Post by: xFusioNx on June 05, 2004, 11:48:00 AM
Hopefully he keeps it simple.
Post by: cainedna on June 05, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on June 05, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
The first President I voted for, and the President I joined the Marine Corps under.
Rest In Peace, Ronnie!
Post by: CHRONOSTORM on June 05, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
he dies.
horse comes so close to win all the races in the triple crown
started rainin on my uncles wedding day
Suckin'
<silence starts>
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on June 05, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: Arvarden on June 05, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
RIP
Post by: nfs911 on June 06, 2004, 04:08:00 AM
Post by: bluedeath on June 06, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jun 5 2004, 10:31 PM) |
| 93 years. The first President I voted for, and the President I joined the Marine Corps under. Rest In Peace, Ronnie! |
Rrrgghh!
Post by: nemt on June 06, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Arvarden on June 07, 2004, 05:44:00 AM
Thank God
Thankyou
Halelluia
...you get the gist
Post by: GamerBR on June 07, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (cityson @ Jun 7 2004, 02:29 PM) |
| If Bush died like reagen did what would you say? |
i repeat your question
Post by: Intensecure on June 07, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| he was able to die knowing he served his people well |
Well, he wasn't able to, as he had Alzheimers and couldn't remember anything during the Contra-gate scanadal either (conveniently).
A puppet, pulled by many strings. An actor who believed the USSR was "the beast" from Revelations in the bible.
A "Statesman", whose wife consulted astrologers before allowing him to make decisions.
A buffoon, who allowed tomato ketchup to be classified as a "vegetable" for the purpose of cutting costs on subsidised school meals.
93 wasted years.
Post by: Banj on June 07, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
.....oh, the humanity!
Post by: Intensecure on June 08, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| his policies may not have worked but at least he had some, he implemented them and brought the country together |
You will understand, if others won't, why, with a copy of "Hegemony or Survival" in my hands after driving to Singapore to procure one, why I indulge in what Americans call the "horses laugh".
I respect yr opinion, but Reagan was a puppet of a deeper system of government that set a precedent for what you/we now reap.
http://www.guardian....1233866,00.html
Post by: nemt on June 08, 2004, 05:37:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on June 08, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Yeah, that whole winning the cold war without any casualties on either side is totally eclipsed by the ketchup-vegetable "scandal." |
And, of course, had nothing to do with the pre-emptive actions of Mikhail Gorbachev who initiated unilateral disarmament while Ronnie the senile muttered about "666" and the marks on Mikhails forehead
Go read something intelligent - Reagan DID NOT win the cold war.
Post by: nemt on June 08, 2004, 08:46:00 AM
If Reagan weren't in charge in the 80s, the Berlin wall would still be up to this day.
Post by: muerte on June 08, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 10, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jun 8 2004, 04:25 PM) |
| And, of course, had nothing to do with the pre-emptive actions of Mikhail Gorbachev who initiated unilateral disarmament while Ronnie the senile muttered about "666" and the marks on Mikhails forehead Go read something intelligent - Reagan DID NOT win the cold war. |
You extremists are all alike; take a kernel of truth and twist it with fallacies. Go vent your frustrations somewhere else.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on June 11, 2004, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on June 11, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I recommend reading Deterring Democracy by Noam Chomsky if you're interested in reading something intelligent about the cold war. |
I have, several times. Worth re-reading if you have forgotten some facts. Reagan refused initially to sign the non-proliferation treaty due to fear that it was a "ploy", cue Dr Strangelove type quotes...
"the “Evil Empire” that is “the focus of evil in our time,” seeking to rule the world (Reagan)
| QUOTE |
| "Reagan DID NOT win the cold war." It takes 2 to tango |
Yes, it does. And someone takes the lead...And, yes, of course there were positive actions taken on both sides - But someone has to play Devils Advocate.
| QUOTE |
| You extremists are all alike; take a kernel of truth and twist it with fallacies. Go vent your frustrations somewhere else. |
No, I'll make my points here, thank you. Always more fun because some of you have a) no sense of history
no sense of irony c) get sooo wound up it's always causes much hilarity at Intensecure Mansion where we anarchists gather to plot your downfall! When you can construct an argument, it might be worth replying to - haven't seen any!
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 11, 2004, 08:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jun 11 2004, 11:39 AM) |
| No, I'll make my points here, thank you. Always more fun because some of you have a) no sense of history no sense of irony c) get sooo wound up it's always causes much hilarity at Intensecure Mansion where we anarchists gather to plot your downfall! When you can construct an argument, it might be worth replying to - haven't seen any! |
You go girl!
Post by: Heet on June 12, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: Intensecure on June 12, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
And I hope Nancy lives to be 120!
Reagan, fact and fantasy
Greg Palast says condemnation, not praise, is ex-President's due
Sunday June 13, 2004
The Observer
You shouldn't speak ill of the dead. But in this case, I have to. Ronald Reagan was a conman. A coward. A killer.
In 1987 I found myself stuck in a little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get antibiotics. But Reagan had put a embargo on medicine to Nicaragua because he didn't like the government the people had elected.
As Ronnie was cracking those famous jokes, the lungs of that mother of three were filling up and drowning her.
And when Hizbollah terrorists murdered hundreds of United States marines in their sleep in Lebanon, the TV warrior with the B-movie grin ran from the scene like a whipped dog ... then turned around and invaded Grenada. That little Club Med war was a murderous PR stunt so that Ronnie could hold parades for gunning down Cubans building an airport.
I remember Nancy, in designer dresses, some of the 'gifts' that flowed to the Reagans - from hats to million-dollar homes - from cronies well compensated with government loot. It used to be called bribery.
The New York Times wrote that Reagan projected 'faith in small town America' and 'old-time values'. Values, my ass. It was union busting and a declaration of war on the poor and anyone who couldn't buy designer dresses. It was the New Meanness, bringing starvation back to America so that every millionaire could get another million.
And then, in the White House basement he condoned a coup d'état against an elected Congress. Reagan's Defence Secretary, Casper Weinberger, with the crazed colonel, Ollie North, plotted to give guns to the Monster of the Mideast, Ayatollah Khomeini.
Reagan's boys called Jimmy Carter a weenie and a wuss, although Carter wouldn't give an inch to the Ayatollah. Reagan, with that film-fantasy tough-guy con in front of the cameras, went to Khomeini to plead on bended knee for the release of our hostages.
Ollie North flew to Iran with a birthday cake for the maniac - no kidding - in the shape of a key. The key to Ronnie's heart.
Then the Reagan roaches added crime to cowardice: taking cash from the hostage-takers to buy guns for the 'Contras' - the drug runners of Nicaragua posing as freedom fighters.
In Chaguitillo, all night long, farmers stayed awake to guard their children from attack by Reagan's Contra terrorists. The farmers weren't even Sandinistas, those 'commies' that our cracked-brained President told us were 'only a 48-hour drive from Texas'.
Nevertheless, the farmers and their families were Ronnie's targets. And I remember in the deserted darkness of Chaguitillo, a TV blared. Weirdly, it was that third-rate gangster movie Brother Rat. Starring Ronald Reagan. Well, my friends, you can rest easier tonight: the Rat is dead. From me, Ronald Reagan, goodbye and good riddance.
Post by: Intensecure on June 13, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 13, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jun 13 2004, 06:01 AM) |
| Although few of you will care... |
Now you're getting it.
Post by: Intensecure on June 13, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Now you're getting it. |
And I'm still having fun posting it...and you're still reading it
And there are undoubtedly more intelligent minds that don't feel the need to post little retorts
But, at least you have a sense of humour
As does the person who posted the cartoon; who is that masked man??
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 13, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jun 14 2004, 05:19 AM) |
| And there are undoubtedly more intelligent minds that don't feel the need to post little retorts |
As there are those more intelligent minds that don't feel the need to waste their time making pointless false accusations, who go and DO things to make this world a better place, rather then complain endlessly.
Post by: Intensecure on June 13, 2004, 09:53:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| false accusations |
Truth hurts, does it?
Hundreds of thousands of people died in South America under the Reagan regime.
So maybe a sense of humour failure IS appropriate.
Go forth, and make the world a better place.
Post by: Foe-hammer on June 13, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Boba_Fett on June 15, 2004, 06:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (Intensecure @ Jun 14 2004, 06:53 AM) |
| |
Regardless of whether this is out of humor or seriousness, you are the worst kind of bastard. If you honestly believe we are worse than the likes of North Korea, China, or most of the middle east, then I'd like to invite you to have this nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP, you ignorant moron. Damn, what is this planet coming to?
Post by: BloodyMary on June 16, 2004, 05:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 16 2004, 03:27 PM) |
| Intensecure: Do you even live in America? |
No he lives in some piss-ant 3rd world country where they suck sand out of dead camel butts to get their daily dietary supplement...
Post by: Intensecure on June 16, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| No he lives in some piss-ant 3rd world country where they suck sand out of dead camel butts to get their daily dietary supplement... |
I believe that is called Texas...
Yes, I have lived and studied in America, my family has lived in America for the last 20 years. Although I am British, brought up partly in Europe, spent the last 20 yrs in the UK before moving to SE Asia. I have travelled across every continent except Africa. I've seen a few things from both sides over 40 years
Although nationality should make no difference to one's ability to make a statement either way.
FYI - that banner was made by the (American!) guy who created AutoCad/Autodesk, one of the more successful software companies in America. His website is very interesting and non-political (well, most of it!) and worth a visit, www.fourmilab.ch where he has written some neat astronomical software and some great articles. And sells that banner on mugs etc...which is inflammatory!
The banner was purely an ironic statement (which is why people like Bloodymary, who suffer from "irony deficiency" get so amusingly riled up) in response to Foe-hammers amusing comments.
I do not wish the American people to get harmed, or for a major terrorist attack on the US, if that was yr misinterpretation - no sane person would. I hope, however, that US govt policy changes to reflect world opinion, as well as the majority of US opinion, and settles matters in Iraq quickly, and reflects more deeply on it's role in the "war on terror", which will lead to greater world instability if not corrected.
Item: North Korea has nukes. US backs off. Message: Nukes create power. Consequence: States will work harder to get nuclear capability.
Saddam had nothing - he was the easy target for political gain.
For those upset, don't take it personally - think harder about why one side sees things one way, and the other side the other. The point was - Reagan saw the USSR as the Evil Empire, did they see his Empire as the same? Hence the banner. Provocative? Good!
Post by: xFusioNx on June 17, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
Anyway. It's good to know that I signed up for the military to defend the rights of fascists pricks like you!
Ok ok I know I'm just kidding. In all seriousness, I signed up to fight for MY country, MY family and friends, and MY beliefs. I'll fight to stop people from assaulting my home until my dying breath. That's just me.
The only way to change things is to take initiative for yourself. Sitting around and bitching and making asshole statements about people you don't even know in real life is not the way to initiate change. Getting off of your computer chair and voting, or running for office maybe? or fighting to make a difference is the only way to enact change. It's a difficult road and impossible for most, but at the end of the day you'll know you made the choice to change your environment rather than sit and critique it.
You seem like an edd-uumaaa-cated person so you should already know this.
Bitch about Reagan in a different thread, this one is meant to show respect for him.
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 01:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:12 PM) |
| I didn't post that to incite an argument. |
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:12 PM) |
| don't you have a cock to choke on or something? |
It's not pessimism, one vote does NOT matter in the presidential election, even if the president were directly elected by the popular vote, one vote would still be, for all intents and purposes, meaningless.
I'm not against voting, I just find you and your arguments ridiculous.
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:34 PM) |
| if 1000 fucks like you don't vote that starts to add up. |
| QUOTE (nemt @ Jun 17 2004, 06:23 PM) |
| I'm not against voting |
..and here you are telling me to "re read" a post.
One vote doesn't matter, moron. If someone doesn't want to vote, there's reason to preach to him or her. One person not voting doesn't trigger thousands of other not voting anymore than someone voting will rally thousands to vote as well. Your opinion, much like yourself, is ignorant and irrelevent.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 17, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:57 PM) |
| You sir are only looking for an argument and are good at taking things out of context. When you can wrap your head around a political conversation, come on back. |
Okay, I think I get it: I'm the one looking for an argument, but you're the one hurling homosexual insults and profanity at me without being provoked...interesting.
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:57 PM) |
| If you read my post you'd see I said I wasnt inciting argument, which you obviously thought, I was just stating my views to Intensecure. If you are his lover and want to defend him that's fine |
I didn't think you were inciting an argument with your initial post, but you chose to argue after I pointed out the flaws in your post...and what's with all the homosexual insults over and over? "I'm not going to argue with you, you cock loving gay lover." You contradict yourself so much you could probably show John Kerry a thing or two.
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:57 PM) |
| Anyways... I'd tell you to go and have a drink and chill out but you cant yet, oh and by the way, how would you know ANYTHING about voting in a presidential election when you haven't yet. I bet you haven't taken your lazy ass off of your computer long enough to even register to vote on anything within your district, essentially you probably haven't even voted at all since you turned 18. |
Actually, I've been registered since I turned 18, and I'm running in a local election for a state office on the independent ticket, but that's okay, you can live in your fantasy world where anyone who disagrees with you or points out your lack of intelligence is just some loser sitting in front of a PC (and hey, it's largely true on the internet anyway!)
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 06:57 PM) |
| Oh well. When you have experience sufficient enough to base an opinion on, come on back. |
It's not about opinion, it's about fact. One vote doesn't matter - not in the electoral college process, and not in the popular vote contest. Telling people "if you don't like it, vote" is moronic and childish, if people wanted to hear that, they would watch MTV instead of going to a videogame website's politics forum.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 17, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Jun 17 2004, 06:27 PM) |
| a videogame website's politics forum. |
that sums it all up
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| Well good for you. I hope you win. Please let me know what the name of the place is so I can watch the headlines for the place to erupt into chaos. |
NYS Assembly 92nd District
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| You definitely provoked me, you called me and my views ignorant and irrelevant. The brain stem comment kinda was thrown at me too. |
They are ignorant, and they are irrelevent, and someone doesn't need to be a homosexual to see that. Like I said, anyone with a brainstem should be able to.
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| Oh well regardless, I'm not the only one on here that thinks your an idiot anyway. So... |
There's lots of idiots here who like to insult anyone who proves them wrong on many occassions, you're no different. I'm smarter than you, and I understand politics better than anyone you know, "xFusioNx."
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| This ends our discussion then I guess. |
As it should, you had no place posting your comments in a thread meant to honor Ronald Reagan anyway.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 17, 2004, 04:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Jun 17 2004, 07:27 PM) |
| NYS Assembly 92nd District They are ignorant, and they are irrelevent, and someone doesn't need to be a homosexual to see that. Like I said, anyone with a brainstem should be able to. There's lots of idiots here who like to insult anyone who proves them wrong on many occassions, you're no different. I'm smarter than you, and I understand politics better than anyone you know, "xFusioNx." As it should, you had no place posting your comments in a thread meant to honor Ronald Reagan anyway. |
nemt, why do you continue to live ??
all you say is, "im smarter, im better, blah blah, blow me" and all anyone hears is "im a little kid, dont pay attention to me, as i dont know what the fuck im talking about"
how can you even say your smarter or know more politics, when your only rebutle is "you spealt that word rong (o shit, sp....!!!11!!!!11!!)"
for once, use some valid points, with proof to back them up, and stop calling people point of views ignorant or dumb (its a point of view, no one cares what the fuck you think, thats like giving your reply to an editoral, no one wants to hear you), jesus, i dont like name calling but you sound like a 8 yr old kid, my nephew is better mannered.
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 05:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 10:02 PM) |
| And another thing... I'm asking this as a legit question... seriously! If you're only 18, how are you running for office? I thought you had to have at least some kind of politcal background as well as a bachelors in something at least. Isn't there a minimum age too? I thought it was 25. Thanks in advance for your enlightening answers. |
No public office in the country carries an education requirement (though I doubt there have been many in congress without at least a college degree). State offices in New York only require candidates be residents of the state (or district/county) for a minimum amount of time, and at least 18.
"You're not smarter than me, but please answer my question containing ridiculous assumption, thanks."
Post by: xFusioNx on June 17, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
I was seriously asking you a legitimate question and you say that?
Just because you know something about one topic that I have limited interest in doesn't make you smarter than me. Oh and by the way, I'm not from New York so how the fuck would I know what the requirements are to run for political office in your state. Thanks for proving me right dipshit.
One final point.
You said you registered to vote when you turned 18 correct? Well if one person's vote doesn't count then why the fuck did you register?
Later man.
Post by: nemt on June 17, 2004, 05:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 10:20 PM) |
| See fucker? You just proved what a fucking asshole you are. |
You're the one dropping f bombs left and right on a family-friendly website's forum.
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 10:20 PM) |
| Just because you know something about one topic that I have limited interest in doesn't make you smarter than me. Oh and by the way, I'm not from New York so how the fuck would I know what the requirements are to run for political office in your state. Thanks for proving me right dipshit. |
If you have limited interest in politics why are you preaching at people to register to vote? You don't need to be from New York to know no electoral office has any requirements beyond residency and age, you just need to have a basic understanding of government, which you obviously don't, so again: why are you telling people what they should and should not do in regards to voting?
| QUOTE (xFusioNx @ Jun 17 2004, 10:20 PM) |
| You said you registered to vote when you turned 18 correct? Well if one person's vote doesn't count then why the fuck did you register? |
There's a vast number of benefits to voter registration which have little or nothing to do with actually voting. I don't plan on skipping out on voting anytime soon, even though one vote doesn't matter on a national level - because locally, elections are much tighter races. You can twist words however you want, you're still a moron.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 17, 2004, 06:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (nemt @ Jun 17 2004, 08:41 PM) |
| You can twist words however you want, you're still a moron. |
and you dont twist words........
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 17, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: Boba_Fett on June 18, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (alikaz @ Jun 18 2004, 04:19 AM) |
| i go back to the orignal question: WHEN THE F@#K WILL BUSH DIE? |
Even better, when will you die? Hmm... it seems as if not many people around here like to stay on topic
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on June 18, 2004, 07:57:00 AM
see, thats how we get off topic