Post by: OrkanMan on June 22, 2004, 04:23:00 PM
We would never see one baby kill another baby, but why do people kill other people?
There's really no answer for it. I think, for the first time in my life, that I finally understand why there were so many "hippies" during the 60s/70s. Some of them weren't very responsible when it came to drugs and sex...but I think they had the right idea.
Peace.
Post by: nemt on June 22, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: iwinulose on June 22, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
to bad we cant clone ppl yet cuz thats the bes idea i've herd so far
lol
Post by: melon on June 23, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
Dont you realise these people are fighting for thier freedom?
The west, and especially America has a massive presence in the Middle East.
The fact your country backs Israel doesnt do you any favours either.
Do you think that if you left the middle east and stopped interfering that "terrorists" would continue to be a problem?
You would not hear from Bin Laden again.
Before you start looking at them for organs why not look at some of the proper sick fucks in your own country who are on death row.
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Have you ever read the Koran?
Post by: nemt on June 23, 2004, 03:23:00 AM
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| Have you ever read the Koran? |
Yes, the entire piece, and I'm disgusted by it. I've read less hateful white-power propaganda.
Post by: AnThRaX on June 23, 2004, 03:57:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on June 23, 2004, 04:19:00 AM
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| Yes, the entire piece, and I'm disgusted by it. I've read less hateful white-power propaganda. |
It's a BOOK, nemt, not a PIECE in a magazine. The more I see you post, the less I think you capable of reading anything serious.
Quote me 3 phrases from the Koran which decry Jews or Infidels. They are in there, let's see if you actually read it - it is heavier going than the bible
I have my copy here to check you.BillyT2003 - you are 40 huh? As I am - few of us oldies on these boards. Your views, however, are those of a man suffering with the suffering of his friend - granted, I know how painful that is - but moronic in the extreme. Farm the poor so that the rich shall live? YOU decide who is worthy of life?
And people wonder about GWBush whining "why do they hate us".
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| I do think the rest of the world should stay involved enough though to actively destroy any modern technology that we observe these cretins attempting to make. |
Ditto cretinous people like you - shit, finally speechless at yr stupidity...
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| And hacking someone's head off to make a statement is not a sick attitude to have? |
YES, it is, and not every Muslim, Arab, etc condones or supports it - stop treating everyone as the same because they are "foreign", "anti-American" etc. Stop invading other countries illegally and stop pretending you run the world.
Why are Americans running from North Korea, huh? Because they can kick you back REAL hard. Better just grieve over a few victims who HAPPEN TO BE AMERICAN, rather than face the reality of the million that died in Iraq between the two wars because of sanctions.
I'm wasting my breath on cretins here, I know, and, oh shit, speechless again....Morons
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Post by: AnThRaX on June 23, 2004, 04:27:00 AM
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I think he meant ENTIRE PEACE as in BOOK I don't know how you can misread that as magazine. And the Bible isn't heavy going it's a bunch of non-sense fairy tale all summed up in a little book. I would believe in Winnie The Pooh before I believed in the Bible
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Post by: Intensecure on June 23, 2004, 04:35:00 AM
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Why are Americans running from North Korea, huh? Because they can kick you back REAL hard. Better just grieve over a few victims who HAPPEN TO BE AMERICAN, rather than face the reality of the million that died in Iraq between the two wars because of sanctions.
I'm wasting my breath on cretins here, I know, and, oh shit, speechless again....Morons
Post by: AnThRaX on June 23, 2004, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on June 23, 2004, 04:35:00 AM
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| think he meant ENTIRE PEACE as in BOOK |
Piece, peace? You obviously learnt yr English from Winnie the Pooh as well
Piece usually refers to "a part of", and often a segment in a magazine or TV show. Don't play semantics with me, sonny.When I say "heavy going", I mean *boring* - poor plots, bad characters and heavy moralising
- not difficult to read.
Post by: therebelious1 on June 23, 2004, 04:57:00 AM
Post by: BillyT2003 on June 23, 2004, 05:55:00 AM
Bill T.
Post by: bluedeath on June 23, 2004, 06:07:00 AM
Post by: melon on June 23, 2004, 07:32:00 AM
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| We are definitely despised, but not by Westernized countries |
Actually your wrong. I have a lot of foriegn friends from western countries. Amreica is hated the world over by everyone. Thats ataken for granted as much as the sun rising everyday. Any country that has had to deal with the IMF hates America, and there are a lot of them.
Why do you have to group all muslims together? I have close Turkish friends who are muslim and I have close friends who are Pakistani and Iraqi refugees. They do not want to suicide bomb 10 Downing Street or preach hatred.
Please explain to me where your hatred comes from?
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| What I'm saying is that the terrorists who are killing people publicly and calling them infidels should be farmed for their organs and I hope someday we do it. |
What about the American soldiers who have publically killed 15,000 civillians in this war alone?
All of them should be harvestred for thier organs.
Untill you stop killing civillians I couldnt give a shit if one civillian gets beheaded.
Post by: melon on June 23, 2004, 09:33:00 AM
But every person from Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi etc.. is classed as a muslim, therefore a terrorist and not worthy of life.
Im not saying this is your view, beatbox, but it is a commonly held view in this forum.
A lot of people in these countries are as muslim as i am catholic, and i only go to church for funerals and weddings (and dont even belive in god). Iraq was quite a liberal place when it came to religion and has a sizeable cristian population, there are even Jews in Iraq.
Look at your own country, abortion clinics recieve tremendous intimidation and doctors are attacked leaving work. This is done by religous fanatics is it not?
I wont even start on the bible belt!
The pope and bush both study the same holy book yet have completely different views on world affairs, proved by the popes recent dressing down of bush.
Post by: melon on June 23, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: The unProfessional on June 23, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
(Notice I'm leaving out my own opinions on these issues so as not to start a flame war)
Here in America, anything belonging to the majority is to be condemned. Anything allowing one to express culture or opinion is immediately muted so as not to "offend".
Islam isn't a faith of murder and destruction. However, a westerner reading the Koran will surely come to that conclusion.
Surely, entire faiths or ethnicities shouldn't be judged on their fundamentalists. Lord knows Americans are, too. We all make the mistake of judging... after all, it's the assholes to speak the loudest.
Post by: melon on June 23, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: The unProfessional on June 23, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: gronne on June 23, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
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I don't care if they think of themselves as freedom fighters, if they can behead people without remorse and blow themselves up in cars without a second thought, then they are far sicker than I'll ever hope to be. |
Instead you should probably ask yourself why they don't feel remorse. You should ask yourself why they dislike USA (in specific). I promise you, the answers are similar to why you hate them, but even more so. Read up.
They probably cary as little knowledge about you(america), as you do about them.
They get to learn all the bad things USA do, not the bad things they do, and vice versa.
9/11 didn't happen without a reason. I don't support them, I understand them.
It's all about gaining real knowledge, and above all, ACCEPTING IT.
Post by: gronne on June 23, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 23, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Jun 23 2004, 04:09 PM) |
| Instead you should probably ask yourself why they don't feel remorse. You should ask yourself why they dislike USA (in specific). I promise you, the answers are similar to why you hate them, but even more so. Read up. They probably cary as little knowledge about you(america), as you do about them. They get to learn all the bad things USA do, not the bad things they do, and vice versa. 9/11 didn't happen without a reason. I don't support them, I understand them. It's all about gaining real knowledge, and above all, ACCEPTING IT. |
thank god gronne, well put.
i also like how someone other then me (that i know of) agrees 9/11 wasnt a spur of the moment thing, and people should realize, if we stop dicking around, the terrorists (or muslims that dont want us in thier countries so they can have better lifes, if you want a better term) will stop attacking us
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 24, 2004, 07:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (mirx999 @ Jun 24 2004, 10:14 PM) |
| I have to disagree with you on that point. I have read a good bit of the Koran (english translation) and, from what I've read, our actions aren't the reasons we're attacked, but rather our beliefs. Fundamentalists attacked us because we're Zionists and infidels to them. After 9/11, there were two things we could feasibly do: Make peace with the terrorists, which is against our policy and that of the UN and lets the terrorists off the hook scotch-free, and have a short period of peace until we fuck something else up and get attacked again, Or... Go after them, take out as much of the terrorist threat as possible, and ensure a hopefully longer-lasting peace. The drawbacks here, though, are that it would take longer and cost more money, and that the threat of terrorism would re-emerge at some point. Point is, there really is no way of ridding the world of terror, short of killing everyone in the world. |
well, thats nice and all, but i dont see why the US hasnt been directly attacked as massive as 9/11 (the 1993 attack was the only other one) in the last how many years???
and then all of sudden they attack, out of no where? bullshit
terrorists are people, and i bet you, if bush was kicked out of the white house, and the US stopped fucking around where it shouldnt be (ie, the rest of the world) peace would soon come (at least the peace we knew before 9/11)
you cant tell me terrorism was always a threat to the US...beacause we never had higher interests in other countries until after the cold war (or right during it, when we realized we were the "strongest country in the world", isnt that a coincidence
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Post by: melon on June 25, 2004, 12:56:00 AM
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| i bet you, if bush was kicked out of the white house, and the US stopped fucking around where it shouldnt be (ie, the rest of the world) peace would soon come (at least the peace we knew before 9/11) |
Im sorry Raptor but i will have to disagree with you on this one. Its not just Bush America has always been this way. Bush is just more in your face about it.
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| Make peace with the terrorists, which is against our policy and that of the UN and lets the terrorists off the hook scotch-free |
Look at my country, if we had not started negotiating with the IRA (thanks for funding them by the way!), then we would not have reached the situation we are at now were we are no longer under the threat of bombings.
Terrorists always have an agenda be it trying to liberate Palastine, trying to re-unite a split Ireland, or trying to stop America's globalisation of the Middle East. They always feel they have a just cause and more often than not they do. They use the methods they choose because politically they dont get a look in. Violence forces thier agenda onto the table.
It has happened recently in England. We have a group campaigning for greater parental rights for fathers who have split from thier partners. Many cant see thier own children. They have staged peacefull protests with barely a mention in the press. One of them took it a stage further and threw a flour filled condom at Tony Blair and suddenly it makes front page news and everybody is talking about the issue. Okay they never killed anybody but it is just to illustrate that taking things a step further than is socially accepted raises the profile of your grievance.
It is also obvious that 9/11 wasnt a spur of the moment thing, it was very well planned and co-ordinated.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 25, 2004, 08:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (melon @ Jun 25 2004, 03:56 AM) |
| Im sorry Raptor but i will have to disagree with you on this one. Its not just Bush America has always been this way. Bush is just more in your face about it. |
yea, thats basically what i meant, Bush puts a bigger spin on it, and cuases it to be worse...im just saying, in the 50's, 60's 70's 80's and first 2 years of the 90's, there was no terrorist acts on the US, but it seems once the cold war was over, they started happening, as we started thinking we could rule the world (no USSR = america is god?????)
