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Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: bluedeath on June 29, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
Picture yourself finally getting out of the army, finding a new job,  working at that job for a couple of years and then suddenly getting called back to the army involuntarily with risk of imprisonment if you refuse.  Sounds like fun doesn't it.
Here is the article Sucks to be them
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: mike96sc2 on June 29, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
Well it's not as if these people didn't know what they were getting into. They're fulfilling their obligations as the article says. There won't be a draft so don't worry about it. Those worried about a draft can solve that problem by enlisting now so they can't be drafted.
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: HiRoll3r on June 29, 2004, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE (mike96sc2 @ Jun 29 2004, 05:35 PM)
Well it's not as if these people didn't know what they were getting into. They're fulfilling their obligations as the article says. There won't be a draft so don't worry about it. Those worried about a draft can solve that problem by enlisting now so they can't be drafted.

How can you say "there won't be a draft?" Our military is already so over-deployed that we've began to implement stop-loss, as well as moving soldiers from N. Korea (like my friend who is now in the Mojave desert training for Iraq), etc to the Gulf, as well as this latest "forced re-enlistment." If I'm a 17 year-old kid who may have been looking at the military or reserves as an option a year or two ago, I'd now have second thoughts. Likewise, people who may have chosen to re-up may now choose a civillian life. If a country like N. Korea or Iran rears ther ugly head, whose military will we send? The "coalition of the willing," or will we need to reinstate the draft? Or, will we just pull troops from Iraq and Afghanistan?
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: gcskate27 on June 29, 2004, 10:23:00 PM
QUOTE (mike96sc2 @ Jun 29 2004, 08:35 PM)
Well it's not as if these people didn't know what they were getting into

true, but they might have thought their country wouldnt sacrafice their lives for nothing...  dry.gif
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: bluedeath on June 30, 2004, 06:06:00 AM
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Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: darth stuart on June 30, 2004, 07:56:00 PM
i think its rediculous that the government is stopping soldiers from retiring even though they've served their time and pulling soldiers retirements. and in the very near future there will probably be a draft. so im kinda scared since im nearly 18 and by the time i do turn 18 ill be drafted.
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: bluedeath on July 01, 2004, 06:02:00 AM
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Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: chefelf on July 01, 2004, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE (Booger Bob @ Jun 29 2004, 07:24 PM)
i dont think there will actually be a draft, but i think people should be happy at the attempt to fuck up some camel jockies

So, what's it like being a racist?
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: darth stuart on July 11, 2004, 07:04:00 PM
there was a thing in the san antonio express news today concerning the draft. and just like f9/11 and moore says, more of the politicians  should send their kids off to war. if they were to instate the draft soon, once i get a job im going to start saving money so i can "visit" my family in scotland. because if i supported the war maybe i would, but ive been against the war since the begining. these are just my feelings, and alot of you older guys are probably reading it and saying, "silly, naive kid *and shakes head*"
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: feflicker on July 13, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
When you join the military you basically sign papers agreeing to the following (in the most basic terms):

- I will fulfill my active duty committment.
- I will be a reservist for x years after my initial committment is filled.
- It is not my job to decide how/where I am used, it is my job to just do it.
- I will die at my Country's request.

Have any of you ever read the agreement? It is so hypocritical to see members of the military trying to back out now because "they don't agree with the war". What? Did they not read the papers they signed? The goverment makes the decisions, we will never know why they make the decisions they do (we cannot know all the facts, obviously, since it is not our jobs to know this type of information), so all you can do is go along with it. If you don't agree, vote in a new administration  wink.gif
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: The unProfessional on July 13, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
QUOTE

If you don't agree, vote in a new administration


Finally someone is making some sense.  Instead of bitching all the time, use your rights and help make a difference.  It takes time, but that's how democracy works.  Bitching never got anyone anywhere.

Joining the military is an agreement with the US gov, and soldiers are often called into duty against their will.  But that was their commitment, and they knew it.  Most honorable soldiers may dread where they're going, but wish to fight for their motherland.  I'm not just referring to US soldiers there.  It's funny calling the US our "motherland".  She's young... and hot.

I highly doubt the American public would ever allow a draft.  It's an archaic principle and simply wouldn't fly in today's world.  Vietnam turned out the way it did for many reasons, however, one of those reasons was the lack of training.  Our recruits were fresh on the rice paddies while the VC (and guerillas) were well-seasoned soldiers.  We'd see the same thing.
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: nemt on July 13, 2004, 12:56:00 PM
The modern draft, in every instance of its exaction, has been written and executed by democrats.  The Bush administration has expressed disagreement with the current bills, proposed by a democrat from new york, to enact a new draft.  Additionally, the modern selective service laws regarding the draft were established in 1994 under clinton, another democrat.

..but somehow it's all about Bush and his crazy war mongering.
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: bluedeath on July 13, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
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Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: nemt on July 13, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE (bluedeath @ Jul 13 2004, 05:58 PM)
The UCMJ is gospel.

I was able to get them to change it around a bit.
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: nemt on July 14, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jul 13 2004, 05:26 PM)
Vote for General Wesley Clark in 04  blink.gif

Leftists for Wes Clark: It's Okay, He Only Bombed White People!
Title: Last Step Before A Draft
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on July 14, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE (nemt @ Jul 13 2004, 03:56 PM)
The modern draft, in every instance of its exaction, has been written and executed by democrats.  The Bush administration has expressed disagreement with the current bills, proposed by a democrat from new york, to enact a new draft.  Additionally, the modern selective service laws regarding the draft were established in 1994 under clinton, another democrat.

..but somehow it's all about Bush and his crazy war mongering.

silly nemt, its always the left side's fault isnt it? rolleyes.gif