Post by: chiribomb on August 26, 2006, 03:08:00 PM
I have a ice 1.0 v 300gigs with .67 bios, a gold 1.6 500 gigs with a .67 bios, now I want to build a xbox with the 750 gig drive. Anyone built one yet? any issue with 7 size max? One day my 360 will have these options I hope!
Post by: pimpthelinc on August 26, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: mavsfan on August 26, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: chiribomb on August 29, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
Formatting F to 248 32k, G = 243 32k - no corruption on either partition after filling.
A note when using xbpartitioner, make sure you actually select to format the partitions. smile.gif
Quote from Daddy.
Anyone know what the max size of the G partion is ?
Post by: Zebes on August 29, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: chiribomb on August 29, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: 00g on August 29, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
I have a friend that's looking to put at least a 500gb HDD in his Xbox. I theory this would be fine if after the C, and E drives were formatted, the remaining space was split in two. But this isn't what happens. The X3 BIOS makes the F drive 137gb, and the remaining space is given to the G. With a 500gb HDD, that will put the G drive over the 250ish GB limit.
I've attempted to format HDD's using that XBPartitioner (it's been about a year, so I'm not 100% on the details) but it tells you to press a certain button to change the cluster size. When I press that button, nothing happens. If I remember correctly, the edges of the screen are cut off as well.
Any help on this?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 29, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
I have explained the reasons for this in this post.
Post by: chiribomb on August 29, 2006, 02:24:00 PM
Evox M8 plus.v1.6 bin is what I am using.
xboxgamer733 I read the thread, do you know if a bios is available that would allow f and g to be 362k @ 32k?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 29, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Dexter Harvey @ Aug 29 2006, 01:54 PM) 
With the correct Partition and clusters it should work.Has anyone tried?
Yes, you could install a 750 GB hard drive in an Xbox if using both a large enough F and G drive.However, the Xbox BIOS will not allow the G drive to claim free space after 512 GB (or after any user-set number). The G drive can only be used:
- At the '137 GB' mark, if a '.67' BIOS is used, or
- Never, if a '.06' BIOS is used.
QUOTE(chiribomb @ Aug 29 2006, 02:31 PM)
xboxgamer733 I read the thread, do you know if a bios is available that would allow f and g to be 362k @ 32k?
No, unfortunately, there currently isn't a BIOS like that. All current BIOSes use either the '.06' or '.67' partitioning schemes stated above.
Post by: chiribomb on August 29, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
I could see a media jukXbox in any room that has a tv!
Post by: blame canada on August 29, 2006, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(chiribomb @ Aug 29 2006, 03:02 PM)
Well then what do you think it would take to entice the community to develope a new scheme to enable the use of drives larger than 500 gigs.
A lot because most people would say having a 500gb+ hdd in an xbox is pointless. I mean, unless you pirate like crazy, or have enough money to buy a TON of games, then I don't see the point of a 750gb hdd. If you REALLY want a 750gb hdd, buy it and install it in your computer. Use XBMC to setup an SMB network to watch all your movies, music, etc., and keep a 300gb+ hdd in your xbox for games.
Post by: chiribomb on August 29, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
How long does it take you to move a 3 gig movie from file server to remote desktop in your home. power consumption of 2 computer, other cons.
If you take the time to read this thread or others like it you see that some of us have the need for more space, or just like to see if it can be done. We need something to do because our 360's just play games at this point.
Do you have young kids, they want to be able to choose a thumbnail icon of a movie or a game and go.
My masters are all locked in the safe, I have boxes of VHS I been transfering to avi and putting on the BOX.
Good stuff to watch before the tapes degrade, now I have storage space for books until they become published ebooks, someday maybe we could have the library of congress on our XBOX, lol.
I remember the days when I played loderunner on a Apple 2e and loaded it off of 2 floppies we had no hd.
Computers are tools, xbox is our toy
Sorry don't want to rant.
I admit I do not spend much time here, so please lets discuss getting this done if possible, if not I guess 500 gigs will have to do
Post by: chiribomb on August 30, 2006, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: chiribomb on September 03, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Big_Whoopin @ Sep 1 2006, 02:26 AM)
Actually, there is a BIOS like that, two of them so far as I know. The current Team Xecuter X2 and X3 BIOSes both support reading the partition table off the drive instead of having it controlled in the BIOS itself. (I believe there is an option you need to take in X3CL to enable this tho.) Use XB Partitioner to set up the F and G partitions as desired, format with 32k clusters if the partition is larger than the 16k cluster limit, reboot and allow the BIOS to read the partition table off the disk much like how it works on a PC.
There may be other BIOSes that have this same function, I'm not sure. I've just been working with Xecuter chips and BIOSes my entire time modding (except for the brief M8 stint before Xecuter released a 1.6 compatible X2 BIOS) and more or less know those setups inside and out.
Regarding a question on where to select the cluster size in XBPart., I believe you first need to toggle the "action" to format instead of write partition table. Been a month since I did this. The 16k/32k marker does show up in the top right of the screen so if you are having a problem with overscan on your TV you may not be able to see it.
-Whoopin'
So there is hope of installing a drive larger than 500 gigs, have you seen or heard of someone installing a 750 gig?
What would be the limitation of the partion size?
Post by: The Zep Man on September 03, 2006, 10:59:00 AM
QUOTE(chiribomb @ Sep 3 2006, 06:23 PM)
So there is hope of installing a drive larger than 500 gigs, have you seen or heard of someone installing a 750 gig?
What would be the limitation of the partion size?
Post by: chiribomb on September 03, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Dec 8 2005, 06:52 PM)
heh, theres alot of information flaoting around about this, problem is alot of it is wrong
the xbox default is 16k clusters, this causes data to corrupt at 256gb on a single partition, you cna format with 32k clusters to increase partition size to 512gb, theoretically you can use 64k clusters to go to 1024gb and 128k to put a full 2tb on a single partition
of course with each of these the minimum filesize is increases to the cluster size, resulting in more slack, by 64k and 128k it might not be worth it (although 64k would ne necessary if an IDE drive larger than 1tb is ever released)
So if I understand it right then I sould be able to partion f to 500@ 32k and g to the rest or vise versa, after c,e,xyz have been done.
When I worked for Seagate we always struggled with platter sizes and adding more to get more out of the same package size, now with perpendicular recording technology the same drives with the same amount of platters can store. "Since there are only so many bits that can be packed onto a finite space, linear hard disk recordings max out at 100 to 200 Gb/in². Perpendicular recording is expected to increase the amount of available storage space to up to 5-10 times that or around 1 Tb/in²." THG
Seagate 750 GB Barracuda Enters The Big League
Expect drives to start getting bigger and bigger and the price to drop.
I still would like to know if anyone has done this yet, anyone?
Post by: The Zep Man on September 03, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(chiribomb @ Sep 3 2006, 07:43 PM)
So if I understand it right then I sould be able to partion f to 500@ 32k and g to the rest or vise versa, after c,e,xyz have been done.
If you choose to use an F+G BIOS, F will by default be used up 'till 137GB (the LBA32 border). Everything after that will be used on G, which would be still something like 600GB. What you need is a program which can format 64k clusters. However, such a program doesn't exist yet. Or it must be possible to format it under Linux...
Does xboxhdm support 64k clusters? Anyone?
QUOTE
Expect drives to start getting bigger and bigger and the price to drop.
I still would like to know if anyone has done this yet, anyone?
I don't think many people have experimented with drives bigger than 400GB. It's also a bit overkill, in my opinion. Especially if you have a lot of small files. Expect a lot of space to be wasted by slack.
I still would like to know if anyone has done this yet, anyone?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on September 03, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
QUOTE(The Zep Man @ Sep 3 2006, 01:02 PM)
What you need is a program which can format 64k clusters.
Hey, that was my idea! Since the source for XBPartitioner is available, it could probably be modified without much difficulty.
QUOTE(The Zep Man @ Sep 3 2006, 01:02 PM)
Does xboxhdm support 64k clusters?
I don't believe it supports 64 KB clusters, or even 32 KB clusters.
Post by: Movax on September 03, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
I've used xbpartitioner, and it does give you the option to split the drive space evenly across F+G, at least with the 200 to 250 gb drives I've used. It can't split the space of a 750gb drive evenly? If it could, and there are bioses that recognize this, it should work fine..
Post by: chiribomb on September 03, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
The drive is really a 476 gig although it is sold as a 500.
So if I have G@ 345, it would seem that F could also be 375 or close as a 750 will be more like a 725.
Post by: xboxgamer733 on September 04, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
However, if the drive has a partition table stored on its first sector, this partitioning scheme will be used instead of the stock one. This table, which can be created with XBPartitioner, allows non-standard partition sizes to be used. This statement is similar to the information that 'Big Whoopin'' posted.
Post by: chiribomb on September 04, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Dexter Harvey @ Sep 4 2006, 09:30 PM)
So it will work with the x3 and its latest bios.
what about xenuim and the latest bios?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on September 04, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Dexter Harvey @ Sep 4 2006, 02:30 PM)
So it will work with the x3 and its latest bios.
Yes, it does work.QUOTE(chiribomb @ Sep 4 2006, 02:42 PM)
what about xenuim and the latest bios?
Yes, it will work.Post by: chiribomb on September 05, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Dexter Harvey @ Sep 5 2006, 12:00 AM)
I'am going to buy the seagate 750gb harddrive now that i know it will work with the x3 and its latest bois.
let us know how it goes, very interested, 750 is at $320 retail!
but if that is too much check this out 50% of on hardrives at OfficeMax 320gb $59
Post by: chiribomb on September 06, 2006, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: mstandlee on September 06, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: chiribomb on September 07, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Big_Whoopin @ Sep 1 2006, 02:26 AM)
Actually, there is a BIOS like that, two of them so far as I know. The current Team Xecuter X2 and X3 BIOSes both support reading the partition table off the drive instead of having it controlled in the BIOS itself. (I believe there is an option you need to take in X3CL to enable this tho.) Use XB Partitioner to set up the F and G partitions as desired, format with 32k clusters if the partition is larger than the 16k cluster limit, reboot and allow the BIOS to read the partition table off the disk much like how it works on a PC.
There may be other BIOSes that have this same function, I'm not sure. I've just been working with Xecuter chips and BIOSes my entire time modding (except for the brief M8 stint before Xecuter released a 1.6 compatible X2 BIOS) and more or less know those setups inside and out.
Regarding a question on where to select the cluster size in XBPart., I believe you first need to toggle the "action" to format instead of write partition table. Been a month since I did this. The 16k/32k marker does show up in the top right of the screen so if you are having a problem with overscan on your TV you may not be able to see it.
-Whoopin'
what bios number would you suggest be used and are there 1.6 versions?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on September 07, 2006, 09:48:00 PM
From the downloaded archive, just make sure that you use the version for 1.6 consoles.
Post by: chiribomb on September 09, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Sep 8 2006, 04:55 AM)
The 'X2 Config Live 5035' BIOS would work fine for your Xbox. Its default partitioning setting is that the 'F' drive claims all free space.
From the downloaded archive, just make sure that you use the version for 1.6 consoles.
I will check the usual places thanks!
Post by: chiribomb on September 10, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: .:Dino:. on September 11, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: APE on September 11, 2006, 12:37:00 AM
IMO I would think it would make more economically sense across the board to setup a Samba server with a few terabytes in it, this way you aren't limiting your content to a single XBox. A 120gb or even 320gb should suffice for more than a weeks straight worth of video.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Post by: chiribomb on September 14, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: chiribomb on September 14, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Sep 4 2006, 08:09 AM)
When using only the Xbox BIOS, it is not possible to fully use a 750 GB hard drive, as I have said earlier. Formatting the drive with 64 KB clusters, though, would allow such a large drive to be used without corruption.
However, if the drive has a partition table stored on its first sector, this partitioning scheme will be used instead of the stock one. This table, which can be created with XBPartitioner, allows non-standard partition sizes to be used. This statement is similar to the information that 'Big Whoopin'' posted.
Ok I am still confused about bios limitations. Can we agree on the facts and parameters of the undertaking of partioning a hard drive.
Is the X2 or X3 bios LBA32 or LBA48?
Please explain.
Can partions I thru U be created based on LBA48 or LBA32?
Please explain.
if the partion table is stored on the drive what are the possible combinations of partions of F or G or ?
a. 128gb@8k
b. 256gb@16k
c. 512gb@32k
d. other@? please explain.
partion c, e, x, y, z can not be altered in gb and cluster size?
a. True
b. False
please explain.
Are those partion parameters stored on the drive? ie c, e, x, y, z. with the X3 bios.
a. yes
b. no
please explain.
Post by: chiribomb on September 15, 2006, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: Big_Whoopin on September 20, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
x2config.ini is not required, but it is necessary for additional control of the BIOS. It can go on the root of E or F. If you add a custom image I believe it needs to be on E. Check the X2CL forum on Team-Xecuter for more info.
-Whoopin'