Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 05:21:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 01, 2004, 09:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 1 2004, 12:47 PM) |
| We could feed the British and Canadians to the war machine and then use the French as human shields. |
again, why do you speak?
Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 01, 2004, 01:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 1 2004, 12:53 PM) |
| You are an idiot. |
why, im not the one being an ignorant, normal american fuck
Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: nemt on July 01, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 01, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 1 2004, 04:26 PM) |
| Are you going to cry baby. C'mon baby cry. You gonna squirt, give us a little squirt. One of the guys working with me took a bunch of psych classes in college. Judging by your spastic responses he thinks you have some serious problems. Maybe bipolar or manic..... some kind of chemical embalance In any case he thinks that you need to go and see a doc. Just some advice from those of us who have our fake degree and the student loan bills to prove it. |
hmmm, i guess ill take your friends word on his assumption......
bluedeath, you seem to be turning into nemt even more with every post you make
you also seem to get off topic, respond with attacks and not facts and your blinded by the fact the republicans started a shit storm in which we will never recover from
Post by: mike96sc2 on July 01, 2004, 04:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Jul 1 2004, 06:54 PM) |
| Hahaha every thread in this forum is bluedeath getting in an ignorant argument with someone. Usually RaptorBull. It's the same thing over and over again, no matter what the topic is. |
I've gotten in a few of those arguements with BlueDeath (he's mad at me because he doesn't like girls or something) but now I'm just going to sit back and laugh. I will give 67thRaptorBull some credit, his arguement doesn't fall to the lowest common denominator of calling people crybabies and wishing death on everyone else.
Post by: nfs911 on July 01, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 01, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (mike96sc2 @ Jul 1 2004, 07:26 PM) |
| I've gotten in a few of those arguements with BlueDeath (he's mad at me because he doesn't like girls or something) but now I'm just going to sit back and laugh. I will give 67thRaptorBull some credit, his arguement doesn't fall to the lowest common denominator of calling people crybabies and wishing death on everyone else. |
meh, im done arguing as i saw his posts were just attempts to take his mind of his dead beat job
Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 01, 2004, 06:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 1 2004, 09:00 PM) |
| Like a bunch of 15 yr olds in a circle jerk. Stroking each other and smiling. Disgusting. |
huh?
Post by: afon on July 01, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
Btw, 67thraptorbull...answer your PM's.
Post by: miazmaticdotcom on July 02, 2004, 02:21:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on July 02, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 2 2004, 03:00 AM) |
| We do not support your communist views. Move to China if you think that marxism will save us. |
I agree.
Post by: nemt on July 02, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (miazmaticdotcom @ Jul 2 2004, 07:21 AM) |
| I want to move to Canada. Soon. |
See you next time you get sick, then.
Post by: ahhh on July 02, 2004, 02:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt ) |
| There's nothing to save us from. The economy is growing more quickly than any other time in recent history, and the global terrorist network in in shambles. |
I'm guessing the key work her is "recent" history since in recent history the economy hasn't been doing so good and maybe just recently it has gotten better. Using the money intended for social security that we are not supposed to touch is not a good sign of a great economy. Since it's expected that people will not have social security when they are of retiring age why am I still having to pay for it out of my paycheck?
Post by: HeLiuM on July 02, 2004, 05:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 2 2004, 03:00 AM) |
| Like a bunch of 15 yr olds in a circle jerk. Stroking each other and smiling. Disgusting. |
Well that just proves Kerry will step up the death dealing. Bluedeath sees 15 yr old kids in a "circle jerk". Troll.
And nemt, care to share some support for your record breaking economic boom? (and do try to do better than bluedeath)
| QUOTE (afon) |
| except the left want to use social tactics to distribute money across the people, while the right wants to squeeze capitalism for all its worth |
I'd call that a pretty damn big difference.. Don't tell me you're into shapeshifting reptilian theory.
Oh, and through all that, you didn't give a single solution. We're copying our parents and the media? Interesting that you know everyones situation, but nevermind that. I'm more interested in your argument that they are exactly the same (yet you yourself gave a distinct difference), that you in all probability picked up from the nearest anarchist.
Someone had to take out Saddams Muslim ass? When's someone going to take out Bush's christian ass (he might as well be catholic too, since the Pope threatened to excommunicate anyone voting for Kerry)? He doesn't follow international law (POW? I don't want to hear your loopholes. They're all complete bull, going around the law doesn't make you right), he disregards the international community (UN?). Now I'm not calling him Saddam, but come on. If Saddam had to go, theres good reason Bush has to too.
Post by: Wolfblade12 on July 04, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 05, 2004, 10:21:00 AM
Image speaks for itself.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 05, 2004, 05:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 5 2004, 01:21 PM) |
| Image speaks for itself. |
whats it saying?
that bush is the worst president ever and kerry is the only choice?
Post by: BenJeremy on July 05, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
That's NOT photoshopped. It's Kerry trying real hard, and failing miserably, to get in "touch" with the NRA crowd.
Much like his constant falls on the slopes (accompanied by him swearing at Secret Service people for his own fault) or spills on his bike (followed by more finger pointing - at least Bush took his spill like a man).... Kerry is very much trying to "play the part" - creating a facade; and that's all it really is, a facade - Kerry is a priviledged, out-of-touch, silver-spooned lifetime politician, with little track record pointing to any concern for the average American.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 05, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 5 2004, 08:35 PM) |
| Lord, when people have the anti-Bush blinders on tight, it must restrict the blood to their brains. That's NOT photoshopped. It's Kerry trying real hard, and failing miserably, to get in "touch" with the NRA crowd. Much like his constant falls on the slopes (accompanied by him swearing at Secret Service people for his own fault) or spills on his bike (followed by more finger pointing - at least Bush took his spill like a man).... Kerry is very much trying to "play the part" - creating a facade; and that's all it really is, a facade - Kerry is a priviledged, out-of-touch, silver-spooned lifetime politician, with little track record pointing to any concern for the average American. |
fuck the NRA, i dont care bout em
and as long as kerry doesnt plan on playing cowboy, blowing the shit out of nations and then killing its civilians and driving the economy into the shitter, then i want him in office
also, your right its not photoshopped, but theres nothing wrong with that picutres, hes merley looking up into the sky while someone shoots a gun next to him (not at him, the guy is next to him)
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on July 22, 2004, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: melon on July 22, 2004, 04:07:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Just some advice from those of us who have our fake degree and the student loan bills to prove it. |
I hear you on that one! £25,000 my total student debt 
The way I see it you vote Kerry as he is the lesser of two evils.
Where in the same situation over here. Everyone HATES Tony Bliar but the Tory leader Howard will destroy our schools and hospitals.
Post by: therebelious1 on July 22, 2004, 04:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (melon @ Jul 22 2004, 12:10 PM) |
| Where in the same situation over here. Everyone HATES Tony Bliar but the Tory leader Howard will destroy our schools and hospitals. |
i think its funny how no-one even considers lib-dem as an option
Post by: melon on July 22, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
It is true though there a bit of a joke, I just like some of their ideals.
Post by: bx2a5z on July 22, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| there is no substantial proof either way that sadaam did or did not have womd. |
Proof either way? Tell me, how exactly do you prove a negative? Oh, that's right. You can't.
| QUOTE |
| bronze star - pulled a guy out of the water when he fell out of the boat. lol, he would have been courtmarsheled if he would have left him in the water. |
A fireman could lose his job if he didn't run into a burning building to save someone's life. Apparently that makes him less of a hero in your eyes. Or how about James Brady, who took a shot meant for Reagan? I guess it was just his job to get shot, so he doesn't deserve any special recognition, right?
| QUOTE |
| silver star - shot a fleeing sniper in the back. |
So what? A sniper's job is to kill people who can't see him. I find it fitting, and not at all unfair, that he should be killed in the same manner. Would you rather Kerry had just let him run away, so he could snipe off more U.S. soldiers?
| QUOTE |
| looks like them medals were real easy to get in vietnam. |
Why don't you go crouch in the sweltering hot jungle, dodging gunshots, knowing that any moment could be your last, then actually take a human life in service of your country. Then you can come back and tell everyone it was "real easy."
Your statements are more of an insult to veterans than they are to Kerry.
Post by: MHolodak on July 23, 2004, 12:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| It's Kerry trying real hard, and failing miserably, to get in "touch" with the NRA crowd. |
Fuck the NRA.
What the hell does the NRA have to do with anything that has been said in this fourm, other than some dickless republican show a stupid picture?
| QUOTE |
| (followed by more finger pointing - at least Bush took his spill like a man).... |
What is his spill exactly? Well what isn't his spill is a better question... Lets pick one of the many "spills" of George W. Bush... How about how we were lied to about WMDs into going into a war with the scale of death reaching nearly 900. We have been there for a year, no WMDs found... None. What are we finding? More US Flag drapped coffins, 1 which bears my cousin... But at least he took that spill like a man, right? He stopped going after Bin Laden who killed 3,000 civilians... He goes to Iraq saying that we were in huge danger of an attack by Saddam on US soil, and this is easy to do because the citizens of America have been gripped by fear. So we go there, capture Saddam... Have no plan for a peace process going in... And 900 US Soilders die... And now we are told that it was a huge CIA and FBI issue and that the president was given bad intelligence.
| QUOTE |
| Kerry is very much trying to "play the part" - creating a facade; and that's all it really is, a facade... |
Playing the Part? Well, hell that is just what all politicans do... At least Kerry is 50% right... At least hes making a political effort.. Unlike George W. Bush who when asked to appear under oath for the 9/11 comission said "I don't know about under oath, but I'd like to speak with them". Oh and not without Cheney, his boyfriend holding his hand. Let's define facade... A false, superficial, or artificial appearance or effect. Well the color-coding terror ratings put out by the Bush Administration was a great way to manipulate the American public and to keep everyone afraid that we will be attacked, and in history during a War Time Presidency you get behind and obey your leaders... That is a beautiful facade, and the basis of the Bush Administration's very existance, keep everyone afraid, and they'll do what we say...
| QUOTE |
| Kerry is a priviledged, out-of-touch, silver-spooned lifetime politician, with little track record pointing to any concern for the average American. |
WOW! What the hell are you talking about?! Bush was born in the richest area in America (New Haven, Conneticutt). With Daddy paving his way through education, buisness, and then into politics. He went to Yale with as a C student... He worked in Texas later owning a shitty oil company funded by his Daddy's middle-eastern friends, the leaders of Sadui-Arabia and even after several failures of the slew of buisnesses Bush took part in, and they still provide him with cash today, during his presidency... Why? Because Saudis have the largest oil supply and we're the #1 buyer.
How can you people support this asshole... He said he was gonna find Bin Laden, many got behind him, but I think a lot of people were so scared they said "Shit, he'll do". 3 years have passed and where is Bin Laden, we have the best military in the world and we can find him after 3 years... Then we go to war with Iraq, when Iraq had nothing to do with any terroristic plot on American soil EVER! And If you pull that "Oh, but he gassed his own people!!!" shit, yeah while the Reagan and Bush senior administrations supported him and funded him while they knew of these horrid acts.
Check out www.bushflash.com and watch the animations... Some of you will hate them and think its all bullshit, and some of you will find it a wake-up call. Please check it out.
Post by: MHolodak on July 23, 2004, 12:38:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Why don't you go crouch in the sweltering hot jungle, dodging gunshots, knowing that any moment could be your last, then actually take a human life in service of your country. Then you can come back and tell everyone it was "real easy." Your statements are more of an insult to veterans than they are to Kerry. |
Could not have made a better reply myself, If I didnt take so much time to right that previous post, I would have seen this... The man who made fun of how Kerry earned his purple hearts just sickens me... Unbelivable that people have to lower themselves to get their political points across is sad...
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on July 23, 2004, 03:01:00 AM
Post by: gcskate27 on July 23, 2004, 03:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (..[[ModBoxMaster) |
| ]..,Jul 23 2004, 03:04 AM] if kerry is elected america will collapse.. seriously this guy is destin do ruin our country |
good point...
do you ever have any reasoning? or is this your parents/psuedo-intellectual friends talking?
Post by: bgrill27 on July 23, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| kerry got 3 purple hearts.. WOOOOPY DOOO kerry sux |
I would never be condescending to any man who went to war. The first person who's actually served in combat feel free, though. I personally do not like Kerry, but do not try to discount his service while in Vietnam.
| QUOTE |
| How about how we were lied to about WMDs into going into a war with the scale of death reaching nearly 900 |
A lie is a known false truth. The 9/11 commision faulted the CIA for providing bad intel to the governemnt.
| QUOTE |
| "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
Congress was given the same information and made the same assumptions. I would have too. The president did not give this intellegence to Congress, but the CIA did. We overestimated Sadam's weapons, but some have been found.
| QUOTE |
| Polish troops in Iraq recently have discovered "16 or 17" warheads containing sarin or mustard gas, according to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. |
link
A terrible torturing tyrant is out of power. Saddam goes down in the line of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. I think it is better for the Middle East that Saddam is out of power. Remember Libya? They surrendered their nuclear program directly because of the Invasion of Iraq. The UN issued warning after warning, but never acted. The UN stands for useless negociator, in my opinion. What did they do in Bosnia, when Ethnic Albanians were suffering genocide? Nothing. Waiting for UN approval would have been futile.
| QUOTE |
| He goes to Iraq saying that we were in huge danger of an attack by Saddam on US soil |
From Bush's State of the Union 2003:
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| Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option. |
He says that Iraq is not an imminent threat.
| QUOTE |
| He stopped going after Bin Laden who killed 3,000 civilians |
Simply not true. There are still many, many forces in Afghanistan.
MHolodak, My condolences to you for the death of your cousin. I could not even imagine the loss you are feeling. I did not mean for any of the arguments above to be personal.
Post by: nVRuckus on July 23, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 1 2004, 05:50 PM) |
| We could feed the British and Canadians to the war machine and then use the French as human shields. |
lol guy our salvation army is bigger than the canadian army
and why fight the british? who will we get to back us no matter what we do.
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 23, 2004, 05:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (MHolodak @ Jul 23 2004, 08:41 AM) |
| Could not have made a better reply myself, If I didnt take so much time to right that previous post, I would have seen this... The man who made fun of how Kerry earned his purple hearts just sickens me... Unbelivable that people have to lower themselves to get their political points across is sad... |
i dont think i was "making fun" of how kerry got the purple hearts. im stated how he got them, and that a shrapnel scratch does not deserve a purple heart.
if you think otherwise, well, pretty much every single war veteran should come home with a purple heart.
i was not trying to insult or discredit war veterans in any way.
and i do not call kerry a vietnam war hero, or even a war veteran. he is a traitor to the good men and women who fought beside him. he came home, threw away his medals, and called his fellow veterans lying sadistic cheats.
okay, maybe not EXACTLY that, but for all extents and purposes, he was out there with the "you are a bunch of baby-killers" crowd.
i really have a hard time respecting a man who vicously attacked his fellow veterans. these guys were doing their job, and put themselves in grave danger, all because they were told to. just to stop communism from spreading to SK.
this is what i meant by my post, and one of the reasons i have extremely little respect for kerry.
for once im siding with gcskate -
"if kerry is elected america will collapse.. seriously this guy is destin do ruin our country"
if all you are going to do is post a bunch of conservative propaganda with no backbone, dont bother to post at all. you are just ticking everyone off, on both political sides. we can all obviously see you dont know why you believe what you do, other then because its been crammed into your head by your parents/relatives/church, etc. dont believe everything you hear.
Post by: bx2a5z on July 23, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 24 2004, 01:52 AM) |
| what are you talking about. you are completely incoherent. what are you talking about "negative" |
For the thinking-impaired: Positive = weapons are there. Negative = they aren't. You can't prove there's no weapons just like you can't prove there's no Jesus. You can't prove non-existance. You can be 99.99999999% sure, but that's not proof.| QUOTE |
| a bronze star for pulling a guy out of the water? come on, thats INSTINCT, not bravery. |
The result is the same - he saved someone's life. What on earth does it matter what was going through his head at the time? Further, saving someone else's life is NOT instinct; saving your own is.
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| you are missing the point here. he got a SILVER STAR for this. a silver star! just for shooting a guy in the back. a silver star is supposed to be a really high honor, kerry got it just for shooting a sniper in the back. |
He kept him from killing more U.S. soldiers. Sounds medal-worthy to me. What do you think someone should have to do to get a medal? Gun down 50 soldiers at once while ducking and dodging and jumping, and all without getting hit? Sorry, but that only happens in the movies.
| QUOTE |
| these guys were doing their job, and put themselves in grave danger |
So did Kerry - only he thought his fellow soldiers went too far and expressed his opinion. How does that make him a "traitor?" Would you rather nobody ever questioned the military's actions? If that was the way things had gone down, who knows, maybe now our military would be roaming rape/death squads, like military forces in some other countries.
Kerry stood up and said what he felt to be right. That takes balls, and is hardly something to be ashamed of.
Now then, is your assertion that the military DIDN'T do anything fucked up in Vietnam? If so, then why has the U.S. government felt the need to officially apologize for the My Lai massacre?
| QUOTE |
| im sorry, but you make absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
Don't blame me for your shitty reading comprehension.
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 23, 2004, 07:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (bx2a5z @ Jul 24 2004, 02:38 AM) |
| Now then, is your assertion that the military DIDN'T do anything fucked up in Vietnam? If so, then why has the U.S. government felt the need to officially apologize for the My Lai massacre? Don't blame me for your shitty reading comprehension. |
| QUOTE |
| For the thinking-impaired: Positive = weapons are there. Negative = they aren't. You can't prove there's no weapons just like you can't prove there's no Jesus. You can't prove non-existance. You can be 99.99999999% sure, but that's not proof. |
ok. so you can prove they WERE there? lets hear it then.
| QUOTE |
| The result is the same - he saved someone's life. What on earth does it matter what was going through his head at the time? Further, saving someone else's life is NOT instinct; saving your own is. He kept him from killing more U.S. soldiers. Sounds medal-worthy to me. What do you think someone should have to do to get a medal? Gun down 50 soldiers at once while ducking and dodging and jumping, and all without getting hit? Sorry, but that only happens in the movies. |
yes and all that was really medal worthy. i suppose its all opinion, and mine is, none of that really deserves a silver or bronze star. those are supposed to designate heroism. i hardly call either of his actions heroic. and where did you get the idea he saved someones life? oh yes, because every single time wihtout exceptrion that someone falls in the river, it means they are definitely going to drown and die. i forgot about that.
and you do have the gift of exaggeration, i applaud you.| QUOTE |
| So did Kerry - only he thought his fellow soldiers went too far and expressed his opinion. How does that make him a "traitor?" Would you rather nobody ever questioned the military's actions? If that was the way things had gone down, who knows, maybe now our military would be roaming rape/death squads, like military forces in some other countries. |
"thought" is the key word there. if you can somehow prove that every vietnam veteran that was with kerry was guilty of horrible war crimes then please do so. i think a soldier has every right to try to preserve his life in combat. of course, if you think that the vietnam veteran's lives were worthless, ok.
| QUOTE |
| would be roaming rape/death squads, like military forces in some other countries |
well we all know the actions of a few soldiers represents the country as a whole.
| QUOTE |
| Kerry stood up and said what he felt to be right. That takes balls, and is hardly something to be ashamed of. |
of course kerry wouldnt feel ashamed of this. he thinks every vietnam veteran was a satanic woman-raping baby-killing barbarian. okay, thats an exageration, but you see what i mean here.
| QUOTE |
| Now then, is your assertion that the military DIDN'T do anything fucked up in Vietnam? If so, then why has the U.S. government felt the need to officially apologize for the My Lai massacre? |
ah yes, i can clearly see in my post where i said the military never did anything wrong in vietnam.
Don't blame me for your shitty reading comprehension.
Post by: bx2a5z on July 24, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 24 2004, 03:35 AM) |
| ok. so you can prove they WERE there? lets hear it then. |
Um, huh? What are you talking about?
| QUOTE |
| yes and all that was really medal worthy. i suppose its all opinion, and mine is, none of that really deserves a silver or bronze star. those are supposed to designate heroism. i hardly call either of his actions heroic. |
Well, then isn't your beef with the military, not Kerry? He didn't award those medals to himself.
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| "thought" is the key word there. if you can somehow prove that every vietnam veteran that was with kerry was guilty of horrible war crimes then please do so. |
Say what? Since when did Kerry say that every soldier that served in 'Nam was a war criminal?
| QUOTE |
| i think a soldier has every right to try to preserve his life in combat. |
Of course. But that doesn't involve killing women and children. You seem to really have trouble understanding the difference between "war" and "war crimes."
| QUOTE |
| of course, if you think that the vietnam veteran's lives were worthless, ok. |
| QUOTE |
| well we all know the actions of a few soldiers represents the country as a whole. |
I didn't say that, and Kerry didn't say that. Like most of your post, I'm not quite sure where the hell you came up with that one.
| QUOTE |
| of course kerry wouldnt feel ashamed of this. he thinks every vietnam veteran was a satanic woman-raping baby-killing barbarian. okay, thats an exageration, but you see what i mean here. |
No, actually I don't. I see you have a very overactive imagination, and that you love to put words into Kerry's mouth, but little else.
| QUOTE |
| ah yes, i can clearly see in my post where i said the military never did anything wrong in vietnam. |
You sure act like it. If they didn't do anything wrong in Vietnam, Kerry is a liar. If they did, he's the equivalent of a whistleblower. What the hell is your problem with that, and how does it make him a traitor?
Post by: nfs911 on July 24, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: MHolodak on July 24, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: pegasys on July 24, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Edited 4 spelling.
Post by: melon on July 24, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Mage on July 25, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Dark_Link2135 on July 25, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
i can prove i exist. otherwise, how would i be typing this?
Post by: Colonel32 on July 25, 2004, 02:02:00 PM
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| oh, and colonel32 - look it up. he didn't get treated by a doctor for the shrapnel wound. they just found out he had it. and besides that, i didn't know a scratch was enough for purple heart. if it is, then i suppose he earned it. oh yes, and you say that kerry should have gotten the silver star, because he shot a sniper in the back and prevented him from killing other americans, and that was heroic? then in that case, every single veteran should have gotten a silver star who killed a viet cong, because they stopped the viet cong dude from killing any more americans. but silver stars dont get awarded like that. |
Darklink: there are records, they have been released. The Dr. Letson also confirmed the validity of these. That "Shrapnel scratch" left some shrapnel in Kerry's thigh if you want some more proof. Most scratches don't leave metal in someone's body, put it doesn't really matter. You can get a purple heart without bleeding.
I didn't say anything about the silver star, but it wasn't for killing someone. The silver star was for gallantry.
The bronze star was for dragging a fellow soldier back into his swift boat after taking more shrapnel "scratches" to his shoulder after a mine exploded. He saved the guy's life.
Sounds like a hero to me... hopefully we can show some respect for our soldiers and not buy this smear campaign. It's the only thing Kerry has going for him, therefore naturally people would try and discredit it. They have been trying since Nixon.
Post by: gcskate27 on July 25, 2004, 02:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dark_Link2135 @ Jul 25 2004, 02:03 PM) |
| ^^^^^^^^ i can prove i exist. otherwise, how would i be typing this? |
its the basis of philosophy really... you cant really prove that you exist and you cant really prove anything else... but there HAS to be something, so the fact that 'you' exist is just accepted... but not proveable...
Post by: Colonel32 on July 25, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Silver Star
Purple Heart #1
#2
#3
PDF Photocopy of military records.
Definition of a purple heart
I'm not lying, it's public information. It's what Kerry has going for him... rich kid chooses to go to vietnam, earns medals... comes back a young man and gives a very famous speech. Of course there is going to be a lot of money spent on discrediting this... GWB did the same thing to Mccain in the primaries... it worked. Mccain would have been a superior president too.
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 25, 2004, 06:08:00 PM
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| Mccain would have been a superior president too. |
How do you know Kerry will be a good president? He is an upper crust elitist, with upper crust elitist friends. He opposed the Vietnam war, didn't he? Yet he still went? It just seems like he's been playing the crowd on issues. How can this man make up his mind on anything? I bet he doesn't even have a favourite song, or movie.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 25, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr. Chips @ Jul 25 2004, 08:11 PM) |
| I bet he doesn't even have a favourite song, or movie. |
but at least he can talk, and not act like a retard
Post by: Colonel32 on July 25, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
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| How do you know Kerry will be a good president? |
I don't know, I actually think he'll be a one term president and won't get much done. I personally think he's an arrogant career politician. It was less of a comment on Kerry or Mccain and more of a comment on GWB.
I don't buy all this "waffling" rhetoric as well. Mccain was a "waffler" as well. Kerry has 20 years of record, I'm sure he's changed his mind a lot.
some say he's a "waffler", someone else says he's the "biggest liberal in the senate". Seems to me thats a bit of a condradiction so I really don't know what to believe. Doesn't really matter anyway, right?
Post by: Mr. Chips on July 25, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
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| Mr. Chips, what is your favorite movie? Is it the same favorite movie from when you were 6? There are a lot of our soldiers in Iraq who are very opposed to the war there, but it's their duty. I don't call them hypocrites either. |
ok, you have a point...opinions do change...I didnt think I would get such a response...I respect what the troops are doing, I never questioned that, but Kerry came from a wealthy background...he never was forced to do it like it is his duty. If anything he imposed the duty on himself...god bless him for that....but he is not your average soldier...like colonel32 said, he is a career politician with political motives. I don't know if he's arrogant, however. That's something we'll have to see if he gets in
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| Upper crust? It's fine if you have something against that, but you can't possibly defend Bush that way. |
I wasn't defending Bush.
Post by: bgrill27 on July 27, 2004, 12:27:00 AM
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| Before 9/11 the administration said that saddam had no WMD's but right after 9/11 they apparently popped out of nowhere. Now Bush tries 2 make up 4 going 2 war needlessly and loosing over 900 American lives by saying that "he had the knowledge 2 create WMD's(so does almost every country) and he hates America(so do most countries)" |
ALL quotes pre 9/11:
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| "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Someone please make an intelligent response instead of ignoring my post and rambling on.
Post by: bgrill27 on July 28, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: OrkanMan on July 28, 2004, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: MHolodak on July 28, 2004, 09:40:00 PM
The Clinton Admin didnt send US Soldiers over to Iraq to fight a war... And it was the Bush Admin that did... And it was also Colin Powell and Condy Rice who were quoted in Febuary and July of 2001 saying that Saddam had no capabilities concerning WMDs. That was the same Admin that used ironicly faulty intel to go to war... Most of you right wing people keep saying it was the bad intel, not George Bush lying!!!! Well seeing your post and taking the bad intel point into thought, could it be... that Bill Clinton's admin had that same bad intel as well??? I Just want to know if you feel safer knowing that Saddam is gone? While also noting that this country that has never been attacked by Iraq, nor has ever had a single American civilian ever been killed by Iraq prior to Bush's war.
Here is the link of the video footage of Powell and Ms. Rice just to back my shit up.
Post by: Mick Garvey on July 29, 2004, 12:31:00 AM
Im not shure if your allowed to swear so dont kick me out lol! But think about that valient hero now. And for those of you who think that stupid fat white nut case Micheal Moore is actually smart
these are some links that prove how stupid he is and how Farinheight 9/11 is a big lie...The attachment is a piece written by Dave Kopel calling into question approximately 58 inaccuracies in Fahrenheit 911(The author, Dave Kopel, is a life-long Democrat who endorsed and voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. He supports some but not all aspects of the current war on terror).
The following links are self-explanatory.
Why the Iraq War Was Legal...
UN resolutions on iraq
Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolution
Attorney General Advised Blair war was legal
(Age Australia: Yes, This War Is Legal)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #678)
(United Nations Security Council Resolution #687)
(United Nations Charter Article 51)
(United Nations Charter Chapter VII)
(WFB's Latest: Should We Have Gone to War?)
On Michael Moore ...
(WSJ: There's more McCarthy than Murrow in the work of Michael Moore)
(LA Times: Public Keeping Its Cool Over Election Effect of 'Fahrenheit')
Moore Myths
(Slate: Unfairenheit 9/11. The lies of Michael Moore - Christopher Hitchens)
(Newsweek: More Distortions From Michael Moore - Michael Isikoff)
(McCaslin: Major's Mom Call Moore "Maggot That Eats The Dead")
(Sydney Morning Herald: Less is Moore)
(Ed Koch: More Would've Opposed WWII Too)
(Washington Post: Baloney, Moore or Less - Richard Cohen)
((The Hill: Clarke claims responsibility)
(NewsMax: Richard Clarke: Big Part of Moore's Movie 'a Mistake')
(NRO: John Podhoretz: Spider-man 2 is the best comic-book movie ever made)
(NRO: Democrats and the Fahrenheit 9/11 Trap)
(Boston Globe: Limbaughing to the left? - Ellen Goodman)
Moore lies about meeting, Hugging Daschle
17-pages of truth about Bowling for Columbine from former Interior Department attorney David Hardy
www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Richard Bushnell has put together a well-documented site that takes you through the inaccuracies in Bowling for Columbine.
Click here to watch Bill O'reilly and Micheal Moore Debate in the "No Spin Zone"
This took an hour of copying and pasteing so liberals enjoy
Post by: MHolodak on July 29, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: OrkanMan on July 29, 2004, 04:56:00 PM
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| You are fucking ignorant and retarded... You sound like a stupid teenager |
Hmm...that sounds a lot like yourself.
Post by: nemt on July 29, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (OrkanMan @ Jul 29 2004, 08:59 PM) |
| Hmm...that sounds a lot like yourself. |
Beat me to it...
Post by: gcskate27 on July 29, 2004, 06:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (OrkanMan @ Jul 29 2004, 04:59 PM) |
| Hmm...that sounds a lot like yourself. |
orkan, you are funny... if extremely stupid...
i saw the thread you made about me... humorous to be sure... but the thing i dont quite understand is the hip-hop slang its written in... when have you ever seen me writei like that?
Post by: OrkanMan on July 29, 2004, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on July 29, 2004, 07:16:00 PM
ahem... YO, YO, YO!!
Post by: OrkanMan on July 29, 2004, 07:20:00 PM
Nice to see another republican on these boards.
Post by: bgrill27 on July 30, 2004, 01:09:00 AM
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| Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option. |
I hate the fact that Amercia is divided. The extreme right pushes so hard to support the president that they overlook any errors he could of made. The extreme left calls Bush a murderer for oil. I want Bush to win this election- but his winning will not solve America's problem of hatred for each other-neither will John Kerry's win, for that matter. This hatred has grown exponentially with the media- Fox News- CNN- both bias, and both denying it.
Post by: melon on July 30, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
What is so special about him that make people blind to any fault he has and make them almost worship him?
Are there sibliminal messages in the news or something?
There has to be some explanation!
Hypnosis in schools.. What is it!!!
How has Bush created this aura of greatness???????????????????????????????????????
Post by: OrkanMan on July 30, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
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| I hate the fact that Amercia is divided. The extreme right pushes so hard to support the president that they overlook any errors he could of made. The extreme left calls Bush a murderer for oil. I want Bush to win this election- but his winning will not solve America's problem of hatred for each other-neither will John Kerry's win, for that matter. This hatred has grown exponentially with the media- Fox News- CNN- both bias, and both denying it. |
I think you made a pretty good point.
But, more hate is coming from the left.
Right?
Post by: MHolodak on July 30, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
I watch Scarbrough Country, I like that show, I yell at it more than I enjoy watching it but I thought MSNBC's coverage of the Democratic National Covention was superb. Scarbrough and Pat Buccanan all said good things about Kerry's speech, and rightfully so. But overall (looking at all their shows) they are very far to the right, MSNBC seems right down the middle and that's how I like it.
For a good time call 1-800-ORKINMAN
Post by: necrodiety on July 30, 2004, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: Mick Garvey on August 01, 2004, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: Mick Garvey on August 01, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: nemt on August 01, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (necrodiety @ Jul 31 2004, 12:09 AM) |
| I'll tell everyone, it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry wins. There is no way we'll stop terrorism. It's the choice to be good or evil that makes us human and until we stop being human, there will be terrorists. The only thing we can do is keep them in check. Like General Black Jack Pershing did: click for image |
Your story is a fabrication of the truth. Pershing was known for his resolve in understanding and respecting his enemy, whomever it may be. Jack Pershing is a true american hero, but he had no such exploits involving the desecration of muslim fighters' corpses.
EDIT: Turned large image into clickable link.
Post by: melon on August 02, 2004, 04:16:00 AM
Post by: The unProfessional on August 02, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
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Economy A top economic advisor to Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said the public won't hear Kerry's financial plans until after he's elected - if he's elected. In the Aug. 2 cover story of "Business Week," former Clinton administration treasury secretary Robert Rubin said, "I don't think you can make proposals to try to dig out of this hole until you've gotten elected ... If you start to put out proposals now, they would be vigorously attacked and they would in effect become tainted so they couldn't be used." War on Terror Sen. John F. Kerry told ABC News, "I will have significant, enormous reduction in the level of troops" in Iraq by the end of his term, but he refused to say how he would accomplish that. Elect me and find out, he indicated. I've been involved in this for a long time, longer than George Bush," Kerry told George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC's "This Week." "I've spent 20 years negotiating, working, fighting for different kinds of treaties and different relationships around the world. I know that as president there's huge leverage that will be available to me, enormous cards to play, and I'm not going to play them in public. I'm not going to play them before I'm president." |
I was under the impression that the whole point of debates and elections was for the public to analyze and weigh the policies of the candidates. Apparently the new trend is to hide your incompetence and show it's ugly head later.
"Hire me, but please don't ask me how I'm going to do the job before making your decision."
Post by: pegasys on August 02, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: nemt on August 02, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (pegasys @ Aug 2 2004, 07:10 PM) |
| I believe a book was released today that details Kerry's plans all there in black and white for everyone to see. Get it, read it, vote anyone but Bush(preferably Kerry). |
When democrats run for president, they spend one year promising voters everything, then four years explaining why they couldn't deliver. The only difference with kerry is his promises are much more vague, in fact, the only thing he seems to be really specific about, when he guarantees anything, is that he isn't george w bush, which seems to be a winning point among idiots anyway.
Post by: heinrich on August 02, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (OrkanMan @ Jul 29 2004, 11:23 PM) |
| Thanks! You like my George W. Bush sig? |
I like how you are jacking bandwidth from georgewbush.com, glad to see those political donations going towards something useful.
Post by: thomes08 on August 02, 2004, 11:41:00 PM
we're turning the corner.... yeeehaaawww!