Post by: bluedeath on July 02, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day. It's cursing and calling each other 'nigger' as they're walking up and down the street. They think they hip -- can't read, can't write -- 50 percent of them," he said.
I think his remarks could be broadened to encompass every young man and woman in the United States regardless of race.
Read one of the articles here Bill Cosby
Post by: bluedeath on July 02, 2004, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: nemt on July 02, 2004, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: OrkanMan on July 03, 2004, 06:00:00 PM
gives them the brain damage. With their hippin', and the
hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin', so they don't know
what the jazz...is all about!
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 04, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: Banj on July 05, 2004, 01:31:00 AM
) gun crime is on the up and moral integrity has gone for a shit. We are all going to hell.........in a pimped out Lexus riding 28's and listening to Scoopy Scoopy Dog Dog.
Post by: nemt on July 05, 2004, 04:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (Banj @ Jul 5 2004, 06:31 AM) |
| I'm British and have noticed a steady increase on 'bling' culture infecting the youth of this country, it's fucking poison. Kids think all they need in life is phat rims and props, ( I don't know what I'm talking about ) gun crime is on the up and moral integrity has gone for a shit. We are all going to hell.........in a pimped out Lexus riding 28's and listening to Scoopy Scoopy Dog Dog. |
That's a pretty lame attitude for a liberal, you should be embracing other cultures, no matter how ridiculous they are. Next you'll be telling me arabs shouldn't be allowed to fire rifles into the air in a celebratory manner when helicopters are patrolling the area!
Post by: Banj on July 05, 2004, 04:45:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on July 05, 2004, 05:29:00 AM
This has no bearing whatsoever.. but for the record.. I'm white.. and have always had respect for the man.
He's taken alot of crap for his views on rappers.. and on the continuing trend of young black urban comedians taking t swearing and cussing to put themselves over.
I'll never forget the late 70's and early 80's watching his education and reading segments.. that were "forced" on us up here in Canada in school. Some of my fondest memories actually.
Some will remember the FAT ALBERT stuff.. but even that had some decent messages for the kids.
I think Cosby lost his spot though.. when the COSBY SHOW was on the air. The perfect DR and LAWYER family, with the almost perfect children just didn't reach black urban youth.
I felt that when that show was on the air.. Cosby entered a second phase in his life.. where he had become unknown and/or irrelevant to the urban youth. His current show.. which is a BBC re-write and cleaned up for him.. pretty much falls into the same category.
alot of people.. especially black people are upset at what Cosby has been saying.. but alot of other black people.. have been walking around saying.. Who is Bill Cosby?
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 05, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
but seriously, anything that isn't postive and only talks about guns, crime, pimping hoes (since when was that cool? Pimps used to be the worst peices of human garbage, now they're "the shiznit").... doesn't all this just lead to more prejudice with black people? I'm not black but I'm pretty sure black culture as a whole is NOT to blame. It's those damn greedy Rap Stars who are targeting white market (most of rap /hip hop is bought by whites) and unfortunately little kids buy into it becuase it the the goal of young people to be older than they really are. Thats why we're seeing this filth everywhere we go.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with big rims. I do have a problem with TVs in cars and shag carpeting however
Post by: Mozart.mp3 on July 05, 2004, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: The unProfessional on July 05, 2004, 10:50:00 PM
Plenty of us just say "Eh, it's just music, what's it matter." Well, it matters alot to a 12 year-old in dire need of a father figure, since his dad is off banging his secretary and getting DUIs and his mom is porkin' the FedEx guy.
My step-cousin just graduated from her University where her son spent the first 3 years of his life. Since she's a lousy mother, or finds it doesn't matter, her son spent many hours of the day watching MTV. He didn't have many kids to play with, and she's irresponsible to begin with. He's now three years old and has a terrible mouth. He'll randomly blirt out "fuck off", "motherfucker", or other colorful phrases to one of the other young boys in the family. Surely he didn't get this from MTV alone. I'm sure he picked the best of it it up from her music.
Is this simply culture? Hell no. It's a horrible exploitation of pop culture. No parent (black or white) wants their kid hearing or speaking that crap, or having drastically skewed opinions of women and acceptable lifestyles.
Rap is highly formulated (as pretty much all of pop culture is) and rappers follow the same trends as long as they sell. Right now the same videos with some ugly fool surrounded by cars and skanks, rappin about how much they want his nuts and how he lives his life of gratuitous sex and money. Fine and dandy as music. But there are repercussions.
Kids find role models in rappers, sports stars (especially the thuggish ones), and the like. I've seen some serious effects first hand, and it ain't pretty.
Bill Cosby is a fantastic role model. Black males in general have had a hard time relating to educated balck role models. I've never understood it. I imagine it's because the constant barrage of Iversons, Nelly's, and Jay-Z's surely exceededs the exposure of the Bill Cosby's out there. Black men are far less likely to go to college. This isn't because of inherent disadvantages. It's simply because the percentage of black men who are raised to understand the fulfilment one gains from college is extremely low. The'll dub it as something "for white kids". Black females, on the other hand, are embracing it much more effectively. Voluntary segregation is also rampant... which is a major cause of this entire problem.
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 05, 2004, 11:34:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| This a fine line to walk. |
Very true. Either the music is destructive, or non-destructive. It depends who is listening.
| QUOTE |
| If one says that the "hip hop" culture infringes on a proper value system for youths, people jump down their throat, saying they aren't embracing cultures... worse yet, that they're racist. |
Hip Hop culture is a strange animal. If one is speaking about the fundamentals of hip-hop, the 9 elements of hip hop....you will learn that it was nothing to do with the material lust in which we see today. Hip hop artist KRS-One has always represented hip hop in it's original form, and is an influentuel person of the "Conscious Rap" movement. He also puts on a hip hop appreciation week every year I beleive. Temple of Hip-Hop
| QUOTE |
| Rap is highly formulated (as pretty much all of pop culture is) and rappers follow the same trends as long as they sell. Right now the same videos with some ugly fool surrounded by cars and skanks, rappin about how much they want his nuts and how he lives his life of gratuitous sex and money. Fine and dandy as music. But there are repercussions. |
I agree, it has been that way for some time. Just now we are starting to come away from it a bit, but the women shaking their booties 2 inches from the camera is an ongoing trend it seems. This is troubling because there is already way too much sex on TV. I mean I seriously feel ashamed watching that garbage when it is basically giving the porn industry free PR.
Post by: The unProfessional on July 05, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: CamaroGuy on July 06, 2004, 01:12:00 AM
Post by: big_pimping25 on July 06, 2004, 06:45:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on July 06, 2004, 07:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (big_pimping25 @ Jul 6 2004, 03:45 PM) |
| no offence but all you guys in this thread are white correct ,bill cosby is a major bigot all those movies he been in which he portrayed pimps , cursing ect! |
I know what you mean. After watching Ghost Dad the first thing that came to my mind was ... Bill's a pimp. And picture pages.... wow.
Post by: gronne on July 06, 2004, 07:53:00 AM
But there must be a lot of coloured people on this board as well, right? Or maybe I'm all wrong?
Post by: The unProfessional on July 06, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on July 06, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on July 06, 2004, 01:23:00 PM
My group of friends is mostly white as can be expected.. and the second largest noticable group in my circle of friends.. are asians.
My borther on the other hand.. who frequented all of the same schools I did.. in all of the same areas during his upbringing.. has a mostly urban black/arabic social group.
Here is a microcosm of our little world up here.
My friends.. both white and asian.. whether they have good jobs.. bad jobs.. or no jobs always seem to find the time and money for the toys. Cars, Computers, and Game Consoles.
His friends.. and their families.. seem to be the complete opposite. He is one of the few in his circles with a computer and a console. Most of his firends don't actually have either. Those that have one.. tend to not upgrade.. and usually sit on ancient hardware. From his groups.. just about none of them buys their games or pc software.
Nothing scientific about this.. it's just our experience.
Post by: .i.n.s.u.l.t.s on July 07, 2004, 12:58:00 AM
Post by: mike96sc2 on July 07, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
I remember being a kid when the 2 live crew were being banned all over the place. They always claimed to be music for adults.
Nowadays there is no "adult" market for anything. Nearly everything is marketed towards childeren or teenagers or whatever else.
Sex & The City in Prime Time, over 80% of MTV's shows involve gratuitous sex, BET is pretty much flaunting the stereotypical black culture as well.
What I'm saying is if parents sat down and talked to their kids about things and explained how the world works and the realities of what's going on instead of letting TV and the internet and everything else play babysitter we'd be a lot better off.
Maybe if young white kids were allowed to see the "hood" they wouldn't think it was so cool to want to be a gangster.
Maybe if young girls saw abortion clinics or teenage mothers and such they wouldn't consider "hooking up" to be such a common scenario.
When I was a kid we learned everything on the playground, now you learn it on the playground, but you have a much more vivid unrealistic image reinforced when you leave that playground and go home to sit in front of the TV.
Post by: OrkanMan on July 07, 2004, 04:49:00 PM