Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on July 05, 2004, 05:55:00 PM
Unfortantly as much as i hate bush, atleast he has a stance on something wich is more than i can say for Kerry. I guess i wont vote this year.
(Yes i know it was stupid to say i hate arguing then start a topic that will start more arguments)
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 05, 2004, 06:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hercules Q Einstein @ Jul 5 2004, 08:55 PM) |
| I hate all this arguing over wether he is a good president or not. The fact is he failed completly at the presidents 1st job; uniting america, thats a fact. The country has never been more split since the civil war, and its only getting worse. I want him out of office for the pure fact of re-uniting the US. Unfortantly as much as i hate bush, atleast he has a stance on something wich is more than i can say for Kerry. I guess i wont vote this year. (Yes i know it was stupid to say i hate arguing then start a topic that will start more arguments) |
agreed
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 05, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
And Small Business? Sure about that?
I agree he cares about Veteran's and women's rights (aka. abortion?)
*Note: I'm not biased either way. I'm not american and If i were I probably wouldn't vote like Hercules Einstein.
Post by: cainedna on July 06, 2004, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: gronne on July 06, 2004, 03:28:00 AM
Nonetheless it's a good statement).Edit: Ooops, I wrote it the other way around.
Post by: iwinulose on July 06, 2004, 10:22:00 AM
its the democrats
i dont care if the president is a complete dumbass (which bush is not), i still cant how anyone could have so much hate for him
its the fucking president of the united states i dont care what you are, you should always support your president in a time of war, maybe not fully but just a little
oh and get this, the librals want to impeach him if he gets voted in a second term
what the fuck it wrong with them???? they're trying to impeach him for what happened in the prisons in IRAQ
well you wanna know wat i think they can just shouve it up Clintons ass
oh and i would be very scared if kerry won the election, he cant even make up his mind on what to wear everyday
Post by: gronne on July 06, 2004, 10:49:00 AM
I'd say it's more important than ever to dare to disagree with the president in a time of war. I mean Iraq didn't attack you.
A completly ignorant post there iwinulose. Please read up for your yourself what you wrote and seriously consider what might be wrong with it.
Post by: iwinulose on July 06, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
as for the kerry issue i would support this country no matter what (i ment the country not the president in my last post, my bad)
and i never said that u HAD to AGREE whith your president but if we're in a war then i would think that if you live in this country and you prosper from this country and you have every right that a human is supposed to recieve in this country then you would support it in a time of war, regardless of who the president is
and you cant call me a dumb ass or what ever because of my opinion so i would appreciate it if u would just argue with facts and not start a flame war
because that makes you look ignorant
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 06, 2004, 12:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jul 6 2004, 03:03 PM) |
| number one ^ that movie is a disgrace to this country and Mike Moore should be thrown out of this country as for the kerry issue i would support this country no matter what (i ment the country not the president in my last post, my bad) and i never said that u HAD to AGREE whith your president but if we're in a war then i would think that if you live in this country and you prosper from this country and you have every right that a human is supposed to recieve in this country then you would support it in a time of war, regardless of who the president is and you cant call me a dumb ass or what ever because of my opinion so i would appreciate it if u would just argue with facts and not start a flame war because that makes you look ignorant |
well, i would support my country in a war, if it directly had an effect on my country
sure, US soldiers are dying in this war, and i feel sorry for them and i support the soldiers, not the war, because i feel sorry that a dumbshit president named George Bush sent them over there in the first place.
This war is not to be supported, as iraq has nothing to do with our security, no matter wjat magical tale you beleive in, but you should feel sorry that innocent men are dying because George Bush has his head up his ass.
also, moores film was good, you just dont like it because it shows bush at his dumbest (yes, i know its biased towards this administration, thats why i like it)
Post by: iwinulose on July 06, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
and even if it was Clinton they were making fun of i would still find the movie to be bad
if Moore really hates this country so much then why hasnt he left and how come he is still allowed to prosper from it
you cant just come out and attack the president like that, i dont care who it is
and you cant give me any libral bullshit about that (accualy you can but you'll just make yourself look like a dumb ass)
and yes iraq was a threat because Saddam wouldnt listen to any treaties or anything sooner or later he would start to invade other smaller countries or he would start wars with other countries, and you know that he would too
Post by: iwinulose on July 06, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
have you ever seen a republican come out and attack clinton like that?
i dont think so, its a sign of respect
you may not agree with the president and hay u may not even like him but u still must have respect for him, and Moore obviously does not, which is why i hate his movie and i dont like him
and hell i dont know why we havent taken over Canada yet (lol jk)
and the whole middle east is just falling apart, at least we helped one of the countries
Post by: thomes08 on July 06, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
because i know people who were killed in iraq because bush sent them there. I hate him because it was not completely necessary. You NEVER send your children to war unless you HAVE to. Bush would never send his daughters over there, he shouldn't send others.
"oh and get this, the librals want to impeach him if he gets voted in a second term
what the fuck it wrong with them???? they're trying to impeach him for what happened in the prisons in IRAQ"
If you can impeach Clinton for doing something that has nothing to do with his presidency you sure can impeach Bush for lying to america anout many issues, for putting fear into americans, and for being completely incompetant.
"Hahah, iwinulose sounds like Britney Spears in Farenheit 9/11."
haha i was thinking the same thing
"number one ^ that movie is a disgrace to this country and Mike Moore should be thrown out of this country"
that's such a dumb thing to say. You do realize this country was founded on protest, right? Remember history class?
"and even if it was Clinton they were making fun of i would still find the movie to be bad"
I doubt that...
"if Moore really hates this country so much then why hasnt he left and how come he is still allowed to prosper from it"
He doesn't hate this country, he hates what Bush is turning it into. Again, it's his right to say what he wants about bush, why can't you understand that?
"you cant just come out and attack the president like that, i dont care who it is"
The president attacked us with lies to put fear into our homes. Then he sends our children to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. And even if bush were the best president ever you CAN attack the president like that.
"and you cant call me a dumb ass or what ever because of my opinion so i would appreciate it if u would just argue with facts and not start a flame war........................and you cant give me any libral bullshit about that (accualy you can but you'll just make yourself look like a dumb ass)"
Hipocrites look like dumbasses
"and yes iraq was a threat because Saddam wouldnt listen to any treaties or anything sooner or later he would start to invade other smaller countries or he would start wars with other countries, and you know that he would too"
Ummm ok here is your homework: Read up on all of the treaties and U.N. rules Bush ignored. I'll give you one: Kyoto treaty.
"the freedom of speech is a grey area in some parts"
Michael Moore making this movie was not illegal, get over it.
"have you ever seen a republican come out and attack clinton like that?
i dont think so"
OK...... This statement was more retarded than the one about Moore being thrown out of the country. Were you in a coma when he was president? This statement is just flat out wrong
"you may not agree with the president and hay u may not even like him but u still must have respect for him, and Moore obviously does not, which is why i hate his movie and i dont like him"
Holy shit kid.... NO YOU DON'T! AGAIN, read up on how America came to be. Jesus Christ you don't HAVE to like, respect, support, or anything else the president if you don't want to.
Oh, and changing your mind is something humans do as life goes on and situations change. I don't see what all the fuss is about. I didn't completely oppose the Iraq war when bush fed us the lies on why we were going there, but as time went by and i began to take a major intrest in politics and learned about all the shit bush was doing and learned about the lies, i changed my mind. MANY people went through this. There is nothing wrong with it. When you're fed lies to make you afraid and support a war, then you find out the truth... why wouldn't you change your stance?
People need to actually take a few months or years and read the paper everyday and read online news sites and watch the news before they form opinions based on what they were brought up on as opposed to what is happening in real life.
thomes08
Post by: OrkanMan on July 06, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on July 06, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 07, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (mirx999 @ Jul 6 2004, 11:46 PM) |
| I'm not saying this to start a flamewar or to touch on personal nerves or anything like that, but you have to wonder... why would anyone enlist into the military if they didn't want to take the risk of going into war and fighting battles halfway around the world? If you don't want to go to war, don't enlist in the armed services; it's that simple. I don't want to hear any bullshit about Bush sending "our children" to Iraq to fight an unjust war. They ENLISTED, and are there as a result of their own actions. It's not like he sent in troops to kidnap your kids and airlift them into the middle of an Iraqi desert. These people joined the military by choice, and knew they were taking that risk. |
yes, but as the Commander In Chief, you cant just send those people off to die for lies and oil even if they did enlist
most armed forces commercials (as gcskate27 said) only talk about how they help you through college or learn new things, not about going off and dying for oil
Post by: iwinulose on July 08, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 08, 2004, 08:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jul 8 2004, 11:25 AM) |
| its not about the oil dont you think we would have taken the oil when we were in Iraq? and what lies are you talking about??? and no he can't just send them off, he needs congresses' apporval |
you are an idiot arent you
yes, he did have congress' approval (retards) but now its his call as to how many troops he wants over there, or for how long, or if he wants to pull out
and your trying to tell me, oil wasnt a factor, when haliburton (jesus christ, what a coincidence) is over there right now trying to get the oil back up and running for the "iraqi people" (my ass)
also, what are you talking bout, he clearly lied to us, if not, wheres the WMD's?
o, thats what i though, there are known
Post by: iwinulose on July 08, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ Jul 8 2004, 12:58 PM) |
| you are an idiot arent you |
wow see what would happen if the Democrats or Liberals took over the gov't
they cant even debate without trying to put down the other party
just to let you know, thats not how you win debates
| QUOTE |
| yes, he did have congress' approval (retards) but now its his call as to how many troops he wants over there, or for how long, or if he wants to pull out |
well i said he cant just do it him self and again, wtf is wrong with liberals, making fun of the person/people that your debating with wont automaticaly make you win the debate (and it never will)
so if you cant debate with facts then i suggest that you stfu
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 08, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jul 8 2004, 12:17 PM) |
| wow see what would happen if the Democrats or Liberals took over the gov't they cant even debate without trying to put down the other party just to let you know, thats not how you win debates well i said he cant just do it him self and again, wtf is wrong with liberals, making fun of the person/people that your debating with wont automaticaly make you win the debate (and it never will) so if you cant debate with facts then i suggest that you stfu |
aahahahahaha, i think i just won the debate
as i provided facts, and all you did was whine that i called you an idiot
jesus, why dont you trying arguing, instead of whining
how bout you show me some proof WMD's exsisted in Iraq.....o wait, you cant cuase they never did
or how bout the fact Haliburton is "fixing up the oil", what a choice of a company, a little suspicous of a choice though
Post by: spicymeatball911 on July 08, 2004, 10:55:00 AM
Kerry a few years ago was republican and voted for every policy Bush installed. Kerry voted FOR the war in Iraq, and everythign he complains about now.
Once some oppurtunity popped up, he switched sides, and took a chance at some power.
To me they are all spineless knuckle heads who can't think for themselves, wrapped around partisan politics and feasting on rhetoric.
Bill Cosby fo prez!!!
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 08, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (spicymeatball911 @ Jul 8 2004, 01:55 PM) |
| Its all kinda funny, Kerry a few years ago was republican and voted for every policy Bush installed. Kerry voted FOR the war in Iraq, and everythign he complains about now. Once some oppurtunity popped up, he switched sides, and took a chance at some power. To me they are all spineless knuckle heads who can't think for themselves, wrapped around partisan politics and feasting on rhetoric. Bill Cosby fo prez!!! |
i also love how people bitch that kerry changed his mind
i think once alot of what bush is doing, has done or is involved in came to light (the last 2 years) alot of people changed sides
Post by: thomes08 on July 08, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 08, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Jul 8 2004, 06:41 PM) |
| "fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, hmmmm, well...fool me twice......hmmm.... well you can't be fooled again" thomes08 |
exacty how he said it was
"theres an old saying in tennessee.....well, its from texas....but im sure they say it in tenessee. it goes....fool me once, shame on.......shame on.....you...fool me twice...........well.....you cant fool me two times"
and all the periods actually mean where he had to puase to realize what he was saying was dumb
Post by: afon on July 08, 2004, 07:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (spicymeatball911 @ Jul 8 2004, 07:55 PM) |
| Its all kinda funny, Kerry a few years ago was republican and voted for every policy Bush installed. Kerry voted FOR the war in Iraq, and everythign he complains about now. Once some oppurtunity popped up, he switched sides, and took a chance at some power. To me they are all spineless knuckle heads who can't think for themselves, wrapped around partisan politics and feasting on rhetoric. Bill Cosby fo prez!!! |
Well said.
Post by: Colonel32 on July 08, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Kerry a few years ago was republican and voted for every policy Bush installed. |
Thats nonsense.
Post by: iwinulose on July 09, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ Jul 8 2004, 02:43 PM) |
| aahahahahaha, i think i just won the debate as i provided facts, and all you did was whine that i called you an idiot jesus, why dont you trying arguing, instead of whining how bout you show me some proof WMD's exsisted in Iraq.....o wait, you cant cuase they never did or how bout the fact Haliburton is "fixing up the oil", what a choice of a company, a little suspicous of a choice though |
i was simply tellin u to debate with facts and not insults
and no u didnt win the debate
and 67thRaptorBull just tell me how we're taking oil out of Iraq, cuz i would like to know, the gas prices havent gone down yet, so u tell me
and u want to know what we make a big deal that kerry can make a single decision because that would only hurt the country, if he became president (god forbid)
Bush may not be the best president ever but hes much better than Billy o screw around and hes much better then kerry could ever be
edit: and why cant you democrats just come out and admit that Clinton was a horrible president (accualy he was a very good president for his first term but in his second he was horrible)
Post by: thomes08 on July 09, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
thomes08
edit: "Theres 5 kinds of people in this world:
The people who can count
And the people who cant"
haha
Post by: iwinulose on July 09, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
but it wasnt the only thing that made his second term bad
he just did a couple of things that really pissed people off (or at least the people i live with)
but lets get back on topic
the only way bush could have failed this country is if we werent united any more
Post by: XPxAxBxLxOX on July 09, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: xFusioNx on July 09, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (iwinulose @ Jul 9 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| i was simply tellin u to debate with facts and not insults and no u didnt win the debate and 67thRaptorBull just tell me how we're taking oil out of Iraq, cuz i would like to know, the gas prices havent gone down yet, so u tell me and u want to know what we make a big deal that kerry can make a single decision because that would only hurt the country, if he became president (god forbid) Bush may not be the best president ever but hes much better than Billy o screw around and hes much better then kerry could ever be edit: and why cant you democrats just come out and admit that Clinton was a horrible president (accualy he was a very good president for his first term but in his second he was horrible) |
Hey jackass. We're not taking the oil out. We're taking the money that's made off of the oil out.
We went in there guns blazing and now they owe us how much to "rebuild" their country? Exactly. We forced them to pay us to rebuild something we fucking destroyed.
That's how we're getting the "oil" out.
Post by: jokk on July 10, 2004, 03:53:00 AM
Post by: self on July 10, 2004, 05:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (XPxAxBxLxOX @ Jul 10 2004, 01:53 AM) |
| Just an update about the polls. I was watching the news and bush is still in favor with 49%. Kerry 44% and Nadar with 3%. |
In all seriousness, can someone please explain to me how this is possible?
Post by: thomes08 on July 10, 2004, 06:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (self @ Jul 10 2004, 02:16 PM) |
| In all seriousness, can someone please explain to me how this is possible? |
who votes in these polls anyways? I'm not trying to downplay any party i'm just curious, cause i didn't
thomes08
Post by: self on July 10, 2004, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 10, 2004, 09:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (self @ Jul 10 2004, 11:08 AM) |
| Ok. So does anyone have any trustworthy info on who is 'in the lead' so to speak? |
all i know is bushs approval rating is hover at or below 50%, which has got to help kerry
this election is between a dumbass and a well educated man, who should we chose?
Post by: nfs911 on July 10, 2004, 09:30:00 AM
KERRY WAFFLES ON ALL SUBJECTS....he said he was for war, no his isnt, he fricken lies!
DO THE FOLLOWING:
1. GOTO GOOGLE.COM
2. TYPE IN waffles
3. WHAT DO YOU KNOW, JOHN KERRYS WEBSITE COMES UP!!!!!
YOU OWN GOOGLE!!!!!
SIGN THE JOHN KERRY PETETION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: self on July 10, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 10 2004, 05:30 PM) |
| If f*cking gore would of won we might of been blown up casue all you dumb liberals dont like war. |
Right.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 10, 2004, 10:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jul 10 2004, 01:46 PM) |
| BAHAHAHA! Do you know anything of service buddy? Being willing to give your life for your country? Probably not. I bet you don't have any close family or friends in the military either do you? Apparently not, because if you did, you would know he DID in fact do something wrong: He attacked a country that posed no immediate threat to our country for the sole purpose of making himself, the Saudis, and his friends and families more money. And he's using our military to do it. As of Friday, 875 US men and women have died since the begining of military operations in Iraq. Bush declared Mission Accomplished on May 1st 2003. Uh, ok well remember those 875 people? I know you don't care at all cause you're a little lemming douche bag, but of those 875 people that have died since the start of this "war", 737 have died since he declared mission accomplished.  Huh? How is this possible? Let us recap, 875 TOTAL US DEATHS since the start of the war in Iraq. Bush declares "Mission Accomplished" and since then 737 US DEATHS since May 1st when he declared his fallicy. So that means: 138 men and women died during the "war" 737 men and women died during our unnecessary occupation. If you ask me that's not fair to the 737 families that lost loved ones over our illegal occupation and takeover of Iraq. NATO wouldn't even back us for fucks sake. That's proof enough that there was no reason for it. Bush is one of the first Presidents I can think of to ever defy their sworn allies and start a war. The countries that backed us, or the "Coalition of the Willing" as Bush and his PR advisors called it, 90% of the countries list within don't have a standing army, let alone anything to contribute to the "fight". Using the military unecessarily to take over a country is a crime. If you ask me an impeachable one. Fuck they wanted to impeach Clinton over getting a fuckin BLOW! What the fuck is wrong with everyone who cant see something wrong here? |
couldnt have said it any better
Post by: nfs911 on July 10, 2004, 11:04:00 AM
Oh, and btw.....
John F. Kerry missed 72% of 119 recorded votes held in 2003 on issues President Bush had taken a position on according to Congressional Quarterly. Fellow Massachusetts senator Teddy "Chappaquidick" Kennedy missed only 3% of these votes.
John Kerry met with Ralph Nader last week. Both sides of every issue were
discussed. And then, Nader spoke
KERRY CANNOT MAKE UP HIS MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone can figure out what John Kerry stands for other than John Kerry getting elected please let me know. Bush's latest attack is that Kerry voted against the $87 billion appropriation for the Iraqi reconstruction. Kerry's response:
I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it...
Heres a list of all the things kerry changed his mind on:
Troop Funding
Tough on Castro
Kyoto Treaty
Arafat
50 Cent Tax Hike
Abortion as a State Issue
ANWAR
PAC Money
$10,000 PAC Donation Limit
Personal Funds in Campaign
Vietnam in Campaigns
NAFTA
Federal Health Benefits
Military Service for Office
Burma Sanctions
Health Coverage
Welfare Reform
Gay Marriage
Litmus Test for Judges
Medical Marijuana
Affirmative Action
Death Penalty
Business Income Taxes
NCLB
Raising Taxes during downturn
Double Taxation of Dividends
Patriot Act
Intelligence Cuts
Cuban Sanctions
Persian Gulf War
Iraqi War
Israeli Fence
Criticizing president during war
ethanol
Play the Kerry vs Kerry Game!
John Kerry on tax issues:
December, 2002 - Senator John Kerry supports ending the double taxation of dividends: "To encourage investments in the jobs of the future - I think we should excite the capital markets by eliminating the tax on capital gains for investments in critical technology companies - zero capital gains on $100 million issuance of stock if it's held for 5 years and has created real jobs. And we should encourage the measurement of the real value of companies by ending the double taxation of dividends." (Senator John Kerry, Remarks At The City Club Of Cleveland, 12/3/02)
May, 2003 - Candidate Kerry flip-flops in favour of class warfare: "I'm not going to allow a specialized tax for the wealthiest Americans to be bum-rushed through the United States Senate and Congress...." (Adam Nagourney, "Kerry Introduces Health Plan, Pointing Up Divisions Among Democratic Contenders," The New York Times, 5/17/03)
"Kerry also reiterated his opposition to the Republican plan to cut taxes on stock dividends. 'This is not the time for a dividends tax cut that goes to individuals,' he said." ("Kerry Says Time Is On Dems' Side," The Associated Press, 5/8/03)
In September 2001, Kerry Said We Should Not Raise Taxes In An Economic Downturn. "The first priority is the economy of our nation. And when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. We shouldn't do either. We need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy. . . . No, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. . . . you don't want to raise taxes." (NBC's "Meet The Press," September 2, 2001
In December 2002, Kerry Flip-Flopped. NBC's Tim Russert: "Senator . . . should we freeze or roll back the Bush tax cut?" Kerry: "Well, I wouldn't take away from people who've already been given their tax cut . . . . What I would not do is give any new Bush tax cuts. . . ." Russert:"So the tax cut that's scheduled to be implemented in the coming years . . . ." Kerry: "No new tax cut under the Bush plan. . . . It doesn't make economic sense." Russert: "Now, this is a change, because let me show you what you said in September of 2001 when I asked you the very same question." (NBC's "Meet The Press," December 1, 2002)
Post by: self on July 10, 2004, 11:49:00 AM
On the other side we have the guy who has so far killed 900 american soldiers and 12000+ iraqi civilians, in an illegal war, started on the basis of lies, that has increased worldwide terrorism.
Tough choice.
(Seriously, looks like I probably would have voted for these guys if I were in your position, but thats just me)
Post by: nfs911 on July 10, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
HE DIDNT KILL THEM U DUMBA*S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG BUSH DID NOT KILL THEM HIMSELF YOU DUMBSHIT STFU; I OWN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW IS THE WAR ILLEGAL? 12,000 CITIZNES, YOU DUMBA*S THE TERRIOSTS ARE KILLING THEM YOU AS*.
BUSH DID NOTHING WRONG DUMB SH*TS STFU NOW!!!!!!!!!
Post by: xFusioNx on July 10, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (XPxAxBxLxOX @ Jul 9 2004, 08:53 PM) |
| Just an update about the polls. I was watching the news and bush is still in favor with 49%. Kerry 44% and Nadar with 3%. |
Oh and I just wanted to let you know those polls were wrong anyway:
47% Kerry
44% Bush
3% Nader
Those asked without Nader as a choice said:
51% Kerry
44% Nader
Post by: thomes08 on July 10, 2004, 02:10:00 PM
I thought the 1000th US soldier just died? I am sure i read it, am i wrong?
"HOW IS THE WAR ILLEGAL? 12,000 CITIZNES, YOU DUMBA*S THE TERRIOSTS ARE KILLING THEM YOU AS*."
Terrorists????? Do you mean us? If not i assume you're talking about the Iraqi people. If you are then you are a poor sheltered little boy if you think they're terrorists because they live in iraq.
i agree, however that terrorists are killing them. I think this girl was killed by terrorists.
i mean look at her.... at least the terrorists built her a nice wooden box to lay in. Oh wait, we built the box, and we killed her. Was she a terrorist? I think not, we're the only people causing terror, we're the terrorists.
and what if your uncle were killed? Would it all be worth it then? It makes a big difference if youre affected by this rather than just being an insensitive asshole.
so "STFU" and think about it.... you know, with your brain
thomes08
Post by: nfs911 on July 10, 2004, 06:06:00 PM
BUSH SENT THEM THERE FOR A REASON, THE US COULD OF BEEN BLOWN UP AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES. BRITIAN, SPAIN, ITALY, AUSTRIALA, THEY ARE IN THIS WAR ALSO, HOW COME EVERYONE IS BLAMING BUSH? BUNCH OF FRICKEN LIBERALS!
IF THE LIBERALS WERE IN POWER, THE US WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP!!! WE WOULD OF NEVER WENT TO WAR, TERROISM WOULD OF OCCURED, AND WE COULD OF ALL DIED.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 10, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 10 2004, 09:06 PM) |
| BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG. IF WE WOULDNT OF GONE TO WAR, WE ALL MIGHT OF BEEN KILLED!!!!! PLEASE GIVE ME THE ARTICLE WERE IT SAYS THAT THE US KILLED THAT CHILD!!!!!!! AND NO, BUSH DID NOT KILL THEM HIMSELF......SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT KILLED ALOT OF PEOPLE IN WORLD WAR 2 BECAUEE HE WAS THE PRESIDENT??? YOU ARE SAYING THAT ANY PRESIDENT THAT HAS A WAR WITH ANOTHER COUNTRY IS RESPONSILBE FOR ALL DEATHS???????? AND SINCE WHERE IS THERE SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL WAR?????????? BUSH SENT THEM THERE FOR A REASON, THE US COULD OF BEEN BLOWN UP AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES. BRITIAN, SPAIN, ITALY, AUSTRIALA, THEY ARE IN THIS WAR ALSO, HOW COME EVERYONE IS BLAMING BUSH? BUNCH OF FRICKEN LIBERALS! IF THE LIBERALS WERE IN POWER, THE US WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP!!! WE WOULD OF NEVER WENT TO WAR, TERROISM WOULD OF OCCURED, AND WE COULD OF ALL DIED. |
jesus fucking christ even calling you an idiot right now
i mean, being republican and dumb is one thing, but being republican, dumb, immature and basing stuff on facts is being Bush
ill number my points so you can follow along at the "slow pace"
1) IRAQ, yes thats right, IRAQ was never, never, never a threat to the US, never, not in a million years. thats like saying cuba is a direct threat to the US, its just ignorant to say that. Show me the WMD's or magical hollow aluminum tubes he had that would have killed people, show me.
And on top of that, he had no means to strike the US, unless hes going to pull a ICBM out of his ass, god damn you republicans are retarded
2)
| QUOTE |
| BUSH SENT THEM THERE FOR A REASON, THE US COULD OF BEEN BLOWN UP AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES. BRITIAN, SPAIN, ITALY, AUSTRIALA, THEY ARE IN THIS WAR ALSO, HOW COME EVERYONE IS BLAMING BUSH? BUNCH OF FRICKEN LIBERALS! IF THE LIBERALS WERE IN POWER, THE US WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP!!! WE WOULD OF NEVER WENT TO WAR, TERROISM WOULD OF OCCURED, AND WE COULD OF ALL DIED. |
What the fuck are you talking about? you think the war right now is helping us to protect ourselves from terrorists? are you blind to realize, this war just fuels terrorism and its cuase to kill the "infidels" or is your head to far up your ass? terrorists are people trying to get a point across, ie this point is stay the fuck away from our land, the land we've been living on for 2,000 fucking years, i mean, our americans that ignorant to think they can tell people to do what the fuck they want without backlash?? this war is just going to FUEL terrorism, you fucking moron, wake up
3) you need to tone it down, and yes, as commander in chief in charge of the over all operations and deployment of troops, its Bush's fault for the deaths of these soldiers and civilians, and get this, it was also Franklin Roosevelts fault for all those deaths, but theres a BIG BIG difference, WWII had a purpose, a real purpose, we were DIRECTLY attacked by japan, and we had the need to fight them off, i didnt see IRAQ DIRECTLY attack us, so the need to get people killed in iraq didnt exsist, IE, its an uneccesary war in which all the casualties fall as bush's fault since hes keeping the soldiers there, and he sent the soldiers there.
In laymens terms (just for you)
WWII + Roosevelt + casualties = ok, as it was directly needed (but no casualty is "ok")
Iraq + Bush + all the casualties = his fault, as the war wasnt necessary
Do you get it yet? or do i need to draw it in crayon?
Post by: thomes08 on July 10, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 11 2004, 03:06 AM) |
| BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG. IF WE WOULDNT OF GONE TO WAR, WE ALL MIGHT OF BEEN KILLED!!!!! PLEASE GIVE ME THE ARTICLE WERE IT SAYS THAT THE US KILLED THAT CHILD!!!!!!! AND NO, BUSH DID NOT KILL THEM HIMSELF......SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT KILLED ALOT OF PEOPLE IN WORLD WAR 2 BECAUEE HE WAS THE PRESIDENT??? YOU ARE SAYING THAT ANY PRESIDENT THAT HAS A WAR WITH ANOTHER COUNTRY IS RESPONSILBE FOR ALL DEATHS???????? AND SINCE WHERE IS THERE SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL WAR?????????? BUSH SENT THEM THERE FOR A REASON, THE US COULD OF BEEN BLOWN UP AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES. BRITIAN, SPAIN, ITALY, AUSTRIALA, THEY ARE IN THIS WAR ALSO, HOW COME EVERYONE IS BLAMING BUSH? BUNCH OF FRICKEN LIBERALS! IF THE LIBERALS WERE IN POWER, THE US WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP!!! WE WOULD OF NEVER WENT TO WAR, TERROISM WOULD OF OCCURED, AND WE COULD OF ALL DIED. |
yeah seriously......... you're 13 right?
edit: Nicely put raptor.... i think even he may be able to understand this.
Note to all true republicans..... please tell this kid to stop posting, some of you have good points and know a thing or 2 about politics, but this kid is seriously dampening my respect for you.
edit2: Raptor what state are you in? i was just wondering if your vote will count. Mine won't as i am in indiana..... yeah a little outnumbered here but if anybody knowns anything about hoosiers is that they're not the brightest (or healthy for that matter) bunch. FUCKING EC taking my vote away!
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 10, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (thomes08 @ Jul 10 2004, 09:35 PM) |
| yeah seriously......... you're 13 right? edit: Nicely put raptor.... i think even he may be able to understand this. Note to all true republicans..... please tell this kid to stop posting, some of you have good points and know a thing or 2 about politics, but this kid is seriously dampening my respect for you. edit2: Raptor what state are you in? i was just wondering if your vote will count. Mine won't as i am in indiana..... yeah a little outnumbered here but if anybody knowns anything about hoosiers is that they're not the brightest (or healthy for that matter) bunch. FUCKING EC taking my vote away! |
im from ohio, the so called, "deciding" state this year
whats sad is gore when the election last time, but never become president, so maybe this year will be better
Post by: thomes08 on July 10, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (polyesterjones @ Jul 11 2004, 01:25 AM) |
| I do not think Bush screwed up. I completely back this war, and why we are in this war. Face it; Iraq was indeed in breach of its restraints that were placed upon it after the Gulf War had taken place. Iraq was not to have a military; it did. Is that not enough justification for war? These were not laws placed upon Iraq just by the United States, these were laws placed upon Iraq by countries all over the world. It is just a shame that Britain and we were the only ones to do anything about this. Saddam was, simply by the nature of his demeanor, a weapon (WMD, if you will). This is a man who kills his own people using chemicals produced by his country. He oppresses and murders his own people without any ill remorse. This crazed man should not be allowed to have weapons, which he did, illegally. He should not be allowed a military, which he did have, illegally. To let him stand by, and further develop his armaments is a substantial threat to us, and other innocents in the Middle East. What could he do to use? Well, take a look at Al Qaeda. They did not have as much structure as the whole of Iraq. However, they were still able to come together and plan a massive attack on United States soil, which killed thousands of mothers, fathers, daughters, and sons. Sure, they might not be able to develop a nuclear weapon deliverable to the US, but you do not need a nuke to kill Americans, and other people. The Iraqis, the crazed Saddam loyalists, for which there were many, were not nice people by any stretch of the imagination. They were just as apt to kill innocent people as Saddam himself was. We need to rid the world of these religious totalitarianistic. Not only are they in Iraq, but also they are all over the Middle East, in general. Now, I am not suggesting another holocaust should be put into the works. Our growing presence in the middle east, with the establishing of democracies, is the only way to do this without being as bad as Saddam or Hitler were themselves. We desperately need changing of ideals in the Middle East before all hell breaks loose. This war is one of many steps that will take place in order to do this, not only for the US, but also for everyone. These people are more than willing to commit acts of terrorism to get their point across, to further their cause. They are as fanatical as the World War 2 era Germans. Look at the constantly ongoing battle between the Israelis and the Palestinians, for example. People are more than willing to blow themselves up, killing others in the process, to get their point across. You know that every other country in the Middle East doesn't disapprove of this besides, of course, Israel. What do you think would happen to the Israelis if we had absolutely no presence in the Middle East? Over 6 million people would die, but not without the use of nuclear bombs. Israelis are tough people, and they are also completely surrounded by enemy countries. If they were to get into an all out war, Israel would use the nuclear weapons it possesses, without a doubt. How can we allow this to happen? The United States cannot, and should not, stand by whilst another holocaust us taking place, whether it be just 100 miles from us, or 12000 miles away. To help others and give other oppressed people a free life is our job. What would the world be like if we didn't care? Establishing a democracy is the only way to prevent crap that this from happening. Sure we may not see results in the next couple of years, but positive results will result of us allowing people in the middle east to get a taste for freedom, because once you taste freedom, you will never go back. Unfortunately, we have quite a problem with establishing a democracy in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is known to harbor terrorists, and is also known to teach anti-American as well as anti-"other than Arab" beliefs. So why aren't we chasing after them? Oil. Saudi Arabia has oil. We cannot afford to do away with their oil, and the money we may make from their oil without a big hit to our economy. I don't care if you are Bush, Clinton, or Kerry. No one will have the balls to sever ties with the Saudis, at least no one with enough balls to do that will ever be elected by peace loving Americans. Well, as we speak, there are groups out in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, and many other countries plotting to kill Americans. To say they are not would be ignorant. 99.9% of what they plan will never follow through, but there still is that massive threat of having that .01% happen. I see I have been rambling on, but everything translates into this- We need to establish democracy in the Middle East. A whole section of the planet is anti-American, for the most part. To not take steps to rid us of this anti-American sentiment is dangerous to us as Americans, and others as supporters of America. You may not like how this sounds, but the American governmentÂ’s job is to keep American running. To ensure the existence of America. The government will do what it must, without resorting to the blatant and senseless killing of all anti-American believers (because we are better than that), to make sure that we will never leave this planet. Face it, in the government's eye, I do not care if you are republican, liberal, or democrat, anybody that is anti-American is a threat to our existence. The Iraqi war is just another step to change ideals, and WMDs was the horse we rode in on. We will establish a democracy. Albeit, it will be slow going, for they have yet to experience true freedom because of all the groups of people still loyal to Saddam, and/or his beliefs. After the war, and a stable democracy is rooted into the country, something will happen that'll make us have to repeat what was done with Iraq, but to another country, thus furthering our pro-freedom anti-terrorist beliefs. However, as I stated before, Saudi Arabia will be a large hurdle, and until the U.S. becomes more independent of other countries, we will have a hard time dealing with their terrorist ideals. It's wrong that money gets in the way of our safety, but that's how governments work. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some of what I have said, if not most, may have sounded a bit drastic if not extreme. I do not wish to kill people; I just don't want to see any more airplanes flying into buildings with Americans in it, or any people for that matter. America is the glue that holds this planet together. Without us, Europe would be in shambles, South Korea would be gone, Middle East would be a constant war, and African countries would face a poverty they have never before experienced, etcetera. Sure I may be a nationalist, but what American shouldn't be? Anyways, this is just my opinion, and I hope you people respect my opinion as much as I have respected yours. |
everything you just said is the whole basis of the right wing argument, and has been shot down every single time
basically, as its been said, the war was pointless, sadaam is not a threat, and now its just for oil
ie, bush fucked up
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (polyesterjones @ Jul 11 2004, 01:25 AM) |
| We need to establish democracy in the Middle East. A whole section of the planet is anti-American, for the most part. To not take steps to rid us of this anti-American sentiment is dangerous to us as Americans, and others as supporters of America. You may not like how this sounds, but the American governmentÂ’s job is to keep American running. To ensure the existence of America. The Iraqi war is just another step to change ideals, and WMDs was the horse we rode in on. We will establish a democracy. |
hahahahaha, sorry, those sentences of bullshit made me laugh
so, u feel, in order to protect america, its ok to lie about WMD's and threats, just to go into a country, fuck it up, get american soldiers killed, kill innocent civilians, pump a bunch of money that is needed here at home (-5 trillion deficit by 2010) into a country we fucked up (yes, believe it or not, at least sadaam provided a safe life and utilities to his people) then establish a democracy in the middle of a anti-american shit storm, and make others follow our beliefs
and all of this is for the good of america???
your a fucking idiot
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 12:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Jul 11 2004, 03:52 PM) |
| Great Post PolyesterJones I don't think that humanitarian efforts were worth poking the bee hive over or had much to do with this war. It was also strategic and some of us looking at Israel as an example don't think it was a good strategy. That is the only difference in opinions It's happening in other places of the world right now on a much larger scale. I can't believe this was a cause for war with Iraq. No you are, that post didn't have any rhetoric or talking points in it whatsoever, they were his opinions. Stop posting bullshit. Guy writes a book and you come back with your an idiot, this sentences make me laugh... |
that sentence made me laugh to, and im glad he wrote a book, about the same stuff thats been discussed, its all thats ever posted, the same old bullshit on why we invaded, and it has no meaning anymore
im tired of posting long posts with facts, i already posted one for NFS
Post by: nfs911 on July 11, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
Oh, and 67thRaptorBull, Your saying terriosim doesnt affect the US, you are saying that we shouldnt worry about terriosim??? That sounds like a good plan man!
Oh yeah, please draw it in crayon becasue I'm a stupid republican....I dont understand anything, please photoshop what you mean, thanks!
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 11 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| I agree with polyesterjones, bush did nothing wrong! Oh, and 67thRaptorBull, Your saying terriosim doesnt affect the US, you are saying that we shouldnt worry about terriosim??? That sounds like a good plan man! Oh yeah, please draw it in crayon becasue I'm a stupid republican....I dont understand anything, please photoshop what you mean, thanks! |
did i ever say terrorism isnt a threat??
myabe you mistook what i was saying, so ill say it again
1) Iraq is not a terrorists state, and it was never a threat, and besides some highly falsified documents, it was never connected to Al-queda
and this is what you took wrong
2) terrorism is a threat, but a threat that goes away, how might you ask?
If the US stops dicking around in the middle east, a place we dont belong (lets see, middle east's age is 2,000 years, US' is 250 years, wow, no wonder there pissed) then the terrorists will slow down there efforts or even stop. but now, republicans will say thats bullshit, all in the name of wanting more blood and oil and dead people
Its plain and simple, terrorism is only a threat, because the US choses to make it a threat, if the US pulls its head out of its ass (and some with Bush) it will be fine
ever wonder why during the cold war we never had terrorism, except in the form of our own people, because the US was to preoccupied with russia, it wasnt off dicking around and fucking over people it shouldnt have (like it is now)
when will people realize that, oooo.......once bush stops fucking up and resigns
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 11 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| you are saying that we shouldnt worry about terriosim??? That sounds like a good plan man! |
i beleive its terrorism, and i never said to stop worrying about it, i said if we leave the terrorists HOMELAND's alone, theyll leave us alone
but i guess the way republicans think, we should go attack china and enforce our views on there communist way, and then when they attack back, well bitch about it (9/11) for a few years and cuase more meaningless death
dont get me wrong, afghanistan was the right choice, but iraq was a fucked up choice, and the war on terror is going no where fast and soon it will cuase another major fuck up the ass for the US
Post by: nfs911 on July 11, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
lol
and your right, all I want is dead people!!!!
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 11, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (nfs911 @ Jul 11 2004, 04:32 PM) |
| wheres my picture man? lol and your right, all I want is dead people!!!! |
well how else can you explain iraq without coming up with bullshit excuses (ie, WMD's, humanitarian efforts, good of the world, etc)?
Post by: thomes08 on July 11, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
nfs.... stop posting nonsense, your best argument so far is "if john kerry were pres we'd all get blown up" Serisouly you're like 13 right? And your parents talk bad about dems at the dinner table. Grow up and think a bit
thomes08
Post by: melon on July 12, 2004, 02:18:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| This is a man who kills his own people using chemicals produced by his country |
I have provided concrete proof in other threads that it was the US and UK that provided Saddam with chemical weapons.
You say Saddam was a WMD but you ignore your country installed him into power in the first place. He didnt have any dangerous weapons if he did he would have used them against our troops in battle. Iraq was quite a liberal country compared to others in the middle east, jews and christians could live in Iraq they would have been killed in many other middle eatern countries.
| QUOTE |
| What could he do to use? Well, take a look at Al Qaeda. |
Then why not target Al Qauida? The Saudi's have massive links with the group but this is ignored by Bush as they are friends. If the Saudi royal family pulled out its trillion dollars it has invested into America it would bancrupt your country. Maybe this is why Bush does nothing they have your country in its pockets!
| QUOTE |
| The Iraqis, the crazed Saddam loyalists, for which there were many, were not nice people by any stretch of the imagination. |
I take huge offence to this statement. In fact it disgusts me.
I know several Iraqi's and they are all nice friendly people who just want a peacefull country to go back to.
| QUOTE |
| We need to rid the world of these religious totalitarianistic |
Again you show ignorance. Iraq was not a strict Islamic country.
Why do you think America has the right to "rid the world" of Islam? America is hated all over the world are you going to turn your intention to N Korea next or what about Cuba or even France? surely them froggies need to be brought into line. As a Brit I speak for the majority who would love to see us sever links with your "great" country.
Your suggestion that America should spread democracy accross the middle east is crazy. How about you change you ideals instead of forcing them onto everybody else. Your country has an excellent record of regime change, hows Afghanistan going? I have lost count of the dictators you have installed over the years. And now you have hand picked the new Iraqi government to be more America friendly! Most Iraqi people see America as an invading army and most would prefer to put Saddam back in power than the way thier country is now. And when there country is rebuilt they will be trillions in debt at extortionate levels of interest and the economy will be contolled by the IMF. Take a look at any country the IMF has dealt with and you will see they fuck countries over completely, as examples look at Jamaica and Turkey.
I dont belive you called what Saddam has done in Iraq as a Holocaust! You have a strange view on the importance of America in the world. If you didnt exist South America would not have such a volatile past. Your country has overthrown many democracies to install a dictator because they are easier to do business with.
If America did not exist Europe would be more united, Turkey is not allowed into the EU because of its (enforced) dependance on America. Korea would be united as its people want. The Middle East would not hate the west. Africa would not be kept in povery forced upon them by debt. S America would have democracies and millions of people would not have died. Jamaica would not be fucked and sweatshops would not exist.
I view America as a plague on the planet, not as a glue that holds it together.
These are my opinions and I have respected yours apart from the comment about Iraqi people which I request you explain.
Post by: thomes08 on July 12, 2004, 06:05:00 AM
thomes08
Post by: melon on July 12, 2004, 06:46:00 AM
Post by: CaTcHa on July 12, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I'm glad you think America is a plague but when was the last time you ate a hamburger at Wendy's, BK or McDonalds? How about had a Starbucks coffee? The computer you're on? Oh that's right. How about the xbox you play on (I assume that's why you're here) |
Well I dont know about him but where I come from in the UK we dont have a Wendys , i dont know what a BK for sure (if its Burgur king the closest is 35mile away and we consider that too far to travel for a cardboard tasting patty) is and McDonalds has been avoided and has been almost empty due to local feelings since late last year I think they have now laid most the staff off , last one I had was in early Jan and was p*ss poor so we havent been back since.
My Xbox was manufactured and assembled in Hungary
Never bought or seen an American made motherboard or soundcard here , powersupply / case is Taiwan and as far as I am aware NEC (My Drive & DVD writer) is japananese ? and they have a factory 15 miles from me so my comuter is not American either , seems as my lifes enjoyment owes little to the USA product
Never seen a Starbucks coffee as we are predominantly tea drinkers here in the UK but as you probably havent done much external travel you would not know of our heratige / likes / dislikes .
Really dont know where you get the idea America is on all our street corners nobody in my area of the UK gives a crap about American produce our shops are full of mainly Chinese and French / German merchandise , very very little American stuff.
Chinas the real future superpower ,wonderful drills and power tools , fridges , tvs , cant really think of anything appart from xbox they dont do . wonder why Bush seems unconcerned about there upward turn in fortunes , they certainly have a knack of producing better versions of Fender and Gibsons at a tenth of the price , Les Paul Goldtop plays as good as original Gibson for £130.00 , DVD player for £25.00 anyone plays all.
Yes our friends the Chinese are really keeping us in nice cheap goods and healthy takeaways
The futures bright , the futures yellow.
Stir fried chinese chicken no burgers and fatty fries (thats why we are mostly slim and healthy we steer away from USA fatty fast foods , the "Walrus" in US should consider trying our diet dont miss McDonalds or any of the other American food chains.
If you had been here you would know we have mnany more Chinese resturants and takeaways than American
Sooner we see less of American shoddy overpriced goods the better as far as Im conserned.
The hatred my country now has for America as a whole is probably largley unwarrented in the extreme that it now exists , however it DOES exist and is getting worse by the day.
It is probably a good job we dont have any American shops here as it would probably lead to violence.
Feel free to pick out my deliberate punctuation / spelling misikez
Post by: xFusioNx on July 12, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
Anyhow, your xbox was designed in the USA, so scratch that one. Is that BK that's too far away to get to still in your country? Yes. Is it still open? Yes. Thank you.
As far as McDonalds goes, they fuckin suck anyway but they are still open and still there.
Unless you're posting on here from Linux I don't think you have much room to talk. MS owns your whole setup probably.
What kind of connection you on? Cable? ADSL? Oh that's right, major patents owned by American communications companies I bet.
Either way, America is not a plague, they are just everywhere. Diverse cultures around the globe grab at the chance to accept American way of life. I know that sounds cliched but hey it's true. They are everywhere. I've done external travel too and I realize you guys like your tea. But I bet there is a Starbucks there somewhere. Just like everywhere else.
Wendy's was a shot in the dark. It's not THAT big of a chain. Shit I was just at the first Wendy's ever last month. Small town guy started it in Columbus Ohio and went on to franchise thousands of outlets across the country in less than 20 years. Pretty impressive.
Anyhow....
As far as China goes, they are the next super power. Duh. They have the largest standing army in the history of mankind. Take into account that they also manufacture most of the electronics on the face of the planet, not to mention various other goods. That leaves you with a country ready to explode into the major political front. Except for one problem: Anything outside of the major cities, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, is destitute. The train rides from the cities to the factories are hours long. Everything along the way is nothing but poverty. The Motorola plant outside Hong Kong is a few hours away and the people that work there, live there all week long (6days) and then go home for one day a week to be with family. They get paid next to nothing and work long days. It's a communist country that has little freedom outside of the foreigner friendly cities.
Way different than what you and I are used to, but arguably the next major political player nonetheless.
Oh and they have more McDonalds than you can shake a tea cup at.
Post by: thomes08 on July 12, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaTcHa @ Jul 13 2004, 03:49 AM) |
| Well I dont know about him but where I come from in the UK we dont have a Wendys , i dont know what a BK for sure (if its Burgur king the closest is 35mile away and we consider that too far to travel for a cardboard tasting patty) is and McDonalds has been avoided and has been almost empty due to local feelings since late last year I think they have now laid most the staff off , last one I had was in early Jan and was p*ss poor so we havent been back since. My Xbox was manufactured and assembled in Hungary Never seen a Starbucks coffee as we are predominantly tea drinkers here in the UK but as you probably havent done much external travel you would not know of our heratige / likes / dislikes . Really dont know where you get the idea America is on all our street corners nobody in my area of the UK gives a crap about American produce our shops are full of mainly Chinese and French / German merchandise , very very little American stuff. Chinas the real future superpower ,wonderful drills and power tools , fridges , tvs , cant really think of anything appart from xbox they dont do . wonder why Bush seems unconcerned about there upward turn in fortunes , they certainly have a knack of producing better versions of Fender and Gibsons at a tenth of the price , Les Paul Goldtop plays as good as original Gibson for £130.00 , DVD player for £25.00 anyone plays all. Yes our friends the Chinese are really keeping us in nice cheap goods and healthy takeaways The futures bright , the futures yellow. Stir fried chinese chicken no burgers and fatty fries (thats why we are mostly slim and healthy we steer away from USA fatty fast foods , the "Walrus" in US should consider trying our diet dont miss McDonalds or any of the other American food chains. If you had been here you would know we have mnany more Chinese resturants and takeaways than American Sooner we see less of American shoddy overpriced goods the better as far as Im conserned. The hatred my country now has for America as a whole is probably largley unwarrented in the extreme that it now exists , however it DOES exist and is getting worse by the day. It is probably a good job we dont have any American shops here as it would probably lead to violence. Feel free to pick out my deliberate punctuation / spelling misikez |
american here..... agreed, we're not "the best country in the world" as we're taught all our lives. And seriously we're taught that. I don't understand why we're better than canada or the UK or france. I think we're a good country that thinks it's a great country. I'd like to change it though
thomes08
Post by: XPxAxBxLxOX on July 12, 2004, 09:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaTcHa @ Jul 13 2004, 04:49 AM) |
| Xbox - point mine was not made in America , you can no longer afford to manufacture developed goods in your own country anymore and rely on countrys your government knows or cares little about , this is your countrys failing and will be your downfall / Chinas gain. |
Take a business class and read about outsourcing. What you said is not the reason why we send stuff to be made in your country. Its to make room in the U.S for more innovating jobs.
The rest of the stuff you said I agree.
Post by: xFusioNx on July 12, 2004, 09:15:00 PM
Look. China is a power player. They have the power, they have the resources, and they have the determination. Only one problem. They are an American ally. There economy depends on the USA just as ours depends on them. Our companies goods are being manufactured there giving them jobs. Without their cheap labor things wouldnt get made and sold etc etc. You get the drift. Either way I'm not disagreeing with you on China at all so lets drop it.
You sir are GODDAMN RIGHT that Bush hasn't done us any favors(favours for you) in the UK. That's pretty fucking obvious.
I'm not trying to cram America down your throat. My original post that you replied to wasnt aimed at you. I was simply stating that alot of the luxuries that people of the world enjoy came in some way shape or form from America. Your computer was designed in America, the software was designed in America, your xbox was designed in America, alot of the games were designed in America, your fast food originated in America, alot of countries are free now because of America. Now I know that those statements are broad, and you can say oh it was manufactured somewhere other than America blah blah. Who cares. That's not my point. My point is it originated here. End of story.
I'm not saying America is GREAT! EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE AMERICA, WE GAVE YOU EVERYTHING!
That's not what I am saying at all. Not in the slightest. I'm simply stating that without us, alot of the cool things that people enjoy around the world, including their freedom are thanks to Americans.
But hey we're shitty people too. We go into other countries and slaughter women and children over oil(Iraq). We occupy whole countries after decimating their population without giving aid or helping rebuild(Afghanistan). We stick our noses in other peoples business like we're the fucking worldwide cops (Somalia).
We're not great, we're not even good, but things would be alot different without us. Now we just need to get this president out of the white house so we can have somebody in office who is open minded to foreign countries. Bush sees them all as conquerable natural resource reserves.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 12, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
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But hey we're shitty people too. We go into other countries and slaughter women and children over oil(Iraq). We occupy whole countries after decimating their population without giving aid or helping rebuild(Afghanistan). We stick our noses in other peoples business like we're the fucking worldwide cops (Somalia). |
It mostly appears as if you're trying to appease others in this thread. Hating America doesn't make you any cooler than loving it. Implying that America lacks in providing aid is short-sighted, since the Western world is always the first to provide actual financial aid, not token bull shit. The situation in Iraq is a whole other can of worms, but you may want to do a little homework before you rant and rave. Also, America is asked for military aid consistently, and the politics involved aren't as cut and dry as your post would imply. Every nation in the world protects it's interests, not just the US. Look at Sharon throwing up a wall well into the West Bank despite the fact that it's completely illegal. America supports Israel, yes, another mistake. Once again... interests.
It's up to you to educate yourself on the actual events and political details.
Getting Bush out of the white house isn't an instant solution, unfortunately. As far as I'm concerned, both parties have lousy foreign policies, and all the important issues have become such polar issues that neither party has a damn clue. An independent who thinks for himself would be nice.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 12, 2004, 10:29:00 PM
Changing your opinions based on pressure from your party and the audience at hand is no better than lying. Bush and Kerry can suck each other off for all I care.
Post by: melon on July 12, 2004, 11:46:00 PM
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| There would be no EU because North Africa, Western and Eastern Europe and most of Russia would be controlled by Germany. |
Ii hate this assumption that America won WWII we would have won it without you.
You show your ignorance on the situation by this statement.
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| Japan would've taken over China and would be battling on it's northern front to keep the Germans at bay. |
The Germans, Italians and the Japenese were allies and together were planning an atack on the USA. So how would Japan be battling to keep the Germans at bay?
In fact you should thank Britain as there is no way you could have defeated Japan without the A bomb. And wasnt European scientists, especially us English who invented it?
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| That's right bitch. You eat sleep and breath America, no matter where you live so shut up, sit down next to NFS911 and eat your veggies like mommy says. |
i have no idea what nfs911 is but if America is so great why is Japan producing far superour electronic goods? What about Japenese cars or european cars? Far better than anything you have to offer! Everyone laughs at the American cars they try an sell over here. So what if the ford focus is the best selling car in britain, it is european designed and european built. Just the name is American and the dire financial state of your major car companies means it will not be that way for long.
How many American innovations are produced by European scientists/engineers?
It is quite a lot.
So why dont you shut up, sit down on that obese arse and shove your face full of that bucket of "FREEDOM" fries (lol).
The world owes you shit.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 06:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (XPxAxBxLxOX @ Jul 13 2004, 12:13 AM) |
| Take a business class and read about outsourcing. What you said is not the reason why we send stuff to be made in your country. Its to make room in the U.S for more innovating jobs. The rest of the stuff you said I agree. |
what the fuck are you talking about?
so by sending american jobs overseas and cuasing 1.8 million job loses, it helps this country?
in theory yes, but in theory this world was made by a ball of nothing, so.......
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 07:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jul 13 2004, 10:20 AM) |
| Listen Melon I know you're a piece of euro trash but that's ok. I have nothing against you. You might wanna re-read your history book. I mentioned that Japan would be fighting off Germany because Japan was concerned with one thing: moving into the asian continent. They had been trying for hundreds of years to overtake China. That's common knowledge history there buddy. As far as Japan goes, if America wasn't a threat to Germany, I'm sure Japan would've focused their Military might on Germany, and probably prevailed. But that's the point it's a "What If" situation. No facts can determine what would've actually happened so you are arguing a moot point. You're right. I feel that no other country owes America shit, you people just hate us so much that you swear to god you don't need us for anything. I was simply stating that there have been times you did, and alot of people are around today because of that. Regardless. I have news for you. I'm a history channel buff, always have been. Tons of war historians believe that there was no possible way for the European allies to defeat Germany on their own. Sorry but by saying that, you're a fool. The freedom fries thing is fucking retarded. I chalk that one up to our politically controlled media for spreading mass bigotry toward France and the French. So what if they didnt wanna come to war with us? I don't fucking blame them, they knew it was wrong. Last I checked obesity was a problem in your country too so you might wanna rephrase that from generalizing Americans as obese. You're right obesity is a major problem here, but it is where you live too. This argument is tired, I've only tried to prove to you that America isnt the piece of shit you make it out to be. You need us as much as we need you, so I say who gives a fuck. Be a pompous ass all you want, it makes no difference. nfs911 is the other guy who posted similar garbage like you. This is the prime reason for why people need to read every post in a thread, they just jump on in and spout of shit without reading the whole thing. If you cant take the time to read all of the pages in a thread THEN DONT FUCKING POST. By asking who he is you obviously didnt read the whole fucking thing. |
i like ur post and everything, but truth be told
america is a peice of shit, and i live in america, so i can say that, sense i know how the fuck this country DOESNT run
Post by: xFusioNx on July 13, 2004, 08:04:00 AM
Bush has no idea what he's doing and I don't think Kerry would be much better, but who knows. He rides the fence so much that maybe once he's in office he'll hop to the good side.
Nader has no chance in hell of winning so don't even mention him.
I think General Wesley Clark should have been the Democratic candidate. He'd have been perfect.
Post by: gronne on July 13, 2004, 08:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Jul 13 2004, 06:48 AM) |
| For one, I think it's inappropriate to frown upon someone because they have a great amount of pride for their homeland. In fact, I'd much sooner frown upon someone for NOT having pride in their homeland, wherever it may be. |
Please UnPro, tell me the reason(s) you have to feel proud of your country? Tell me what good comes from pride?
I hope you know what pride did in the early 20th century. If you live in N.Korea and feel proud of your country, I'd say you're sick in the head.
If my country would attack another country for no reason (e.g. USA-Iraq), I'd probably leave as fast as possible, or I would fight against my own government. Now, my country wouldn't do that since we are sane, and haven't fought in a war for 200 years. You see we are tired of war, we were a huge nation back in the 17-18th century, and we don't want to go back to the slaughter USA now does.
It's countries that have a great need for pride that get's involved in wars. So please tell me the purpose of pride.
Post by: Ween311 on July 13, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: feflicker on July 13, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
B.) I have never seen so many topics/threads on any other Country.
I mean, seriously, instead of being jealous, why don't you spend your time figuring out a way to make your Country matter too?
ANYWAY, back on Topic: Bush is an ass. He is certainly not making things any better for us, so let's try someone new. That is why we have elections every 4 years
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 13, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
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| ANYWAY, back on Topic: Bush is an ass. He is certainly not making things any better for us, so let's try someone new. That is why we have elections every 4 years wink.gif |
yeah, I agree, Anarchy now
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (feflicker @ Jul 13 2004, 02:28 PM) |
| I generally try and avoid these threads, because too many people without brains post in them, but... It is pretty obvious the U.S.A. is the most influential/powerful Country on the planet. That makes a pretty good argument for the American way of life. It is not even worth debating. How do I know this? A.) Because just about everyone hates us. B.) I have never seen so many topics/threads on any other Country. I mean, seriously, instead of being jealous, why don't you spend your time figuring out a way to make your Country matter too? ANYWAY, back on Topic: Bush is an ass. He is certainly not making things any better for us, so let's try someone new. That is why we have elections every 4 years |
thats ignorant, you may think were the msot powerful (im sure ur talking in terms of might) country, but were not, we just pick on small, defenseless and innocent countries, that we feel powerful
my proof
try bombing russia, china, or any other actual country, and see what comes of it
sure, ull survive the first 5 nukes that hit the US, but sooner or later, ur fucked
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 12:13:00 PM
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Please UnPro, tell me the reason(s) you have to feel proud of your country? Tell me what good comes from pride? |
Pride drives people to succeed. Do you think we'd be living into our seventies if our predecessors didn't have pride in their fellow human beings and in their work? Do you think people would be willing to defened their countries against foreign invaders if they didn't have pride? Pride also drives the personalities of tyrants. Pride has good and bad effects, just as every other aspect of human nature. Virtually every major innovation is a result of pride.
It's EXTREMELY ironic how you complain about the negativities of pride, then spout off about how wonderful your country is because it hasn't faught a war in 200 years. That's pride, buddy.
I'm sure most North Koreans have pride in their country, whether they're suffering or not. You're way too arrogant.
OH, and the Germans were the first to attempt to purify uranium for the creation of the Atomic bomb. A scientist known as Einstein (you may've heard of him) contacted the US (Roosevelt) and a handful of scientists and the Manhattan project was born. Einstein was German... not English.
The English were the first to verify Einstein's theory of relatively. Maybe that's what you're thinking about. Why do people always bitch about what countries invented what. Maybe it's just pride
Knowledge benefits everybody.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
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...the most influential/powerful Country on the planet |
You immediately converted that to military might, which he said nothing about.
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
1.) we knew we could win
2.) they don't shit for weapons compard to us. WMD's aside they didn't even have guided missiles. They ended up shooting missiles into the water.
It's a lot easier to say you're a good team when all you play are the bad ones. If we played against China we'd have a game on our hands.
obviously the military was a HUGE part in that statement. And besides military we're well known because we stick our noses where they don't belong. Foreign policy is something we need to keep on top of, but something like 75 or 80% of the president's time is dealing with foreign matters. I'm not knocking Bush (this time) here, it's all presidents. We have so many problems at home in our country it would be useful to get ourselves together before blowing up another country, then rebuilding their government.
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 02:48:00 PM
On the subject of Bush not meeting with other leaders. He does, but not nearly as much as clinton did, and he seems to stray away from the places that don't like him. I would much rather have had bush try and (gasp) use his brain to get out of situations instead of people's lives. I mean christ people i went to school with are dead because of this war. That's just fucking wrong, that's not how it was supossed to be.
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Jul 13 2004, 04:24 PM) |
| I still believe feflicker was referring more to political power and influence than military force... give him the benefit of the doubt. |
i still wouldnt agree with that though, at this present time, theres been so many administration, intelligence and overall US fuckups that no one seems to care what we say now (politically) accept countries that cant do anything about it (ie, iraq, and all those other harmless, weaponless countries)
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 13, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ Jul 13 2004, 09:09 PM) |
| thats ignorant, you may think were the msot powerful (im sure ur talking in terms of might) country, but were not, we just pick on small, defenseless and innocent countries, that we feel powerful my proof try bombing russia, china, or any other actual country, and see what comes of it sure, ull survive the first 5 nukes that hit the US, but sooner or later, ur fucked |
lets leave nukes out of this. nukes will destroy the world regardless, and you don't need many to do it.
if you want to stay along those lines, we can destory the world far more times then russia china or any other "actual" country as you say. but thats pointless.
#1
we have an all volunteer army. that raises morale, because you have people who WANT to be in the army rather than HAVE to be in the army. and, while obviously it is not as big as in number of men compared to china, which has a much larger population, proportionally, more people are in the US army compared to the population as a whole. so that shows a volunteer army is very effective, and all the talk about a draft is bull
#2
we are retiring army tanks, vehicles, copters, etc. that are 10x better and more powerful then anything other countries are currently using. 'nuff said.
#3
id like to see where another country moves troops as fast as we do. don't take long at all for us to mobilize the United States Armed Forces.
#4
even as far back as the revolutionary war we have been winners. buch of rag-tag men with pitchforks and antique rifles beat the VERY well trained and equipped brittish army. and even wars we technically lost (Vietnam for example) would most likely have been won if we had TRIED. also id like to see anyone else detroy sadaams regime as fast as we did. and yes, there are still Bath party loyalists, but they are fighting by their own choice, not by sadaams
#5
nobody attacks us openly. they do it in secret, because they know if we find out, we can stop them. easily. thats the only reason 9/11 happened, bad intel, and the fact that they kept us from figuring it out before too long.
and even if we did, and blew up those jets, people would hate bush even more then they do now: "He blew up those planes, just because he had a vauge HUNCH that terrorists hijacked it!!!!"
boy i can hear it now.
so we have the most powerful, influential, and successful military in the world. argue all you want, the fact remains.
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
not to mentioned they didn't even use a quarter of their army
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
With our economy as shitty as it is a LOT of people would love to have those lowlevel jobs, but since they are overseas they can't. Again read this whole thread you'll find my less than desireable views on my country, but you're speaking out of judgement here.
thomes08
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 06:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 13 2004, 06:49 PM) |
| oh boy yet another political thread....well id better stick in my .02 democrats are obvious liars here....search for staff statement 15. its a statement, recently made, by the 9/11 commision, that says the war in iraq is going good. also, we have found evidence of WOMD, however nominal. so you can't claim we have found no trace. we found a cache of missiles, and a truck with a WOMD lab on it. but thats it. i personally think he had them, but shipped them out before the war. we know he shipped something, but not what it was. and the "you can look here, but NOT here" and a week later "ok, NOW you can look here" attitude towards the UN inspectors suggests he had them. also, did you know he bought 5000 ps2 consoles? yeah, i know thats a myth, but only part of it. he did buy the consoles, but not for military purposes. anywho, the point remains, we did the best we could with the intelligence we had before the war, however much the CIA blew it out of proportian. the war definately was needed on humanitarian ground, so what i wonder is WHY is the bush administration still insisting it was needed on defensive grounds? a humanitarian stance on the war would incease his standings i think. btw, if i turned 18 b4 november (18 in january) i would vote bush. simply because kerry cannot keep a stance on anything. now ive heard the arguement whats so wrong with changing your mind. well, nothing. but you cant keep chaning your mind on EVERYTHING, and kerry almost changes his mind on EVERYTHING. it shows he will be very wishy-washy as a president. and you know something interesting? he got the purple heart because he got scatched. the silver star was for shooting a fleeing sniper in the back. the bronze star was for pulling a guy out of the water after he fell out of the boat. well, he would have been courtmarsheled if he had let him drown. seems like them starts were pretty easy to get in vietnam. also, if he is so against outsourcing, why does he still support Heinz, which his wife? exwife? (not sure) is an owner of. they have tons of plants in foreign countries which employ cheap laber. so as you can see, he can't have a firm stance on hardly anything, and he is a hippocryte. now there are some things i hate about bush, dont get me wrong, im not a michael moore bush hater democrat or a rushlimbaugh fan republican, im an independent and i have my own opinions, and i dont let them be swayed by political parties. his stance on illegal aliens makes me hate his guts. they are illegal, we deport them in any way possible. but i hate far more things about kerry than bush. theres probably more to put here, but i have a brain fart right now and am getting tired of writing. time to work of Project Ultima. (4 consoles + a pc in a midtower case) and yes, i do have the room and cooling. been mentioned THOUSANDS of times. |
and i thought nemt was as ignorant as they get
a WMD lab doesnt mean shit, unless it had traces of chemicals or other shit in it (which, was never publicized, so im guessing not) and a missile dont mean a fuck if it doesnt have anything in the warhead
also, bout the militray might
you can say all you want, but id like to see the US beat out China's army
150,000 vs 2 million
your right, were superior
Post by: white_devil on July 13, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10 Bush would give himself an A+
White-Devil...I go in your FUCKING nose.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 13, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 13 2004, 07:08 PM) |
| #1 we have an all volunteer army. that raises morale, because you have people who WANT to be in the army rather than HAVE to be in the army. and, while obviously it is not as big as in number of men compared to china, which has a much larger population, proportionally, more people are in the US army compared to the population as a whole. so that shows a volunteer army is very effective, and all the talk about a draft is bull #4 even as far back as the revolutionary war we have been winners. buch of rag-tag men with pitchforks and antique rifles beat the VERY well trained and equipped brittish army. and even wars we technically lost (Vietnam for example) would most likely have been won if we had TRIED. also id like to see anyone else detroy sadaams regime as fast as we did. and yes, there are still Bath party loyalists, but they are fighting by their own choice, not by sadaams #5 nobody attacks us openly. they do it in secret, because they know if we find out, we can stop them. easily. thats the only reason 9/11 happened, bad intel, and the fact that they kept us from figuring it out before too long. so we have the most powerful, influential, and successful military in the world. argue all you want, the fact remains. |
i thought id logically pick away at some of these statements
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#1 we have an all volunteer army. that raises morale, because you have people who WANT to be in the army rather than HAVE to be in the army. and, while obviously it is not as big as in number of men compared to china, which has a much larger population, proportionally, more people are in the US army compared to the population as a whole. so that shows a volunteer army is very effective, and all the talk about a draft is bull |
so explain to me why the numbers in the army were dropping off??
they only rose back up because so many people started losing jobs (due to the fucked up economics bush is running) that they needed SOME kind of money, and the army also goes up to inner city people (stereotypes) and targets them, why, because "the army can offer you a degree in college and a casket to put you in"
our army sucks, is nothing but a bunch of uneducated people, killing for the fun, and being killed for oil
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| #4 even as far back as the revolutionary war we have been winners. buch of rag-tag men with pitchforks and antique rifles beat the VERY well trained and equipped brittish army. and even wars we technically lost (Vietnam for example) would most likely have been won if we had TRIED. also id like to see anyone else detroy sadaams regime as fast as we did. and yes, there are still Bath party loyalists, but they are fighting by their own choice, not by sadaams |
you lost all respect by using "we could have won vietnam"
well, we could have lost the revolutionary war, now couldnt we?? but did we, no, so you cant be using what ifs or statements that arent backed, face up to it, no matter how macho you think this country is, we got our asses beat by a bunch of people running around in the jungle with older weapons, and very primitive booby traps
also, what the fuck our you talking about, pitch forks??? they all used the same basis of gun, a gun and a ball, no one was better then the other, why do you think they stood 50 yards away when they shot???
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#5 nobody attacks us openly. they do it in secret, because they know if we find out, we can stop them. easily. thats the only reason 9/11 happened, bad intel, and the fact that they kept us from figuring it out before too long. |
you can think no one would attack us openly because wed kick their ass, but your ignorant for that to, and for two reasons
1) normal countries arent like the US, they dont go off stiring up shit storms, and attacking a country that didnt do shit for oil and "to stop terrorism"
ie, the US is the only fucked up country that would attack another country (fuck, even NK isnt attacking anyone)
2) the only countries we've attacked in the last 50 years, and won, is iraq, afghanistan and iraq again, now that says alot doesnt it?? i mean, first we bomb the shit out of iraq (and kill lots of innocent people, how nice of us), then we bomb the shit out of a sand hole, then we bomb the shit out of an even weaker iraq, arent we the big bad country?
go try that shit on russia, NK, china, japan, vietnam (haha, thatd be a riot, get ur asses kicked again), GB, hell, even germany, and see what happens to this so called, "military might".
again, your statments are very very ignorant
also
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| also id like to see anyone else detroy sadaams regime as fast as we did. |
wow, how many times have i said ignorant, no one else could do it that fast, because no one else saw it deemed fit to kick the shit out of an already dead country, that presented no threat and had no links to the terrorists we were after, but i guess their all pussies for not doing that.........
but you bet your ass, china puts all there man in iraq, the war would be over in a week
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| so we have the most powerful, influential, and successful military in the world. argue all you want, the fact remains. |
im sorry, what facts, the ones you pulled out of your ass???
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 09:38:00 PM
This thread has gotten way out of control. Now people are judging entire populations by their extensive "travels".
It truly angers hard-working contributors to be called lazy. I'm rolling into my 18th month of 16-hour days. Hard work is an individual endeavor. Your precious UK has it's share of lazy bastards, too. Judging my hard work by your "travels" is sickening. What have you created?... Besides anger.
People need to stop hating and debate a point for once. I see piles of speculation, blind arguments, fallacies, and facts about as hard as the cock posting 'em. Perhaps I should just add some of my own.
Why's it about "Who can the US beat?". US + N. Korea = global political unrest and arguably a nuclear holocaust. Same goes for China. It has VERY little to do with standing armies when you consider a war between the US and N.Korea/China.
A US war with Japan? Britain? While we're randomly naming off countries, why not Madagascar? How about Canada? Why don't we just do a complete comparison of the world's militaries just for kicks. Who really gives a hell how armies compare anyway - it's all speculation. Numbers mean virtually nil. Under certain circumstances, Brazil could cream Western Europe. Under other circumstances, China could get wasted by Taiwan while America falls to Mexican guerillas. Ludicrous? Welcome to the world of speculation... fun isn't it.
Post by: thomes08 on July 13, 2004, 10:10:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: CaTcHa on July 13, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
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Catcha: out of curiosity, where in America did you go, and exactly what attitude did you come here with? Did you think that maybe you had something to do with the level of welcome you received?
Post by: melon on July 13, 2004, 11:43:00 PM
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| even as far back as the revolutionary war we have been winners. buch of rag-tag men with pitchforks and antique rifles beat the VERY well trained and equipped brittish army |
Should just say we surrendered to the French not the Americans. Read up on it.
Catcha can I have a job if your family owns engineering companies
I was even at both rallies although only got to hyde park when ms dynamite was on. I missed Tony Ben
and there was god knows how many people behind me. Oh and I spoke to a few Americans and even a Jew (the Jew was brave as there were tons of Palistinian refugees protesting)Im English I hate Tony Blair, at the moment he is very unpopular and I suppose a hate figure. Its a fact every country Bush goes to has a protest about him coming. He is also a hate figure.
I know a few people who have been to America this summer. They all said they experianced some hatred and were all told and this is a quote one of them remembered;
"who do you think you are trying to get Tony Blair sacked for supporting our great country".
I know it will be a minority of people holding this view, porbably the lazy guys catcha bumped in to
I have no doubt there are a lot of hard working Americans.
Outsourcing is a problem here to. A lot of call centre jobs have gone to India and they can be really hard to understand. The problem was that call centres tended to be in poorer areas. Thousands of jobs have disapeared but its not like the recently unemployed are overly qualified to do anything else so there fucked. What you have to consider is who benefits from this? As a customer my gas and electricity prices havnt come down, my telephone bills are not cheaper. So where do the savings go? To the rich who own the companies, in multi million £/$ salaries for the directors.
Sorry for being erratic but there was too much been said since i last posted.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 05:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Jul 14 2004, 12:38 AM) |
| Why's it about "Who can the US beat?". US + N. Korea = global political unrest and arguably a nuclear holocaust. Same goes for China. It has VERY little to do with standing armies when you consider a war between the US and N.Korea/China. A US war with Japan? Britain? While we're randomly naming off countries, why not Madagascar? How about Canada? Why don't we just do a complete comparison of the world's militaries just for kicks. Who really gives a hell how armies compare anyway - it's all speculation. Numbers mean virtually nil. Under certain circumstances, Brazil could cream Western Europe. Under other circumstances, China could get wasted by Taiwan while America falls to Mexican guerillas. Ludicrous? Welcome to the world of speculation... fun isn't it. |
you can speculate all you want, but numbers dont lie
i was just pointing out, in a war with a real country, and not some defensless innocent country, wed never win
Post by: thomes08 on July 14, 2004, 08:38:00 AM
I'm glad to hear you guys don't like TB. Is it a pretty safe bet that he won't get reelected? When is the reelection? Man if only it were before November, i'd LOVE to see your troops pull out before then. I'm glad to hear that your country has a little understanding of what many americans go through. Complete disgust for the person who runs the country.
I did hear about the protests you mentioned but i didn't read too far into it, or maybe i just didn't have a firsthand account of what it was like. Yeah we mentioned earlier in this thread that Bush doesn't go anywhere cause everyone hates americans and he's not welcome anywhere but in Tony Blairs office.
I agree 100000% that down the road this is going to be looked at as more of a disaster than we even think it will be. Every government we set up fails or turns against us. Iraq, Cuba, Israel are just a few examples. a TON of country could have ousted saddam and his followers, that wasn't the hard part. The real hard part is setting up a successful government. Iraq has shit for defense if we leave. So what does that mean, we're going to stay there forever. Our troops will probably be out of there in 4 years, leaving an unstable country that is divided without proper defense. CIVIL WAR. But again, Bush used might and isn't using brains to solve his problem, well it's everyone's problem now.
btw.... saying you've never lost an argument means you're either 3 years old, full of shit, or completely stubborn. Everybody has been proven wrong in an argument. Unless you're my mother then i was 15 and we were fighting about me mowing the lawn
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 14 2004, 10:49 AM) |
| well, i wasnt planning to post in this thread again, but enough people responded to what i said that i pretty much have to. ill quote just one of the posts, since 67thraptorbull covered pretty much what everyone else did. right....the numbers "WERE" dropping off. also, most of the people who are losing jobs are older people. and yes, i did say most, there are some people who do turn to the army, i realize that. but its not as many as you are making it out to be. so most of the people are ineligible for the army. and as far as this death bs, get over it. we have lost far, far fewer people in this war then any other. and aparantly you are not an american, because the army is not a bunch of uneducated people. in fact, you need to pass some sort of test that proves you are smart enough to be in the army. and besides that, how educated do you need to be to shoot a gun? and as far as the "oil" comment, don't make it sound like a fact. because its not. nobody knows for sure except for Bush if that was hit motives. its as much of an assumption as anything else. thats one of the most poor, bs arguements ive ever seen used in my life. and as far as that one person's comments about F16s....you are horribley uninformed. we don't use F16s. i think the lowest model we use now are the F18s, and i think they may be retired. "you lost all respect by using "we could have won vietnam" well, we could have lost the revolutionary war, now couldnt we?? but did we, no, so you cant be using what ifs or statements that arent backed, face up to it, no matter how macho you think this country is, we got our asses beat by a bunch of people running around in the jungle with older weapons, and very primitive booby traps" this just REALLY needs to stand out.....what does that have do do with anything? you can win or lose anything. and we could have won, if intel was better, we were better prepared, etc. nobody knew what the heck we were heading into. or why we were fighting. one of the main reasons we lost was because of teamwork - there was none. nobody wanted to befriend a person who might be killed a few weeks later. and the reason we were whooped, or another one at least, is because we were expecting all-out battle, and that was what the soldiers were trained for, not guerilla warfare. so who is using unbacked statements? you have been using them throughout this entire thing. show me from your high-up friends in the administration, show me some proof that this war was about oil. its as unbacked as me saying it isn't or you saying it is. theres no proof either way. however, circumstantial evidence points towards it being for security reasons, however flawed the intel was. and yes, its circumstantial evidence, so it isn't good evidence. but there you have it. someone else also mentioned the british not being well trained....yes they were. you are thinking of battlefield tactics today. with the tactics today, they would be bad. but you can't look at the revolutionary war and say it should have been like battles fought today. makes no sense whatsoever. and pitchforks was an exaggeration, a lame attempt at humor. if you cant figure that out, you are very pathetic. anyway, we had inferior guns compared to the british. and they didn't stand 50 yards away. geez, i can obviously tell you have been seeing too much hollywood. they did some of that, but not much. they charged eachother with bayonets and firing the guns, but the first stand would be made at a distance. perhaps they were standing far apart because being closer would lessen your chances for survival? no im sure everyone wanted to die. but anyway, lets get out of the past geez. "wow, how many times have i said ignorant, no one else could do it that fast, because no one else saw it deemed fit to kick the shit out of an already dead country, that presented no threat and had no links to the terrorists we were after, but i guess their all pussies for not doing that........." all you do is prove yourself ignorant, and lessen your credibility. if the only way you think you can be heard is to start flaming, you are a very pathetic person. but onto what you said ehere.....again, you are ignorant in assuming your presumptions are facts. please show me from your high-up sources, since apparantly you seem to have them, the proof that iraq had absolutely no links to terrorist groups whatsoever. i think we can see who the ignorant one is here. "vietnam (haha, thatd be a riot, get ur asses kicked again)" "the army can offer you a degree in college and a casket to put you in" "our army sucks, is nothing but a bunch of uneducated people, killing for the fun, and being killed for oil" "no one was better then the other" - ????? try reading a history book. geez. this really shows your ignorace. "why do you think they stood 50 yards away when they shot???" "normal countries arent like the US, they dont go off stiring up shit storms, and attacking a country that didnt do shit for oil and "to stop terrorism" ie, the US is the only fucked up country that would attack another country " - o really. no other country EVER goes to war with another. just the united states. you obviously do NOT know what you are talking about. "the only countries we've attacked in the last 50 years, and won, is iraq, afghanistan and iraq again" - try korea, we prevented communism from spreading to SK, which is what we wanted to do. lets see, 50 years ago would be 1954....hmm. i believe we defeated russia, although we never really attacked them. we did that by destorying there economy by causing them to spend more and more and more, just to keep up with us. so i dont think this "war-mongering united states" image is correct. weve kept out of a lot of possible wars. "GB, hell, even germany, and see what happens to this so called, "military might"." "but you bet your ass, china puts all there man in iraq, the war would be over in a week" "im sorry, what facts, the ones you pulled out of your ass???" - no the ones you pulled out of yours. as you can see, you used assumptions to back up what you assume are facts. bad way to back up your arguement. "you can speculate all you want, but numbers dont lie" - hmm, just like we killed more viet cong than existed? yeah, numbers NEVER lie, not in any occasion. just like intel processors have faster clock speed and numbers, but amd's of the same price beat them out in the gaming benchmarks. numbers will never lie to you. every figure you come across you should believe as it is. "i was just pointing out, in a war with a real country, and not some defensless --->innocent<--- country, --->wed never win<---" - if thats not a flat-out assumption, nothing is. wow, two in the same sentence. you are really on a roll. now who is using the whatifs and presumptions. those are all nothing but assumptions, and do nothing to back up facts. look, i can respect other people's opinions, and everyone's enititled to there own, but you really dont get anywhere with flaming and assumptions. take a chill pill. this is nothing to get mad about. and also...no america is not the greatest country. definitely not. that is why so many people want to immigrate into the united states, and why we are the most powerful capitalist country, and why our jobs pay so much, and why our standard of living is so high. its because we are some crap country who doesnt know what we are doing. thats why. while im at it: "Its just really hard to accept Bush when I know that my peers are on foriegn soil being killed everyday, over a war that was waged on false information, its sad that our president is the laughing stock of the world because for some reason he acts like a total country bumpin on televison, has the most God-awful hick accent in the world, his daughters are drunken whore-bags, and he has a drug scandal of his very own:) I would rather have Kerry, who cant keep a solid position, than Bush who can...but his position usually rests between bad and worse." someone is a little PREDJUDICED against southerners. hmmm....i think hes not the laughing stock of the world. in fact, i think people are afraid of him, because as he has proved, he will do what he says he will. thats why libya is cooperating with us now. thats why NK is making concessions. and proof of the drug scandal please, ive never heard of it. im not saying it didn't happen, but its not like no other president has ever had ANY kind of scandal.. and probably bush has been banging on the job, he just wasnt stupid enough to get caught.oh yes, and before i forget, as far as the WOMD, if you would have read carefully, i said we have found traces and nothing more. i did not say that was flat out hard evidence that he had some. the truck had a chemical factory that COULD have been used to make WOMD. the missiles COULD have been equipped with WOMD. and its not like there is no place to hide WOMD when he has so many allies to ship them too, and a vast desert to hide them in. im not saying that he 100% for sure had them, but it sounds just is dumb to say he did without a doubt have them as it does to say he did without a doubt not have them. jeez political threads get nasty fast no matter WHERE you go. and so you know....ive never lost an arguement. i have conceded on a few points, but ive never lost. usually people get tired of it before i do and stop. but no one has ever torn me down so that i am forced to admit it the other way, and i am proud of that record. of course, i have actually won them, and not had the other people lose interest. jfyi. i suppose people like it when i dont have to flame people to make a point, and do everything in my power to make someone look dumb and stick a bunch of crap names that do nothing except make me look dumb because thats all the backbone i have to my arguement. maybe you should take that advice, and more people would start taking you seriously. |
first off, i am american, i live in america, and i know how this country sucks
second, since everything ive said im standing behind, i dont feel like posting along response, basically ill make it plain and simple
The US sucks, it cant kick the shit out of whoever it wants, we would lose againt any other big nation, no matter what you think
you must ovbiously not know what your talking about when you think F-16's are retired and not used..........they definatly still use them......., and no matter what, a mig is going to beat a f-16 or f-18 of F 1/a hornet, as its a hell of a lot faster, its just the pilot thats piloting the mig might not be able to, but it still shows, we dont have the best technology
also, my point was, the US would get its ass beat, its not the strongest military nation, and our army is full of retards that all they want to do is kill people, if you dont believe me, join up and see
basically, stop trying to talk like you know what your talking about and like the US is aswome and the most powerful
we got our asses kicked in vietnam because we werent supposed to be there, just like iraq, and im sure we might have one if we killed every single person living in vietnam (just like iraq), but thats not winning anything now is it?
what cracks me up though is taking all my statments, putting them in a column and calling me ignorant?
the truth isnt ignorant, only to the average american who thinks we rule everyone
| QUOTE |
| i believe we defeated russia |
my point exactly, if your using the cold war as a victory for a war, thats very very sad
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 14 2004, 10:49 AM) |
| and so you know....ive never lost an arguement. i have conceded on a few points, but ive never lost. usually people get tired of it before i do and stop. but no one has ever torn me down so that i am forced to admit it the other way, and i am proud of that record. of course, i have actually won them, and not had the other people lose interest. jfyi. i suppose people like it when i dont have to flame people to make a point, and do everything in my power to make someone look dumb and stick a bunch of crap names that do nothing except make me look dumb because thats all the backbone i have to my arguement. |
wait, what are you trying to say?
your 13 and dont have a grasp on anything
o thats right, we dont use f-16's anymore
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 10:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 14 2004, 10:49 AM) |
| im not saying that he 100% for sure had them, but it sounds just is dumb to say he did without a doubt have them as it does to say he did without a doubt not have them. |
wha the hell are you trying to say?
if you want proof he didnt have them, watch the news, unless a scroll just popped up saying we found WMD's
its easy for the left side to say he didnt have them, as we havnt found them, its hard for the right to say he did have them when they havnt found them though
Post by: The unProfessional on July 14, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
1) Spend your time trying to make a difference instead of jumping down the throat of every other american on the forum (you post 7+ times a day).
2) Move
Thomes: I think you may've misunderstood a section of my post. I said I work my ass off, but never implied I'm the only one. I was making a point to catcha that many of us work hard... as you've proven you have as well.
Catcha: you're right, I don't know everything about current english politics, just as you don't understand the state of american politics. Bush is a hated figure as well.
Did you guys hear that Michael Reagan will be voting democrat? Interesting.
Raptorbull, numbers don't lie, but they do mislead. A devoted, entrenched group of guerillas can defeat scores of trained soldiers. Vietnam, anyone? I haven't seen anyone say America can defeat any country on the planet hands down. I sure didn't. Let it go, please. A war between america and china would result in the mutual loss of millions of lives and would most likely end in a stalemate of slaughter. And we know the war on terror is bull shit.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 11:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Jul 14 2004, 01:25 PM) |
| A devoted, entrenched group of guerillas can defeat scores of trained soldiers. Vietnam, anyone? I haven't seen anyone say America can defeat any country on the planet hands down. I sure didn't. Let it go, please. A war between america and china would result in the mutual loss of millions of lives and would most likely end in a stalemate of slaughter. And we know the war on terror is bull shit. |
thats what i was saying, ive been referring to vietnam.............
and he sure in hell was implying american could beat anyone, re-read his long and useless posts......
Post by: The unProfessional on July 14, 2004, 11:38:00 AM
In the end, we're responsible for our own fate. If I could vote bush out of office without voting kerry in, I'd be much more at ease.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Jul 14 2004, 02:38 PM) |
| We've all seen america fail. We're only human. Our biggest mistakes are in our clouded judgements, not our combat skills. Vietnam was about poor judgement... just as Iraq is. In the end, we're responsible for our own fate. If I could vote bush out of office without voting kerry in, I'd be much more at ease. |
yes, that i agree with
kerry isnt bad, hes just undecided, but i feel now that he has a running mate, and a damn good one for that matter, hell start making the imporant decisions
shit, i dont even think bush can make any kind of decision on his own, let alone talk coherently
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jul 14 2004, 08:16 PM) |
| I'm xFusioNx and I approve this message.... Oh my god I have to agree with you This thread is now utterly useless. We have one guy who hates Americans cuz he ran into some lazy ass union fuckers, one kid who cant even watch a PG-13 movie legally arguing that he has never lost an argument and another guy who just plain hates Americans. Then there is Raptor who hates America, me who dislikes our president and hates being called lazy and being clumped in with the general populace, the uNproessional who hops sides like Kerry, but means well and thomes08 who just wants to know why you hate us. This thread is about how Bush fucked up our country and the worlds view of us as Americans. I don't give a shit about anything else in this thread unless it involves that. Hopefully everyone else will do the same. |
hey hey, i dont hate america in general, i hate whats its become becuase of George Bush
there, i contributed to the actual thread
Post by: xFusioNx on July 14, 2004, 05:41:00 PM
I know, I'm just being broad.
Thanks for contributing to the actual thread!
Post by: thomes08 on July 14, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: The unProfessional on July 14, 2004, 07:07:00 PM
Just because I don't have a clearly liberal/conservative opinion on a particular issue just makes me an independent thinker, not John pussy-ass Kerry or George numb-nuts Bush.
Post by: melon on July 15, 2004, 01:47:00 AM
Were just bitchin between ourselves over moot points.
This is the last I will post in this thread so to sum up Bush did fail. Afghanastan is fucked, Iraq is turning into another Vietnam,your economy is going to shit and Bush has managed to make America more hated around the world. But dont worry because whatever happens to America, Britain follows closely behind with Tony Blair's tongue planted firmly up Bush's arse.
Post by: bluedeath on July 15, 2004, 08:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (melon @ Jul 15 2004, 10:47 AM) |
| your economy is going to shit |
It really is our economy. If you think that the US economy can go down like the titanic and not take everyone with it you are sadly mistaken.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 15, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 15 2004, 11:49 AM) |
| It really is our economy. If you think that the US economy can go down like the titanic and not take everyone with it you are sadly mistaken. |
no, hes right
if the US goes down, the only thing other nations would miss is the constant cowboy like army attacking everyone, and the huge ass deficit were creating
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 15, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (melon @ Jul 15 2004, 10:47 AM) |
| Forget Bush failed, this thread has totally. At the moment we have 5 people on one side of the argument but were screwed because were up against the indomitable force of Dark Link, we cant win!!! Were just bitchin between ourselves over moot points. This is the last I will post in this thread so to sum up Bush did fail. Afghanastan is fucked, Iraq is turning into another Vietnam,your economy is going to shit and Bush has managed to make America more hated around the world. But dont worry because whatever happens to America, Britain follows closely behind with Tony Blair's tongue planted firmly up Bush's arse. |
ummm....actually the economy is getting better...
albiet slowly, but it is getting better.
hehe, i wouldn't say "indomitable force" but ill take it as a compliment, whether you meant it that way or not.
i mean, really, im not trying to convince anyone to change their mind, just state my view of things....sorry if ive been sounding mean, been really crabby lately because something has screwed up my sleep and i cant figure out what it is. if i can get to sleep before 2 am, im lucky. and since i have to get up at 6:50 am for work, welll....so i apologize if i offended you. i do tend to get pretty arrogant. but come on, at least admit i had some good points!!!
o yeah and i did remember one time i lost a forum arguement....i got tired of the whole thing and stopped posting. there was actually someone more persistent than me!!!!
Iraq....things are actually going good. more people have electricity, water, education, from a humanitarian standpoint, things are going great. Security is definitely a problem however. Afghanistan....I can't really see where things are horrible there. We should be looking harder for Osama, i mean, if we can find Sadaam in a hole in the desert, we should be able to find Osama...but they DO have a democracy there now, so it is successful. let me state my actual viewpoint on the whole thing:
If we knew what we know now before Iraq, there was no reason to go to war. In fact, we shouldn't have. But the CIA exaggerated the info, and the Bush administration acted on that. I don't really know if Bush knew the information was flawed or not, but I assume he didn't. We were right in the middle of the Afghan war, and he knew another war would not go over very well, I mean, thats just commone sense. The war was needed on humanitarian grounds, not security reasons, and the Bush administration needs to admit this and say they were wrong. I think this will go over better with the people of the US then insisting Sadaam was a dangerous foe.
And you had better hope our economy doesn't go to "shit" because if it does, we pull the rest of the world down with us. Even in the 1920's when we did not have as much of a global economy as we do now, the entire planet felt the effects of the Great Depression. Since its on a much larger scale, it would effect everyone else a lot more.
"You have probably not won a single argument.
As a 13 yearold or a 40 year old with a 13 year old brain you have yet to learn/understand that people quickly realise that unintelligent diC8heads have no effect on world politics and usually either develop brain cells once they find thier first woman and realise they are dickhea*ds or they inject shite into thier lonely elbows and disapear."
and my, my arnt we nasty here. i have never actually lost a forum arguement, save one which i mentioned above, but ive only been in about 15 or so. and like i said, they end up dying out. I never said I won every single arguement. I only won about 2 of those. And im 17. I don't know where you got the 13 idea. And apparantly you are as stupid as you sound, even if I WAS 13, i could watch a PG-13 movie. As it is, pretty much I don't watch movies. I game. Im a gamer. A geek. Put it however you want. Beating the Quake III master at a LAN party is my idea of excitement. I'm actually a pretty boring person.
And to the people who "Im and american and not proud of it"
MOVE THEN! if you hate our country so much and think the economy is so bad and it would be so much better then anything else, the MOVE somewhere better.
you are the lowest fithly piece of slime to ever crawl the planet. okay sorry, i ddint really mean that seriously, but come on. if you are going to complain about how bad it is, the least you can do is make things "better" for yourself.
oh and before i forget, i think its the suicide car bombers that are killing civilians. not the Americans. just thought id remind you.
there is probably more that i havn't read, but im too lazy to read the rest of the posts on the other pages, and im gonna go paint my pc case now. gonna be an awesome mod job, 4 consoles + pc, thee 4 are a GCN, a NES, an N64, and an XBOX. all in a midtower case. and everything fits, which i wasnt sure i could do. and with room to spare, and i have fans that move 106 cfm, so theres plenty of air flow and little overheating issues. thought id say that since i know someone is going to mention something about heat.
wow i get off topic easy.
and i want to hand it to you, you guys are a lot better at flaming and arugeing both tehn the other forums i used to go to. this is much more interesting. so the drinks are on me.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 15, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 15 2004, 03:38 PM) |
| ummm....actually the economy is getting better... albiet slowly, but it is getting better. hehe, i wouldn't say "indomitable force" but ill take it as a compliment, whether you meant it that way or not. i mean, really, im not trying to convince anyone to change their mind, just state my view of things....sorry if ive been sounding mean, been really crabby lately because something has screwed up my sleep and i cant figure out what it is. if i can get to sleep before 2 am, im lucky. and since i have to get up at 6:50 am for work, welll....so i apologize if i offended you. i do tend to get pretty arrogant. but come on, at least admit i had some good points!!! o yeah and i did remember one time i lost a forum arguement....i got tired of the whole thing and stopped posting. there was actually someone more persistent than me!!!! Iraq....things are actually going good. more people have electricity, water, education, from a humanitarian standpoint, things are going great. Security is definitely a problem however. Afghanistan....I can't really see where things are horrible there. We should be looking harder for Osama, i mean, if we can find Sadaam in a hole in the desert, we should be able to find Osama...but they DO have a democracy there now, so it is successful. let me state my actual viewpoint on the whole thing: If we knew what we know now before Iraq, there was no reason to go to war. In fact, we shouldn't have. But the CIA exaggerated the info, and the Bush administration acted on that. I don't really know if Bush knew the information was flawed or not, but I assume he didn't. We were right in the middle of the Afghan war, and he knew another war would not go over very well, I mean, thats just commone sense. The war was needed on humanitarian grounds, not security reasons, and the Bush administration needs to admit this and say they were wrong. I think this will go over better with the people of the US then insisting Sadaam was a dangerous foe. And you had better hope our economy doesn't go to "shit" because if it does, we pull the rest of the world down with us. Even in the 1920's when we did not have as much of a global economy as we do now, the entire planet felt the effects of the Great Depression. Since its on a much larger scale, it would effect everyone else a lot more. "You have probably not won a single argument. As a 13 yearold or a 40 year old with a 13 year old brain you have yet to learn/understand that people quickly realise that unintelligent diC8heads have no effect on world politics and usually either develop brain cells once they find thier first woman and realise they are dickhea*ds or they inject shite into thier lonely elbows and disapear." and my, my arnt we nasty here. i have never actually lost a forum arguement, save one which i mentioned above, but ive only been in about 15 or so. and like i said, they end up dying out. I never said I won every single arguement. I only won about 2 of those. And im 17. I don't know where you got the 13 idea. And apparantly you are as stupid as you sound, even if I WAS 13, i could watch a PG-13 movie. As it is, pretty much I don't watch movies. I game. Im a gamer. A geek. Put it however you want. Beating the Quake III master at a LAN party is my idea of excitement. I'm actually a pretty boring person. And to the people who "Im and american and not proud of it" MOVE THEN! if you hate our country so much and think the economy is so bad and it would be so much better then anything else, the MOVE somewhere better. you are the lowest fithly piece of slime to ever crawl the planet. okay sorry, i ddint really mean that seriously, but come on. if you are going to complain about how bad it is, the least you can do is make things "better" for yourself. oh and before i forget, i think its the suicide car bombers that are killing civilians. not the Americans. just thought id remind you. there is probably more that i havn't read, but im too lazy to read the rest of the posts on the other pages, and im gonna go paint my pc case now. gonna be an awesome mod job, 4 consoles + pc, thee 4 are a GCN, a NES, an N64, and an XBOX. all in a midtower case. and everything fits, which i wasnt sure i could do. and with room to spare, and i have fans that move 106 cfm, so theres plenty of air flow and little overheating issues. thought id say that since i know someone is going to mention something about heat. wow i get off topic easy. and i want to hand it to you, you guys are a lot better at flaming and arugeing both tehn the other forums i used to go to. this is much more interesting. so the drinks are on me. |
thats a pretty good post for the most part but
you cant really move if your country is turning to shit because of the leader, that just means your a pussy, but what you can do is complain, get other people to think like you and then protest, vote, and do whatever you can to turn that government around
also, the world, iraq and the economy isnt doing as good as you think, i havnt seen any of it turn around yet.....
Post by: gronne on July 15, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
UnPro: For a starter, there are different kinds of pride. It's an unmoral pride to agree with the war on Iraq(in my very strong opinion). But if your country dares to stand against when superpower's like USA do something wrong you could probably feel some real pride.
I'm by no means proud that Sweden has been a superpower. Because the way you become a superpower is through pure slaughter, Sweden was no exception. From my POV 200 years of peace isn't even much, if I said 5000 years I'd probably be proud. In USA you seem proud that you HAVE a war about each decade. Eventhough USA don't always fight in wars(which it feels like though) you do slauhter people in Africa by not aiding them. Sure Europe don't aid them that much either but we don't rip them off the way USA do.
Pride is also cultural. In Sweden we never speak of pride. You don't hear people here say "Oh, I'm soooo proud of you, son". And I'm glad of that since it's exploited in USA.
What I instead could be proud of is that UNDP came with its annual Human development report claiming Norway to be the best and Sweden to be the second best country to live in. USA was nr.8 . Sweden and Norway are some of the most socialistic countries in the world. I'm not sure but aren't all countries before USA socialistic(in some way)? The only countries except Sweden I might consider living in is Norway and the Netherlands, and probably Canada. (Australia is too hot for me.)
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. USA
9. Japan
10. Irland
You see these stuffs there is a reason to be proud of, but we can be a lot more socialistic before I would say I'm proud. The only reason USA is as high as nr.8 is because you exploit other countries like Iraq. The attack on Vietnam made you very rich. If you became socialistic you'd (eventually) be higher on this list, because you're then a good country, and there'd be no more stupid capitalistic wars.
Please tell me how wrong I am and explain in your better words why the two nordic countries, Sweden and Norway is on top of the list and not you.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 15, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
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Eventhough USA don't always fight in wars(which it feels like though) you do slauhter people in Africa by not aiding them. Sure Europe don't aid them that much either but we don't rip them off the way USA do. |
gave me a good chuckle.
Post by: thomes08 on July 15, 2004, 05:01:00 PM
thomes08
Post by: gronne on July 15, 2004, 07:21:00 PM
UnPro: Yeah I know what you mean, Europe (strangely enough) isn't that much better. I think Europe should set an example and cut their debts(not that easy of course). I would be even more glad if USA started cutting some of the debts, but it seems a bit more unrealistic.
We are too dependant on your economy, I think that's one of the reasons we don't help african countries.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 15, 2004, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 16, 2004, 07:42:00 AM
did you know there people out there that think the planes that hit TWC and the pentagon had no people on them, and that the terrorists stuck every passsenger from all four planes on the plane that crashed in the field
pretty fucked up eh?
Post by: thomes08 on July 16, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
thomes08
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on July 23, 2004, 03:03:00 AM
Post by: ahhh on July 23, 2004, 05:45:00 PM
Al-Qaeda, we're bringing them freedom and democracy. We're doing good work,
we're rebuilding their country, the war was a good thing, look at all the
freedom and democracy. The Abu-Ghraib wasn't so bad, Saddam did the same thing,
see we're not so bad.
And since when are they being allowed to choose their leader. Isn't the US appointing one for them?
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 23, 2004, 07:13:00 PM
heres my two cents
3 kinds of people on this forums, liberals, neutrals, and conservatives (well think of your own good title if you are so creative)
1. Conservatives are a bunch of stupid hippocrytes blind to the truth. The war is screwed, the economy is screwed, bush did everything wrong, america is crap, the world is more dangerous, america is going down the porclain pisshole. all americans are evil, and want to torture prisoners. colin powell and dick cheney should resign because they were tortuing prisoners. bush is an idiot hick texan moron who stole the election and isnt really our president and screws around every weekend on his ranch fishing instead of taking care of the country. he spends too much has no idea what the hell hes doing, and should die. let gays have what they want, they are people too. bush split the united states and because of him we all hate eachother. Changing one's mind isn't a bad thing, in the face of a mistake. Why is that such a sin? This war is not to be supported, as iraq has nothing to do with our security, no matter wjat magical tale you beleive in, but you should feel sorry that innocent men are dying because George Bush has his head up his ass. also, moores film was good, you just dont like it because it shows bush at his dumbest (yes, i know its biased towards this administration, thats why i like it) clinton's 30 minute affair screwing in office with monica had no effect on him and was totally unrealated to his presidency impeach Bush for lying to america anout many issues, for putting fear into americans, and for being completely incompetant. The president attacked us with lies to put fear into our homes. Then he sends our children to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. as the Commander In Chief, you cant just send those people off to die for lies and oil. he clearly lied to us, if not, wheres the WMD's show me some proof WMD's exsisted in Iraq.....o wait, you cant cuase they never did Bush FUCKED up beyond all belief. If you honestly don't think he did, then you are a lemming. You are that person who watches the nightly news and believes every single thing you see.
2. Okay, some of what the both parties say is right. The war has had some success, but there is a lot that needs improved. We really shouldnt have gone to war, but with the intel we had beforehand, i suppose i would have made the same decision. The economy isnt 100% pure gold success, but it is improving, but too slowly. Bush is not completely evil, he doesnt want americans to die for oil, but for gods sake, stop insisting you were right about womd, reasons for going to war, etc. And he has made plenty of mistakes. Kerry is not God, Bush is not the Devil. Some of bush's plans would screw america, and some of kerry's plans would screw america.
3. Liberals are evil, they are a bunch of pessimists who refuse to see the good side of things. All they can preach is hate, hate, hate. Sadaam was a massive threat to the united states, and would have blown us up with his nukes. The economy is improving 100%. Kerry is a complete moron totally unfit to be commander in chief. Bush is God, you should always support your president in a time of war, maybe not fully but just a little. kerry is a total flip-flopper who cant even decide what to wear in the morning. kerry sucks ass.... bush kicks ass. kerry is destined to destroy america. morale is at an alltime low. homosexual marriage will destory the nation. liberals can just shouve it up Clintons ass you cant just come out and attack the president republicans are never mean to democrats is always the democrats flaming the republicans wow see what would happen if the Democrats or Liberals took over the gov't
they cant even debate without trying to put down the other party
its not about the oil
dont you think we would have taken the oil when we were in Iraq?
and what lies are you talking about??? and he is not taking oil, we know that for a fact. You guys are a bunch a f*cking liberals, bush did nothing wrong. If f*cking gore would of won we might of been blown up casue all you dumb liberals dont like war. Kerry sucks the big one.
lol, that was fun, towards the end it was all copy and paste. oh, and special thanks to 67th raptorbull and iwinulose for the great stuff in 1 and 3, they had the best,
colonel31 - "oh - what else did he do?"
hmm, read up on liberal fundraising during the clinton years. read up on how much time he logged in on air force one, read up on how he looted the white house and airforce one when he left, read up on how kindly he let a ton of criminals go back into society, (okay, every president does this, but clinton sure released a lot...)
oh and i found this - "Kerry a few years ago was republican "
hes the number one liberal in the senate. boy are you screwed up.
nfs911 - SHUT UP. you obviously know nothing about politics, and even me being halfway between 2 and 3 there, i only had to read 1 of your posts to hate you. you are a complete idiotic moron who refuses to realize hes a stupid 12 year old spewing up everything hes been told by his mommy. stop posting your idiotic propaganda. you are hurting your cause by showing us you are a stupid moron, and that there are people who go beyond the idiotic far right. one thing i agree with raptor on - its one thing to be a dumb republican (unlike him, i know there are idiotic liberals too), but completely another to be a dumb immature bashing republican who bases stuff on his own little fantasy world he lives in (i assume this is what raptor meant, he said base on facts) is completely another. if you cant be reasonable and can only preach democrat hate, then leave, because no one wants to hear it. and this is from someone who is partially on your own side. so shut up. your a stupid 12 year old who still plays with pokemon and needs to get off his mother's tit. oh no! i insulted you! how horrible. maybe your mommy should give you a kiss to make you feel better. get out of your diapers and into the real world. everyone can tell you are a total ass.
^^^wow that was my first flaming post here....well not flaming really since it was true...
Post by: melon on July 24, 2004, 02:41:00 AM
Sorry Dark Link I dont want you to take this personel but that last post was a load of rubbish.
For starters Iraq is in a shit state. It is worse than ehrn Saddam was in power. Baghdad doesnt even have constant water, electricity, or telephones. It had this before the war. You get your information from the news. Try look at Al Jazzera sometimes (for a different perspective), my information comes from people in Baghdad itself.
Iraqi people do not have freedom. Iraq has attracted extremists from all over the middle east and there groups are controlling the country. In Baghdad people are scared to go out at night for fear of being killed or the women raped. Even in the day people do not venture far. It was not like this before.
America doesnt care, they are happy to let all the extremists fight US soldiers in Iraq instead of them trying to get to America. If you say that is fair enough, that it a total disregard for the Iraqi people who arenot fanatical muslims. It also highlights most Americans belief that anybody who is not American is a 2nd class human and therefore there life is a lot less important.
You say your soldiers got courtmarshalled, but it has been proven very high ranking officers knew what was going on and turned a blnd eye. Soldiers only got courtmarshalled when the public found out.
Saddam had NO links to terrorist groups. This has been stated by both our intelligence agencies so why do poeple still claim he does?
You also cant make assumptions based on your logic!
I dont think anybody quite realises the power America wields within the UN. Your the only country that doesnt even bother to pay your annual subscription. The US owes millions and millions.
I hate this Humanitarian argument. What about what is happening in Zimbabwe? Or in Iran, Saudi Arabia or the Congo? All these places have worse Humanitarian records than Iraq. It makes you ask what is so special about this country?
For starters it was easier for Bush to create reasons to go to war. They had WMD's we both, along with many other european countries sold them to Iraq, so we definetly know they had them. They also had copious amounts of oil to be exploited.
Lastly the American people still remembering the first Gulf war knew of Saddam it would have been easier to sell this war to the public than say a war in Zimbabwe against Mugabea who you probably havnt heard of.
I dont mean this as a flame towards you and your 3 types of people were quite funny. You actually did quite a good argument for a liberal. You have to admit though the lefties tend to use more fact. Im not saying all you republicans dont, obviously you do, but there are a couple of the more regular posters who argue based on emotion and facts they got from www.bushisthegreatest.com these people tend to spoil for the rest of you.
There are lefties who do the same, Ive done it at some point, although i try not to.
Post by: Frag_Happy on July 25, 2004, 11:55:00 PM
bush =
Post by: gcskate27 on July 26, 2004, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: melon on July 26, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
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| i still, however, say that the circumstantial evidence would say he did, but circumstantial evidence is not hard proof. but with the intel we had before 9/11, however flawed, anyone would have acted as we did if they thought it was accurate |
The intelligence was a joke, you need to not belive all what you see on the news.
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| are you proposing we spread our troops even further out? are you suggesting bush makes another war? im sure that would go over well with everyone!! tongue.gif |
I wasnt saying that. My point was you can not argue the war is just on humaniterium grounds because there are countries in much more dire situations, such as Zimbabwe.
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| i still dont think we can have any hard evidence |
We do have hard evidence. I have already posted in another older thread the proof.
Post by: AkumAPRIME on July 28, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
anyway dark link you should check yoruself
ehb
Post by: Mick Garvey on July 29, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
Why the Iraq War Was Legal...
UN resolutions on iraq
Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolution
Attorney General Advised Blair war was legal
(Age Australia: Yes, This War Is Legal)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #678)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #687)
(United Nations Charter Article 51)
(United Nations Charter Chapter VII)
(WFB's Latest: Should We Have Gone to War?)
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on August 13, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
but i will say this mick
those documents dont mean shit when the rest of the world didnt support our decisions
are republicans that hypocritical?
one minute there going against the UN, and doing what every other nation doesnt want them to do
the next minute there using documents and legislations the UN agreed on to sheild themselves
fucking retards
Post by: Aerok on August 15, 2004, 10:45:00 PM
I'm canadian so I can't really change anything, I only wished Al Gore wouldve been the one leading the Democratic party.
Post by: BlackAdam on August 15, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
Don't fall into the trap, Democrats are full of crap.
Post by: Exige_ on August 16, 2004, 11:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Jul 5 2004, 11:06 PM) |
| It's well printed he changed his mind. Kerry changed his mind on parts of the Patriotic Act and the War in Iraq... so did I, so did most Americans and the world as we learned more. Read the two official websites and decide who you think has a clearer vision for the country. The worst thing you can do is not vote !! Edit: hercules.. if you don't think the president did his job. Fire Him. Its what happens in the real world. |
blah blah he's not even in office, do you realize? bush has made many mistakes and being in office is where it counts.
Post by: chilin_dude on September 02, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hercules Q Einstein @ Jul 6 2004, 12:58 AM) |
| I hate all this arguing over wether he is a good president or not. The fact is he failed completly at the presidents 1st job; uniting america, thats a fact. The country has never been more split since the civil war, and its only getting worse. I want him out of office for the pure fact of re-uniting the US. Unfortantly as much as i hate bush, atleast he has a stance on something wich is more than i can say for Kerry. I guess i wont vote this year. (Yes i know it was stupid to say i hate arguing then start a topic that will start more arguments) |
Thats a VERY outlandish statement...
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| Bush Failed |
That should be failied in your opinion right? Because who decides whether he failed or not? In my opinon he succeded... But in what? Proving that he understands there are some neccesery evils in the world and this was one of them..
Kind Regards
Chilin_dude
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Title: Face It Bush Failed
Post by: thomes08 on September 02, 2004, 05:08:00 PM
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Kind Regards
Chilin_dude
Post by: thomes08 on September 02, 2004, 05:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Sep 3 2004, 12:48 AM) |
| hehe, im in agreement with you chillin dude, besides the fact that uniting America is NOT the presidents job, much less his number 1 job, i dont think it was Bush that is going out and forcing people to believe two different things. its more the liberals. they are the ones trying to separate Iraq from the war on terror, they are the ones screaming that that bush is doing everything wrong and only they have the answer, they are the ones who want to legalize murder (abortion) they are the ones that want to legalize gay marriage, both those last 2 are NOT favorable in the majority view the democrats have the three most unpopular views: 1. Higher Taxes 2. Pro-Abortion 3. Pro-Gay-Marriage while they may be popular among some people, they are NOT among the majority. |
.... but yet you praise bush for doing unpopular things.
you're "3 most unpopular views" could be changed around according to what you believe
the republicans have the 3 most unpopular views.
1.) They don't like programs that help people and want us to further our debt at a faster rate.
2.) They are anti-choice
3.) They don't belive in equal rights
see, you can change anything around when looking at it from another point of view. You can't just say what you think and say it as fact
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on September 02, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
If you eat meat, are you not anti-life?
thomes08
Post by: thomes08 on September 02, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
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| see, you can change anything around when looking at it from another point of view. You can't just say what you think and say it as fact point |
point by changing what i said around when i don't think that way.
it can be done with anything my only point is you can't say "the dems have the three most unpopular viewpoints" when that's obviously not the case. If that were the case we'd all be republican, and we'd all be christian. That's obviously not the case
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Title: Face It Bush Failed
Post by: gronne on September 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
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What scares me the most, except from all the pain USA have delivered to the rest of the world for several years now, is the fact that the americans support it. I'm almost certain you will re-elect Bush. If he wins, it'll be a tragic day for democracy. It would show that you can get brainwashed in a democracy, and then destroy it's purpose. When the world is crying out for a change, you choose to make it worse.
No president has ever been as hated as Bush, by any means. Except from one place, where they elect him.
Iraq hates USA, yet you keep "helping" them. He's failed in just about every decision he's made. More people are unemployed in USA. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing. Yet, you keep supporting Bush.
Seriously, what do you like in the guy? His christianity? His stupid looks? His "intelligent" speeches? He's a JOKE. And you're a tragic person if you support this racist. If there was a hell, he'd be parading in the front with Hitler.
If I was a christian I'd be ashamed to share the same religion with him. His values are not christian... Thou shall not kill??? Thou shall not steal??? The guy kills like crazy. And he steals from the poor and gives to the rich.
I don't like Kerry at all, but I'd choose him by any lenghts, because he CAN'T make PEOPLE suffer more than Bush has. He's a psychopath, seriously, several psychologists say his actions indicate he's a psychopath. He mention God in all of his most important speeches. He probably thinks he's a prophet.
Please USA: End this tragedy when you have the chance.
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Title: Face It Bush Failed
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on September 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
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it can be done with anything my only point is you can't say "the dems have the three most unpopular viewpoints" when that's obviously not the case. If that were the case we'd all be republican, and we'd all be christian. That's obviously not the case
thomes08
Post by: gronne on September 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
No president has ever been as hated as Bush, by any means. Except from one place, where they elect him.
Iraq hates USA, yet you keep "helping" them. He's failed in just about every decision he's made. More people are unemployed in USA. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing. Yet, you keep supporting Bush.
Seriously, what do you like in the guy? His christianity? His stupid looks? His "intelligent" speeches? He's a JOKE. And you're a tragic person if you support this racist. If there was a hell, he'd be parading in the front with Hitler.
If I was a christian I'd be ashamed to share the same religion with him. His values are not christian... Thou shall not kill??? Thou shall not steal??? The guy kills like crazy. And he steals from the poor and gives to the rich.
I don't like Kerry at all, but I'd choose him by any lenghts, because he CAN'T make PEOPLE suffer more than Bush has. He's a psychopath, seriously, several psychologists say his actions indicate he's a psychopath. He mention God in all of his most important speeches. He probably thinks he's a prophet.
Please USA: End this tragedy when you have the chance.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on September 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Sep 3 2004, 12:48 AM) |
| hehe, im in agreement with you chillin dude, besides the fact that uniting America is NOT the presidents job, much less his number 1 job, i dont think it was Bush that is going out and forcing people to believe two different things. |
Well if its not the presidents job to unite america than who will???
Bush even siad he would unite america when he became president, and i meant (re)uniting america is the first job of the newly elected president not the most important (although if he cant even get americans to get along than how can we expect any real progress?).
Post by: thomes08 on September 03, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
there is a large majority of old people who are not getting the healthcare they need and deserve. They are not getting the help they should from the government because we don't tax the rich enough. They can't work to make their money, and SS isn't enough if you have a lot of medical expenses. Then again they seem to be more likely to become brainwashed by TERRORISM, then again they're thinking straight due to lack of food or medication
thomes08
Post by: Boba_Fett on September 06, 2004, 11:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Sep 3 2004, 07:15 PM) |
| Exactly. It is that motherfuckers job. He is elected by the majority to represent America as our President. He is to be the embodiment of the American people who elected him. Bush is far from it. Actually I take that back. Bush IS the embodiment of those who voted for him. I'd say the majority of people who voted, but those people voted for Al Gore. Anyhow. Bush is what all of the people who voted for him are. Hill Billy, conservative, racist, biggots who hate anything and everything new. The rest of the people who voted for Bush are money grubbing versions of the above. Greed drives the Bush family and friends. They are family friends with the Saui Arabians for fucks sake. Not to mention his foreign policy where he doesnt give two shits about any other country at all. That's the typical backwater town American voice. "Fuck those towel heads." or "Send those negros back to Africa where they belong" and "Just nuke those SOBs" That's the typical red neck response and that's exactly how Bush acts. As I see it, Bush is a red-neck yokel and is a poor representative of what America should be. Unfortunately so many elderly people in America are so fucking scared shitless now of TERRORISM that they will vote for Bush because they think he is a hardass now because of Iraq. Well, that's why old people should be allowed to vote. Should someone who cant even drive a car correctly anymore be able to vote on who runs this country? Nope. |
Quite honestly, I think if I had no other reason to vote for Bush, I'd vote for him just for you xFusioNx. It would be so worth it to see you rack your brain on how one of many religous right wing nut jobs would ever vote in the holy crusading dumbass GWB. Just to imagine your mental anguish and strife is all the motivation I need to punch my ballot in November to send the world straight to hell (well, if there is a hell, right?).
I find myself sometimes thinking about how people such as Mr. xFusioNx can sleep at night with a head so chock full of ignorance, but then I just throw the thought away, as to contemplate such would probably give me an aneurism. I try not to hate, but mearly viewing these boards sometimes does more than make my blood boil...
Post by: The unProfessional on September 06, 2004, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on September 07, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 7 2004, 07:43 AM) |
| That's is really some over-the-top shit, Fuzion. Michael Moore's word isn't gospel, either, btw. No more than Bush's. |
Michael Moore does bring up many points that are true in his film. But not everything is true in his film.
Ironically, I think Moore is probably the best thing to Kerry's Campagain. A lot of people are pissed off at Bush after watching that film. Moore said that the Democrats has no backbone and basically rally behind Bush for better or for worse. After the speeches from those 'Angry' Repugs last week, Kerry went on the offensive against bush under Clinton's advice.
The news channels start airing Kerry's offensive message now. And Moore's film will be in DVD in 10/5. Right now, we will have to see if Kerry's tactic will beat Bush this November.
Post by: The unProfessional on September 07, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
You also have to understand today's situation for the elderly. Decent health care is a luxury, elders are treated badly in public, etc. It's not exactly easy to be old. I'm sure when you're old you'll just want to be left alone... change is a bad thing when you're in your 11th hour.
Well call me crazy, but on the issue of casino ships on the bay, they have a bit of a point. Less all the racism, of course. Casinos are highly researched phenomena, and it's no secret that areas with ample gambling are also high in crime. Money tends to bring the worst out of people... especially when mixed with various drugs.
Post by: bluedeath on September 07, 2004, 03:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (The unProfessional @ Sep 7 2004, 10:54 PM) |
| It's unfortunate, but the generations preceeding us are commonly racist. Luckily, most of them are quiet about it. It should improve with time. I see the most harmful forms of racism coming from the younger generations. They're outspoken about it... often violent... and it's an "I hate everyone else" system. Most old folks have their group. They saw things change right before their eyes. They saw a different type of immigration than you and I are seeing now. I rarely see an old dude spreading hatred, though. My grandparents had their hostilities towards particular groups... but they never passed it on. You also have to understand today's situation for the elderly. Decent health care is a luxury, elders are treated badly in public, etc. It's not exactly easy to be old. I'm sure when you're old you'll just want to be left alone... change is a bad thing when you're in your 11th hour. Well call me crazy, but on the issue of casino ships on the bay, they have a bit of a point. Less all the racism, of course. Casinos are highly researched phenomena, and it's no secret that areas with ample gambling are also high in crime. Money tends to bring the worst out of people... especially when mixed with various drugs. |
The old folks don't spread racism? Oh please. Check out multiple exclusive golf tournaments held on Hilton Head Island, which are hosted on MLK day. Guess where the hundreds of thousands of dollars raised go. Straight to the CSA and other funneling points for the KLAN. This is just one tiny instance. There are some extremely racist old people and they have serious money. The youth are vulgar and racist thanks to the hypocrisy of the elderly.
Post by: thomes08 on September 07, 2004, 06:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Sep 8 2004, 01:54 AM) |
| The ratio of police on duty to citizens is 19 to 1. My city is like fort fucking knox and all the old people who run the joint swear that its necessary because of possible terrorism. I got news for them. No one wants to attack this place. There's nothing here. |
Post by: xFusioNx on September 07, 2004, 06:21:00 PM