killed in war. Even if you don't get injured or killed, solder sees that stuff will probably leave deep psylogical scars that will last a long time.
Like I said before, if you think it is so fun, you should join Bush's cause, and I will guarantee war is not fun.
Post by: nemt on September 21, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
wow
Post by: pug_ster on September 21, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Baner @ Sep 21 2004, 08:03 PM) |
| Sentences like this make me grin with enjoyment. "Democrats say they hate Kerry"... People have different opinions, just because I say something, and I'm a repub, doesn't mean you should say "Repubs say..." You might wanna make sure you word your sentences so they project a correct representation of what your saying. ie: Joe Bob, a repub, wants to send more troops in. |
Okay, I guess I am too general. I should've said some Republican Politicans said we don't need a draft.
http://msnbc.msn.com.../site/newsweek/
Post by: Baner on September 21, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: jeti on September 21, 2004, 12:28:00 PM
as far as violance increasing. i would say no. i patrol the streets day and night. the atacks we incounter usually come in streaks. i have been here for 6 months and maybe two weeks of that i would say was hot. almost every day a fight or a roadside bomb.
is it true we open fire first and ask questions later? no, not true at all. it clearly states in our rules of engagement. you must have positive identification to use deadly force. or feel that your life or a buddies life is in danger.
as for an attack on iran. i don't follow politics that close. i know that iran and seria are suppling weapons to the insurgents. (my opinon by the way)
i can only hope for the best in this country. i definatly want iraq to make it. if not, americans might never leave. the faster the progression of iraq the quicker my comrades and i can come home.
sorry for the spelling. i'm just a country boy from arkansas.
jeti
Post by: nemt on September 21, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (Arvarden) |
| Does the UN ring any bells |
You mean the guys who extracted oil concessions and kickbacks in exchange for turning a blind eye to saddam and letting him terrorize the middle east? Well I guess that's technically an argument against the war...but not a very good one.
Post by: jeti on September 21, 2004, 12:53:00 PM
have you checked out the pics on my sig?for the guy who said some people don't like to talk about the war: have you seen the pics of the hummer hit by the ied(road side bomb). would you like to talk about stuff like that?
Post by: gcskate27 on September 24, 2004, 02:11:00 PM
idiot...
by the way: i just want to let everyone know... that that was a joke...
Post by: Baner on September 24, 2004, 02:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| instead of having a stick up my ass like yourself. |
Is that not a flame? Might not be you saying idiot, but an insult none the less.
Hmm, let me rephrase what I said for the sake of ending this argument.
"Don't take what others say to heart, overcome what they say " yada yada yada, more flowery bullshit, this is pointless...
But I'll take you up on that promise of you pointing out me flaming anyone
Post by: Baner on September 24, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on September 24, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
In Gore-Bush Election the muslim vote was evenly split. This year, guess 90% of the muslims going vote for this year?
Any President could start a war, but it takes a leader to make peace. And I don't think that this president is a leader.
Post by: BenJeremy on September 24, 2004, 06:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 24 2004, 06:50 PM) |
| guess 90% of the muslims going vote for this year? |
Well, I know 93% of them support the hostage beheadings.
I don't think I'd want their support (and they aren't all that big of a block of voters here in the US, anyway) - Kerry can have the murderous savages.
Post by: PSU on September 24, 2004, 07:57:00 PM
there was no reason for the war in iraq. i live in canada and was very happy when we announced we were not going to join the US in iraq. i get so angry at people who think bush is saving america from terrorist. Bush could have stopped 9/11. i suggust everyone see fahrenheit 9/11. bush got many memos with the titles "terrorist attack in america is imminent" and what did he do, what else GOLF!! i would rater vote for anyone than bush. do the smart thing and vote for karry and maybe america can dig itself out of the hole they are in.
Post by: DOS4GW on September 24, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (PSU @ Sep 25 2004, 04:00 AM) |
| okay here is the simple answer: BUSH = DUMBASS there was no reason for the war in iraq. i live in canada and was very happy when we announced we were not going to join the US in iraq. i get so angry at people who think bush is saving america from terrorist. Bush could have stopped 9/11. i suggust everyone see fahrenheit 9/11. bush got many memos with the titles "terrorist attack in america is imminent" and what did he do, what else GOLF!! i would rater vote for anyone than bush. do the smart thing and vote for karry and maybe america can dig itself out of the hole they are in. |
Heh, so over 50% of US voters are supporting a "dumbass"...
Do you know how idiotic that sounds?
Post by: nemt on September 24, 2004, 08:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (cainedna @ Sep 24 2004, 06:13 PM) |
| Gcskate was right, my point was in counter argument to Nemt's comment that the Muslims should have kept that in mind before choosing their faith. |
So you were trying to counter something clearly meant as a joke? Stunning, you must've excelled at DeVry Technical Institute.
Anyway, answer the question:
| QUOTE (nemt @ ages ago) |
| So you're saying they're very devoted to Islam, through conditioning, sometimes involuntary? |
I await your response.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 24, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: pegasys on September 24, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
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Post by: nemt on September 24, 2004, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on September 24, 2004, 08:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Sep 25 2004, 02:22 AM) |
| Well, I know 93% of them support the hostage beheadings. I don't think I'd want their support (and they aren't all that big of a block of voters here in the US, anyway) - Kerry can have the murderous savages. |
You know, Iraqi citizens can't vote for the president of the United States.
Post by: nemt on September 24, 2004, 08:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (pug_ster @ Sep 24 2004, 11:33 PM) |
| Iraqi citizens can't vote for the president of the United States. |
BJ was apparently referring to arabs in general, not Iraqi citizens. There are arabs in the US, and many of them do sympathize with militant extremists, and many of them will be voting in the US Presidential election.
Post by: pug_ster on September 24, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 25 2004, 04:35 AM) |
| BJ was apparently referring to arabs in general, not Iraqi citizens. There are arabs in the US, and many of them do sympathize with militant extremists, and many of them will be voting in the US Presidential election. |
I said that 90%+ of the Muslims-Americans won't vote for Bush.
Post by: nemt on September 24, 2004, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: DOS4GW on September 24, 2004, 09:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 25 2004, 04:32 AM) |
| The vast majority of psychologists agree a person should never be told his or her IQ. |
Got the source for that allegation? Or is it just another of your sourceless claims wich you red in something you wrote yourself?
Post by: DOS4GW on September 24, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Sep 25 2004, 04:30 AM) |
| 140, and proud of it! Guess who I support . |
Something tells me that a person with 140 IQ wouldn't brag about it, also have better things to do. Better things like solving the Middle East crisis, rather than writing crap here.
Edit: Image added
Post by: nemt on September 24, 2004, 09:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (DOS4GW @ Sep 25 2004, 12:15 AM) |
| Got the source for that allegation? Or is it just another of your sourceless claims wich you red in something you wrote yourself? |
http://www.amazon.co...=books&n=507846
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: PSU on September 25, 2004, 07:51:00 AM
THE US is like a big bully. they take out anything they dont like. saddam didnt even have anything to do with 9/11, he didnt even have any weapons. bush HAS LET BIN LADEN GET AWAY, because they are friends. he needed someone to blame and since bin laden was a close friend he choose to invade iraq to make AMERICANS ( the dumb ones with iq lower than 97 ) believe he was fighting terrorists.
+ America was the one who let 13 of bin ladens closest family members out of the US within 24 hr of 9/11 (when there was a ban on all flights in us air ways).
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 08:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (PSU @ Sep 25 2004, 10:54 AM) |
| if you dont see how DUMB BUSH IS then your dumber than him. he cant even say simple words like abu garave prison, have you seen him try to say it lol. |
This quote speaks for itself.
Post by: DOS4GW on September 25, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Sep 25 2004, 03:39 PM) |
| First of all I am what my teachers constantly refer to as an "underachiever". I'm only 18, it's not my job to solve problems is the Middle east, plus it seems like that’s more of a below 90 iq persons game. I realize that it is not worth it and 'liberating' countries in the middle east won't work. We (the us) is trying to change these peoples culture and way of life. It just won't work. The sooner we figure that out the better off we will be. The only way I see the conflicts and all of the 'evil dooers' will be sopped and taken from the middle east is if we just start dropping nukes and turn the entire region into rubble(the stupidest most illogical idea ever.) The only reason we should attack a country is if they are a direct threat to us or one of our close allies, which iraq def. wasn't. I am planning on being a doctor, so make sure that you can afford the extreme amounts of insurance that Bush has given us, or else you might just have to wait in the waiting room until you bleed out nemt. |
If you are 18 and have 140 IQ you'd already have at least one doctor grade. Stop making a fool of yourself.
Btw, when people talks about the Middle East crisis, they reefer to Israel - Palestine...
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 25, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I'm still in highschool, why would I have "one doctor grade", I take all AP classes and have a 97 GPA. you can believe whatever you want, but I guess if you support bush ur in that <90 range. However I do know some fellow classmates who are smart, yet they support Bush because they are in the upper class who the tax breaks actually go to (The kids who's daddy bought them a BMW as their first car instead of makeing them work for it.). |
Modesty is a virtue.
Also, being able to take an AP doesn't mean half as much as the score you get on the tests.
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Sep 25 2004, 03:12 PM) |
| I'm still in highschool, why would I have "one doctor grade", I take all AP classes and have a 97 GPA. you can believe whatever you want, but I guess if you support bush ur in that <90 range. However I do know some fellow classmates who are smart, yet they support Bush because they are in the upper class who the tax breaks actually go to (The kids who's daddy bought them a BMW as their first car instead of makeing them work for it.). |
For someone with a 140 IQ, you sure suck at spelling. Additionally, GPA is on a four point scale, not a percentage scale.
I think whoever said you had a high IQ was kidding around.
Post by: gcskate27 on September 25, 2004, 01:58:00 PM
id bet your iq rests comfortably around 102... ever so slightly above average but enough so that you feel superior because of it...
colleges and universities gpa is based on the 4 point scale, but in my high school it was based on percentage, and seeing as he's in high school, id bet its somewhat similar...
Post by: Trisman on September 25, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (DOS4GW @ Sep 25 2004, 06:05 PM) |
| If you are 18 and have 140 IQ you'd already have at least one doctor grade. Stop making a fool of yourself. Btw, when people talks about the Middle East crisis, they reefer to Israel - Palestine... |
What are you talking about, a doctorate/Ph.D.? I have a 156 IQ, and I'm a high school drop-out. Right now though I'm working with a friend of mine's father, who is a professor at Georgia Tech. I'm doing some grunt programming work in his lab with him, translating his pseudo-code into jave kinda stuff.
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 02:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (gcskate27 @ Sep 25 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| your typical tactic of picking on spelling... as anyone whos taken an iq test knows, iq is based off of problem solving, pattern recognition and a few other categories... surprisingly enough, none of them are spelling... id bet your iq rests comfortably around 102... ever so slightly above average but enough so that you feel superior because of it... colleges and universities gpa is based on the 4 point scale, but in my high school it was based on percentage, and seeing as he's in high school, id bet its somewhat similar... |
Actually my IQ is quite high, I made the mistake of inquiring about it when I was younger. IQ isn't as good of an intelligence indicator as it was once believed to be, anyway.
..and while IQ tests aren't based on spelling, someone with an unusually gifted mind should know how to spell basic words, especially when he's going on a streak of calling random people dumb.
Post by: thomes08 on September 25, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Sep 25 2004, 07:11 PM) |
| yup, so people who can't spell or talk proper english shouldn't have anything to do with leadership? Or is spelling a lot different thant speaking? Because IMO you can know what you're talking about without being able to spell it, am i wrong? thomes08 |
Find out anything I've ever said to directly imply that, and I'll never post here again.
Bush is one of the worst heads of state in global history when it comes to oration, but it has little effect on his leadership skills. Likewise for Clinton, who was one of the greatest orators.
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 05:30:00 PM
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Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Sep 25 2004, 09:51 PM) |
| Sure what ever you say nemt, you just keep telling yourself that, along with all of the 'facts' that you spew all the time. |
I guess the only real facts are broad generalizations like:
| QUOTE |
| rich people who voted for him are smart because the get huge tax brakes and benefits with Bush in power. The "little guy" who likes Bush in office is who I am calling idiots. |
Post by: thomes08 on September 25, 2004, 06:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 26 2004, 12:21 AM) |
| Find out anything I've ever said to directly imply that, and I'll never post here again. Bush is one of the worst heads of state in global history when it comes to oration, but it has little effect on his leadership skills. Likewise for Clinton, who was one of the greatest orators. |
are you saying you've never said something along the lines of
"if you can't even write a sentence without having so many spelling errors you should have no political opinion"
?
thomes08
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Sep 25 2004, 10:00 PM) |
| are you saying you've never said something along the lines of "if you can't even write a sentence without having so many spelling errors you should have no political opinion" ? thomes08 |
Of course I have, and it's true. There's a difference between mispronouncing a word here and there, and misspelling half the words in a sentence and ignoring basic grammar.
Post by: thomes08 on September 25, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 26 2004, 12:21 AM) |
| Find out anything I've ever said to directly imply that, and I'll never post here again. Bush is one of the worst heads of state in global history when it comes to oration, but it has little effect on his leadership skills. Likewise for Clinton, who was one of the greatest orators. |
HERE
a couple excerpts:
"If you're not educated enough to understand basic grammar concepts, how can you be educated enough to understand politics? "
"it's usually some fifteen year old who gets his political news from weekend update. It has nothing to do with different skills, either, it just shows an overall lack of education, and intelligence, as do liberal opinions. "
i'm waiting for your smart ass comment to try and not eat your words...
thomes08
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 07:13:00 PM
After what thomes08 just said it looks like someone is never going to post here again. Or will you flip-flop and stay?
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 07:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Anyone who's not rich who votes for Bush is an idiot |
| QUOTE |
| What part of that is a generalization? |
Wait...what's your IQ again?
Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on September 25, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Sep 26 2004, 03:12 AM) |
| HERE a couple excerpts: "If you're not educated enough to understand basic grammar concepts, how can you be educated enough to understand politics? " "it's usually some fifteen year old who gets his political news from weekend update. It has nothing to do with different skills, either, it just shows an overall lack of education, and intelligence, as do liberal opinions. " i'm waiting for your smart ass comment to try and not eat your words... thomes08 |
bye
Post by: nemt on September 25, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Sep 25 2004, 11:10 PM) |
| bye |
You're very skilled at quoting yourself, but not very skilled at deduction. If it makes you feel better, I'll stop replying anyway.
Post by: thomes08 on September 25, 2004, 08:11:00 PM
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Post by: pegasys on September 25, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: DOS4GW on September 25, 2004, 09:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Trisman @ Sep 25 2004, 10:39 PM) |
| What are you talking about, a doctorate/Ph.D.? I have a 156 IQ, and I'm a high school drop-out. Right now though I'm working with a friend of mine's father, who is a professor at Georgia Tech. I'm doing some grunt programming work in his lab with him, translating his pseudo-code into jave kinda stuff. |
OMFG!
I guess one can score 140 or 156 on a IQ test if one have the facit...
156 IQ is almost like Albert Einstein.. Dude, go blow yourself, if you know how to do it that is..
Post by: DOS4GW on September 25, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Sep 26 2004, 03:17 AM) |
| Wait...what's your IQ again? |
Best comment ever on X-S.
Post by: DOS4GW on September 25, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Sep 26 2004, 03:20 AM) |
| You Bush supporters are sure good at taking things out of context. Did you have fun playing mix and match with my words? Quote: To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source. You paraphrased and changed the meaning. It's 140, you really don't have a good memory do you? |
Where did you get that 140 from anyway? You do not have 140 IQ what so ever!
Post by: Trisman on September 25, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (DOS4GW @ Sep 26 2004 @ 05:22 AM) | ||
OMFG! I guess one can score 140 or 156 on a IQ test if one have the facit... 156 IQ is almost like Albert Einstein.. Dude, go blow yourself, if you know how to do it that is.. |
This is the most response I'll give to that, considering I'm currently over the age of twelve.
Post by: jeti on September 26, 2004, 04:59:00 AM
on a more serious matter, another one of our interpreters was killed three mornings ago. yeah, the basterds shot him point blank with ak-47's. this morning while on the internet, a damn mortar landed outside my building. i thought it hit the building, with the glass flying in from all the windows. and they say the war is over. I DON'T THINK SO!
jeti
Post by: pegasys on September 26, 2004, 05:32:00 AM
Edit: and I was the bottom of the barrel, there were kids waling around with 150+ iq's and these mad retarded kids who couldn't read but could figure out all of the calculations in the "Zero" book by Hawking. IN THEIR HEADS!!
Post by: gronne on September 26, 2004, 06:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 26 2004, 01:02 PM) |
| you guys have been talking about iq test so much, i took one on www.iqtest.com just for fun. i scored 137 on the free one. i have no idea of how accurate it is. |
Don't want to offend you but those iq-tests are shit. I've tried several of them and haven't been under 150 once. It's like if you believe in the them you have an IQ under 100
Have you noticed after each test you do they try to sell you a diploma? And besides, there are several different IQ-systems. I don't remember the names on them, but if I would do an official Mensa-test in Sweden and one in USA, I would score a lot higher on the american test. It's really stupid they have different systems, but that's the way it goes.
Post by: jeti on September 26, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
thanks for insulting my intelligence!
Post by: gronne on September 26, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: DOS4GW on September 26, 2004, 10:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Sep 26 2004, 05:40 PM) |
| Sorry. Do a real test from Mensa. Doubt that's possible if you're in Iraq though. |
Argee. Seems that we got a oddly high concentration of super intelligente people here, odd regarding only 2.1 - 0.14 % population got this high IQs wich these guys claim to have.
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 26, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
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| 156 IQ is almost like Albert Einstein.. Dude, go blow yourself, if you know how to do it that is.. |
Are you insinuating that he doesn't know how to blow himself?
BURN.
I've lost all faith in the people of this country.
Post by: DOS4GW on September 26, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (Maximumbeing @ Sep 26 2004, 11:20 PM) |
| Are you insinuating that he doesn't know how to blow himself? BURN. I've lost all faith in the people of this country. |
Touche!
Post by: gronne on September 26, 2004, 06:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (DOS4GW @ Sep 26 2004, 06:19 PM) |
| Argee. Seems that we got a oddly high concentration of super intelligente people here, odd regarding only 2.1 - 0.14 % population got this high IQs wich these guys claim to have. |
Since this is a technology forum it should be reasonable to consider people here are more intelligent than the average, but still not. Most people on this forum are about 15-20 years old, whereas all are interested in computers. The only very intelligent people here are probably the few that have some serious programming skills. I mean you obviously can be very intelligent without any knowledge of programming, but this still is a technology forum.
When I first came to this forum, I thought most people would speak in pure computer terms. Luckily you didn't. But we should consider that this is an extremely big community about a toy, generally speaking
Post by: thomes08 on September 26, 2004, 07:02:00 PM
but WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE FREAKING OUT ABOUT IQ's???? It's not worth it for me to read the last few pages and find out. I don't know who started it, left or right, and i don't care. It's really stupid and has nothign to do with politics, news, or religion.
Post by: jeti on September 26, 2004, 08:05:00 PM
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| I don't know who started it |
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| It's really stupid |
then don't add to the conversation. tums08.
do you guys think i would get hit more or less buy the enemy if i flew a small iraqi flag from the antenna? just a thought? jeti
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 26, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
I'm an instigator.
Post by: thomes08 on September 26, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 27 2004, 04:08 AM) |
| then don't add to the conversation. tums08. do you guys think i would get hit more or less buy the enemy if i flew a small iraqi flag from the antenna? just a thought? jeti |
ditto
Post by: gronne on September 27, 2004, 08:34:00 AM
So in the end your intelligence won't matter if you lack moral. This profile fits several right-wingers e.g Hitler, and some in this forum.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 27, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: melon on September 27, 2004, 01:43:00 PM
even if it is wishfull thinking
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| I'm not calling everyone who voted for Bush idiots, rich people who voted for him are smart because the get huge tax brakes and benefits with Bush in power. The "little guy" who likes Bush in office is who I am calling idiots. |
Pretty astute comment. The same thing happens over here. The trashy "news"paper The Scum (or the sun as its known), is bought by a lot of the working class, white van driver, builders and such. Yet it is owned by Rupert Murdoch and is totally right wing. If you read it there is a complete twist on the news that could make a tax break for the rich funded by the poor a good idea.
I dont understand why they buy it??
They usually vote conservative as well.
From an American perspective how can anyone who is poor vote Bush when he said (something like)
"Some people call you the elite, I call you my base"
I know thats not an exact quote but you get the idea.
Jeti try a Palastinian flag its nuetral but safe and you might even be able to surprise a few Al'Quieda thinking its some Hamas fighters
Post by: pug_ster on September 28, 2004, 12:02:00 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6095119/
Look at the 'free video' in the right. According to the article, it sounds like a typical IP are:
1) They can't find other jobs. So they have no choice but to join the Police and $200 a month is a very good job.
2) Many of these IP's are intimated by militants and some of them support these militants or look the other way when these militants fight against the US.
3) There are no background checks, and there is minimal training goes to these guys.
4) The US don't provide enough body armor and guns for these guys.
5) 40,000 out of the 100,000 of the IP's will be fired because they are not doing their duties as IP's. So the US is going to use 60 million to buy them out. Gee, that's $15K per IP. I can go for that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3403667/
Then again, I do feel sorry for them because a lot of IP's died fighting these militants. It is really the Bush's fault to throw money away to create an ineffective police force anyways.
Post by: DOS4GW on September 28, 2004, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: jeti on September 28, 2004, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: DOS4GW on September 28, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 28 2004, 06:12 PM) |
| one of the oldest cultures will be hard to change. don't hold your breath! |
I am refeering to "Iraq Was No Threat(video)"
Post by: drunkmunk on September 28, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
Fuck these assholes who want to sit on there high horses and are not willing to do anything to make a difference in the world around them. People want to act like American soldiers are barbaric and bring up the fact that innocents are getting killed, but america has the most surgical methods of fighting of any nation, but war is war and unfortunately the enemy likes to hide out in schools and innocent peoples homes.
As for people discussing the different countries that hate us, ie france, germany and a most of the rest of the european continent. they sure were glad when we invaded for wwII when we did "occupy" and "liberate" the german people from a lunatic dictator. Kinda funny how all the products in iraq were german and french due to they had the most trade with them during the "food for oil" program. these two hypocritical countries had more to gain by keeping them under sanctions.
oh yeah jeti where you at over there?
Post by: DOS4GW on September 29, 2004, 08:50:00 AM
Remember, Italy, Spain (not anymore), Poland, Denmark, UK, Norway supports the US.
Post by: jeti on September 29, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
as for europe, yeah they were glad when we came in and saved them from hitler. he would have waxed their asses in another six months!
Post by: DOS4GW on September 29, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (jeti @ Sep 29 2004, 08:42 PM) |
| drunkmunk: hey, i'm in baghdad. been here for 6 months. i get to go home next month along with 400 other national guard that has maxed the two year on active service law. we just got back from the mfo mission in egypt when we were called up for this mission. kinda sucked. as for europe, yeah they were glad when we came in and saved them from hitler. he would have waxed their asses in another six months! |
I'm very glad for the US of A helping out in WW II, basicly I'm very found of the US.
You and your allies are doing a great job down there, it's a shame the media focus is only on the problems wich is what we see. Giving a false impression Iraq is just one huge mess, where infact the problems are isolated to parts of the sunni triangle.
We never see the images from Iraq that shows that most life is back to normal.
We never see the pictures of Iraqies protesting against Sadr..
People tend to forget what sick man Saddam was, and still is...
Post by: DOS4GW on September 29, 2004, 04:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Sep 29 2004, 08:50 PM) |
| Wait, wasn't that Canada that saved the day? Yeah I think so. We may be pathetic now, but we were quite the powerhouse back then. |
Heh, no it was the US and the Red army of Soviet Union.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 29, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 29, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
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| Heh, no it was the US and the Red army of Soviet Union. |
20 soviets died for every one dead german.
Russia didn't do anything.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 29, 2004, 07:14:00 PM
Who do you think held off a massive offensive on Moscow? You got it... the Soviets. They had mal-trained troops and a shitty air-force. They had brigades of female pilots flying night-time attack missions in BI-PLANES... while soviet troops held off German armored and troop divisions. Pretty damn impressive with a poor army and a country in shambles, if you ask me.
And since when is the # of dead soldiers inversely proportional to their efforts?
Post by: Maximumbeing on September 29, 2004, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on September 29, 2004, 08:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 29 2004, 06:39 PM) |
| I'm not sure how many people in here read al jazeera. But lately, they've had much less USA-bashing to do. It's a well-known fact that Al Jazeera is focusing on the negative aspects of the Iraqi occupation, and I haven't seen a whole lot from the lately. Perhaps they're running low on negative information to focus on. |
werent they shutdown by the new Iraqi government a few weeks/months back?
maybe there more regulated now........
Post by: MACscr on September 29, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (melon @ Sep 10 2004, 10:06 PM) |
| I feel strongly against the war and while I wish no harm to you, I do not like the number of civillian casualties caused by over zealous serviceman. I am not accusing you of this in any way I just thought you might be able to give a reason from the point of view of someone who is on the frontline. Also my Iraqi sources say it is pretty lawless in Baghdad with cases of men stealing others' wives by gunpoint in the street a regular occurance. Whats it like from your point of view?? I hope you come back safe and Im sorry for the negative questions but your the perfect person to ask. |
Your a complete retard and have no idea what your talking about. I was in Iraq for all of last year and yes it is a just war. We are making a huge difference and in a good way. People talk about the lawlessness there, but what about what it was like before we were their. And who is creating the lawlessness, not us, but the iraqis themselves and terrorists. We are doing our best to keep order in a country that has never had order. With further cooperation and a willingness for peace on their part, Iraq has a chance of freedom and democracy. BTW, way more civilian casualties in the past two years have happened because of iraqis themselves or terrorists then from coalition troops. The sad thing is that average joes around the world only have news or gossip to go on for whats going on over there. When most of the time those sources couldnt be any farther from the truth.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 29, 2004, 10:57:00 PM
My point was that they have very little to say about the US right now. They're back to attacking the Israeli's (particularly Jews) full-time.
Post by: pug_ster on September 29, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 30 2004, 07:00 AM) |
| Al Jazeera has never been shut down. It's an "independent" Arab news organization. Saddam banned it in Iraq, but there's always the Internet. My point was that they have very little to say about the US right now. They're back to attacking the Israeli's (particularly Jews) full-time. |
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
I doubt it. I think about 50% of it is talking about what is happening to Iraq.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 29, 2004, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: jeti on September 29, 2004, 11:44:00 PM
i have never heard of men stealing others" wifes at gunpoint. that is the crazyest thing i've ever heard.
i escorted civil affairs around baghdad all day yesterday. we went to a new school, market, and medical facility. all funded by the US. in some ways the all mighty dollar does buy happiness here. i guess we might go broke tring to create a democracy here?
Post by: The unProfessional on September 29, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
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i guess we might go broke tring to create a democracy here? |
No one thought it'd be cheap. Let's just hope it's possible
Whether we succeed or not, Jeti, you've done a great thing. Never forget that.Yeah, I know al Jazeera is shut down in Iraq. But they're still the #1 broadcast source in the Arab world.
Post by: pug_ster on September 30, 2004, 10:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 30 2004, 07:25 AM) |
| I dont know if you were following during past weeks. It was almost completely peppered with anti-US rhetoric. |
Al-Jazeera is targeted to viewers in Arab countries. Just like Foxnews is targeted to Bush supporters. Of course there are commentators in Al-Jazeera who are anti-us and commentators like Bill O'Really? in Foxnews.
Al-Jazeera has been shut down in Iraq doesn't mean that people in Iraq can point their satellite Dish to Iran to watch Al-Jazeera.
The fact of the matter is that every other day you read news that people gets killed by car bombs. I mean that the Iraqi Government really did (or if they can do) something about it.
http://www.cbsnews.c...ain646438.shtml
The president (still) paints a rosy picture in Iraq and promised that elections will take place in January. Yet, you don't hear anything about any candidates showing up in public (except Alawi) or any preparations for this upcoming elections. Maybe the Bush administration can pull a rabbit out from a hat or something or they are lying.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 30, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
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The unProfessional Who do you think held off a massive offensive on Moscow? You got it... the Soviets. They had mal-trained troops and a shitty air-force. They had brigades of female pilots flying night-time attack missions in BI-PLANES... while soviet troops held off German armored and troop divisions. Pretty damn impressive with a poor army and a country in shambles, if you ask me. |
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MaximumBeing Haha, just because it happened in "Enemy at the Gates", doesn't mean they actually did anything in the war. |
You ass... none of what I said came from Enemy at the Gates. Try reading a book for once.
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It wasn't their resolve that helped them win the war, it was their body count. |
My whole point was that they had terrible resources and managed to hold the front. Apparently nations don't deserve credit unless they managed to defeat the enemy without taking casualties.
Post by: gronne on September 30, 2004, 05:46:00 PM
Can anyone see the difference between USA and Soviet nowadays? All respect to the americans that are democrates by their own intelligence, but have you ever been less? Religion is the biggest trap in the world. Too bad the strongest nation in the world is the most sick and fanatic.
I mean republicans are so intelligent thinking they can force democracy upon nations like Iraq. I worked really well, didn't it? I never heard of suicide bombers from Iraq before. Terrorists are a MUCH bigger threat after Bush decided to "deal" with them, but I guess BJ will claim Bush has reduced them heavily. When will USA wake up from their sick dreams?
Jeti: You're fooled by your government, and you're only ready to die for their cause. You're their toy. Now, you probably won't die for nothing like a 1000 of your friends, but you should remember that what you're doing there, supporting one crazy president, is very unintelligent and extremely immoral. Your actions in Iraq will have, and already have, terrible outcome. You will have to live with this for the rest of your life. And if that's not a sin, then what is?
Post by: melon on October 02, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
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| Your a complete retard and have no idea what your talking about. |
your opinion which i feel is somewhat distorted and wrong. What makes you say I have no idea and what was wrong with what i wrote? BE specific instead of just attacking me.
I dont think it would have made your news but there has been a little girl from Iraq who is in the UK to raise awareness of civillian casulties. She lost 17 members of her family in one American bombing. She describes how before the war it was safe to play in the streets but now you cant leave your house.
Post by: The unProfessional on October 02, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
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You're fooled by your government, and you're only ready to die for their cause. You're their toy. Now, you probably won't die for nothing like a 1000 of your friends, but you should remember that what you're doing there, supporting one crazy president, is very unintelligent and extremely immoral. Your actions in Iraq will have, and already have, terrible outcome. You will have to live with this for the rest of your life. And if that's not a sin, then what is? |
Luckily, Jeti is more aware of the entire situation than you are. You also have apparently no respect for soldiers in general. You're trying to put some superficial guilt trip on a guy like jeti, trying to threaten him with sin. You have no idea what he's done or accomplished. But from your air-conditioned room, with your xbox, everything's pretty straight, simple, and easy.
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Religion is the biggest trap in the world. |
Then why are you threatening Jeti, a much more honorable human being than you, with religion?
Post by: jeti on October 02, 2004, 10:39:00 PM
i'm sure there's streets in america (or all over the world, for that matter) kids can't play on. maybe i'm wrong. crime here is no different than anywhere else. so please, no more of that, "it's so bad there now," bull shit. the whole terrorist situation is world wide. i just happen to be in one part of it. i guess we will continue to be here until we get some help freeing this country from dictatorship. maybe the u.n. might help out, or the iraqi people might unite together and stand up against the insergents. who knows. then again, don't hold your breath.
Post by: melon on October 03, 2004, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: gronne on October 03, 2004, 04:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Oct 2 2004, 09:49 PM) |
| Luckily, Jeti is more aware of the entire situation than you are. You also have apparently no respect for soldiers in general. You're trying to put some superficial guilt trip on a guy like jeti, trying to threaten him with sin. You have no idea what he's done or accomplished. But from your air-conditioned room, with your xbox, everything's pretty straight, simple, and easy. Then why are you threatening Jeti, a much more honorable human being than you, with religion? |
I'd say that to every american soldier supporting the attacks in Iraq. And since most americans are christian, I referred to those who are. Why should I respect soldiers? I joined the army in Sweden and got out of there after two days, due to a severe leg injury. These two days were really tough, with some nazi-discipline. I went there only because I was desperate to get away from home, no other reasons whatsoever.
But for one resaon I'm glad I had to leave, the insanity. The little time we had to speak to eachothers was not fun, all they spoke of was how fun it would be tomorrow with the AK's we were to recieve. And how they're inspired of american films. My captain(don't know what grade that is in USA), stood in from of us and said "In USA they say, YES SIR! In sweden it's, JA KAPTEN". I just thought about how pathetique that comment was. Did he seriously think we didn't know we are not from USA? And then he said "I am your captain. I'm am the best you've ever seen. You can't fucking argue that!!". What a pathetique loser!! You see that's what being a soldier is all about. They're not there because they love their country and to serve it the best they can, that's a fake image. It's the POWER. The power to command orders and use otherwise illegal weapons.
A few of them were forced to be there, they didn't talk about AK's. And I'm certain they don't care about "serving" Sweden. ALL soldiers are toys, no matter how you twist it.
If they would ask me to protect my country I probably would. But if they would ask me to attack another nation I would refuse. They would have to throw me in jail. Being anti-violence, I felt like a hypocrite going there in the first place, so I'm glad I'm out. And I have NO respect for soldiers, and neither should I.
Sure, I love Sweden, but I also love Norway, Iceland, The Netherlands and Canada(most of the time). Should I defend those countries as well?
So please tell me UnPro, why I should show respect for soldiers. And please tell me how he knows more about the situation.
BTW, I don't have air-condition, and nothing's simple in this world.
Post by: The unProfessional on October 03, 2004, 12:44:00 PM
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So please tell me UnPro, why I should show respect for soldiers |
Maybe you should ask why you SHOULD NOT show some respect for soldiers? You're judging American soldiers based on an experience you had with one lameass drill sargeant who had a hard-on for the military (and wasn't even american). Drill sargeants in basic training always have it in for cadets, making your job as difficult as possible. They do that to wash out the those who're not sufficient as soldiers.
How does that give you a basis to disrespect Jeti, who you have read several times. He clearly believes in what he is doing, and is not blindly occupying Iraq. He knows he can't turn the country around on his own, but works everyday to make a difference. Has he ever shown some sick enjoyment out of what he does?
You have the right to disrespect Jeti, but no reason to.
Post by: drunkmunk on October 03, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
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| Why should I respect soldiers? I joined the army in Sweden and got out of there after two days, due to a severe leg injury. These two days were really tough, with some nazi-discipline. I went there only because I was desperate to get away from home, no other reasons whatsoever. |
I guess people can only try to relate or judge other people by there own experience. I guess that explains this:
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| They're not there because they love their country and to serve it the best they can, that's a fake image. It's the POWER. The power to command orders and use otherwise illegal weapons. |
I don't how you can sit there and assume just because you joined your military for selfish reasons that others have done the same. I love my country and whether or not I agree with particular parts of our government doesn't change that fact. The fact that you weren't there out loyalty or a desire to defend your country helps explain why you quit like a little pussy after only two days.
As for your country emulating the american style of military discipline it could be worse... you ought to see the Republic of Korean (south) army. They beat the living shit out of there soldiers.
ps. yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons
drunkmunk
Post by: gronne on October 03, 2004, 03:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (drunkmunk @ Oct 3 2004, 09:21 PM) |
| I don't how you can sit there and assume just because you joined your military for selfish reasons that others have done the same. I love my country and whether or not I agree with particular parts of our government doesn't change that fact. |
Yes, my reasons were selfish...
So you blindly follow your government if they want you to fight a war you oppose of? Now you didn't, but let's say you did. Then it would be a pretty important part you disagreed with.
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The fact that you weren't there out loyalty or a desire to defend your country helps explain why you quit like a little pussy after only two days. |
I used to be an asshole that got a kick out of violence, but that ended shortly after I signed up, and I could clearly see this pattern in my army-comrades. There wasn't much that resembled to intelligence in these guys. I didn't quit, but they didn't allow me to continue due to my leg injury. They did a physical test to see how well we did. Apart from the running-test, which I didn't participate in, I was the one that got the best result in all other tests in my 32-man company, so I wouldn't consider myself a pussy.
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As for your country emulating the american style of military discipline it could be worse... you ought to see the Republic of Korean (south) army. They beat the living shit out of there soldiers. |
Did I ever say that the american army was considered tough? Navy-seal isn't a very big part of your army. And don't take South Korea as an example, try North Korea. The toughest army in the world is considered to be the French legionnaires, though.
UnPro: He wasn't my drill serjeant, though. My drill serjeants were my "Fänrikar". He was my captain, and I only met him once. He sure did scream a lot though.
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How does that give you a basis to disrespect Jeti, who you have read several times. He clearly believes in what he is doing, and is not blindly occupying Iraq. He knows he can't turn the country around on his own, but works everyday to make a difference. Has he ever shown some sick enjoyment out of what he does? |
Would be interesting to see what psychologists would write if they did a thorough test in the whole army system. It's a bit hard to see what amusements he gets from a screen. And my blaiming goes out to all soldiers that were not forced in the army.
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yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons |
Other use of words. Weapons DESIGNED to shoot other people, not grandpa's air-gun.
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who had a hard-on for the military |
I bet you would be surprised if you knew how many in the army had that.
We unfortunately HAVE to have soldiers, simply because others do. Why not take the morons that think their lives can be wasted for nothing? They are now designing the swedish army to be "only" defence.
Post by: drunkmunk on October 03, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
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| So you blindly follow your government if they want you to fight a war you oppose of? Now you didn't, but let's say you did. Then it would be a pretty important part you disagreed with. |
I served in war because my country asked me too, I still proudly serve my country. If I come down on orders to go back to Iraq then that's what I'll do. Whether I think the war was or was not "just" doesn't really matter, as a soldier I do what I'm ordered to do as long as it isn't illegal (ie murder, robbery or stuff of that nature). There were plenty of times when I was in Iraq which I felt pretty disillusioned and found myself asking what the point of being there was. Jeti is doing the same thing right now. He'll have a few more tough times after he gets home and sees the same shit on the news every night and realize nothing is changing over there. But dealing with those feelings and enduring those hardships is what makes him a Soldier.
So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict.
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| I didn't quit, but they didn't allow me to continue due to my leg injury. They did a physical test to see how well we did. Apart from the running-test, which I didn't participate in, I was the one that got the best result in all other tests in my 32-man company, so I wouldn't consider myself a pussy |
so your telling me that your Army has no doctors and they don't allow for recovery in your Army? According to most Porn you have to have the hottest Nurse Brigade in the world. I'd probably get a groin injury.
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| And don't take South Korea as an example, try North Korea. |
Never seen them I've only seen the ROK Army train.
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| The toughest army in the world is considered to be the French legionnaires, though. |
Who considers them the toughest in the world? British SAS and our Delta and Special Forces are some pretty bad assed mother fuckers
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| QUOTE yeah you do have a point I must confess I do enjoy shooting "illegal" weapons Other use of words. Weapons DESIGNED to shoot other people, not grandpa's air-gun. |
Of course they're designed to shoot people. wouldn't do much good to take a spit wad or an air gun into Combat now would it?
Post by: jeti on October 04, 2004, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: Arvarden on October 04, 2004, 10:59:00 AM
What about Pork chops? That should get em running for cover.
Post by: gronne on October 04, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (drunkmunk @ Oct 4 2004, 03:20 AM) |
| so your telling me that your Army has no doctors and they don't allow for recovery in your Army? According to most Porn you have to have the hottest Nurse Brigade in the world. I'd probably get a groin injury. |
Of course they allow recovery in the army, but they considered my leg injury as chronic. They decided it to be more of a problem to have me stay. And the female doctor that signed me off was really hot btw
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Whether I think the war was or was not "just" doesn't really matter, as a soldier I do what I'm ordered to do |
That's why I claim many soldiers are idiots. Sure, they are perfect for all nations governments, but still, idiots. Defending a nation is acceptible, but attacking is not. You still haven't helped the people of Iraq.
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So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict. |
We are a peace loving nation(nowadays), and I don't fear we will be attacked in the next 20 years, after that I don't know though. But I doubt any soldier would fight for specifically MY rights to be free, then he's probably gay. And I doubt that you think about shooting someone for the love of your family.
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You really know how to miss the point, don't you.
Post by: melon on October 04, 2004, 01:10:00 PM
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| So sleep well and make sure you pull that warm little blanket of safety up over your shoulders knowing that there are men who would die for you if Sweden ever had to face a conflict. |
Just thought i would point out that the US didnt actually have to face a conflct but decided it would be a good idea. Americans have no idea what it means to face invasion and for your country to properly come under attack. Your Government chose this war as did mine.
I would be happier knowing that if push came to shove and we faced invasion that people would be prepared to die for this country, i would even sign up, but those days dont exist anymore.
And gronne your Swedish, every girl is hot!
(I should know I've had a few )
Post by: The unProfessional on October 04, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Besides, war is war. An fighting a war on your own soil generally gives you the upper hand, tactically. Just look at the VC.
It's good to hear you'd be willing to sign up to defend your country, Melon. I've gained some new respect for you there.
Post by: gronne on October 05, 2004, 09:18:00 AM
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| It's good to hear you'd be willing to sign up to defend your country, Melon. I've gained some new respect for you there. |
That's why I've never understood patriotism. If you can't see where the obvious conflict goes here, it's not strange there are wars 24/7 in the world.
I've never got the idea of loving a border. I like the way my country is running, but would I if the the bourgeois took over? I'm not so sure. Sure, I like the fine nature in Sweden, but do I stop loving it when I cross to the norwegian border? No, they have a beautiful nature as well. I don't have anything in common with the people in northern Sweden, apart from cheering for the same team. Would I care about defending them? For humane reasons, yes, otherwise no. Why can't everyone just love eachothers instead? <--- This goes go to the sentimentality corner though
Melon: I have seen a lot of pretty english ladies as well. I was in Kos last summer and I was near scoring a sweet english lady
Let's just say I shouldn't have been so straight-forward But really, it's in the eye of the beholder. And ometimes it's a problem that we have TOO good-looking ladies here. Our society has become too superficial and nowadays that's all that matters. The ones that can't keep the high standards will have serious problems. I fortunately don't have this problem, however there's a greater need for psychologists for the ones that fall behind. If you go back only 40 years this problem was at minimum. So looking good has become a great class question. And it's all a fake image. I happened to see one of my former female classmates without make-up, and I realized how much they fake to look good.
Post by: jeti on October 06, 2004, 01:51:00 AM
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my question is to counrtys like sweeden. all of these countrys are "peace loving nation's" how can these places just stand back and watch while dictators like sadam kills thousands of inocent civilians?
if they had dictators like sadam they would be screaming for help too. i would like to have world peace. try to look out side the box every once in a while. just because you have cozzy litle borders now, doesn't mean the world isn't falling apart around you. if a crazy dictator gets ahold of WMD and starts using them, oh will you ever wish you spread the peace! you know since you live in such a --->
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Post by: melon on October 06, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
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| my question is to counrtys like sweeden. all of these countrys are "peace loving nation's" how can these places just stand back and watch while dictators like sadam kills thousands of inocent civilians? if they had dictators like sadam they would be screaming for help too. i would like to have world peace. try to look out side the box every once in a while. just because you have cozzy litle borders now, doesn't mean the world isn't falling apart around you. if a crazy dictator gets ahold of WMD and starts using them, oh will you ever wish you spread the peace! you know since you live in such a ---> QUOTE peace loving nation |
Sorry Jeti but at the moment there is a major crisis in Sudan check out the two links
http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/3718686.stm
http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/3718686.stm
then you have Zimbabwe and Nigeria has trouble.
How can America give Saddam the wepons then be surprised when he uses them?
There is nothing wrong with being a peace loving country, the UK is one we just dont have a peace loving Prime Minister.
Post by: Baner on October 06, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
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| but the coalition is killing tens of thousands of ordinary Iraqi civilians in the last 12 months. |
Those numbers are from everything war related. This includes, but not limited to, civilians killed by the other side (enemies), diseases "caused" by the war, lack of food/housing caused by the war. Saying the coalition is killing tens of thousands, makes it sound like they lined them up to be mowed down by a firing squad.
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In the same POST you look down at America for going into Iraq and removing their genocidal dictator, then you ask why we don't goto Sudan to do the same for them! All you're doing is finding reason to hate America. You have no true jutification for what you say since you change your view point, not only in different topics, but in the same post!
Post by: melon on October 06, 2004, 01:43:00 PM
On the UK, Blair will win, not because he is popular but because he stops the tories getting into power. Nobody has forgiven him over here for going to war. Almost everyone who was pro-war is now anti-war after learning what everyone else already knew. The tories in power would spell the end for a free health service and lead to a degeneration of public services.
Post by: Baner on October 06, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: The unProfessional on October 06, 2004, 08:29:00 PM
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It is well-known that anti-us rhetoric exaggerates civilian casualty counts. And obviously the military doesn't have any way of keeping accurate tabs on civilian deaths, especially those killed by insurgents. Someone's firing on you and you're supposed to call a timeout to count bodies?
I'm not saying accurate records are a bad thing. I wish we had them, too. I'm just asking for some reflection on how they could be kept without taking the exaggerated word of al Jazeera and anti-us hospital officials.
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I dont hate America far from it, Im not a big fan of the Electoral College/voting system and Im really starting to hate Bush and his cronies with a passion. |
So our age-old voting system is Bush's fault? Fascinating... so are the hurricanes in Florida.
But I must say the electoral college does suck. I hate politicians and their cronies... both sides have their puppets and they can all fucking hang for all I care.
Post by: Baner on October 08, 2004, 05:58:00 AM
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| "Hurricane Frances is the result of George W. Bush's refusal to sign the Kyoto World Climate Treaty," Lundin wrote to me in an e-mail. "Charley, Frances and now Ivan form an unprecedented three major hurricanes in one month. While Bush fights a war-for-oil in Iraq, his catastrophic energy policies have unleashed nature's attack on Florida." |
He's not saying you said, he's saying Dems said it.
What he's trying to say is
Something Happens = Bush's Fault