Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 31, 2003, 07:24:00 AM
We ALL know french fries were given to us by our Alien progenitors as proof of god. They're so yum diddly umptios, how could they not prrof that a being of incredible power exists simply to allow such goodness to be?
ehb
Post by: evilhomer on January 08, 2004, 10:24:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| i cant name one good thing he has done for this country |
I can
1: He is one of the first presidents to really show why you should not F*ck with the U.S.A
2: He has turned around a stock market nosedive that started with clinton and exploded durning 9/11
3: EXPOSED how the gov't really works (i'm sorry if you think the gov't could not screw you over before the pat. act, all they had to do was plant some evedence, and that's not very hard.) Now the people know
4: He is the only president that stands up for what he thinks, unlike clinton who said "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" insted up walking up to his wife and tell her to pack her shit.
GO U.S.A!
(Random Homer Simpson's quote: Keep up the roughhousing, boy. Without a strong male presence you could go sissy any moment! Oh, these stubborn grass stains!)
Post by: HeLiuM on January 09, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
and where do you get off thinking he actually helped the country economically
Post by: AnThRaX on January 09, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (evilhomer @ Jan 8 2004, 02:24 PM) | ||
I can 1: He is one of the first presidents to really show why you should not F*ck with the U.S.A 2: He has turned around a stock market nosedive that started with clinton and exploded durning 9/11 3: EXPOSED how the gov't really works (i'm sorry if you think the gov't could not screw you over before the pat. act, all they had to do was plant some evedence, and that's not very hard.) Now the people know 4: He is the only president that stands up for what he thinks, unlike clinton who said "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" insted up walking up to his wife and tell her to pack her shit. GO U.S.A! (Random Homer Simpson's quote: Keep up the roughhousing, boy. Without a strong male presence you could go sissy any moment! Oh, these stubborn grass stains!) |
And we also have a president that
1. Didn't even serve his rich ass in the national guard like he was supposed to. So he is a pussy!
2. Trys to solve problems that his father failed to do years ago.
3. I can go on and on just with minor and major stuff!
Post by: drunkmunk on January 11, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| "By going after Iraq, a country who was not, by any stretch of the word, a threat to the US? Meanwhile, the good thing we HAD going in Afghanistan was left to become its own mess. Now nearly 500 US soldiers have died for no reason. Also, now that Bush has cried wolf and pissed of 90% of the world, who's gonna have our back when we *really* need it?" |
who the hell has "had our back" prior to this? the same people that have our backs now: namely England and Australia. The only time Germany or France help out with shit is if it is in their own fucking backyard (like the Balkans) which by the way we still have 5 times more troops there then those assholes anyway. Besides that who is really gonna fuck with us anyway? Korea? fuck no they can't afford a war and they know it they were using to nukes to get some economic help. In my opinion we shoulda fucking went after their asses first (but they have no oil).
| QUOTE |
| "Clinton led the biggest economic expansion in history" |
yeah during the "dotcom boom" like that was anything he did. as a matter of fact because it didn't get regulated it led partly to where we're at now
| QUOTE |
| "Yeah, how terrible to lie about a blow job. Bush, and his administration, instead of lying about something as *horrible* as oral sex, said "Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction," "Iraq is capable of launching an attack on our allies within 45 minutes," Iraq possesses enough sarin and VX nerve agent to fill 4,500 warheads." Plus, you think Bush is behind these policies?" |
If you think that coming into Iraq isn't making a difference take a look at libya and Iran. do you really think political negotiating them to start making steps to get rid of their WMD? fuck no!! raw, brute power and us sitting on there fucking doorstep made them start thinking about that. Whether we came to Iraq for the right reasons or not doesn't change the fact that we're here and we're going to help make changes.
drunkmunk
Post by: muggs on January 11, 2004, 11:13:00 PM
muggs
Post by: pil_grim on January 12, 2004, 05:38:00 AM
Post by: Colonel32 on January 13, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
Many of you agreed with him that the 1st contracts should go only to coalition countries - what do you say now?
And as someone mentioned, what do all you Bush lovers think about one of his former guys coming out in print and on record saying Bush really doesn't do anything but give press conferences. The same guy who got fired for being right about the tax cuts in hindsight...............
You guys still loving those brilliant tax cuts - seems to have worked by the amount of ignorant people here claiming the economy has improved. I wonder how you can think the economy has improved when the deficit has sky rocketed. Its nothing more than maxing out a credit card
Every single action the Bush regime has done has mirrored Reagon from the tax cuts to the war on terrorism to the loosening on all of the environment bills. That was also the last time you had a face in the white house rather than a mind
Post by: HiRoll3r on January 14, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Many of you agreed with him that the 1st contracts should go only to coalition countries - what do you say now? |
They'll say it's a great idea, long time coming, because these sheep will agree with anything that comes out of Bush's mouth (well, nothing actually comes out of his mouth. It's actually the ventriloquist's voice you hear), even if it totally contradicts what was "correct" yesterday. These people have no issues nor priciples of their own, and therefore will quickly assimilate the party line as their own.
Post by: Hoppy on January 14, 2004, 08:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (Colonel32 @ Jan 13 2004, 11:10 PM) |
| Every single action the Bush regime has done has mirrored Reagon from the tax cuts to the war on terrorism to the loosening on all of the environment bills. That was also the last time you had a face in the white house rather than a mind |
Yeah, Regan was such a fuckin' idiot. He showed everyone that by stomping a mudhole in Communism's ass.
Post by: HiRoll3r on January 14, 2004, 08:29:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Yeah, Regan was such a fuckin' idiot. He showed everyone that by stomping a mudhole in Communism's ass. |
Name one thing Reagan did to break up the USSR besides asking "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall."
And, by the way, Reagan was an idiot.
Post by: Colonel32 on January 14, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Yeah, Regan was such a fuckin' idiot. He showed everyone that by stomping a mudhole in Communism's ass. |
I honestly can't believe that you said that
Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 14, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
NO!!!! is unpinned!!!! , Dont let it die!!!! 
Post by: Aunt_Jemima on January 14, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 14, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (Aunt_Jemima @ Jan 14 2004, 09:47 PM) |
| It SHOULD be unpinned. Everyone knows now. |
SHUT UP!! and go make me some pancakes!!
Post by: AnThRaX on January 14, 2004, 04:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (mirx999 @ Jan 14 2004, 08:26 PM) |
| It's like George Carlin says: We love fucking with brown people. |
its like jelly beans everyone hates the black ones
Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 14, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Jan 14 2004, 10:30 PM) | ||
its like jelly beans everyone hates the black ones |
Post by: Hoppy on January 14, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (HiRoll3r @ Jan 14 2004, 01:29 PM) | ||
Name one thing Reagan did to break up the USSR besides asking "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall." And, by the way, Reagan was an idiot. |
He outspent them. It was mostly a pissing contest, and Regan just kept on dumping money into the military.
Can we let this thread die now please.
Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 14, 2004, 06:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hoppy @ Jan 15 2004, 12:11 AM) | ||||
He outspent them. It was mostly a pissing contest, and Regan just kept on dumping money into the military. Can we let this thread die now please. |
why? , im very happy that saddam is going to the chair.
Post by: brahm2 on January 14, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Jan 14 2004, 09:29 PM) |
| Is this... or is this not... the biggest thread in Xbox-Scene history?? |
nah, old-school contest threads got 1100++ replies. This is pretty big for general chat though.
Post by: Colonel32 on January 14, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| What brought down the USSR was Gorbachev himself. He realized that the Communist party in Russia was too corrupt, and that they were hurting the russian people by not participating in the new global economy. That's why perestroika was initiated soon after he took office, and the USSR collapsed soon thereafter. |
This thread should be gone but everyone of age to vote should look into some of these issues and place and educated vote - Our govt is militarizing space and setting back human rights at an amazing pace and for the sake of future generations everyone needs to try and curb this hegemony.
Go look into party platforms and decide what you agree with before you vote
Post by: HiRoll3r on January 15, 2004, 06:15:00 AM
It's gotten waaay off topic as it is, and I'm sure we'll end up continuing these sorts of discussions as November gets closer.
Post by: AkumAPRIME on January 22, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
go green
ehb
Post by: chad000 on December 14, 2003, 01:21:00 AM
Post by: esj on December 14, 2003, 02:30:00 AM
what a shame a true hero arrested
Post by: esj on December 14, 2003, 02:35:00 AM
Post by: Johno on December 14, 2003, 02:54:00 AM
Great news, now straight the the electric chair plz!
Post by: ianaspace on December 14, 2003, 02:36:00 AM
i think they should hang him, he will die slower.
Post by: Methius on December 14, 2003, 03:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (esj @ Dec 14 2003, 11:54 AM) |
| yes its true done a dna test what a shame a true hero arrested |
Hero?!?!
Post by: shinomen on December 14, 2003, 03:22:00 AM
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 04:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (esj @ Dec 14 2003, 06:54 AM) |
| yes its true done a dna test what a shame a true hero arrested |
:grr: To esj: Shut the fuck up. The fucker killed millions of his own people and you call him a HERO?! :grr:
:beer: To all the troops in Iraq: Job well done. :beer:
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 04:03:00 AM
U.S. forces have captured Saddam Hussein, U.S civil administrator L. Paul Bremer announced today
Bremer: 'The tyrant is a prisoner'
Saddam found hiding in basement of rural farmhouse near Tikrit
No shots fired by U.S. 4th Infantry and special operations forces
U.S. commander: Prisoner is 'talkative and cooperative'
What Do You think?
How does this affect you? Does It?
Will this Change anything for the US?
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 04:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| What Do You think? |
I'm just happy they caught the fucker alive. Now he can face everything he's done.
| QUOTE |
| Will this Change anything for the US? |
"And in other news the Stock Market closed at 10 million points." :lol:
This post has been edited by Hoppy: Dec 14 2003, 12:06 PM
Post by: Nathan561 on December 14, 2003, 03:45:00 AM
Post by: esj on December 14, 2003, 04:26:00 AM
i think he is the only one who understands my feelings of america
Post by: KenCuz on December 14, 2003, 04:33:00 AM
This post has been edited by KenCuz: Dec 14 2003, 05:24 PM
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 04:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (esj @ Dec 14 2003, 08:50 AM) |
| the man is a hero i think he is the only one who understands my feelings of america |
Yeah, because true hero's so often let their people live in poverty while they build themselves palaces. <_<
The best part is that they found him hiding like a little fucking bitch. Everyone said he'd go down fighting.
*edit*
Where's drunkmunk? I'd like to hear what he has to say.
This post has been edited by Hoppy: Dec 14 2003, 12:36 PM
Post by: esj on December 14, 2003, 04:47:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Alot of people died because of his bitch ass.hoe |
how many have died because of bush???
Post by: KenCuz on December 14, 2003, 04:20:00 AM
Post by: WaRnINg| on December 14, 2003, 04:25:00 AM
Binladen were comming for you!
Post by: Xbox-Savage on December 14, 2003, 04:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (WaRnINg| @ Dec 14 2003, 10:25 AM) |
| 1 down one to go.. Binladen were comming for you! |
you got that right buddy!!!
THE CHAIR, GIVE HIM THE CHAIR AND BROADCAST IT NATIONWIDE WHILE HE GETS FRIED!!Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 04:40:00 AM
photo
Post by: Xbox-Savage on December 14, 2003, 04:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Dec 14 2003, 10:40 AM) |
| <HSDEMONZ2> I thought they caught bin laden when I saw that photo |
yeah me too
Post by: animex2 on December 14, 2003, 04:46:00 AM
Post by: Xbox-Savage on December 14, 2003, 04:53:00 AM
get a little drunk and you might confuse him by "Santa Claus"
Post by: Heet on December 14, 2003, 04:57:00 AM
Post by: insertjokehere on December 14, 2003, 04:57:00 AM
When BinLadenTM is found who has to be the new enemy? If you think about it logically, there has allways been a hun to slay for all time. Before the 20th century everybody who disagreed with you was the devil, then it was the germans, when the Nazis were defeated it was the communists and now its onto terrorists after the fall of communism. Dont get me wrong I live in the UK and I am not out to make out that i live a hard existance, but i do feel that the media has bulled a rug over many people's eyes for too long. There are as many people who resign to believe anything as there are people who hold pointless demonstrations (or should i say demonizations) with the attitude "my country allways bad". Whoever keeps on saying that bush is more of a tyrant that Saddam needs thier head examening, or needs to listen to less Rage agains the Machine. How could you possibly compare someone who choked on a pretzel to someone who gassed thousands (not millions) of kurds?
And that "We Got Him!" messaged followed by cheers and jeers seemed more in place at Wrestlemania than a international, historical moment.
Post by: Dahak on December 14, 2003, 05:00:00 AM
Post by: Perkele on December 14, 2003, 05:03:00 AM
Post by: kidvicious on December 14, 2003, 05:05:00 AM
haha, thats such a funny comparison, choked on a pretzel, hahaha
Post by: Heet on December 14, 2003, 05:05:00 AM
Post by: insertjokehere on December 14, 2003, 05:08:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| QUOTE (insertjokehere @ Dec 14 2003, 09:57 AM) When BinLadenTM is found who has to be the new enemy? Where there is one Bin-Laden, there is about a thousand people willing to step in for him. It doesn't matter if they find him, there will still be terrorists. It's been said millions of times by millions of people. |
Good point, but there are also terrorists in northern island, and in many south east asian countries that are funded by some US assets. I has been known for years that there are many people and organisations in the US who fund the IRA and countless other terrist organisations
Post by: Heet on December 14, 2003, 05:11:00 AM
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Post by: J-villehustla on December 14, 2003, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: insertjokehere on December 14, 2003, 05:15:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I know Saddam isn't/wasn't the primary terrorist force behind many attacks......but he was a huge jerk anyhow...and deserves to be punished (be it death or otherwise) I'm glad they caught the monster and I hope they let every iraqi punch him in the face....TWICE |
Good Call
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: B1ff on December 14, 2003, 05:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (Perkele @ Dec 14 2003, 04:07 PM) | ||
And after he gassed Iranian ppl... |
He was merrily gassing Iraqi people at the time as well, mind you. But he was a strategic interest nonetheless.
Anyway, good job on catching him. The man surely deserves to be put on trial for his crimes against his own people.
It's a shame however that this catch might boost Bush's popularity. Otherwise, with this man's track record of sorely neglecting the country and the deficit, people would see more clearly that this is one president that doesn't deserve another round.
Post by: netscan on December 14, 2003, 05:22:00 AM
In a shit-hole of course!
Fry in hell ya bastard!
USA
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: LepPpeR on December 14, 2003, 05:36:00 AM
Note: I woud like to thank the French, Germans, and Russians for the wide range of help and support with the coalition forces and their role in capturing Saddam.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 05:44:00 AM
Post by: TimmyP on December 14, 2003, 05:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (esj @ Dec 14 2003, 02:11 PM) | ||
how many have died because of bush??? |
Not nearly as many, and thats a BIG ****ING NEARLY.
I cant believe you call Saddam a hero. He is nothing but a murderer. And you, have the thoughts of a terrorist.
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 05:54:00 AM
Post by: XBoxgeek on December 14, 2003, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: _SCaRfaCe on December 14, 2003, 06:04:00 AM
like drew carey says... 1 million points to bush
.... now go get osama
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 06:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Dec 14 2003, 09:18 AM) |
| |
LOL.... maybe they should have put a portable latrine over the hole before officially taking him into custody (after disarming him, of course).
I imagine there wre severl hundred troops in the area who probably could have each taken a heaping MRE-fueled dump in the hole before they pulled him out.
Post by: chevi on December 14, 2003, 06:11:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Saddam Down. Osama left, Bush relected......GOD BLESS AMERICA - Note: I woud like to thank the French, Germans, and Russians for the wide range of help and support with the coalition forces and their role in capturing Saddam. |
that´s the problem of americans...you think somebody who doesn´t help you it´s against you...I´m spanish, my country has troops there, the goverment sent them there BUT aprox the 85% of spanish population is against this. You can´t even imagine the stupid you seem when changing name to food like french fries to liberty fries.....all world saw it and we all though it was sooooo stupid, or when we see you all runing to supermarkets buying gas masks, food, lanterns and so
. You should understand europe doesn´t love war as much as you, military industry doesn´t rule our countries. If killing Sadam had been the propose of Gulf War 2, then you would have thrown a famous "Donald Rumsfeld´s MOAB" at his palace when he where there with his familiy and....game over. But hey, there´s a lot of missiles to spend and a lot of oil to take, some roads to build and money to earn....Yes, this is very good news, world will be better without Sadam, and without Osama when somebody finds him......but it would also have been without so many dictators in south america in last quarter of 20th century with USA help...don´t forget this
I recommend you all Michael Moore´s Bowling For Columbine
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (_SCaRfaCe @ Dec 14 2003, 11:04 AM) |
| wow... this is huge.. i pity the guy.. i dont feel sorry for him but my pity toward him comes from the humiliation he's feeling and the fear knowing he's gonna get his ass seriously kicked. like drew carey says... 1 million points to bush .... now go get osama |
From what the press has said so far, he was quite talkative after being captured, and said he was tired of running. Don't pity him. He's going to get whatever's coming to him eventually.
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 06:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (alikaz @ Dec 14 2003, 10:05 AM) |
| im not suporting saddam for wut hes done to his people, but i still wonder where these so called weapons of mass destruction are hidden, considering the country has been under control by us forces for about a year now, ok THESE ARE FUCKIN HUGE ASS WEAPONS, you cant jus move them in ur pocckets, i mean it will be ok if they had found SOME weapons but they havent found even ONE. next, any one here actually have ANY idea how mnay people (innocent ones) have diied in this war for NO reason?, if you are gonna turn to ur local meidia for the answer to my question then you are as blind. im sorry this war will end up startin more hate then the hate it was suposed to end |
Maybe you should try READING the evidence...because while no weapons have actually been found, there is a TON of evidence that Saddam was actively developing and stockpiling WMDs.
Try actually READING the official David Kay report, that the media ignorantly claimed as proof that "no WMDS were found"
There most certainly WAS plenty going on. That the weapons are still well hidden and/or moved to other countries is still very likely (more so than not). What the report says is that nothing was found so far, and that plenty of evidence supports the conclusion that, given enough time and access, the weapons WILL BE FOUND.
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 06:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (Perkele @ Dec 14 2003, 09:28 AM) |
| He used gasbombs during the 8 year war against Iran, you know, the war where the US supported him. . |
Actually, the U.S. was WAY down on the list, behind the French, Germans, Russians... both in aid and weapons sales.
The U.S. moved quickly to distance themselves from Saddam and his regime after word got out about the tactics used int he Iran-Iraqi war.
But then again, you probably know that. If you did, you are a disengenuous prick.
If you didn't know that, then start educating yourself and stop listening to the disengenuous pricks who sow anarchy and disenfranchisement in the world.
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 06:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (chevi @ Dec 14 2003, 10:11 AM) | ||
that´s the problem of americans...you think somebody who doesn´t help you it´s against you...I´m spanish, my country has troops there, the goverment sent them there BUT aprox the 85% of spanish population is against this. You can´t even imagine the stupid you seem when changing name to food like french fries to liberty fries.....all world saw it and we all though it was sooooo stupid, or when we see you all runing to supermarkets buying gas masks, food, lanterns and so . You should understand europe doesn´t love war as much as you, military industry doesn´t rule our countries. If killing Sadam had been the propose of Gulf War 2, then you would have thrown a famous "Donald Rumsfeld´s MOAB" at his palace when he where there with his familiy and....game over. But hey, there´s a lot of missiles to spend and a lot of oil to take, some roads to build and money to earn....Yes, this is very good news, world will be better without Sadam, and without Osama when somebody finds him......but it would also have been without so many dictators in south america in last quarter of 20th century with USA help...don´t forget this I recommend you all Michael Moore´s Bowling For Columbine |
If you think Bowling For Columbine is anything close to a factual, representative work about the U.S. then you might just be retarded.
It's entertainment, and very, very loose with the truth.
P.S.: I know Micheal Moore. I grew up about 5 miles from him, and hung with the same crowds. He plays up ignorance for laughs, and little more.
Post by: Sir_Vival on December 14, 2003, 06:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| that´s the problem of americans...you think somebody who doesn´t help you it´s against you...I´m spanish, my country has troops there, the goverment sent them there BUT aprox the 85% of spanish population is against this. You can´t even imagine the stupid you seem when changing name to food like french fries to liberty fries.....all world saw it and we all though it was sooooo stupid, or when we see you all runing to supermarkets buying gas masks, food, lanterns and so . You should understand europe doesn´t love war as much as you, military industry doesn´t rule our countries. If killing Sadam had been the propose of Gulf War 2, then you would have thrown a famous "Donald Rumsfeld´s MOAB" at his palace when he where there with his familiy and....game over. But hey, there´s a lot of missiles to spend and a lot of oil to take, some roads to build and money to earn.... |
First off-the idiots in this country are always the one to get media coverage, and that's probably how it is in most countries. I never saw any "liberty fries" anywhere. It was just a few resaurants, and everyone I talked to about it thought it was insanely stupid. Nobody that I know of also bought any supplies like that. The media always just blows up a few small reports on things.
Military industry doesn't rule our economy either. I only know 2 people that work for the military, and one is in the private sector, building missile parts. In case you don't remember, we started the war by firing a missle at a palace we thought he was in.
My last point is I believe that France withheld from the war because of oil. Did you know that their 2 largest oil companies are in Iraq? That 10x more oil for France comes from Iraq than it does for us?
I've yet to hear ANYONE explain to me how a war could POSSIBLY give us oil.
Post by: Xbox-Savage on December 14, 2003, 06:27:00 AM
How Saddam was found. 
shit they deleted it
Post by: LepPpeR on December 14, 2003, 06:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (chevi @ Dec 14 2003, 11:11 AM) | ||
that´s the problem of americans...you think somebody who doesn´t help you it´s against you...I´m spanish, my country has troops there, the goverment sent them there BUT aprox the 85% of spanish population is against this. You can´t even imagine the stupid you seem when changing name to food like french fries to liberty fries.....all world saw it and we all though it was sooooo stupid, or when we see you all runing to supermarkets buying gas masks, food, lanterns and so . You should understand europe doesn´t love war as much as you, military industry doesn´t rule our countries. If killing Sadam had been the propose of Gulf War 2, then you would have thrown a famous "Donald Rumsfeld´s MOAB" at his palace when he where there with his familiy and....game over. But hey, there´s a lot of missiles to spend and a lot of oil to take, some roads to build and money to earn....Yes, this is very good news, world will be better without Sadam, and without Osama when somebody finds him......but it would also have been without so many dictators in south america in last quarter of 20th century with USA help...don´t forget this I recommend you all Michael Moore´s Bowling For Columbine |
I see your point and thank you for the support in the war. You believe that Americans Love war and that is just no so. If you look at the past, we did not want to get involved in WWII or WWI as they were both fought on your continent and in the Pacific. If we have not had a treaty we would not have entered WWI and if we were not attacked by the Japanese and then had a declaration of war against us by the germans we would not have entered WWII. See, what Europeans fail to realize and continue to do is allow these countries to build up arms in hopes that they will not use them. You did it with Hitler following WWI. He was limited to the size of certain weapons and military power when the Germans signed the end of war in WWI. He started to build them regardless but Europe, who after WWI was petrified of war allowed him to do so. He started taking over small countries (QUICKLY and POWERFULLY) and you still did nothing. He spread with little resistence and the Major European Power just allowed it to happen. It was not until the French were slaughtered, the bombardment of England, Russia, and everyone else is Europe and Africa was underway did you realize that there was a problem and that WAR was the only thing left and by then it was just too late. Europeans are doing the same thing with Terrorism. It has not directly affected your homeland so you do not precieve it do be a problem but trust me, whether you are peaceful or not, they will attack you given the chance. It is not your military or peacefulness or economic power they do not like, it is YOU, your Idealogy, your way of life that they despise. Look at the UN and the REDCROSS, they never use force and for the most part are peacfully yet both were attacked suffering catasrophic pain and loss. It is hard to understand but you will see, I pray that rest of EUROPE does not suffer the act of terrorism seen here in the states and at our embassy's, on our troops, and elsewhere.
On a side note and this might be hard to understand. Americans build their weapons and military might in hopes not to use them. They are a deterence as is the Nuclear Bomb. The only thing that held The Russians and the United States from a massive war was the BOMB (nuclear) because it would have led to Utter Destruction of all. The military the US posses is a deterence, we do not want to use it but hope that the fear of "if we attack them, they will bomb the piss out of us and we will all die" would stop an attack.
Hope this clears a bit up.
Post by: Lifter on December 14, 2003, 06:36:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 06:43:00 AM
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| You can´t even imagine the stupid you seem when changing name to food like french fries to liberty fries.....all world saw it and we all though it was sooooo stupid |
You are right.. cause we all know it was the Germans that "created" French Fries.. not the French.
We should all go to McDonalds and ask for a BigMac with a side of Fischrogen
They also love them with Mayonaise not Ketsup.
Post by: chevi on December 14, 2003, 06:51:00 AM
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The point is we helped the countries listed many of times our troops have died for these countries and what do we get in return??? We still have many americans lying in thier soil dead. I agree with LepPpeR 100% thanks guys. Feel free to look down at your soil and thank our (American) troops that died for your country for your freedom. |
Yes, you have helped some countries, well done, It´s only I think war wasn´t the way in this case, there were better ways, and we still want to see these weapons of massive destruction...
LepPpeR, in Spain we have terrorist since 25 years ago at least, their are called ETA they want the independence of a zone of Spain called pais vasco and have killed at least 800 people
well i won´t write more in this thread, so different points of view and ideologys...and I must study
well I think I will play Halo a bit
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 06:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (Jawaad87 @ Dec 14 2003, 10:51 AM) |
| I find it very interesting that Saddam Hussein was captured when the elections are coming up very shortly... |
Yes, one year away certainly is "shortly"
Dumbass.
Hope you have enough tinfoil....
Post by: lonemodder on December 14, 2003, 06:57:00 AM
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Post by: FlatLiner85 on December 14, 2003, 07:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Dec 14 2003, 04:43 PM) | ||
You are right.. cause we all know it was the Germans that "created" French Fries.. not the French. We should all go to McDonalds and ask for a BigMac with a side of Fischrogen They also love them with Mayonaise not Ketsup. |
excuse me sir ,but it were definitly the Belgians who did it (i'm belgian) ,a small country between France and the Netherlands if you guys know where these lay
German inventing fries ? Never heard that one before...
and yeah i'm happy Saddam got caught ,but I don't think this will stop the attacks
Post by: Heet on December 14, 2003, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: FlatLiner85 on December 14, 2003, 07:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (lonemodder @ Dec 14 2003, 04:57 PM) |
| You bastards. Always hating on america and its alies. Well the coalition got him, saved lives and now we left iraq deal with him. Yeah it was all for the oil...Screw the french who always run from a problem and never help anyone out. Yeah you guys remeber WWII when we saved not only your asses but your whole damn country. |
Yeah you guys saved our asses during WWII ,but in the end if you guys didnt help us ,Hitller would have caught you anyway .The allies have won because they putted their forces together ,and its true it wouldnt have worked without americans ,love them ,but imho Bush is a cunt (Kyoto,agressive shit about saving the world from terrorist that america created themselves n/o)
PS: sorry for my bad english
Kind regards,
Post by: krobby on December 14, 2003, 07:23:00 AM
2. Michael Moore is a bit of a silly boy who feeds people the answers he wants to hear and then does creative editing to get his point. But he certainly has his place if he's making some people question what they're told so they can go out and find out for themselves. He certainly should always be taken with a grain of salt.
3. Saddam isn't a very nice chap either, he also has a lot of blood on his hands.
Post by: JohnnyVegas on December 14, 2003, 07:27:00 AM
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Post by: lonemodder on December 14, 2003, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 07:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (StormB @ Dec 14 2003, 11:25 AM) | ||
The threat of the US having nuclear powers is part of the reason why terrorists may target them more than other countries. Having been to America (I'm British), I must admit it's a decent place. It's understandable that it's the most powerful country in the world -- it's the largest place that speaks English as it's first language. I was suprised at how commonplace guns are though, and think it would probably do the country a favour to ban them except for the military. Will |
No, it would only put law-abiding citizens at a severe disadvantage. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns here.
The genie is out of the bottle here in America, and it's a neccessary evil - our founding fathers always intended for Americans to bear arms, as a check to an overbearing Federal power. FYI: Murders by guns on a per-capita basis is a LOT lower here than in many other countries.
Believe it or not: I've owned guns most of my life, as has my parents, their parents.... and none of them shot anybody. Amazing, huh? My son even owns a rifle (.22) and is terribly responsible when handling it. Education, and teaching people RESPONSIBILITY is important, not taking then away because a miniscule percentage can't handle them (Criminals don't count - they are CRIMINALS!! They BREAK LAWS! Get it? If you outlaw guns, they really DON'T CARE. They'll still get them and use them.)
Post by: jimk72 on December 14, 2003, 07:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (alikaz @ Dec 14 2003, 04:05 PM) |
| im not suporting saddam for wut hes done to his people, but i still wonder where these so called weapons of mass destruction are hidden, considering the country has been under control by us forces for about a year now, ok THESE ARE FUCKIN HUGE ASS WEAPONS, you cant jus move them in ur pocckets, i mean it will be ok if they had found SOME weapons but they havent found even ONE. next, any one here actually have ANY idea how mnay people (innocent ones) have diied in this war for NO reason?, if you are gonna turn to ur local meidia for the answer to my question then you are as blind. im sorry this war will end up startin more hate then the hate it was suposed to end |
The country is small compared to some but there is still so much barren land in iraq that the search could take decades and still not search all of iraq. If they are hidden we will not find them unless someone tells us were they are. They are not that big as you say, and could easily be burried anywere in the country. People think its like looking for a 5 square mile facility or lab and its just not that easy. as for the people dieing, we all must die sometime. Die at home in an accident, or illness or die in combat. People die every day. Im not trying to be nagative its just true. I served in the US army for 8 years and if I was put into combat i could die, i knew this, its part of being a soldier. as for the inoccent people, well thats a result of war, we have to look at the big picture.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 07:40:00 AM
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| Believe it or not: I've owned guns most of my life, as has my parents, their parents.... and none of them shot anybody. Amazing, huh? My son even owns a rifle (.22) and is terribly responsible when handling it. Education, and teaching people RESPONSIBILITY is important, not taking then away because a miniscule percentage can't handle them (Criminals don't count - they are CRIMINALS!! They BREAK LAWS! Get it? If you outlaw guns, they really DON'T CARE. They'll still get them and use them.) |
Yup.. responsible Gun ownership and education is the key.
Guns are different here in Canada.. but.. for those of us that legal own our firearms.. the gorvernment here makes it a FARCE when registering them. A system that was setup to manage it.. was supposed to cost 2 Million dollars.. and in ust 2 years.. cost over 2 billion. Sorry for going off-topic.
When can we expect to see Saddam taken care of OZ style at the resort at Guantanimo?
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 14, 2003, 07:42:00 AM
The whole place is a shithole filled with sand and rock.
all you gotta do is aim some AK-47 at some people who doesn't get paid 2 times in the same year.. and tell them to dig.
They can bury an ICBM/launcher in an hour with 30 people digging.
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Post by: XVegitto on December 14, 2003, 08:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Dec 14 2003, 05:42 PM) |
| For the comments about it being hard to hide weapons in that country... The whole place is a shithole filled with sand and rock. all you gotta do is aim some AK-47 at some people who doesn't get paid 2 times in the same year.. and tell them to dig. They can bury an ICBM/launcher in an hour with 30 people digging. |
Talk about saving a country which is a " shithole filled with sand and rock"
Post by: kidone on December 14, 2003, 08:23:00 AM
i think US is fighting some resistance in the northern mountains of afganistan...i think they're on the right track...or at least i hope
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Post by: gronne on December 14, 2003, 08:27:00 AM
EDIT: I don't think he's an idiot, only an idiot could state that so I regret I wrote it. But I think he's very not ethic. Only to explain what I mean; Hitler was an asshole, but he was very smart, considering he got a whole country to follow his idealogy, eventhough there were lots of other reasons the fact remains that he was clever.
Post by: lonemodder on December 14, 2003, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: hydraulix on December 14, 2003, 08:35:00 AM
the shitty thing is, we can only kill him once...
Post by: Sir_Vival on December 14, 2003, 08:38:00 AM
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| 1. they belief they live in a democracy, but their president was not voted by the people. 2. they can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. 3. they really belief that capturing saddam changes something. 4. they don't even know that almost every day, us soldiers are getting killed by the people of iraq in a fight for freedom 5. they still think the oil was not the reason for this war, even though no evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found yet. 6.they belief all i wrote above is bullshit, because they don't want to know the truth, because if they would want to know it, they could use google to find out what is really going on. |
1. Our electoral college is voted in by us. It may be indirect, but we still vote for the president. Furthermore, our legislature IS directly voted in by us, and they check everything the president does.
2. Freedom fighter? What terrorists that the US has gone after have been "freedom fighters"?
3. He may talk, he may not. However, it will boost our economy.
4. We do know that. It's on the news every night. Those "people of iraq" are idiotic teenagers, who are obviously influenced. I've yet to see an old man fighting for Iraq. Young people's minds are easy to shroud.
5. Tell me how the US could have possibly gotten oil from this war. Just tell me. I mean..it's not like they don't burn their friggen oil fields when somone attackes them or anything
Not to mention, France has a MUCH larger share in oil in Iraq than the US. Also..are you forgetting that all those tanks and planes take oil? TONS of oil?6. Oh yes, the internet is a GREAT source for finding out the truth. Gotta love those "ANARCHY4EVER" websites.
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Post by: Heet on December 14, 2003, 08:46:00 AM
1. We live in a democracy and our president was elected exactly how presidents have always been elected. An electoral college. I cant help it if a bunch of people wanna call foul cuz they didnt get their way.
2. Terrorists are what CNN calls freedom fighters. I assume you watch it. Terrorists kill women, children, and their own at random.
3. Capturing Saddam is the reassurance that the Iraqi people need to know that he will never come back and that they are finally truly free.
4. Soldiers get killed in all wars. If you know of a way to liberate people in a country without people getting killed then by all means tell us. The "freedom fighters" strap bombs to themselves and kill little kids on busses. Is that a way to do good?
5. Can you tell me what proof you have that the US went to war for oil? This is the dumbest argument ive ever heard but every idiot with contempt for Bush seems to bring it up because any other logic disarms them.
6. You have proved nothing so there is no way to refute your claims.
I hope to hell you dont live in the U.S.
Post by: Butthead43va on December 14, 2003, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: Quest on December 14, 2003, 08:52:00 AM
you are right, they haven't killed enough americans yet, but i can assure you, they will continue, time is on their side.
we are taking about the people of iraq, they are fighting for freedem, not for oil and not for money.
they will never tolarate to be controlled by a foreign force.
you would not want that either!
do you like lord of the ring ? just keep in mind, they are the hobbits, humans elfs... you are the orcs and uruk-hai.
Quest
the freedom fighters don't kill babys, women etc. they fight in their own country against oppressors.
@ Heet, no i don't watch cnn, it's not an independet source / how can you liberate people, by talking away their rights and their freedom? / proof for the war for oil ? -> the evidece about the weapons were fake! the cia new about it and bush new about it, but that did not stop him from going to war. besides, bush, rice as well as other leading us politician are closely involved with oil companies. now add 1 and 1 together /
did you know that us boombs and guns killed hundreds of civilians?
and to all who think bush was elected, in my country we never had a suppreme court deciding who will be our president.
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 08:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 12:55 PM) |
| Well I just got to say something, I do have something against the US and the reason is simple. They are fighting wars on the other side of the planet and aren't even cheking on them selves on the inside. What do I mean ? Well you see, I live in Canada and sometimes I have to go to the states, god damn it is dangerous there! I can't beleive americans say they are free when just to go to the store you have to watch out for crazy people, prostitutes with aids, rapists, psychos, killers, kidnappers, crazy 12 year olds gangs, guys that you have to never look at the eyes or they start beating you, the list goes on... How the hell do you guys say you are free living in acountry like that ? I don't get it! Oh yeah and i'm not saying canada is perfect but I mean look I live in a city with 5 million people, record for murders in one year : 35, now compare that to the US! |
Maybe you should try READING the evidence...because while no weapons have actually been found, there is a TON of evidence that Saddam was actively developing and stockpiling WMDs.
Try actually READING the official David Kay report, that the media ignorantly claimed as proof that "no WMDS were found"
There most certainly WAS plenty going on. That the weapons are still well hidden and/or moved to other countries is still very likely (more so than not). What the report says is that nothing was found so far, and that plenty of evidence supports the conclusion that, given enough time and access, the weapons WILL BE FOUND.
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 09:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 12:55 PM) |
| Well I just got to say something, I do have something against the US and the reason is simple. They are fighting wars on the other side of the planet and aren't even cheking on them selves on the inside. What do I mean ? Well you see, I live in Canada and sometimes I have to go to the states, god damn it is dangerous there! I can't beleive americans say they are free when just to go to the store you have to watch out for crazy people, prostitutes with aids, rapists, psychos, killers, kidnappers, crazy 12 year olds gangs, guys that you have to never look at the eyes or they start beating you, the list goes on... How the hell do you guys say you are free living in acountry like that ? I don't get it! Oh yeah and i'm not saying canada is perfect but I mean look I live in a city with 5 million people, record for murders in one year : 35, now compare that to the US! |
Homulka.
Vietnamese Street Gangs gunfighting in Toronto.
Hell's Angels' $20 million Drug Deals in Winnipeg.
Chinese gangs in Vancouver (Richmond).
Yeah, Canada is pure as the driven snow (well, driven as in that black, slushy crap after semis run through it).
Canada is a nice country, but America is too... but like all places, there are bad areas. Next time you come to America, try to drive more than 10 miles into our country, because your opinion of America shouldn't be defined by your run to Cass Avenue in Detroit to buy crack and pick up a transvestite hooker (and in the process getting rolled then carjacked), mmmkay?
Post by: self on December 14, 2003, 09:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (Heet @ Dec 14 2003, 04:16 PM) |
| ...Im glad ive never lived like that and the reason I havent is because people with REAL balls like the ones running our country right now dont take bullshit. I now see how these other countries are the biggest pussies on the planet. The funniest thing is now they want to partake on the rebuilding of a country, only for monetary gain mind you, and have the gall to ask the US for contracts. Hahahahhahah. See if we are there to help those countries ever again... |
Do you really belive that the way to achieve 'freedom' (aka world peace), is by leaders showing that they have real balls and that they don't take any bullshit? That's like the attitude of a teenage gang member in his identity crisis. One reason why terrorism exists is the fact that the whole world is scared shitless of the US politics. The most powerful country and military power in the world is run by a simple minded guy whose retorics are "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists". He was elected because of his face and character, not because of his politics, and by some of the same voters who made Arnold Schwarzenegger a governor.
While that is said, the fact that Saddam has been captured is great news. And hurray for internet discussions.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on December 14, 2003, 09:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 10:55 AM) |
| Well I just got to say something, I do have something against the US and the reason is simple. They are fighting wars on the other side of the planet and aren't even cheking on them selves on the inside. What do I mean ? Well you see, I live in Canada and sometimes I have to go to the states, god damn it is dangerous there! I can't beleive americans say they are free when just to go to the store you have to watch out for crazy people, prostitutes with aids, rapists, psychos, killers, kidnappers, crazy 12 year olds gangs, guys that you have to never look at the eyes or they start beating you, the list goes on... How the hell do you guys say you are free living in acountry like that ? I don't get it! Oh yeah and i'm not saying canada is perfect but I mean look I live in a city with 5 million people, record for murders in one year : 35, now compare that to the US! |
That just shows your lack of knowledge of the United States...obviously you have not stepped more than 10 miles into the state...how can you make an assumption on a place you truely have never been inside of and been to non bad areas...that is just ignorance
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 09:09:00 AM
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| Oh yeah and i'm not saying canada is perfect but I mean look I live in a city with 5 million people, record for murders in one year : 35, now compare that to the US! |
Post by: self on December 14, 2003, 09:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Dec 14 2003, 04:32 PM) |
| No, it would only put law-abiding citizens at a severe disadvantage. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns here. The genie is out of the bottle here in America, and it's a neccessary evil - our founding fathers always intended for Americans to bear arms, as a check to an overbearing Federal power. FYI: Murders by guns on a per-capita basis is a LOT lower here than in many other countries. Believe it or not: I've owned guns most of my life, as has my parents, their parents.... and none of them shot anybody. Amazing, huh? My son even owns a rifle (.22) and is terribly responsible when handling it. Education, and teaching people RESPONSIBILITY is important, not taking then away because a miniscule percentage can't handle them (Criminals don't count - they are CRIMINALS!! They BREAK LAWS! Get it? If you outlaw guns, they really DON'T CARE. They'll still get them and use them.) |
I have to disagree with you. Criminals will not always have guns. There are many countries were they don't, including the one I come from (Norway). The point is that anyone, including you, could at any time under the right circumstances snap and do something criminal. (Or "become a criminal") If that someone has possesion of a gun already, he is likely to use it. If that someone has not lived around guns his whole life, chances are way smaller that he get a gun, and use it.
You say you and your family has always had guns, but they never shot anyone. Then why did you have them? I realize you might feel you need this for your own protection, but I know that a lot of people (especially in the US) have a fascination of guns. A serious fascination of these things that are made solely for killing and injuring people and animals. That is a culture that needs to be stopped. So guns must be banned. Sure it will cause an uproar, but so what?
Boy this is totally of topic isn't it?
Post by: AlphaWolf on December 14, 2003, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (alikaz @ Dec 14 2003, 09:05 AM) |
| im not suporting saddam for wut hes done to his people, but i still wonder where these so called weapons of mass destruction are hidden, considering the country has been under control by us forces for about a year now, ok THESE ARE FUCKIN HUGE ASS WEAPONS, you cant jus move them in ur pocckets, i mean it will be ok if they had found SOME weapons but they havent found even ONE. next, any one here actually have ANY idea how mnay people (innocent ones) have diied in this war for NO reason?, if you are gonna turn to ur local meidia for the answer to my question then you are as blind. im sorry this war will end up startin more hate then the hate it was suposed to end |
Well, big as these WMDs may be, they aren't as big as the MIG-25 Foxbats that we are finding in the deserts if Iraq. A fucking MIG for christs sake...keep in mind that you can use a MIG to carry and deliver a WMD. If they can hide a damn MIG, what else do you think they might find there?
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 09:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 01:09 PM) | ||
| So living in a small town, is being safe for you, cause as far As I can tell, LA,DETROIT,NY,CHIGACO, yes even the capital (all places i've been to) are more than only 10 miles pass the border. All im saying i think your president isn't taking enough care of his population, by the inside. The time I have lived in the US app two months, I felt less free than in Canada. P.S. I know GTA is not America. Vietnamese Street Gangs gunfighting in Toronto. I'm sure this happens way more oftenly in the US than here. Hell's Angels' $20 million Drug Deals in Winnipeg. There is no planet in the country were there are no drugs, Hell's Angel's have killed inocents ( I think one or two ) only by mistake because they had a look alike with rival gang members. Fact. Chinese gangs in Vancouver (Richmond). There are gangs, now how many gangs do you think the US has?
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First off, my point is I've actually witnessed those in supposedly RESPECTABLE NEIGHBORHOODS in Canada. I've been all across your country, I enjoy going there... but that's just a sampling of the things I've witnessed firsthand (with the exception of the Homulka case, which you may or may not have even heard about; but that only highlights the problems with Freedom of the Press in Canada)
Again, I'll match LA, Detroit, NYC, DC, and Chicago for Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Edmonton, and others... geez. I grew up in Flint, MI. I work in Flint and Detroit. I have been to all of those cities, and yes, even some of the worse areas. Hell, there were even parts of St. Johns, New Brunswick that were seedy (you can probably thank the way the Canadian government treats the native North American people).
It's idiotic to get into a pissing match about this... Like I aid, there's plenty of crime to go around. I didn't see your illustrious leader out on the streets personally putting an end to it, so why should ours? Of course, don't let the fact that crime, and violent crime in particular, has been on a severe downturn in the last few years (after rising steadily during Clinton's administration) sway your ignorance and false sense of superiority.
Post by: AlphaWolf on December 14, 2003, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 11:55 AM) |
| Well I just got to say something, I do have something against the US and the reason is simple. They are fighting wars on the other side of the planet and aren't even cheking on them selves on the inside. What do I mean ? Well you see, I live in Canada and sometimes I have to go to the states, god damn it is dangerous there! I can't beleive americans say they are free when just to go to the store you have to watch out for crazy people, prostitutes with aids, rapists, psychos, killers, kidnappers, crazy 12 year olds gangs, guys that you have to never look at the eyes or they start beating you, the list goes on... How the hell do you guys say you are free living in acountry like that ? I don't get it! Oh yeah and i'm not saying canada is perfect but I mean look I live in a city with 5 million people, record for murders in one year : 35, now compare that to the US! |
You know, canada couldn't exist without the US. If we weren't here, canada would probably die of starvation. 98% of the canadian population lives within 150 miles of the US/Canada border. Canada is just a big long leech that sucks the blood off of the US' northern back. They don't have a real government either...Some of you canadians like to poke fun of our laws, like the DMCA for example, stating that hollywood buys out the government. Well, all I have to say to that is: They can't buy out our government enough to force a blank CD-R tax. Yeah, thats right, in canada everybody is assumed to be a software pirate because the content industry has enough money to say so. Enjoy your CD-R tax.
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 09:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Jawaad87 @ Dec 14 2003, 11:51 AM) |
| I find it very interesting that Saddam Hussein was captured when the elections are coming up very shortly... I think this is all a scheme by the Republicans to win the office again, or rather, duplicitously steal the office FROM THE DEMOCRATS LIKE LAST TIME!!! |
Yes, I'm sure the republicans had Saddam locked up until the time was right to hide him and find him.
Idiot.
The elections aren't for another year.
Post by: D0Gs3gG on December 14, 2003, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: AlphaWolf on December 14, 2003, 09:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (esj @ Dec 14 2003, 07:11 AM) | ||
how many have died because of bush??? |
Besides sadams military, as well as a bunch of al quieda terrorists?
Post by: self on December 14, 2003, 09:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (LepPpeR @ Dec 14 2003, 03:28 PM) |
| On a side note and this might be hard to understand. Americans build their weapons and military might in hopes not to use them. They are a deterence as is the Nuclear Bomb. The only thing that held The Russians and the United States from a massive war was the BOMB (nuclear) because it would have led to Utter Destruction of all. The military the US posses is a deterence, we do not want to use it but hope that the fear of "if we attack them, they will bomb the piss out of us and we will all die" would stop an attack. Hope this clears a bit up. |
Yes it's very hard to understand. The argument that americans are allowed to build as many weapons of mass destruction as they want to because they intend not to use it, is just stupid. Of course they make them to do what they see as 'good'. So does Saddam Hussein. When he has gassed thousands of innocent people in the past, he did it because he truly belived it was the right thing to do. Building a nuclear bomb to prevent war is just as impossible as it sounds. Maybe both of us should get ourselves a gun just to make sure none of us starts a fight?
By the way, this is probably my last post in this thread for a while. I have some serious studying to catch up on too.
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 09:45:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| It's idiotic to get into a pissing match about this... |
Probably, but still, I not trying to compare Canada to the us remember you were the one who brough up hell's angel's and stuff... All I wanted to say is that I think in my opinion, that bush isn't doing enough for it's normal people by the inside. What he has done with terrorist is very good, I beleive it is a good thing they got Saddam. But tell me if bush had try to make the country better for his humble people, maybe just maybe 911 wouldn't have been such a bitch. Sure i'm not saying that to be perfect bush has to stop little timmy from stealing your bike but... I still feel more free and safe in Canada then in the US (in big cities that is, you know where the jobs are...) I guess it's a little harder for you to see it since you seem to be an american with american parents who lives in america. Well me you see my native country is not Canada, and i've seen the two countries from a different point of view and that's what I think at the end.
Post by: self on December 14, 2003, 09:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (AlphaWolf @ Dec 14 2003, 06:42 PM) | ||||
Besides sadams military, as well as a bunch of al quieda terrorists? |
Reported Minimum: 7935
Reported Maximum: 9766
In Iraq that is. According to:
http://www.iraqbodyc...t/bodycount.htm
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 09:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (D0Gs3gG @ Dec 14 2003, 02:41 PM) |
| how on earth did this thread get from "saddam gettin found like a whimpering bitch" to "canada vs usa"? |
Yeah man, this is amazing.
Post by: Schmoov on December 14, 2003, 09:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (LepPpeR @ Dec 14 2003, 03:36 PM) |
| Saddam Down. Osama left, Bush relected......GOD BLESS AMERICA - Note: I woud like to thank the French, Germans, and Russians for the wide range of help and support with the coalition forces and their role in capturing Saddam. |
The problem is that us Germans don't betray the United Nations like America did. You also forgot a lot other countries that didn't help you - for the same reason. You didn't have any rights to move into that country and Bush is basically a war criminal. However, none of you will care about that. Sometimes I wonder how it must be to be the most hated country in the world. Not only that America is unsafe for children, has a gapping hole of social indisparities, is build on a weak economy which could fall apart anytime, has the most uneducated population (that president is a practical joke as is all his staff except Colin Powell) and has the highest percentage of overweight people - it doesn't even know what a lousy example of a "big country" it is. That all went for a better under Clinton, but Bush has to be the dumbest leader of a state ever. Too bad Americans go all crazy if they see some beardy guy like Hussein, instantely distracted from all the big problems the troops have in Iraq. This will be another NAM for you - or should I name some other country America really blew it?
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 09:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (JohnnyVegas @ Dec 14 2003, 12:27 PM) |
| first eBay auction on Saddam http://cgi.ebay.com/...tegory=208&rd=1 |
Why do people think they're going to make lots of money on an obviously fake auction because it has Saddam's name on it?
Post by: Large Dopant white on December 14, 2003, 09:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 14 2003, 06:27 PM) |
| Saddam is an idiot |
Saddam, while he is a sadistic monster, is certainly not an idiot. He's got a few degrees from an Ivy Legue college (it's either Yale or Princeton, forgot which one).
The situation isn't black-and-white. America and the Colation isn't completely innocent or good, and Saddam isn't a slavering monster without a moral ethic (he still loved his children, which must mean he has a heart somewhere in the cold little husk of his). Granted, he still killed thousands of his own disenfranchised people mostly (I personally believe) because he didn't like them. That's wrong, thoroughly and completely.
The only thing I do not like about the general Western mindset (i.e. every nation, country and land west of India) is that they look at stuff was too simply. The good guy is irredeemably good- Bush and Blair have completely clean records, right? - and the bad guy is a demon from the seventh circle of Hell - I mean, Saddam _did_ eat barbecued infant flesh for brunch, right? I'd guess it's rooted in the types of legends and mythologies we're in to, but that's another discussion.
Post by: kujo9630 on December 14, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Dec 14 2003, 06:30 PM) |
| Again, I'll match LA, Detroit, NYC, DC, and Chicago for Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Edmonton, and others... geez. I grew up in Flint, MI. I work in Flint and Detroit. |
Hey BenJeremy I didn't know you grew up in Flint. That's cool, I live here too. What school did you go to? Nothing like knowing another Flintstone on the board. FLINT TOWN!!!!
Kujo
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 01:45 PM) | ||
Probably, but still, I not trying to compare Canada to the us remember you were the one who brough up hell's angel's and stuff... All I wanted to say is that I think in my opinion, that bush isn't doing enough for it's normal people by the inside. What he has done with terrorist is very good, I beleive it is a good thing they got Saddam. But tell me if bush had try to make the country better for his humble people, maybe just maybe 911 wouldn't have been such a bitch. Sure i'm not saying that to be perfect bush has to stop little timmy from stealing your bike but... I still feel more free and safe in Canada then in the US (in big cities that is, you know where the jobs are...) I guess it's a little harder for you to see it since you seem to be an american with american parents who lives in america. Well me you see my native country is not Canada, and i've seen the two countries from a different point of view and that's what I think at the end. |
Here in the United States, my taxes I'm still gainfully employed, are lower, nobody has tried taking my gun away, I have not been detained illegally (or otherwise), there is LESS crime, no new major terrorist attacks have succeeded on our soil (though undoubtably many have been attempted) and the economy is rebounding.
Um, what the hell were you saying about Bush's domestic job performance?
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 09:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (kujo9630 @ Dec 14 2003, 01:50 PM) | ||
Hey BenJeremy I didn't know you grew up in Flint. That's cool, I live here too. What school did you go to? Nothing like knowing another Flintstone on the board. FLINT TOWN!!!! Kujo |
Brownell Elementary (by Clio and Pierson, one of the more wonderful neighborhoods in Flint).
Then we moved a little ways out of town, though I also went to college at UofM-Flint.
Yeah, I'm a Flintoid Child... (ugh, ancient WWCK 105.5 parody song reference). Teen years spent cruising Richfield park and Lapeer.
Post by: Hoppy on December 14, 2003, 09:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 02:09 PM) | ||
| So living in a small town, is being safe for you, cause as far As I can tell, LA,DETROIT,NY,CHIGACO, yes even the capital (all places i've been to) are more than only 10 miles pass the border. All im saying i think your president isn't taking enough care of his population, by the inside. The time I have lived in the US app two months, I felt less free than in Canada. P.S. I know GTA is not America. Vietnamese Street Gangs gunfighting in Toronto. I'm sure this happens way more oftenly in the US than here. Hell's Angels' $20 million Drug Deals in Winnipeg. There is no country in the planet were there are no drugs, Hell's Angel's have killed inocents ( I think one or two ) only by mistake because they had a look alike with rival gang members. Fact. Chinese gangs in Vancouver (Richmond). There are gangs, now how many gangs do you think the US has?
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Hey jsm, or jse, or esj, or whatever the fuck your name is today. I thought you did the world a favor and killed yourself?
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 10:00:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Jsm == Japanese_sand_man ; Jsm != Jse ; // got it? |
What's with the hate ?
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 10:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 01:55 PM) | ||||||
Ok so how many Americans had to die before this happened? |
????
Now you are coming off as simply insane.
People die all the time. How many died on 9/11 because Clinton didn't take care of Al Qaeda when he had chances to? How many dies under Saddam while France and Germany made billions in "Food for Oil" sanctions that hurt the Iraqi people, but not the Baathist regime?
As a veteran of the Marine Corps, I accepted the fact that I might be sent in harm's way to defend my country and it's interests. If it's soldiers dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's something we accept when we join the service. As it happens, our losses are not that much higher than in a typical training exercise, extrapolated to a similar period. Letting terrorists succeed only encourages MORE such attacks, it does not diminish the risk by caving into their tyrannical will.
Now what EXACTLY are YOU talking about, anyway? You are trying to make the ridiculous claim that Bush is executing thousands of Americans to make it a better place? That would make no sense, jsm.
Just how old are you, anyway?
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 10:10:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Now what EXACTLY are YOU talking about, anyway? |
I'm just saying that I find it unfair Bush had to wait for that many people to die 9/11 before he started doing something, I don't see what is wrong in what i'm saying.
Even if I would tell you my age, there is no way for you to actually verify it. (21)
I know my english typing isn't very good, but as I said I'm not a native Canadian so english is not my mother tongue.
Post by: AnThRaX on December 14, 2003, 10:12:00 AM
On another note, someone should make this a poll, but if you could change back time and had a choice to capture Saddam or Bin Laden which and give A GOOD REASON!
Post by: guile_mrd on December 14, 2003, 10:12:00 AM
i like the replies that show how the US can do anything and support anyone with being associated with terrorists ...
US can do anything they want as long as they're the strongest force in the world .. there's no need to justify the US actions... that's the way things are going .
Post by: BenJeremy on December 14, 2003, 10:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (jsm @ Dec 14 2003, 02:10 PM) | ||
I'm just saying that I find it unfair Bush had to wait for that many people to die 9/11 before he started doing something, I don't see what is wrong in what i'm saying. Even if I would tell you my age, there is no way for you to actually verify it. (21) I know my english typing isn't very good, but as I said I'm not a native Canadian so english is not my mother tongue. |
I asked your age because you seem incredibly naive and easily influenced by some of the propoganda out there.
Did Bush know about 9/11? Absolutely NOT. I know for a fact he would not have "let it happen". Such an assertion is assinine to the nth degree.
As for Clinton, there was the matter of the WTC bombing in 1993, that never was properly settled. His only response to Osama was a few cruise missiles on an empty camp (likely because the administration leaked the info about the attack well in advance to Pakistan). He had justification back then to deal with Osama, and failed miserably. That was when al Qaeda began implementing the next attack, which succeeded. Yes, it was executed on Bush's watch, but it had begun and was implemented a LONG time before Bush ever came into office. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is like blaming blaming Bill Gates because your crappy third-rate SDRAM is crashing your Windows (as it would Linux, too, if you had it).... oh wait, people are stupid enough to do that, too.
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 10:39:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Did Bush know about 9/11? Absolutely NOT. I know for a fact he would not have "let it happen". Such an assertion is assinine to the nth degree. |
You still don't seem to get it, what I am saying is that I think bush should've had tryied to get Osama and Saddam before 9/11, sure he *couldn't* prevent it but why did he wait for that to happen before acting ? He already knew they were dangerous didn't he ?
Post by: insertjokehere on December 14, 2003, 10:43:00 AM
I thought that we werent in the 16th Century anymore. I certainly dont think public execution is the best way to deal with a killer. Sure it gets rid of them (and all the money that would have to be paid to keep them in prison) but everyone seems to deal with the symptoms and not the disease. If we could understand why people become psychos, then maybe there would be so much shit going on. Sure, i get pissed off with some people and feel hate, but killing someone? I just could not do that, taking a life for money, for drugs or whatever still seems crazy. But i may have lived a much more different life to many other people.
I understand the right to defend yourself, but if there were no guns (ideal world) then there would be no need to fight fire with fire in the first place.
I was actually writing a rant (allways the best way to take out anger) on Micheal Moore after reading Stupid White Men. It was called "Why Micheal Moore is a Prick", about his Self-Righteousness and Ignorance. "Stupid White Men" shows him as a one sided, transfixed democrat who came up with all this squit; bush this and bush that, coming up with now answers for his readers or conclusion. But then I saw "Bowling for Columbine" and I saw that he actually does have a point, and he was funny about it as well. Sure, most of what he says and does is rather manipulative, but I would rather trust One guy with a transfixed and manipulative mission than a whole broadcast network lead by the biggest crook of them all; Rupert Murdoch.
Or we could all just watch the badgers http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Post by: jsm on December 14, 2003, 11:04:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Think about it: Death is the easy way out. If Saddam went out with a bang he would have been a hero to extremists; a martyr. How is the electric chair going to solve anything? If Saddam is humiliated in a court, and left in a high security prison to rot, what would be the greater punishment. |
You are so right.
You know what would be really crazy, If in Saddam's cell they put the badger movie 24/7, would it be considered torture?
Post by: ShadowKiller on December 14, 2003, 11:04:00 AM
I think the Soldiers stole the $250,000 out of his $1,000,000 thats why he only had $750,000 ..... good for the soldiers
I got that money fact off of CNN... they were talking about how he says there was a million but the soldiers split the money up
Post by: Leeloo on December 14, 2003, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: fancy_flying on December 14, 2003, 11:35:00 AM
However, this really isn't all that much. The US is still fucked in the middle east, Saddam isn't guilty of anything that the US is partially responsible for.
I wouldn't call him a hero, but he certainly isn't the worst leader around these days.
That whole, let his people starve while he built palaces isn't much unlike your beloved GWB you know. He's thrown the US into 300+ billion dollar defecits to fund a war for oil! All that extra expenditure wasted on guns and ammo and more secutiy. No money for universal health care, for welfare, for education, for drug plans for seniors.. just on guns.. just like saddam!
Anyone who doubts the whole "war for oil" thing is kidding themselves. Look at Bush tell the world that if you didn't support the war you don't get to rebuild it. Case in point - COLONIALIZATION OF THE MIDDLE EAST.
Americans are fucked. Not only does this whole situation piss off the arab citizens even more, but it further alienates Germany, France, and Russia from sympathizing with the US. German and French authourities have squashed more Al Queda cells than the US has domestically.
What a twisted and ignorant mind set is so prevalent in the US.
Anyhow, way to go on capturing that asshole. Hope it does something to end this stupid waste of life escapade called operation "lie to the whole world so we can blow stuff up"
just my take. The strong arm tactics will continue to get the US into more trouble then it can afford.
Post by: EKJ on December 14, 2003, 11:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Leeloo @ Dec 14 2003, 09:26 PM) |
| Humans are Mother Earths Cancer |
The BEST post I´ve read so far in this thread.
Amen to that.
See ya.
Post by: mamajo on December 14, 2003, 11:48:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| WMD's was the reason for this war, and with Saddam in custody and cooperating, they've got a wealth of information at their hands. |
You have been brainwashed by the Pentagon's bitch CNN.
Post by: sflimey on December 14, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Dec 14 2003, 07:43 AM) | ||
You are right.. cause we all know it was the Germans that "created" French Fries.. not the French. We should all go to McDonalds and ask for a BigMac with a side of Fischrogen They also love them with Mayonaise not Ketsup. |
Actually French Fries originated in Belgium, and its the Dutch that have mayonaise in MacDonald's and not the French or German's. But obviously your a world traveller so you know that.
Post by: Gonzo_PhD on December 14, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dahak @ Dec 14 2003, 03:00 PM) |
| Totally disappointed to see political crap like this on the front page. There's cnn for that, boys. |
My vote for best post in the thread.
Post by: LEDHaywire on December 14, 2003, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: chilin_dude on December 14, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: gronne on December 18, 2003, 01:39:00 PM
Well I just have to say that americans are sooooo naive. I didn't have a clue they couldn't even admit they've given WMD's to those countries. No-one here in Sweden, not even the pro-american wannabee's disagree with that fact. You are just being plain silly. And how can you dissagree with all the other stuuf micheal moore says, I mean they guy's got links to provide as evidence.
Post by: gronne on December 18, 2003, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: muggs on December 18, 2003, 02:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 18 2003, 05:39 PM) |
| Well I just have to say that americans are sooooo naive. I didn't have a clue they couldn't even admit they've given WMD's to those countries. |
I have never denied that fact and as I recall earlier in this thread someone else said that we did.
Also we are not Americans. America is a contenant not a country we are United Statians.
muggs
Post by: no.7 on December 18, 2003, 02:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 18 2003, 11:39 PM) |
| Hej va fan, ni får inte glömma er svensk som står på er sida också ;-) Sverige e ju iallafall inte med i Nato Well I just have to say that americans are sooooo naive. I didn't have a clue they couldn't even admit they've given WMD's to those countries. No-one here in Sweden, not even the pro-american wannabee's disagree with that fact. You are just being plain silly. And how can you dissagree with all the other stuuf micheal moore says, I mean they guy's got links to provide as evidence. |
jepp, bra det er fler.
But we have to keep in mind that not all americans are brainwashed, and get hyper nationalistic just at the sight of a american flag.
i know some americans that can actually form an opinion by themselves, and discuss matters without telling someone to STFU.(BJ)
Hey, im just glad this is an xbox forum, and not the forum for civilian killers of america.
(as BJ pointed out, thats sarcasm for some of u`folks)
Now to something completely different, what was the theme song from the film "deliverance"?
Post by: SadSammy on December 18, 2003, 04:14:00 PM
The Land of Opportunity.....That says it all.
no.7: Have you ever even been to the U.S.? Apparently you haven't or you'd know that there are a gazillion news channels delivering 100% freedom of speech. That's right...they can give us the news from any and all perspectives. In fact, Fox News' motto is "Fair and Balanced."
So, how are we being brainwashed? We can choose to listen to any news channel we want or read any newspaper we want. Who's doing the brainwashing when the government doesn't own any of these news channels. In fact, Ted Turner owns CNN. Is he brainwashing us?
Or maybe you weren't talking about what we see and hear on T.V. and in newspapers. Maybe you were talking about what they teach us in schools. Oh, well in that case they teach us everything. They even teach us about how the U.S. used to have slaves. So...there's a bad part of the U.S.'s past and they aren't keeping it from us. We aren't afraid to talk about it and they teach us the morals of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King so they we'll know better.
Once again, I don't understand why some of the foreign people on this board are criticizing the U.S. so much.
Lets face the facts.........
Latin Americans come to the U.S. to play baseball and make millions of dollars and live in mansions in the U.S.
Many people from Europe come to the U.S. to play basketball.
More and more people are leaving Japan to play baseball in the U.S.
People from all over the world come to the U.S. to pursue modelling and acting. Including many many many people from Canda (Pamela Anderson, and a ton more).
There are absolutely a ton of Spanish people with computer engineering jobs in the U.S. and a lot of middle eastern people with health care related jobs. And I'm not being racist either.
SIX of the richest people in the world are from the U.S. too.
And there is so much more I could talk about.
The United States is GREAT! We consist of blacks, whites, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc. etc. We are made up of so many different cultures and we all live here in the same country.
How can you deny that the U.S. is one of the greatest countries in the world. If not THE greatest.
Post by: SadSammy on December 18, 2003, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Large Dopant white on December 18, 2003, 04:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:14 AM) |
| Or maybe you weren't talking about what we see and hear on T.V. and in newspapers. Maybe you were talking about what they teach us in schools. Oh, well in that case they teach us everything. They even teach us about how the U.S. used to have slaves. So...there's a bad part of the U.S.'s past and they aren't keeping it from us. We aren't afraid to talk about it and they teach us the morals of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King so they we'll know better. |
I have to agree to every point but this one. The High Schools here like to dummy up the history books, and they don't teach you about much of anything "bad" that the US has done in the past. Yes, it covers slavery, but do they mention that one of the most influentual automakers, Henry Ford, was actually Pro-Nazi? Or how George Washington was actually in favor of an Imperialistic government before what would be the Congress changed his mind? The history books they give us in school are absolutely useless, and I do not suggest that anyone actually learn anything from them, and instead pick up a history book outside of school and read it, where they don't simplify the issues or leave out critical parts of history for the sake of learning faster.
EDIT: Here's an example of over-simplification - alot of HS history books teach you that the Civil War was declared by Abraham Lincon because he was personally against slavery and wanted to stop it. Wrong. He declared war on the South because he wanted to reunify the nation, and he didn't have much problems with slavery at all (he had many of his own). Granted, the North was generally more simpathetic to the freedom of slaves than the South, and Abraham Lincon did release all of his slaves to freedom eventually, but that was far from the main reason for the Civil War.
Post by: SadSammy on December 18, 2003, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: Large Dopant white on December 18, 2003, 04:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:30 AM) |
| They tought us about the relationship between Henry Ford and Germany but I've never had a teacher who talked about George Washington's imperialistic ideas. |
Well, there you go. I'm suprised your teacher was allowed to teach you and your fellow students about Ford's symathetic views to Nazi Germany.
Post by: SadSammy on December 18, 2003, 04:36:00 PM
We also have to consider college profesors that probably discuss topics in american history class about everything, including Henry Ford's relationship with Germany and Abraham Lincoln's views on slavery. But since I'm a high school student I can't really speak for colleges.
Post by: Large Dopant white on December 18, 2003, 04:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:36 AM) |
| Large Dopant white: Well, the Abraham Lincoln situation I suppose is a little controversial depending on which book you're reading from but I'm basically saying that the U.S. teaches us about the good and bad of U.S. history. We also have to consider college profesors that probably discuss topics in american history class about everything, including Henry Ford's relationship with Germany and Abraham Lincoln's views on slavery. But since I'm a high school student I can't really speak for colleges. |
I can say for a positive fact, as I hold my (former) College History book in my hands, that it teaches you a helluva lot more than a HS one, and in much more detail (it's also close to 3 times as thick as an average HS History book). I was just making the point that HS in the US, at this point, is mostly just a formality you go through before you go to College. The people who learn something in HS have either missed something in Elementary school or are dolts (the only exception would be Math). Almost everything you learn in HS is covered in Elementary school at one point or another. College, on the other hand, is a wonderful place to learn, and I regret not being able to attend longer than I did.
Post by: SadSammy on December 18, 2003, 04:49:00 PM
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk when I say the United States is the best country in the world. You should be proud of whatever country you come from even if it's not the United States. Sure...we all know there are some countries out there that support terrorism and I don't think you should be proud of those countries, but there are a lot of countries out there that give their people freedom and responsibilty just like the U.S.
If you don't like the United States what you should do is take a trip here. You'll see that there is violence just like everywhere else but you'll also see that people love living here. And that's what it comes down to. We are a happy place to live and like I've been saying, you have the opportunity to grow up to be anything you want. And you have the ability to believe, say, and do anything you want unless it harms other people (which would be breaking the law).
So, it right there. Freedom is what makes up the U.S. And I guess I just took offense when people are accusing the U.S. of brainwashing their people and stuff like that.
Post by: Large Dopant white on December 18, 2003, 04:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:49 AM) |
| I'm going to bed soon but I just wanted to say one last thing: I'm not trying to sound like a jerk when I say the United States is the best country in the world. You should be proud of whatever country you come from even if it's not the United States. Sure...we all know there are some countries out there that support terrorism and I don't think you should be proud of those countries, but there are a lot of countries out there that give their people freedom and responsibilty just like the U.S. If you don't like the United States what you should do is take a trip here. You'll see that there is violence just like everywhere else but you'll also see that people love living here. And that's what it comes down to. We are a happy place to live and like I've been saying, you have the opportunity to grow up to be anything you want. And you have the ability to believe, say, and do anything you want unless it harms other people (which would be breaking the law). So, it right there. Freedom is what makes up the U.S. And I guess I just took offense when people are accusing the U.S. of brainwashing their people and stuff like that. |
I agree with you on these points. While the Patriot Act and the officials that abuse it are trying to restrict some freedoms the Act wasn't created for, overall, we are a free country. You can be Pro or Anti anything, as long as you're willing to take the scorn or praise with it. Many papers express their own views and no law can restrict that. France, the so-called country of "freedom", has restricted such before- for instance, a law was actually passed there sometime last year that it was illegal to comment on the Ambassador's use of toupee, and in the UK, papers can't say anything about the Royals without it being a proven fact first. In the US, you may read a paper that pokes fun at the President's deficient speech capabilities, and no one will be arrested or fined.
America may not be a completely "free" country (that's called Anarchy, ladies and gents), but it's as free as any country can get without a breakdown of all government and law.
Post by: InMyTree on December 19, 2003, 12:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hoppy @ Dec 14 2003, 01:58 PM) |
| Yeah, because true hero's so often let their people live in poverty while they build themselves palaces. The best part is that they found him hiding like a little fucking bitch. Everyone said he'd go down fighting. *edit* Where's drunkmunk? I'd like to hear what he has to say. |
Similar to another leader I know.. do you know that there are 10 million Americans living not only below the poverty line, but in a bracket described as "Real Hunger"?
I don't know why America is rejoicing so much.. they guy fought wars for you in the 80's.. sure, recently he attacked other dictators in the middle east (yes, dictators, the ones you're meant to hate so much).. but it was your choice to send your troops in there.. and don't fool yourselves, the only reason they were sent in there was to protect your oil supply.. not to protect a nation!
I think now that the US have captured this madman, its time to reflect on all the stuff they have done to help him throughout the years.. they should blow up the picture of that other scumbag Donald Rumsfeld when he was shaking hands with Saddam and giving him the biological weapons and put it in all the newspapers.. but, thats never going to happen cause the papers want people like Bush in power to give them nice little kick backs and to protect the rich as he does so well..
I think everyone should be reading what Michael Moore has to say about this.. very ironic..
Read it here
Really.. these guys in power are screwing you American's over.. screwing you over bigtime.. don't stand there and defend them, sort this shit out!
Post by: InMyTree on December 19, 2003, 01:02:00 AM
Post by: Hoppy on December 19, 2003, 01:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (InMyTree @ Dec 19 2003, 05:42 AM) | ||
Similar to another leader I know.. do you know that there are 10 million Americans living not only below the poverty line, but in a bracket described as "Real Hunger"? |
Saddam was taking the "Food for Oil" funds from other countries and spending them on himself, not his people.
Post by: InMyTree on December 19, 2003, 03:48:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Saddam was taking the "Food for Oil" funds from other countries and spending them on himself, not his people. |
I'm sure he was.. he was a scumbag..
But don't forget that after the first Iraq war, the UN wanted to provide aid to the Iraqi people, but then the US stepped in an blocked all assistance.. estimated dead is around half a million Iraqi's.. lets compare that to 3000.. hmm.. then typically, you decided that "Hey! We really need some oil.. lets give those beggars some food in return for oil! Oh yeh.. we'll give them a little more food than they need to survive, and we can use all the oil we want!"
Here's a link:
http://www.oneworld....ay96_iraq2.html
Post by: Hoppy on December 19, 2003, 04:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (InMyTree @ Dec 19 2003, 08:48 AM) | ||
I'm sure he was.. he was a scumbag.. But don't forget that after the first Iraq war, the UN wanted to provide aid to the Iraqi people, but then the US stepped in an blocked all assistance.. estimated dead is around half a million Iraqi's.. lets compare that to 3000.. hmm.. then typically, you decided that "Hey! We really need some oil.. lets give those beggars some food in return for oil! Oh yeh.. we'll give them a little more food than they need to survive, and we can use all the oil we want!" Here's a link: http://www.oneworld....ay96_iraq2.html |
Just the U.S?
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| However, while Saddam Hussein initially resisted such a deal on the grounds that it infringes Iraqi sovereignty, Iraq has now agreed to abide by the UN's initial conditions. But the US and Britain have blocked the deal. |
When was this written?
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| Copyright: Abdullah Mutawi 1996 |
Your source is almost 10 years old.
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| then typically, you decided that "Hey! We really need some oil.. lets give those beggars some food in return for oil! Oh yeh.. we'll give them a little more food than they need to survive, and we can use all the oil we want!" |
Taken from the U.N. Website
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| The Oil-for-Food Programme was established by the Security Council on 14 April 1995. Some 3.4 billion barrels of Iraqi oil valued at about $65 billion were exported under the Programme between December 1996 and 20 March 2003. Of this amount, 72 per cent of the total was allocated towards humanitarian needs nationwide after December 2000. The balance went to: Gulf War reparations through a Compensation Fund (25 per cent since December 2000); UN administrative and operational costs for the programme (2.2 per cent) and costs for the weapons inspection programme (0.8 per cent). |
Anyway, all this has to do with the first Gulf War, a war that was fought over 10 years ago. Highly off topic. I suggest you read BenJeremy's post about the results of this war if you haven't already. The press (and the rest of the world) tends to choose not to notice certain things.
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Post by: self on December 19, 2003, 04:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hoppy @ Dec 19 2003, 10:33 AM) |
| Saddam was taking the "Food for Oil" funds from other countries and spending them on himself, not his people. |
The food for oil program allowed Saddam to sell oil and get food, medicine, and other civilian needs in return. How on earth could he spend the 'funds' from that on himself?
Post by: moistness on December 19, 2003, 04:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (self @ Dec 19 2003, 02:48 PM) | ||
The food for oil program allowed Saddam to sell oil and get food, medicine, and other civilian needs in return. How on earth could he spend the 'funds' from that on himself? |
Well thats pretty obvious wouldn't you think?
Post by: moistness on December 19, 2003, 05:01:00 AM
Post by: self on December 19, 2003, 05:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (moistness @ Dec 19 2003, 01:51 PM) | ||||
Well thats pretty obvious wouldn't you think? |
The whole point of this program was that there wouldn't ever be any 'funds', only food and medicine, right?
Post by: moistness on December 19, 2003, 05:09:00 AM
Post by: no.7 on December 19, 2003, 05:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:14 AM) |
| no.7: Have you ever even been to the U.S.? Apparently you haven't or you'd know that there are a gazillion news channels delivering 100% freedom of speech. That's right...they can give us the news from any and all perspectives. In fact, Fox News' motto is "Fair and Balanced." |
yeah, ive been to the u.s.
i hope you were kiddin` about fox news?
have watched it sometimes, and really think its a poor replica of jerry springer show.
A news channel that has to tell people its "fair and balanced", hmmmm
Anywho... The problem with the media in general, is the selfcencorship they put on themselves.
"Either ure with us, or ure an terrorist"
But i know there are newschannel in the states that also are on another line than the government. But the problems is that a few people control the major media channels (tv,radio etc.) And since they depend on advertisement revenue, they are not likely to go against the major sponsors.
One of the problems, is that discussions comes sometime after the incident, instead of beforehand. Just the fact that Bush made it illegal to reportphotograph the arrival of dead u.s soldiers on u.s soil should make you think.
On another note, ive talked to a few americans, and im surprised how many can`t even put my country on the map. Its like they know where Canada and Mexico is, then it becomes difficult. Atleast most should be able to recognize where Afghanistan and Iraq is now.
Again, this is just my opinion after i have talked to a few.
Post by: muerte on December 19, 2003, 06:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (InMyTree @ Dec 19 2003, 05:00 AM) | ||||||||
They're motto is "Fair and Balanced" because they are not fair and balanced.. they have brainwashed you good.. Fox is the most dispicable of all US television stations.. they keep drilling into your head that you are hearing great reporting, and that there is freedom of speech, but you get none of it.. I can assure you.. Have you ever been anywhere else BUT the US? I live in London, but I have travelled around the world a bit.. recently I was in New York (snowed the whole time, was a great trip) and I couldn't believe what I was hearing from Fox! They were still on about Weapons of Mass Destruction! The rest of the world is over this by now.. they know that the government was lying.. but there fox are, still questioning matters! The US people are one of the nicest people (as a whole) around.. I couldn't believe how friendly and outgoing you guys are.. I think its great, but you are getting siliently screwed over and you don't even know it..
Yes.. but all teh news channels and media outlets are owned by the same people.. the same people with an agenda.. in Britain we have the BBC.. they are not commerical and therefore have no bias.. the difference in the reporting is astounding.. if you have cable, you should try and watch BBC America's sometimes..
You're right, and this is most of the problem.. you guys protect the rich and screw the poor.. you're the only 1st world country that still doesn't have public health care! People in other countries just wouldn't put up with that.. the rich control your country and make it better and better for themselves..
You're right.. the places I have been in the states have been very multicultural.. but so are a lot of places.. I don't see your point... you think the US is the greatest because you keep having it drilled into your head.. just like you think Fox is fair and balanced (man.. that is one hell of an oxymoron.. they should be sued by someone!) I think one of the problems is that everyone thinks they are being patriotic.. you show your patriotism by waving flags and supporting your troops and your government.. this however, is not patriotism.. if you were being patriotic you would be saying "Why the hell are we sending our guys to fight a war for oil? Get them the hell out of there".. or "Why do the richest 1% of people in this country own 80% of the wealth.. thats not fair!".. You really have to watch Bowling for Columbine, or maybe more importantly read "Dude, where's my country!".. both are by Michael Moore.. they are both very entertaining and will give you a different perspective.. you don't have to agree with everything the guy says, but just listen to what he does say and make up your own mind.. |
This is why I generally stay out of politics. When you say somebody is brainwashed by news channels full of propoganda, others say you have been brainwashed by the whole "i'm a european rebel... fuck the government" thing. Who is right? You'll never know. Just chill buddy. there's enough rage against the machine to go around.
Post by: self on December 19, 2003, 07:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (muerte @ Dec 19 2003, 03:35 PM) |
| This is why I generally stay out of politics. When you say somebody is brainwashed by news channels full of propoganda, others say you have been brainwashed by the whole "i'm a european rebel... fuck the government" thing. Who is right? You'll never know. Just chill buddy. there's enough rage against the machine to go around. |
You've got to be able to have an opinion of your own. As long as you're critical to what you hear, you're not going to be brainwashed. If you stay out of it and don't care, you only end up making things worse. Because when you're going to vote, you end up voting for other resons than politics. This is how Arnold Schwarzenegger a governor, because people thought he seemed like a nice fellow, not because of his opinions.
IMO.
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 09:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (SadSammy @ Dec 19 2003, 02:14 AM) |
| In fact, Fox News' motto is "Fair and Balanced." |
Well, I just have to quote myself "americans are sooooo naive". Just a little note for you, CNN is well-known for it's patriotic view, when was the last time you saw any other flag but the american at the bottom of the screen(They don't have it allways, but often)? And as for your "Fair and balanced" channel fox I can say that there's more or less allways an american flag on the screen, and during the war earlier this year Fox news had a lot more american viewer than CNN, and that's like the first time it had more than CNN, and the reason more people watched Fox was because it had a more patriotic p.o.v. So there goes for your "Fair and balanced"
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 10:35:00 AM
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| On another note, ive talked to a few americans, and im surprised how many can`t even put my country on the map. Its like they know where Canada and Mexico is, then it becomes difficult. Atleast most should be able to recognize where Afghanistan and Iraq is now. Again, this is just my opinion after i have talked to a few. |
no.7 : Hmm...what do you do?....Do you actually walk up to people in the U.S. with a map and say, point to my country!
You gotta cut us some slack there. It's easy to know where Canada, the U.S., and Mexico is.....but Europe is a lot more crowded on a map.
On this forum, it seems there is more hostility from the Europeans towards the Americans than vice-versa. But that's just my opinion. In fact, I've gone on record saying that you should be proud of any country you're from.
Someone's probably gonna say we're getting off-topic but I don't really feel it's wrong to stand up for my country.
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 10:41:00 AM
I've been sticking up for my country this whole time and you guys continue to express your thoughts on Americans. What's your deal?
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 10:52:00 AM
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| The United States (and our friends like Canada and the United Kingdom) are the best countries in the world. There's no doubt about it. Why else would millions of people from all over the world immigrate to the United States and their ally countries? |
Those were my exact words from just a few days ago.
So...you Europeans on the board. You've seen how I, an American from the U.S., said the United States, Canada, and U.K. are the best countries in the world. So...why do you continue to criticize people from the U.S. so much on this forum?
That's all I'm saying for now. I just wanted to get my point across.
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 19, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
Im an American, and everyday I hate this country a little more. We need to kill all the fucking lawyers and politicians. The litigiousness of this country makes me SadAkumAPRIME.
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 11:09:00 AM
Not that I should bring in discussions from other forums but I checked IMDB to see what people said about Taxi Driver(which is one of my favourite films) and in one of the threads there was a guy from NY saying that one shouldn't watch flicks such as Taxi driver because it made us more violent(I'm not going to make my point about that), and he said that the stuffs the film was about, underaged prostitution and crazy murderers, didn't exist!!!! And the guy was living in NY. Isn't that naive then I don't know what!! That's obviously more naive than most other USA citizens, but still one could see patterns from a closed community, like all of USA.
So to the rest of you, I know it's hard not to believe in the media, but if you can try not being narrowminded you will understand that you should ALLWAYS read between the lines.
In Sweden we've got a public-service channel called SVT and during the war it said to us that since all the information we got came from either Pentagon or the Iraqi equivalent, we should CAREFULLY consider what to believe in, because both sides tried to screw us one way or the other. I guess they didn't say that to the viewers in USA, except maybe one shouldn't believe in the Iraqi news, right?
I suppose they haven't showed you anything but happy Iraqies when they captured Saddam, right? If they haven't I can say that there are extremely many Iraqies being pissed because they took him. And USA told the Iraqi people "We will free you", but how many Iraqies wanted the war? And the Iraqies don't want the americans there now when the war is over either.
I'm reading the Swedish newspaper Aftobladet, and I will quote an Iraqi guy running a gas station, about post-war. This guy did want Saddam to be set from the power. "How are we supposed to support our familes with food? Haidar screams. We thought we were supposed to have a better life without Saddam. But this is worse!" And this was said because he can't get hold of any gas since USA takes all of it. There's a picture of 417 (fourhundredandseventeen) vehicles impatiently waiting to buy gas, but as said he can't provide them with gas(for crying out loud only Saudi Arabia has a bigger resource of oil) . DO YOU GET TO SEE THAT IN AMERICAN TV?? Iraq could have been a very rich country, and I'm not saying it was when Saddam was at power, but does that justify that instead of freeing the Iraqies you make it worse for them by taking more oil from them???
I believe one should love it's country if it's truly good to humanity, but if you can't look at your country in a critical way something's wrong.
We're not pissed at US politics for nothing you know. I mean other stuffs like the steel customs Bush applied are sick, and if you can't understand why we hate the states when they do such things is weird.
Only conclussion, DON'T BE NARROWMINDED!!!
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 11:09:00 AM
Now I'm ignorant.
You sure know a lot about me.
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 11:15:00 AM
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 12:03:00 PM
So because you think our countries are good, or as you said "The United States (and our friends like Canada and the United Kingdom) are the best countries in the world" one can't dislike you??? Doesn't it affect me that USA is acting world police?? I live in Sweden(I guess you've never heard of it moron) and I like a whole lot of other countries, but you Americans have tought me not to like USA. I like people who dares to think openminded(especially if they're american) like AkumAPRIME. Does BBC suck because it's TONS more "fair and balanced" than FOX???
What makes a country good/bad? Do you think Poland or Ukraine are bad because they're poor? I for one like those countries far more than USA. If you think countries in Africa(well you believe Africa is a country of course) like Nigeria or Ethiopia or Kenya or any other country in Africa are bad because they're poor and people live in poverty??
They haven't even heard of XBOX or CD's or when it comes down to it completely unneccesary material stuffs. Maybe it's because of us in the 1: world (even Europe) who don't provide them with help, you haven't thought of that.
We could help them a lot if we wanted to, but instead we make them even poorer. Don't you think they have the rights to be pissed?? But who cares they're too poor to make their points heard, right? So because I live in a very rich country doesn't that give me the right to be utterly pissed off at countries that rip off the rest of the world, is that your point???
People like you SadSammy make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope someone sends you to North Corea to live for a year or two, then we could have this discussion again(but you would probably have died by then).
BTW: Even the "American Symbol" Madonna who wrote the song "material girl" has said that she's ashamed she wrote it. And as you know she doesn't make USA look good nowadays.
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 12:27:00 PM
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North Korea. You may continue argument now. |
At least you're reading. Considering all the text I wrote and English not being my mother tongue I think one bad spelling must be pretty good. I'm trying to be a little constructive which is the least I could say about you. And you apparently didn't disagree with me since you didn't complain on my arguments. And believe me, make sure of your spelling, because I will watch your spelling. And in Sweden it's called Nord korea, but I had in mind you spelled it with a C. Countries and places are often called and spelled differently in other languages, guess you didn't know that. But please, be my guest and write something in Swedish.
Post by: tester123 on December 19, 2003, 12:41:00 PM
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| But what makes me scared is that the media doesn't allow americans to know anything about the rest of the world. |
Pathetic assumption.
How do you know what we are allowed to see and not what to see. Do you live here? You most likely have only seen the extreme views of the US media and not the unbiased views in order to make a statement like this.
Like some dumb ass restaurant owner naming his french fries... freedom fries... what a fucking idiot he is. He's one guy.... yet most EU press reports it as if it was the entire US renaming french fires to freedom fries. And people say where only feed with half truths.
Why show the unbiased US views? Thats because it's less of a story for your media to report on.
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| Not many in USA knows about EU for example(but FYI IMO EU is shit, but still you ought to know of it). |
This is THE most idiotic statement I have ever heard in my entire life.
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| That's obviously more naive than most other USA citizens, but still one could see patterns from a closed community, like all of USA. |
And you call us closed minded and being fed with half truths. What a joke.
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| I guess they didn't say that to the viewers in USA, except maybe one shouldn't believe in the Iraqi news, right? |
Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| I suppose they haven't showed you anything but happy Iraqies when they captured Saddam, right? If they haven't I can say that there are extremely many Iraqies being pissed because they took him. And USA told the Iraqi people "We will free you", but how many Iraqies wanted the war? And the Iraqies don't want the americans there now when the war is over either. |
They've shown both, and the MAJORITY of the population is relieved of his capture. The Shiite and Kurds are the MAJORITY of Iraq and SUPPORT the capture of Saddam. Remember, these are the very people that where subject to his CRIMES against humanity. (Rapes, torture, gassing, executions, mass graves and much more).
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| I'm reading the Swedish newspaper Aftobladet, and I will quote an Iraqi guy running a gas station, about post-war. This guy did want Saddam to be set from the power. "How are we supposed to support our familes with food? Haidar screams. We thought we were supposed to have a better life without Saddam. But this is worse!" And this was said because he can't get hold of any gas since USA takes all of it. There's a picture of 417 (fourhundredandseventeen) vehicles impatiently waiting to buy gas, but as said he can't provide them with gas(for crying out loud only Saudi Arabia has a bigger resource of oil) . DO YOU GET TO SEE THAT IN AMERICAN TV?? Iraq could have been a very rich country, and I'm not saying it was when Saddam was at power, but does that justify that instead of freeing the Iraqies you make it worse for them by taking more oil from them??? |
Yes, they show it. Are you so naive as to believe we do not see this?
Coalition forces are taking fuel needed to support this war.
Saddam took hundreds of thousands of innocent lives (gassed HIS OWN people along with other crimes against humanity). He took much, much more than we ever have or ever will.
There is a fuel shortage because MOST oil production was halted due to international sanctions. That's what the "Oil for food" sanctions was all about. Iraq was only allowed to produce oil for food and other humanitarian goods. The sanctions have now been lifted.
Thats what the "contracts" to rebuild Iraq are all about (what the majority of EU has expressed interest in).
Now, these "contracts" are to help rebuild oil refineries to produce more oil (up to the level BEFORE sanctions) so there will be no more shortages, to rebuild telecommunications and power systems, to rebuild the education system and so on. THIS CAN NOT BE DONE OVERNIGHT! There must be stability (the capture of Saddam will speed up this process), before companies can go in and help rebuild Iraq.
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| I believe one should love it's country if it's truly good to humanity, but if you can't look at your country in a critical way something's wrong. |
Another idiotic assumption.
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| Only conclussion, DON'T BE NARROWMINDED!!! |
Dido.
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 12:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Dec 19 2003, 10:36 PM) |
| I'm not arguing for or against you... I'm Canadian If any country has the right to bitch about the Americans I think it should be us... but for the most part it isn't us... it's people from Sweden and France. I definately think that anybody that crazy with that much money/power should be de-throned. Also I could have pointed out many grammatic errors in your rambling post but I thought that was a good one because in no language is "Korea" spelled "Corea". |
Not in any country you spell definitely "definately"(not English at least). Don't bitch around if you're not the least better, and I suppose English is your mother language, though it could just as well be French. Obviously you did it do be sarcastic about my "rambling". And how the f**k do you know it isn't spelled with a C in any language??
Have you heard of many other Swedes complaining on USA?? Doubtfully, Swedens population is only 9 millions. I suppose it's hard to realize that a lot of people from GB dislike you as well. If you have something constructive to say, then say it. Since you were sarcastic I suppose you weren't against the war.
Post by: Spency234 on December 19, 2003, 01:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 19 2003, 10:54 PM) |
| Doubtfully, Swedens population is only 9 millions. |
9 million.
And actually I have heard alot of Swedes complaining about it in different forums... so out of the 9 MILLION there must be a pretty bad bitch to non-bitch ratio.
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 01:54:00 PM
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QUOTE That's obviously more naive than most other USA citizens, but still one could see patterns from a closed community, like all of USA. And you call us closed minded and being fed with half truths. What a joke. |
It's good that you're constructive. When I referred to closed I didn't exactly mean like North (K)orea. I mean it's closed because people like him didn't know much. Not believing in underaged prostitution must be people not getting the right information.
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They've shown both, and the MAJORITY of the population is relieved of his capture. The Shiite and Kurds are the MAJORITY of Iraq and SUPPORT the capture of Saddam. Remember, these are the very people that where subject to his CRIMES against humanity. (Rapes, torture, gassing, executions, mass graves and much more). |
Ok, it's the majority. So what. Had 97% or something supported the captured, then I could have understood it, but now it's more like 70%. But I myself thought he was an asshole, and would like to seee him dead/caught, but in a completely different way.
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Yes, they show it. Are you so naive as to believe we do not see this? Coalition forces are taking fuel needed to support this war. Saddam took hundreds of thousands of innocent lives (gassed HIS OWN people along with other crimes against humanity). He took much, much more than we ever have or ever will. |
Yeah, and how fuckin' sad isn't it that you don't react!!!!!
And as it says in the paper they speak to another guy called Haidar who's in the car line, and he is an engineer in an oil-to-gas-refinery, and he says that they're in a level of 80% (they produced 75 million litres of gas) of the pre-war-capacity, but he said that he had NO IDEA(which he did, US takes it) where the gas is, he earlier got his gas free since he was working at the refinery, but the americans don't allow them to do that anymore!!!!!!
BTW, some guy said that 250,000-300,000 people were murdered in this war, and I had hard to believe it, but I had heard it on the news from an unbiased organisation. THIS I will definitely find a link to.
And those contracst were only delivered to the countries that supported US. Purely to say f**k you to countries that didn't support the war.
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QUOTE I believe one should love it's country if it's truly good to humanity, but if you can't look at your country in a critical way something's wrong. Another idiotic assumption. |
Yet again you're very constructive. Anyone thinking that's idiotic should have themselves a thinker. Explain why it's stupid. I for one demand that my country deals nicely to humanity, would be sick otherwise. If Sweden would attack other countries for no good reason I'd leave(to Norway)
So, some conclusion, Americans will never accept anything that's bad about their country. I for one knows of a lot of bad stuff about Sweden, yet nothing comes near USA I can at least admit it, because if no-one complains nothing will happen).
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 02:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Dec 19 2003, 11:48 PM) | ||
9 million. And actually I have heard alot of Swedes complaining about it in different forums... so out of the 9 MILLION there must be a pretty bad bitch to non-bitch ratio. |
Well, we're 27,000 persons from 9 million, so I guess you could say that.
and dazdastardly, If you put India and/or China in those numbers I guess they can start bitchin' pretty a lot
And one things for sure, Sweden has the worlds prettiest ladies, and that I guess you have heard
In case you don't believe me I'd love for you to come visit us, there was a german that couldn't stop talking about "The Swedish blondes". But as in all country we've got a whole lot of ugly one's too
Post by: gronne on December 19, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
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Yes I definately have heard that you have some pretty ladies over there and I would love to visit someday, maybe take one home with me! I doubt it but a man can dream can't he?? |
No, that's what I don't like, people stealing our chicks to other countries
Let the elite chicks stay here I don't use to take them home to me, I always follow them home, so I can leave in the morning, without they knowing where I live
Let me tell you this, it's very easy to skip computers here.
But I guess they have some fine women in Canada as well. Celine Dion doesn't exactly give me a hard-on, but she's not ugly
Have you seen Tiger Woods chick? She's from Sweden and she is looks damn nice.As you stated, very off-topic
But I could say one thing
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we both live in kick ass countries in no immediate danger from all of this so why don't we just chill. |
Yes but this is the thing that when we're living in our wealthy countries, we should consider the poor one's extra much, and make sure our countries try to help them, and as of now we definitly don't. Because they're living a lot tougher.
ON-TOPIC again
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 03:44:00 PM
You should actually read what I type before you even bother to comment.
Post by: SadSammy on December 19, 2003, 04:03:00 PM
ONCE AGAIN, I REPEAT,.....I SAID YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR COUNTRY NO MATTER WHERE YOURE FROM.
But I've had several RUDE INCONSIDERATE MEAN THINGS said to me.
Ya know what? Forget you people. Like someone already said, arguing over the internet is retarded. It doesn't matter if you swear and make your letters real big or whatever, your still a computer nerd in the first place so it's not like you scare me or anything.
And for the record, this whole thing was started by some of the foreigners on this board anyways. Nobody was even saying anything bad about England or Europe and you guys had to start talking about how the Americans think they're better than anybody else. And I can't stand up for my country.
Well, the foreign people on this board have obviously outnumbered the U.S. people and all of a sudden, everything I say about the U.S. isn't true and you people are telling me that I'm brainwashed, and that everything on United States televison is propoganda.
Talk about unfare.
I'll stay in the U.S......you people are rude.
Post by: HeLiuM on December 19, 2003, 07:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 19 2003, 11:54 PM) |
| Ok, it's the majority. So what. Had 97% or something supported the captured, then I could have understood it, but now it's more like 70%. But I myself thought he was an asshole, and would like to seee him dead/caught, but in a completely different way. |
were you hoping to see him die from a heart attack? or did you expect him to choke from his food sometime in the near future? honestly, how would you like to see him get caught?
Post by: muggs on December 19, 2003, 10:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (gronne @ Dec 19 2003, 06:06 PM) |
| And one things for sure, Sweden has the worlds prettiest ladies, and that I guess you have heard |
Europe must be a great place to live. I have been to Holland and I only saw a handful of average ladies the rest of them (that were not old) were beautiful. My friend has been to Italy and he said the same thing. Do you deport the ugly ones or something?
Also to those who can't understand why us Americans aren't coming across as too openminded ever consider that it is because we are being bashed on by most of you instead of giving constructive criticism? I'll tell you I think there are tons of things that are fucked up in our government but if you slam my country I will defend it to the death.
InMyTree
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| Have you ever been anywhere else BUT the US? I live in London, but I have travelled around the world a bit.. recently I was in New York (snowed the whole time, was a great trip) and I couldn't believe what I was hearing from Fox! They were still on about Weapons of Mass Destruction! The rest of the world is over this by now.. they know that the government was lying.. but there fox are, still questioning matters! The US people are one of the nicest people (as a whole) around.. I couldn't believe how friendly and outgoing you guys are.. I think its great, but you are getting siliently screwed over and you don't even know it.. |
You came to New York and you still think we're nice?
Where in New York? I thought we held the US title for biggest assholes. We're gonna have to try harder. muggs
Post by: gronne on December 20, 2003, 06:14:00 AM
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Europe must be a great place to live. I have been to Holland and I only saw a handful of average ladies the rest of them (that were not old) were beautiful. My friend has been to Italy and he said the same thing. Do you deport the ugly ones or something? |
Holland, well they look OK. But it's a little funny, because I spoke with a guy from Netherland earlier this year saying he was envious of our beautiful ladies. Come to Sweden and see for yourselves. Nothing's like a blonde
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were you hoping to see him die from a heart attack? or did you expect him to choke from his food sometime in the near future? honestly, how would you like to see him get caught? |
I could just say that if you had terrorists in the world before, it just got worse. Never have USA been as disliked as now. And I can't sit here coming up with constructive ideas, but sanctions could perhaps help a little, I read it would be possible to put sanctions directly to Saddam. Can't remember how, but I guess they had some good ideas. More importantly is that USA didn't even try any other option but war. But it's tough, I'll give you that.
Edit: I just had to add a comment here. You wondered if he would possibly choke from food. Well as far as I can remember we almost got Bush that way, didn't we
But I suppose Saddam knows the importance of chewing, so I guess that wouldn't happen.| QUOTE |
ONCE AGAIN, I REPEAT,.....I SAID YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR COUNTRY NO MATTER WHERE YOURE FROM. |
I would not be proud of my country if it wasn't good to me or other people. I can't remember I've said USA is bad to it's people, but it's definitly not good to other countries. And I really do think USA is not good to it's own citizens either for that matter, but you guys apparently like it. I say as InMyTree, "you're getting silently screwed over and you don't even know it."
Post by: HSDEMONZ on December 20, 2003, 06:32:00 AM
Post by: Colonel32 on December 20, 2003, 06:13:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| If someone could tell me one good thing coming from patriotism, I'd be very suprised. |
Me waits for someone to say the patriot act
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 20, 2003, 06:28:00 PM
"Excuse me Mr' bush, but did you just punch that kid, fuck his cat and steal his dads wallet!"
" Well I most certainly did, but since they was terorists, it was alllll cool under that there patriot act."
Well, maybe not that, but you understand what I mean. Wire taps, home entry, NO WARRANT NEEDED!!! Seriously people, er.... American people, be araid of the patriot act. IT's scary shit!
Post by: lookformeb on December 20, 2003, 07:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (AkumAPRIME @ Dec 20 2003, 10:28 PM) |
| I wish youd make your sarcasm more self evident. For those who DONT know, the patriot act was passed by our friends John Ashcroft and his fuck friends, the bush family/ republigangsters. It basically strips us of our many rights as long as they call us a terrorist first. "Excuse me Mr' bush, but did you just punch that kid, fuck his cat and steal his dads wallet!" " Well I most certainly did, but since they was terorists, it was alllll cool under that there patriot act." Well, maybe not that, but you understand what I mean. Wire taps, home entry, NO WARRANT NEEDED!!! Seriously people, er.... American people, be araid of the patriot act. IT's scary shit! |
Once again, AkumAPRIME states his undesired views on American policy...
If you live in the U.S.A... get out...
If you don't... find something better to bitch about...
Post by: lookformeb on December 20, 2003, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 20, 2003, 09:02:00 PM
My point, despite all else, was that laws are being passed under the pretense of a Major terrorist threat, of which there is no true reality due to our increased level of vigilance, that undermine the basic rights of the citizens of this country. It's fairly simple, and put out there for those who care.
If you don't, B, then that's fine. With all that said, I also agree this is one of the better places to live. Why? because it suits our enslavers to have us be happy and technologically superior to the rest of the world to better suit their needs. Thus, we remain happy and unwitting servants. Would you be my dog simply because I make my bitch happy and keep her well fed? Cool. From now on, you're lookformemybitch.
ehb
Post by: lookformeb on December 20, 2003, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 20, 2003, 09:29:00 PM
Any other Americans who understand and recognize the need for active criticism of a government passing laws that restrict our freedom, I remind you that 2004 is coming. The year 2004 is a voting year where, hopefully, a new and better president will take office. Just remember, GO GREEN
ehb
Post by: lookformeb on December 20, 2003, 09:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (AkumAPRIME @ Dec 21 2003, 01:29 AM) |
| GO GREEN |
I should have guessed...
there's no hope for you...
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 20, 2003, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: dazdastardly on December 21, 2003, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: AkumAPRIME on December 21, 2003, 07:24:00 AM
The current two party bs we have is very frustrating. Bif business owns both the parties. As far as the corporations are concerned, it matter not whether you vote repub or demo.
Look, my biggest problem is this. The rich don't pay equal taxes. Green party pushes for a flat 10% rate. Could you imagine a world with an IRS that was less powerful? Where there were maybe two tax forms? Adn where the rich had to pay an equal and fair amount? Go Green!
ehb
Post by: self on December 21, 2003, 08:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Dec 21 2003, 05:46 AM) |
| 2. I'm not gonna bitch about the leaders of my country. It's pointless. 3. Political discussions are pointless also. Debating politics is liek debating religion... a complete waste of time. |
Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Post by: Lotmr on December 21, 2003, 10:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (AlphaWolf @ Dec 17 2003, 06:25 PM) | ||
Know that little feeling in your chest you get when you say that? That emotion is called jealousy. It's what happens when you run across somebody who is so much more successful than yourself, that you feel anger towards them because they unintentionally make you realize your own inadequacy. Try not to hold that anger against people who you don't even know. |
Hmmm, jealousy? Really? I guess my perfect A reports in private school arent good enough! I have to try and be more sucessful! Really you're much more sucessful then me? Do tell....or shut your face.
Post by: Lotmr on December 21, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
Self has the right idea (at least in my mind)
Alphawolf needs some diversity and some real facts (it seems he's just grasping for some excuse), you said you have been out of the US, where BTW?
BenJeremy has the right idea for making a pro-war point (even if i dont agree)
Post by: geniusalz on December 24, 2003, 12:20:00 AM
The biggest thread on XS ever award
Post by: Colonel32 on December 24, 2003, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: drunkmunk on December 25, 2003, 02:12:00 AM
It's kind of funny how people like to bitch but do absolutely NOTHING to make a difference. You've got your French peacenics decrying the war and how terrible the U.S. is handling this whole situtation yet they refuse to send troops they just want a piece of the 18 billion dollar contracts that the U.S. is shelling out to help rebuild Iraq. Of course they want to try and make some money back because they had heavy trade with Iraq. I dare somebody to disclaim this I've been through ass loads of markets here and they all have French or German products. Coincidence? probably not. The French government likes to decry our actions and use not wanting to go to war as an excuse when the truth of the matter is they had much more to gain by keeping Iraq down and sanctioned on a "food for oil" campaign. It's kind of funny that they decry America for coming in after oil yet their own government was banking on the fact that Iraq had to sell them oil for cheap.
Post by: Hoppy on December 25, 2003, 01:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (self @ Dec 25 2003, 11:40 AM) | ||
If you've read through this thread and only been able to say that people like to bash the us, you have not been listening. What is wrong with this war has been brought up lots of times already, and I won't go over it again. Money and economy should not be a reason to go to war. Thousands are killed, and hate is spread. The economy of USA and France should not be reason for going or not going to war against Iraq. However, as I said, it was. It was not for weapons of mass destruction, and it was not for humanitarian reasons. |
Out of all the opinions in this thread, I value drunkmunk's the most. But what would he know, he's only on the front lines in Iraq and all.
Post by: Colonel32 on December 25, 2003, 11:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (drunkmunk @ Dec 25 2003, 12:12 PM) |
| I read through about 90% of this thread and all I can say is wow... people like to bash the U.S. what a suprise. It's kind of funny how people like to bitch but do absolutely NOTHING to make a difference. You've got your French peacenics decrying the war and how terrible the U.S. is handling this whole situtation yet they refuse to send troops they just want a piece of the 18 billion dollar contracts that the U.S. is shelling out to help rebuild Iraq. Of course they want to try and make some money back because they had heavy trade with Iraq. I dare somebody to disclaim this I've been through ass loads of markets here and they all have French or German products. Coincidence? probably not. The French government likes to decry our actions and use not wanting to go to war as an excuse when the truth of the matter is they had much more to gain by keeping Iraq down and sanctioned on a "food for oil" campaign. It's kind of funny that they decry America for coming in after oil yet their own government was banking on the fact that Iraq had to sell them oil for cheap. |
I honestly agree with you on some points about the French in regards to the food for oil program, but the media and you, for some reason has led the french to take the fall for this because they were the most suspect - why the hell does everyone hate the french so much when the majority of countries disagreed with this war
With your frontline knowledge what did the other countries have to gain?
There is also nothing immoral or illegal with the french selling non arms to iraq (and gas masks and night vision goggles are not arms) ........ the US sold arms - The french bought oil and sold pipes and got screwed out of several of millions of dollars in this process.
So what if the germans and french traded with iraq, whats your point? Everyone was on board when the war was against terrorism
Post by: muggs on December 26, 2003, 05:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (self @ Dec 25 2003, 10:40 AM) |
| Money and economy should not be a reason to go to war. |
But more often then not it is. Whether it was oil, weapons or humanitarian I don't care I am glad Saddam is out of power, by the way did anyone know US forces captured him?
VOTE BUSH IN 2004 muggs
Post by: daviefresh1775 on December 27, 2003, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: muggs on December 27, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (self @ Dec 27 2003, 01:48 PM) | ||
I can't belive you accept that muggs. |
I don't like it at all. What I meant was if you look back through history more wars have been waged in the name of god and money than anything else. If money was the real, and the only, reason yeah I'm pissed I got lied to but I do feel that taking Saddam out of power was something that needed to be done since the last Bush was president. If it was Germany, France, Italy or anyone other than the US that did it I would be happy he was out and would hope that they don't screw the rest of the world on oil prices from deals they make with the new Iraqi leaders, as I believe the US won't.(Yes I believe Oil/money was A reason but not the only or biggest. Then again I could be wrong.)
muggs
Post by: self on December 28, 2003, 07:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (muggs @ Dec 28 2003, 01:52 AM) |
| Stuff |
Great! I'm sorry for the misunderstanding
Post by: sprkthead2 on December 29, 2003, 09:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (sflimey @ Dec 14 2003, 03:50 PM) | ||||
Actually French Fries originated in Belgium, and its the Dutch that have mayonaise in MacDonald's and not the French or German's. But obviously your a world traveller so you know that. |
Actually french fries were invented in Philippines.
just want to put in my 2 cents and include Philippines in the tread
Post by: AnThRaX on December 29, 2003, 10:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (sprkthead2 @ Dec 29 2003, 01:45 PM) | ||||||
Actually french fries were invented in Philippines. just want to put in my 2 cents and include Philippines in the tread |
Proof?
Post by: AnThRaX on December 29, 2003, 10:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (Spency234 @ Dec 29 2003, 02:32 PM) | ||
I second that.... we should once and for all solve this. A quick Google search makes me now beleive they were invented in Belgium including this one. |
Did a ask jeeves search as well come up with same answer